Re: Chelation - stuck Now: Andy look at this post if you can

[Guest guest]

He may be more toxic. Usually a problem with ala would reveal more

side effects than this one. But it means something is out of whack,

and it may not be the ala directly causing it, but affecting

something. If you felt he'd do better on less ala, that's an option to

explore. I assume you mean oral dmsa/dmps? Redness around the

eyes...could be yeast as you said. If he is able to tolerate low dose

ala only, as in no problems, behavioral, mental, otherwise..I would

continue with that in order to get the mercury down, probably try a

lower dose.

Check food problems as well for wetting. (since I don't know history

here, not sure if you already went this road and tested and all that,

so I have to mention)

Is any immune support being used? It almost sounds like he did a round

and his " issue " returned with bacteria (also assuming testing was done

to show bacteria is causing wetting).

I wish Andy could look over your post...

My son had to use echinacea, additional c and zinc in the beginning

for chelation. On occasion now he still does. But not all the time.

Just a thought.

the other thing to remember is that he would not need prx the whole

time you chelate. Because issues go away as you chelate. So problems

you had in the beginning are gone before the end. Just some ideas..and

I flagged the subject in case Andy gets on here...

>

> I am considering forgetting chelation. My 5 yr. old nt son has mercury

> deranged transport per DDL and high arsenic. We have tried low dose

> DMSA and DMPS and his skin gets severly blotchy and terrible redness

> around the eyes, probably from yeast. He is able to tolerate low dose

> ALA. We have always used Cutler protocal. He ended up with severe

> wetting problems which took us 18 months to resolve!!!! We stopped

> chelating and focused on treating the bacteria problem. Some of the

> things we tried were high doses of olive leaf extract, oil of oregano,

> cranberry, d- mannose, antibiotics, virastop/prx, and sps. Finally, I

> doubled the PRX to four caps three times a day and the accidents

> stopped. He has not had any problems since last Fall until recently I

> gave him a few rounds of 5mg of ALA. I started adding back in just some

> of the supps he required to resolve the accidents and added back in

> some prx, cranberry and ole but it wasn't enough. He is requiring the

> high doses of PRX and other supporting supps to keep bacteria issues

> under control. I can not keep him on these high doses of PRX for the

> amount of time it may take to get all of the metals out. I feel stuck.

> The only solution I can think of is dropping the amount of ALA to less

> than 5 mgs. Since he can not tolerate much chelator does that mean that

> he is more toxic?

>

[Guest guest]

Arsenic levels were off the chart on his hair analysis approx.

4/2006. We moved shortly after and he is much better, especially

cognitively since giving anti-virals. The kids were really hyper

after we moved and it wasn't just the move. I suspect he is very

toxic. We have pretty much recovered his sister diagnosed with PDD-

NOS. Her viral load was extremely high and she has been easier to

chelate. Our son is a very smart kid and is doing well in all areas

except when we chelate.

Other side effects with ALA would be not listening as well. This is

very noticeable. Previously, yeast would get really bad on rounds

even with O of O, Candex/CDX, Epicor, and probiotics in place. GSE

was too phenolic when we tried it. Since working on his viral load

and addressing yeast and bacteria I haven't seen problems with

phenols.

We eat very healthy. We tend to avoid most GC/CF foods and egg,

peanut and vanilla since those foods were problem foods for our

daughter and limit sugar.

With the recent ALA rounds I haven't noticed the yeast being as bad

as before. Perhaps the work we did over the past two years with anti-

virals helped with this. Yeast and bacteria were in control before

starting the chelation back up. We did a few rounds and the wetting

accidents returned after not having a problem with them since last

Fall.

The DMPS and DMSA that we tried were oral. Emailed reaction pictures

to A and she said bad reaction and to stop. Regarding the

wetting accidents it was suggested that he might have a mycoplasma?

which may or may not show up on a test. He had been having wetting

accidents for along time when we checked for a UTI and it did not

show up. Was told it might not show up since it had been going on so

long. Antibiotics were very effective but it would return as soon as

we went off of them. High dose PRX along with OLE and SPS relieved

the symptoms. Have not consulted recently.

We have focused more biomed on our daughter and the supplement bills

have been a nightmare as you guys know.

> >

> > I am considering forgetting chelation. My 5 yr. old nt son has

mercury

> > deranged transport per DDL and high arsenic. We have tried low

dose

> > DMSA and DMPS and his skin gets severly blotchy and terrible

redness

> > around the eyes, probably from yeast. He is able to tolerate low

dose

> > ALA. We have always used Cutler protocal. He ended up with severe

> > wetting problems which took us 18 months to resolve!!!! We

stopped

> > chelating and focused on treating the bacteria problem. Some of

the

> > things we tried were high doses of olive leaf extract, oil of

oregano,

> > cranberry, d- mannose, antibiotics, virastop/prx, and sps.

Finally, I

> > doubled the PRX to four caps three times a day and the accidents

> > stopped. He has not had any problems since last Fall until

recently I

> > gave him a few rounds of 5mg of ALA. I started adding back in

just some

> > of the supps he required to resolve the accidents and added back

in

> > some prx, cranberry and ole but it wasn't enough. He is requiring

the

> > high doses of PRX and other supporting supps to keep bacteria

issues

> > under control. I can not keep him on these high doses of PRX for

the

> > amount of time it may take to get all of the metals out. I feel

stuck.

> > The only solution I can think of is dropping the amount of ALA to

less

> > than 5 mgs. Since he can not tolerate much chelator does that

mean that

> > he is more toxic?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Try less than 5 mg for a few cycles, see how it goes.

Andy

> > >

> > > I am considering forgetting chelation. My 5 yr. old nt son has

> mercury

> > > deranged transport per DDL and high arsenic. We have tried low

> dose

> > > DMSA and DMPS and his skin gets severly blotchy and terrible

> redness

> > > around the eyes, probably from yeast. He is able to tolerate low

> dose

> > > ALA. We have always used Cutler protocal. He ended up with severe

> > > wetting problems which took us 18 months to resolve!!!! We

> stopped

> > > chelating and focused on treating the bacteria problem. Some of

> the

> > > things we tried were high doses of olive leaf extract, oil of

> oregano,

> > > cranberry, d- mannose, antibiotics, virastop/prx, and sps.

> Finally, I

> > > doubled the PRX to four caps three times a day and the accidents

> > > stopped. He has not had any problems since last Fall until

> recently I

> > > gave him a few rounds of 5mg of ALA. I started adding back in

> just some

> > > of the supps he required to resolve the accidents and added back

> in

> > > some prx, cranberry and ole but it wasn't enough. He is requiring

> the

> > > high doses of PRX and other supporting supps to keep bacteria

> issues

> > > under control. I can not keep him on these high doses of PRX for

> the

> > > amount of time it may take to get all of the metals out. I feel

> stuck.

> > > The only solution I can think of is dropping the amount of ALA to

> less

> > > than 5 mgs. Since he can not tolerate much chelator does that

> mean that

> > > he is more toxic?

> > >

> >

>