VRP doesn't know about DMSA? // Re: ALA - how much must one drink?

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The VRP example of writing on the DMSA label to dose once per day is

sort of like if the manufacturers of 325 mg ASA wrote on the

label " take 6-12 tablets once a day " . We could say that they " don't

know anything " about the product.

It's not that Andy made some huge fantastic discovery. He just went

to the resources of pharmacy, chemistry, pharmacology, that were

already there and applied it to chelation.

I followed the lines of reasoning that Andy used to devise his

protocol. Finding the half life of DMSA isn't much more difficult

than finding the half life of ASA or any other drug. Multiple dose

administration is described in every single pharmacy text, and

chelation logically fits as a case of when it should be applied.

Understanding how chelators behave in the human body does take some

knowledge of chemistry.

Multiple dose administration is absolutely essential when the

effective range of the drug falls fairly close to the toxic range of

the drug (this is one of the things stated in pharmacy texts). In

the case of chelation it is absolutely essential because of the high

toxicity of the METALs that the drug is moving.

The fact that Andy does seem to be the only loud voice in the area of

chelation who applies pharmacology to chelation does seem fairly

fantastic. The fact that some hear what he has to say and continue

to ignore it and dose at anything other than the half life seems

totally amazing to me. When you list all the ones below it really

brings home what a sad state of affairs we have in the field of

chelation.

J

> >

> > Lets put is simply......

> >

> > I know what research Andy's protocol is based on.

>

> Really?

> I'm taking some guesses what you might mean.

> Are you using the word " research " rather loosely here, to mean

> the informal kind of following-of-results-on-this-list sort of

thing?

> Or do you actually know the studies Andy read?

>

>

> > What research are these " other " protocols based on?

>

> If I tell you, you're going to tell me why that research is wrong

> and doesn't count.

>

>

> > Because every doctor I have asked about " other " protocols, shrugs

> their

> > shoulders and says something like " that's just the way I do it " .

> >

> >

> > In other words they've based their protocol on " why don't we try

> > this.... and see what happens..... "

> >

> > If you know of doctors who have gone to greater lengths to

> understand

> > chelation, please let me know who they are.

>

> First off, I didn't say " great lengths " -- the bar was set at

> " knows very little " . was saying something about VRP

> marketing folks knowing " very little " about their product DMSA.

> Starting from there, and broadening this to apply to anyone who

> doesn't think 4-hour-dosing it the best knows " very little " .

> So, the standard here is not doctors who " have gone to great

> lengths " -- it would be doctors who have gone to ANY lengths

> past " very little " . Moderate knowledge is more than " very little " ,

> for example.

>

> Secondly, here are a couple of examples of organizations that

> have " gone to great lenghts " -- perhaps now as great as you'd

> like, but certainly not in the ballpark of shoulder shrugging.

>

> ==================================================================

> http://www.acamnet.org/site/c.ltJWJ4MPIwE/b.2073031/k.ADFD/Faqs.htm

>

> Q. What clinical resources are available to members?

> A. We have clinical resources covering a wide-range of topics

> including: Chelation Therapy, Hormone Replacement Therapy,

Nutrition,

> Immunology, Cancer Prevention, Mesotherapy, Vitamin

Supplementation,

> the National Health Institute sponsored Trial to Assess Chelation

> Therapy (TACT) study, Nutrition, Cardiovascular Health, Practice

> Management and CAIM Legal Issues, Xenobiotic and Heavy Metal

> Detoxification, etc. We also offer information on latest research

and

> legislative policy. In order to meet everyone's needs, these

> resources are available in a variety of mediums, i.e. ACAM's

website,

> educational programs, articles, books, open forums, etc.

>

>

> http://www.autismwebsite.com/aRI/vaccine/mercurydetox.htm

>

> In response to this situation, the Autism Research Institute (ARI)

> convened a Consensus Conference on the Detoxification of Autistic

> Children in Dallas, Texas, February 9th through 11th, 2001. The

> attendees were 25 carefully selected physicians and scientists

> knowledgeable about mercury and mercury detoxification. The 15

> physicians present included 7 who were parents of autistic children

> and who had detoxified their own children with excellent results.

The

> physician attendees present had treated well over 3,000 patients

for

> heavy metal poisoning, about 1,500 of them being autistic children.

> The chemists, toxicologists, and other scientists present had a

> combined total of almost 90 years of experience in studying the

> toxicology of mercury.

>

> ==================================================================

>

> These examples were relatively easy to find. There are lots of

> others out

> there --- people with MANY YEARS of experience and thought -- people

> who are considered experts -- people who have given thoughtful

> consideration to chelation methods for years and years and years.

>

> Now, I've answered your question, and I'm guessing you (and

> others) will want to beat me over the head for doing so.

>

> Stop. Think. I didn't say these people were RIGHT. I didn't

> recommend that anyone USE their methods.

>

> On the other hand, " anyone who knows anything knows xyz " may

> be true in some cases, but it is not a convincing line of

> reasoning (since it doesn't address whatever issues there may be).

> In addition, it gives the impression IN THIS CASE ENTIRELY FALSE

> that there is some sort of general agreement on some standard

> of " basic knowledge " that " anyone " would agree to. This is so

> far from the case that I wouldn't know where to even begin....

>

> Moria

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