Diflucan

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In a message dated 1/8/00 10:01:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, MogdrMom@...

writes:

<< I have taken Diflucan 200mg. once a day for 1 month.Did the diet & had

a die-off. but.you need to keep a check on the liver. also 1 die-off didn't

get rid of all the candida.Fasting, i wouldn't suggest it. I never heard of

Lamisil, i have taken Nysoral (spelling) & Nystatin but am on herbs now. >>

What type of doctor did you see that prescribed the 200 Diflucan per day? Was

it a general practioner or a specialist? Did yuo have much sucess on the

Nyastin? I am seeing my allergy/immnuo guy on the 21st and going to sugeest

he start me on the Nyastin since nothing else seems to be working anymore.

Thanks for the web site info, unfortuantely I have many allergies and have to

be extrememly careful about herbs and supplements right now because the

crohns is flared up pretty bad. I am barely able to tolerate solids right now.

Dawn :-)

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Jami: I myself would go ahead & take it. i have taken it for a month at a

time before i found the herbs. if you do the diet good it will really help

you. i don't know about using the herbs at the same time, how large is the

dose? i was taking 200 mg daily.you can take garlic with it. drink lots of

distilled water. The drug store or your Dr. where you got the prescription

might be able to tell you if you can take the other meds with Diflucan or

not. Mogdrmom

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Hi Nathalie,

Please keep us updated on your experience with Diflucan.

I tried the one-pill Diflucan remedy, and it didn´t work at all, so I´m interested to hear how it goes for you after the two weeks.

Thanks,

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Nathalie.. I have tried many doses of difulcan, but it never really helped. I am interested to see how it goes for you.Good luck

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Hi,

I take Diflucan almost daily. I get no side effects at all,

Connie, MI

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In a message dated 11/1/00 5:33:34 PM Central Standard Time, lynga1@...

writes:

<< Diflucan is an anti-fungal, not an antibiotic, and is given in

a one-time dose sometimes, for women who had vaginal yeast infections. >>

I took this in a 3 time dose for vaginal yeast infection and thrush on my

breasts (I am breastfeeding). It really helped for a few weeks, but the

yeast returned - UGH!

Tracey

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In a message dated 11/01/2000 4:52:15 PM Central Standard Time, Lynga1 writes:

No, actually, Diflucan is an anti-fungal, not an antibiotic, and is given in a one-time dose sometimes, for women who had vaginal yeast infections. Of course, if your primary site of candida is in the gut, a one-time dose won't even touch it. But it is a useful drug in killing systemic candida.... Dr Crook uses it, and so do lots of other yeast docs. It's jsut a higher dose for a longer period of time than the one-time dose for minor vaginal cases.

Lynn

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In a message dated 12/6/00 11:24:31 AM Central Standard Time,

Sstuck@... writes:

<< have any of you heard of this? i have an aqautiance in Ca that is an eye

doc

and has Cfs and told me baout this. wondered hwat you guys knew about it.

I am going to do a search to see what I can find out about it.

" diflucan is an antifungal that can wipe candadiasis out. " >>

I am taking this right now. Do a search at www.healthyawareness.com for more

info or feel free to email me.

Tracey

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In a message dated 12/6/00 12:31:14 PM Central Standard Time,

Sstuck@... writes:

<< Is this an herb or does your doctor perscribe it? >>

This is a prescription anti-fungal. There are many different theories

regarding doseage and duration, however. Supposedly, if you don't take it

long enough, the yeast can mutate and become more resistant. It is really

working great for me and I haven't had any side effects except for some

severe flu-like dieoff for 2-3 days. It is VERY expensive, so you might want

to find out if it is covered by your insurance.

Tracey

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In a message dated 12/6/00 1:40:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Sstuck@... writes:

<< It's strange though the side affects are the same symptoms as the

candidiasis itself? iam confussed.

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:) >>

When yeast dies-off they release thier poisons, including Tartanic Acid which

is toxic. So, it is common for there to be a die-off reaction initially.

Also, I know this is the case with children (I'm not sure about adults) but

it has been recommended to have liver testing done if you are on Diflucan for

more than 10 days. My son is on Nystatin, which is much safer because is

stays inside the intestinal track but does not work with some strains of

bacteria.

Hope this helps. I will write in and introduce myself in a seperate post.

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I found this site

http://www.agenet.com/drugs_general/diflucan.html

went to www.dogpile.com and looked it up There were actually a few sites, i

liked this one. let me know hwat you all think. iam a bit leary with it

being apill, isn't pills what cause this in the first place?

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

Diflucan

> have any of you heard of this? i have an aqautiance in Ca that is an eye

doc

> and has Cfs and told me baout this. wondered hwat you guys knew about it.

> I am going to do a search to see what I can find out about it.

> " diflucan is an antifungal that can wipe candadiasis out. "

>

> I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

>

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my husband takes diflucan. it seems to be doing a fairly good job at getting

ride of the

candida

Stuck wrote:

> have any of you heard of this? i have an aqautiance in Ca that is an eye doc

> and has Cfs and told me baout this. wondered hwat you guys knew about it.

> I am going to do a search to see what I can find out about it.

> " diflucan is an antifungal that can wipe candadiasis out. "

>

> I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

>

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Is this an herb or does your doctor perscribe it?

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

Re: Diflucan

In a message dated 12/6/00 11:24:31 AM Central Standard Time,

Sstuck@... writes:

<< have any of you heard of this? i have an aqautiance in Ca that is an eye

doc

and has Cfs and told me baout this. wondered hwat you guys knew about it.

I am going to do a search to see what I can find out about it.

" diflucan is an antifungal that can wipe candadiasis out. " >>

I am taking this right now. Do a search at www.healthyawareness.com for

more

info or feel free to email me.

Tracey

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It's strange though the side affects are the same symptoms as the

candidiasis itself? iam confussed.

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

Re: Diflucan

my husband takes diflucan. it seems to be doing a fairly good job at

getting ride of the

candida

Stuck wrote:

> have any of you heard of this? i have an aqautiance in Ca that is an eye

doc

> and has Cfs and told me baout this. wondered hwat you guys knew about it.

> I am going to do a search to see what I can find out about it.

> " diflucan is an antifungal that can wipe candadiasis out. "

>

> I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

>

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I would assume that the side effects would be the die off which are the same as

candida

itself

Stuck wrote:

> It's strange though the side affects are the same symptoms as the

> candidiasis itself? iam confussed.

> I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

> Re: Diflucan

>

> my husband takes diflucan. it seems to be doing a fairly good job at

> getting ride of the

> candida

>

>

>

> Stuck wrote:

>

> > have any of you heard of this? i have an aqautiance in Ca that is an eye

> doc

> > and has Cfs and told me baout this. wondered hwat you guys knew about it.

> > I am going to do a search to see what I can find out about it.

> > " diflucan is an antifungal that can wipe candadiasis out. "

> >

> > I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

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Hopefully iam chaning insurence comoanies sow e'll see what hey saya bout

it.

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

Re: Diflucan

In a message dated 12/6/00 12:31:14 PM Central Standard Time,

Sstuck@... writes:

<< Is this an herb or does your doctor perscribe it? >>

This is a prescription anti-fungal. There are many different theories

regarding doseage and duration, however. Supposedly, if you don't take it

long enough, the yeast can mutate and become more resistant. It is really

working great for me and I haven't had any side effects except for some

severe flu-like dieoff for 2-3 days. It is VERY expensive, so you might

want

to find out if it is covered by your insurance.

Tracey

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I would think that would be your best bet. how sre you feeling while taking

it? iam thinking of asking my doctor about it.

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

diflucan

I have taken 100 mg/day of diflucan for a week and I feel pretty good. I

recently read that larger doses are more effective. So my (very

understanding) doctor prescribed one dose of 400 mg, followed by two weeks

of

100 mg/twice a day. How will I know if this is long enough? Should I just

wait to see if symptoms return after I finish the prescription?

Tracey

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Tracey: After the diflucan, along with the diet i would get on some anti

fungal's herbs.Mogdrmom

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In a message dated 12/7/00 10:17:46 PM Central Standard Time,

Sstuck@... writes:

<< how sre you feeling while taking

it? iam thinking of asking my doctor about it. >>

Pretty good. Taking such an expensive prescription is really motivating me

to stick to my diet, too. But it seems that my body is purging a lot of

something (toxins? yeast?) because there is a lot of discharge in my eyes and

ears.

Tracey

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Is that a good thing?

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

Re: diflucan

In a message dated 12/7/00 10:17:46 PM Central Standard Time,

Sstuck@... writes:

<< how sre you feeling while taking

it? iam thinking of asking my doctor about it. >>

Pretty good. Taking such an expensive prescription is really motivating me

to stick to my diet, too. But it seems that my body is purging a lot of

something (toxins? yeast?) because there is a lot of discharge in my eyes

and

ears.

Tracey

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My feeling is if it's in you, it's gotta come out, even if it makes you

temporarily ill in the process. That's the rotten thing about candida: you

have to get sick getting rid of the toxins, too, so it's a double whammy.

But, it's worth it to feel clean inside.

Barb

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>Is that a good thing?

>I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

> Re: diflucan

>

>

>In a message dated 12/7/00 10:17:46 PM Central Standard Time,

>Sstuck@... writes:

>

><< how sre you feeling while taking

> it? iam thinking of asking my doctor about it. >>

>

>Pretty good. Taking such an expensive prescription is really motivating me

>to stick to my diet, too. But it seems that my body is purging a lot of

>something (toxins? yeast?) because there is a lot of discharge in my eyes

>and

>ears.

>

>

> Tracey

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Ann - that to me is just ***?????**** - what did she think???? maybe she

thinks that that will 'put you off' for a while or something.. good

grief.... here's treatment from a good site:

" The following treatment regimen MUST BE FOLLOWED EXACTLY for success.

There are primarily two goals in the treatment of chronic candidiasis

syndrome:

DESTRUCTION OF YEAST PROLIFERATION IN THE BODY

Reduction of the factors providing a favorable environment for the growth of

yeasts.

It is important to note that for the first few weeks of treatment, your

symptoms will become worse as you will face " die off " reactions from the

yeast cells releasing their contents as they are broken down by the

antifungal drugs. This is commonly seen as headache and lethargy.

I have tried to include some proven natural aids. Many people who suffer

from this disorder have learned not to rely on science to help them.

However, I don't know of any cases of well documented successful treatment

without prescription antifungal drugs. Treatment can take several months

before optimal effects begin.

TREATMENT CONSISTS OF:

Prescription antifungal drugs:

Lamisil (Terbinafine HCl), Diflucan (Fluconazole) , Sporanox (Itraconazole),

Nystatin.

Lamisil has just been introduced and offers hope in that it is not just

fungistatic (stops growth of fungi), but also fungicidal (kills fungi).

Lamisil may replace Diflucan as the number one choice. About 30% of Lamisil

is unabsorbed leaving about 75mg of the tablet to pass through the

intestines. Lamisil and Diflucan are extremely safe and effective. A single

dose of 150 mg Diflucan can cure a yeast infection in women. However, its

activity in the intestines may not be as significant. Various yeasts are

resistant to it as well as Sporanox, most notably, Candida krusei. Liver

function problems with Lamisil, like Diflucan, are also rare. Nystatin is

the weakest antifungal and many yeast are resistant to it. Prescription

antifingal drugs are a NECESSARY part in treatment. Natural antifungal

products are far too weak to have any significant effect or else they would

be used in cases of severe mycosis. Minimum inhibition concentration (MIC)

levels from Candida in stool will be helpful to determine susceptibility of

the Candida a patient is carrying to the various antifungal drugs.

Despite past experiences with the older antifungals such as amphotericine

ketoconazole, etc., liver toxicity with Lamisil and Diflucan is extremely

rare and these drugs can be considered safe, which is very exciting to many

physicians who understand this problem. Sporanox is as well, although to a

slightly lesser extent. If concern is raised over possible side effects,

frequent liver function testing, especially in long term usage or in the

case of past liver complications, will be helpful.

ANTIBIOTIC, HORMONE AND ANTACID/ANTI-ULCER MEDICATION AVOIDANCE

Avoid all antibiotics and cortisones (steroids), topical and oral, unless

absolutely necessary. Small amounts of these can have dramatic effects.

Antacids and anti-ulcer drugs have been shown to predispose Candida

proliferation.

This includes topical and oral acne medications containing antibiotics-if

you do have candidiasis, these have the potential of making your condition

worse.

Candida overgrowth is frequently associated with the growth of various other

pathogens that may require antibiotic treatment. Of course, MIC's should be

performed to determine the most effective antibacterial.

Avoid antibacterial deodorants (baking soda works good), soaps, (and hand

soaps) containing antibiotics, usually triclosan. Antibacterial soaps are

mainly the result of paranoia, are unnecessary, and have the potential of

breeding resistant bacteria. In addition, exposure to small amounts of

pathogenic bacteria is helpful in sensitizing the immune system.

If you have an allergic skin reaction, you do not need steroids. Topical or

oral benadryl is best despite what some doctors may tell you. The purpose of

cortisones is to aid in healing and reduction of inflammation. However,

cortisones do not attack the source of the inflammation, histamine.

Bacterial skin infections do not always require the use of oral antibiotics

and you may try topical antibiotics if necessary.

As a note, 80% of throat infections are viral and do not require

antibiotics.

Complex sugar and carbohydrate dietary reduction and protein increase Intake

of dense complex sugars in the diet MUST be eliminated completely! The

reason for sure failure of treatment is the misunderstanding of how

important it is to remove these complex sugars from the diet. It is

important to remember that sugars are sugars, whether from natural sources

or cane sugar. Antifungal drugs will not be successful without removing

sugars from the diet. This includes all sweetened drinks & soda, fruits and

fruit drinks, corn syrups, and other high sugar containing products. Past

publications have emphasized the fact that Candida ferments and rapidly

proliferated in the presence of simple sugars. Not only is this the case,

but research has shown that sugars dramatically increase the ability of

Candida to adhere to epithelial mucosa cells and may be one of the most

important factor in the chronic states of gastrointestinal Candidiasis

(Saltarelli).

Be sure to READ YOUR LABELS!!!!

Complex carbohydrates/polysaccharides (starches) and even disaccharides

(sucrose - table sugar, lactose, sometimes fructose, etc.) can pass far down

the gastrointestinal tract before they are broken down into glucose

molecules and absorbed. Candida has been suggested to reside and proliferate

further down the gastrointestinal tract. Complex sugars and polysaccharides

can therefore be made available to Candida (Chan, common knowledge). High

protein diets and elimination of concentrated sweet sugars will help avoid

this. Monosaccharides such as glucose (especially) and dextrose (an isomer

of glucose) are readily absorbed in the duodenum (at the beginning of the

small intestines) Glucose can even be absorbed in the stomach. Small amounts

of lactose (milk sugar) in fermented sources may actually be helpful - see

below.

On the other hand, it is still unknown whether Candida can dominantly

proliferate in the upper gastrointestinal tract in patients with the Candida

Syndrome. In that case, complex carbohydrate (starch only) consumption would

be favorable since Candida can not dirctly use long chain carbohydrates,

which would pass farther down the gastrointestinal tract. Fungi and yeasts

are generally tolerant to the low pH environment found in and near the

stomach (Tortora).

Increase dietary protein and reduce carbohydrates.

If your doctor lets you try an antifungal drug, I recommend a protein only

diet along with the medication a couple days a week. YES - it is going to be

difficult, but it is the rest of your life at stake!! It is not necessary

nor recommended to eliminate all carbohydrates from the diet. In fact, a

high protein diet can backfire on you in three respects - 1. The break down

of proteins produces ammonia, creating a basic environment favorable to

yeast; 2. Undigested proteins that are absorbed through the consequential

" leaky gut " can put an excess strain on your immune system; and 3.

Carbohydrates are not only necessary for energy, but also provide food for

your normal intestinal flora. Without feeding your normal flora, they will

die allowing further proliferation of candida. A summary of the sugar and

carbohydrate content of various products, as well as helpful guidelines of

what to eat and what to avoid, is available by clicking HERE.

PROBIOTICS

Much contoversy surrounds the role of the normal flora. However, their role

in preventing Candida infection can not be ignored. Since the major

contributing factor to Candida proliferation is the elimination of the

normal flora, it is absolutely necessary for restoration of these colonies.

As intestinal yeast colonies are destroyed by antifungal drugs, it is

important that they be replaced by normal intestinal bacteria to help

prevent recolonization by Candida. You can not use normal flora to cure

intestinal Candida, only to prevent.

As stated above, it is well known that the most common reason women get

vaginal yeast infections and immunosuppressed patients develop systemic

candidiasis is due to the elimination of normal flora (as most women know if

they have ever been on courses of antibiotics). This ecology factor in yeast

infections can not be disputed. These bacteria don't just " crowd out "

intestinal yeast, but they also produce factors such as lactic acid (from

lactose), formic acid, acetic acid, and hydrogen peroxide that help to

provide an environment and pH unfavorable to yeasts. Unfortunately, you can

not use probiotics to eliminate intestinal Candida because the intestines

are subject to colinization only when the walls are lacking a dominant

colonzing species.

The elimination of yeast containing foods was previously suggested when it

was thought that the syndrome was from an allergy to yeasts, as there

appears to be some cross reactivity in the antigenic determinants of food

yeasts and Candida. As stated above, food yeasts do not carry the ability of

pathogenic yeasts to colonize mucous membranes. In fact, consuming large

quantities of yeast containing foods may actually help stimulate Candida

antibody production as they may share similar epitopes. (The epitope is the

part of an antigen in which the antibody recognizes.)

TREATING CANDIDA RELATED INTESTINAL PERMEABILITY PROBLEMS (the leaky gut).

First, you will need to start a rotation diet after you have eliminated

sugars from your diet and have started antifungal medications. This is to

help determine what foods you might be hyper-sensitive to and that have the

potential of creating the most problems as they pass through the inflammed

area of the Candida infected intestines and provoke an immune response.

Second, intradermal allergy (difficult to have done) testing will help you

determine which foods to avoid. Skin prick testing will primarily yield

results from IgE responses and not from IgG antibodies (which results from

intestinal permeability problems).

DGL

(deglycyrrhizinated licorice) DGL is derived from licorice and has been

demonstrated to aid in the production of intestinal mucosa, the primary

defense mechanisms in the GI tract.

Glucosamine and N-acetylglucosamine (NAG)

Numerous studies have shown that glucosamine, a derivitive of chitin from

fungal cells, has the ability to prevent the binding of Candida to

epithelial mucosa cells (Saltarelli). It has also been suggested to directly

aid in restoration of the mucosa. This is available in many nutrition

stores, and may be derived from other sources.

Concanavolin A

This is a lectin (a special type of protein) that has also demonstrated to

reduce the adhesive ability of Candida. It is found in soybean agglutin,

wheat germ agglutin, and jack beans (toxic unless cooked).

Digestive enzyme supplements

will help to 1. aid in more complete digestion, possibly alleviating the

absorption of undigested food particles; and 2. They will aid in absorption

in the upper GI tract so as to prevent undigested food from reaching the

lower bowel where most candida is suggested to reside.

Low residue diet

Because most yeast lives in the lower bowel, a diet limiting the amount of

residue will help limit the growth of Candida.

Avoiding foods which are difficult to digest and may remain unabsorbed.

Digestive enzyme supplements as stated above.

Natural antifungals - undecylenic acid, gentian violet, caprylic acid,

garlic, etc.

These have been determine to have limited antifungal action and are

available in many nutrition stores. However, I will reserve judgement

because some may also have antibiotic action, especially garlic, which can

prove detrimental in chronic intestinal yeast. Undecylenic acid was used as

an antifungal agent before many of the new synthetic drugs were introduced.

Of course, they do not carry anywheres near the potency of prescription

antifungal agents.

Alcohol avoidance.

Whether fiber therapy may help or actually do harm is speculative. One of

the primary defense mechanism of the gastrointestinal tract is intestinal

motility. Problems with intestinal motility can create an environment

favorable for micro-organisms to proliferate.

THE REST OF THIS EXCELLENT ARTICLE CAN BE FOUND AT:

http://www.cfs-recovery.org/docdarren2.html#treatment

sincerely

wendy

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In a message dated 2/12/01 12:07:17 PM Central Standard Time,

ann.williams@... writes:

<< one (ONE!!) diflucan capsule >>

I took one Diflucan and it helped for about a week. Then the yeast came

back even stronger. Then I got a prescription for a week(400 mg on day 1,

200 on the following days). That knocked the yeast out for almost a month.

Then it returned with a vengeance. Then I got a prescription for two weeks

(300 mg/day). It is still sitting in my drawer. Around that time I did a

Great Smokies CDSA w/ yeast culture and I found out that my yeast is

resistant to Diflucan...I wonder how that happened? My advice would be NOT

to take the single Diflucan pill. I know that there is info on the web - try

searching for Jack Newman The Ultimate Breastfeeding Book of Answers (thsi is

what I showed my doctor) - that supports the fact that much candida has

become resistant to Diflucan and that longer duration and higher doses are

now necessary.

Tracey

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http://users.erols.com/cindyrn/20.htm

This is Dr. Newman's site with info about Diflucan.

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In a message dated 2/12/01 12:30:54 PM Central Standard Time,

dwmcphail@... writes:

<< However, I will reserve judgement

because some may also have antibiotic action, especially garlic, which can

prove detrimental in chronic intestinal yeast. >>

Does anyone have more info about this? According to my yeast culture

results, Garlic is one of the few " natural " anti-fungals that I my yeast

showed sensitivity to.

Tracey