Re: Supplements/Family Digest Number 13947

[Guest guest]

Try having to defend supplements to CPS, and Family Court System AND ignorant

co-parent. Sucks. They all think I'm a munchausen mom, AND nuts. Woman in Texas

is getting or had child taken CPS for just supplements. Crazy. It's been a

nightmare. I now am getting my son back. Have had him almost the entire month of

November. Still need to get legal and physical custody back. I'm,grateful when

ANYONE agrees with me regarding vaccines/supplements/chelation. Horrible.

Alison F.

2a. Re: Family freaking out over supplements

Posted by: " iflow97 " iflow97@... iflow97

Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 9:31 am ((PST))

We have been through this. At first my spouse was against biomed.

Eventually, I just started adding things without telling him, and he

would see gains, then I would say, I gave " x " , then he would say ok,

then little by little he came along. Chelation was the hardest sell

along with b12 shots, but the gains were undeniable. My MIL well she

is in her 80's, and we give things by syringe, so it is hard to hide.

Periodically, she still gives me an argument, like this Thanksgiving,

but I just freaked out a bit at her, and said, fine remember how your

grandson used to be, running in circles, should I just stop and go

back to that, will that make you happy? And she backs down. I used

to always explain, explain, and now I just go on the offensive,

because I am fed up, and generally family members either agree, or we

just don't see them anymore. My son's maternal grandfather and his

uncle for example, repudiated him for his autism and even more so for

the biomed. It hurts, but I say, good riddance. But like Dana says,

it has to be about our child's well being first and foremost. You

just have to do what you have to do, and forge on.

Irene

[Guest guest]

---Hi

I am sorry that you are going through this...When you get a chance,

and everything is done, then move....move far away....Do whatever you

have to do to get him back and move...home school after you move..I

will be praying for you..

In , Alison <ajarts@...> wrote:

>

> Try having to defend supplements to CPS, and Family Court System

AND ignorant co-parent. Sucks. They all think I'm a munchausen mom,

AND nuts. Woman in Texas is getting or had child taken CPS for just

supplements. Crazy. It's been a nightmare. I now am getting my son

back. Have had him almost the entire month of November. Still need to

get legal and physical custody back. I'm,grateful when ANYONE agrees

with me regarding vaccines/supplements/chelation. Horrible.

>

>

> Alison F.

>

>

>

> 2a. Re: Family freaking out over supplements

> Posted by: " iflow97 " iflow97@... iflow97

> Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 9:31 am ((PST))

>

> We have been through this. At first my spouse was against biomed.

> Eventually, I just started adding things without telling him, and he

> would see gains, then I would say, I gave " x " , then he would say ok,

> then little by little he came along. Chelation was the hardest sell

> along with b12 shots, but the gains were undeniable. My MIL well

she

> is in her 80's, and we give things by syringe, so it is hard to

hide.

> Periodically, she still gives me an argument, like this

Thanksgiving,

> but I just freaked out a bit at her, and said, fine remember how

your

> grandson used to be, running in circles, should I just stop and go

> back to that, will that make you happy? And she backs down. I used

> to always explain, explain, and now I just go on the offensive,

> because I am fed up, and generally family members either agree, or

we

> just don't see them anymore. My son's maternal grandfather and his

> uncle for example, repudiated him for his autism and even more so

for

> the biomed. It hurts, but I say, good riddance. But like Dana says,

> it has to be about our child's well being first and foremost. You

> just have to do what you have to do, and forge on.

>

> Irene

>

[Guest guest]

Your poor dear. I will be praying for you. It's sad that some people

would rather let a child go without treatment than admit that maybe

modern medicine doesn't have the answer this time.

Things I have learned about protecting my rights to raise my child

more naturally. We were given these tips by our coalition for choice

leader on how to protect yourself from CPS and schools:

-Never tell school about biomed, not the teachers, not the therapists.

-Never tell school about chelation. Anything that deviates away from

the norm can be misinterpreted as medical neglect.

-Teach your children not to answer the door if CPS knocks, or the

cops. Unless you called the police. they should always get an adult to

answer the door. It should be you that speaks with CPS. And know what

you should say and not say first.

-Teach your children what they can and can't tell others, Make sure

they know that we NEVER talk about chelation or supplements with

anyone else but mom. That if anyone asks them, they take a

multivitamin. That's it. If anyone asks them, they do see a doctor

when they are sick and mom does give the medicine the doctor

prescribes. In fact, we were told that if a prescription is written,

fill it, even if you have no intention of using it. Then make sure the

child knows what the medicine looked like and how many times a day

they were supposed to take it. This way, if CPS questioned....it will

appear that there is no medical neglect. Since CPS does not consider

natural antibacterials or natural medicine to be effective.

-Don't mention mercury or heavy metal toxicity to anyone outside your

close nit group of trusted people and even then..I'd step carefully.

Unless you have a medical diagnosis of Lead poisoning or what not from

a regular mainstream physician. Even then, it won't stop someone from

calling CPS and saying your nuts.

-Therapists, doctors, etc...don't need to know everything. Meaning, if

your chelating yourself, then one can assume your doctors are not the

type to accept this idea or they'd be helping you..so don't tell them.

They can misconstrue this for your being delusional practicing

medicine on your child. One would do better to say we are detoxing the

body with herbs or vitamins. Or say nothing at all if it's not

relevant to the reasons your there. If you go there for a

stitches...the ala is not relevant.

-file a religious exemption for vaccination, have a copy on file with

the doctor and school. Anytime hospitalization will be needed and you

know in advance, furnish a copy.

-Don't volunteer information like your child's vaccine status to

anyone who has not asked and cautiously to those who do.

-Never sign those consent forms school sends home that allow the nurse

to contact your doctor and have access to their medical information.

You are giving school the right to your child's medical file. It's

better if you bring the nurse whatever information she needs. School

does not need their medical file, other than as ammunition against you.

-don't include outsiders in giving supplements/chelation like the baby

sitter. You never know who CPS will interview or who will turn on you

one day and make that call.

-We don't explain to outsiders what supplements are given, just that

my kids take a vitamin and eat healthy.

-Spouses will always turn on you in divorce. Once you are

separated..Best to leave them out too. My x would look for any excuse

on the planet for why I was a bad mother. Even though he was the

deadbeat...don't give them fuel. ( I am sure there are some exception

to this situation. Not everyone has a jerk for an x, but experiences

show that the majority of time, people get desperate at the thought of

losing their child to the other spouse and that makes people get ugly.

What you want to do is be able to prove the spouse went along with

treatment before you separated and it's only now that they are

suddenly opposed. This blows their credibility. Ie: they gave

supplements or allowed them to be given for 3 years prior, or they

went to or paid for the naturopath appointments, or DAN doc or whatever.)

-in this case, you may need a DAN or some other doctor on your side to

defend the biomed. Find a coalition in your area that helps defend

parents in this situation. They are very good at this and know what

the court needs to see to give you the child.

Once you get the child back, don't include the x in anything that can

be used against you in court. He/she will only look for more reasons

to take the child back.

Anytime a couple separates, always get to family court ASAP and file

for full custody. You do not want to be the second one filing. Nor do

you want to wait months to file after separation. It looks bad to the

court. File the day after you move out. At least in the case of

unmarried couples. This may be different in married ones.

When it comes down to it: it's you against them. We are the only true

protectors of our children.

> >

> > Try having to defend supplements to CPS, and Family Court System

> AND ignorant co-parent. Sucks. They all think I'm a munchausen mom,

> AND nuts. Woman in Texas is getting or had child taken CPS for just

> supplements. Crazy. It's been a nightmare. I now am getting my son

> back. Have had him almost the entire month of November. Still need to

> get legal and physical custody back. I'm,grateful when ANYONE agrees

> with me regarding vaccines/supplements/chelation. Horrible.

> >

> >

> > Alison F.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2a. Re: Family freaking out over supplements

> > Posted by: " iflow97 " iflow97@ iflow97

> > Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 9:31 am ((PST))

> >

> > We have been through this. At first my spouse was against biomed.

> > Eventually, I just started adding things without telling him, and he

> > would see gains, then I would say, I gave " x " , then he would say ok,

> > then little by little he came along. Chelation was the hardest sell

> > along with b12 shots, but the gains were undeniable. My MIL well

> she

> > is in her 80's, and we give things by syringe, so it is hard to

> hide.

> > Periodically, she still gives me an argument, like this

> Thanksgiving,

> > but I just freaked out a bit at her, and said, fine remember how

> your

> > grandson used to be, running in circles, should I just stop and go

> > back to that, will that make you happy? And she backs down. I used

> > to always explain, explain, and now I just go on the offensive,

> > because I am fed up, and generally family members either agree, or

> we

> > just don't see them anymore. My son's maternal grandfather and his

> > uncle for example, repudiated him for his autism and even more so

> for

> > the biomed. It hurts, but I say, good riddance. But like Dana says,

> > it has to be about our child's well being first and foremost. You

> > just have to do what you have to do, and forge on.

> >

> > Irene

> >

>