Re: Have I Limited My Options?

[Guest guest]

I can't answer the chelation part, but have you read Weston Price research

on curing tooth decay? He had found that the most important thing is to make

sure you're getting enough minerals. Mineral absorption is the key to curing

decay. Magnesium is one of th key minerals (and of course calcium). So make

some bone broth and have her drink it daily. Also important are NATURAL

vitamins A and D for proper absorption of these minerals. Green Pasture has

really good high vitamin cod liver oil with natural A and D. And also

vitamin C. If she's already acidic don't give her ascorbic acid though.

There's also something called X factor in raw dairy, and you can look into

it by going to your local Weston Price Chapter.

More info here:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=399989

You can also try xylitol mints and gums.

I just had a root canal on one of my tooth, and I requested gold as the

filling, but I'm not sure if it's mixed with other metals. I didn't need

posts though. The cap will be porcelain. I'm not too concerned about

chelating with these metals as much since they're not mercury.

Hopefully someone else will chime in!

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:45 PM, rednews5 <rednews@...> wrote:

> My daughter 17 has been having seizures for the past 2.5 yrs. I have

> posted before. Working with suggestions here and elsewhere I have been

> able to naturally reduce my daughters seizures from 6/mo to less than

> 1/mo. I was ready to start chelation this winter while she was on

> holiday break.

>

> Over the past few months I have been getting her the dental care that

> has been neglected over the past two years as I have been sorting out

> her situation. A few cavities. Yet after doing one in the front tooth,

> it stirred up a hornets nest. She had sensitivity and then terrible

> toothache. After waiting over the weekend I took her in for the root

> canal that was suggested. I did do research prior, but I used my best

> intuition and decided to allow this. It is in her two front teeth. She

> actually needed to have two.

>

> Her body is very acidic which I am working on with nutrition and

> supplements, but I presume that this had a lot to do with the

> deterioration of her teeth. She will need caps on these teeth.

>

> My question is... have I finally closed the door on any and all

> chances of chelation using ALA? She is high antimony, tin, and 0

> mercury on her hair test (It was suggested that she is high mercury)

>

> Robin

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you looked at this group? (url below) There is alot of good

information & people who can help answer these type of dental related

questions here:

dental-chelation/

wishing you the best, elizabeth

>

> My daughter 17 has been having seizures for the past 2.5 yrs. I have

> posted before. Working with suggestions here and elsewhere I have been

> able to naturally reduce my daughters seizures from 6/mo to less than

> 1/mo. I was ready to start chelation this winter while she was on

> holiday break.

>

> Over the past few months I have been getting her the dental care that

> has been neglected over the past two years as I have been sorting out

> her situation. A few cavities. Yet after doing one in the front tooth,

> it stirred up a hornets nest. She had sensitivity and then terrible

> toothache. After waiting over the weekend I took her in for the root

> canal that was suggested. I did do research prior, but I used my best

> intuition and decided to allow this. It is in her two front teeth. She

> actually needed to have two.

>

> Her body is very acidic which I am working on with nutrition and

> supplements, but I presume that this had a lot to do with the

> deterioration of her teeth. She will need caps on these teeth.

>

> My question is... have I finally closed the door on any and all

> chances of chelation using ALA? She is high antimony, tin, and 0

> mercury on her hair test (It was suggested that she is high mercury)

>

> Robin

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your very thorough reply.

My daughter has been taking quite a few supplements since her seizures

began 2.5 years ago. She now takes 1000mg of magnesium,(for seizure

control and bowel function), though it was suggested that she was

getting enough calcium through diet. Her intestinal issues are

clearing up, however I have been working on liver burden at the

moment. So some of the supplements have been held back for a bit.

I think I will take up your suggestion on bone broth. Nothing like a

good supply of home made chicken soup.

I am concerned about the front caps. I am holding out on the decision

I make until I learn more options. The dentist is not a believer, yet

he has eliminated amalgams from his practice (due to patient requests).

I was looking for the article where the ADA admitted it was not

healthy, but couldn't find it. Thought I read that two weeks ago. I

wanted to share it with him.

Robin

[Guest guest]

Thank you ,

someone else was kind enough to suggest that group. I had not known

about it. I just joined and hope to learn more.

I am feeling like I have just opened up a can of worms.

Appreciate the fact you took the time though.

Robin

[Guest guest]

I would never ever get a root canal or any silver amalgam fillings. Currently I

am shutting off my phones to afford to take child #5 to a dentist that does not

use amalgam. In the past 20 years I have travelled 6 hours to get to a dentist

that was a safe one, what ever it takes and it is always paid for out of pocket,

and I once had a molar removed without anesthsia rather than a root canal so I

know my dedication to the " cause " .

[Guest guest]

Ok, what's up with a root canal? Would the only reason to do one would be to

save a " peg " for a crown? What would be your option if you choose to have an

entire tooth pulled? A bridge?

I'm all for pulling wisdom teeth or a back molar. But with a tooth

" in-the-middle " what would be the wise choice, safe, less toxic?

I've had one root canal, years ago. It was a breeze. I'm not about to undo

that but there's another day......another tooth!

Thanks

Tammy

[ ] Re: Have I Limited My Options?

I would never ever get a root canal or any silver amalgam fillings. Currently

I am shutting off my phones to afford to take child #5 to a dentist that does

not use amalgam. In the past 20 years I have travelled 6 hours to get to a

dentist that was a safe one, what ever it takes and it is always paid for out of

pocket, and I once had a molar removed without anesthsia rather than a root

canal so I know my dedication to the " cause " .

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you ,

> someone else was kind enough to suggest that group. I had not known

> about it. I just joined and hope to learn more.

> I am feeling like I have just opened up a can of worms.

===totally chuckling, that thought did also cross my mind wishing

you the best, elizabeth

>

> Appreciate the fact you took the time though.

> Robin

>

[Guest guest]

If one were to absolutely not find any other way beside the root

canal, some holistic dentist claim to be able to one that is better

than traditional ones using biocalex and sanitizing the tooth with

laser or light or somehting like that. You'd have to look at how they

do it. It is still a dead thing in the body and this will put stress

on the immune system. so that is a personal choice. Some people seem

to do ok, others not.

The other option is a metal free partial, or a metal free bride.

>

> Ok, what's up with a root canal? Would the only reason to do one

would be to save a " peg " for a crown? What would be your option if

you choose to have an entire tooth pulled? A bridge?

>

> I'm all for pulling wisdom teeth or a back molar. But with a tooth

" in-the-middle " what would be the wise choice, safe, less toxic?

>

> I've had one root canal, years ago. It was a breeze. I'm not about

to undo that but there's another day......another tooth!

>

> Thanks

>

> Tammy

>

> [ ] Re: Have I Limited My Options?

>

>

> I would never ever get a root canal or any silver amalgam

fillings. Currently I am shutting off my phones to afford to take

child #5 to a dentist that does not use amalgam. In the past 20 years

I have travelled 6 hours to get to a dentist that was a safe one, what

ever it takes and it is always paid for out of pocket, and I once had

a molar removed without anesthsia rather than a root canal so I know

my dedication to the " cause " .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Robin, here's the article:

http://www.naturalnews.com/024993.html

Tammy - A root canal might be necessary if a nerve in the tooth gets damaged

or dies and gets infected, and you are in severe pain that you don't want to

live.

Weston A Price did a study/research decades ago that root canals are very

dangerous. I think he lost his own son due to a root canal that he performed

on him (I could be thinking of a different dentist). You can google and find

stories. My take is that this research was from decades ago, and root canal

procedures have changed a lot since then.

The other alternative is often extraction. Since mine was the last molar,

and I would've needed an implant that would've cost thousands, I decided to

keep my tooth. If this one ever gives me a problem again, I'm getting it

yanked out!

If you don't put anything where the back molar used to be, the tooth above

it will shift down, and the other teeth will shift to fill that space. It

might take 20 or so years. And you start losing jaw bone.

If you have teeth on either side, then a bridge is an option, but you need

to drill down the teeth on both sides. So you'd have 2 extra " crowns " . As

you age the gums start to shrink, so you're always going to risk getting

infection at the gumline.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Tammy Kuhn <tkuhn1@...> wrote:

> Ok, what's up with a root canal? Would the only reason to do one would be

> to save a " peg " for a crown? What would be your option if you choose to

> have an entire tooth pulled? A bridge?

>

> I'm all for pulling wisdom teeth or a back molar. But with a tooth

> " in-the-middle " what would be the wise choice, safe, less toxic?

>

> I've had one root canal, years ago. It was a breeze. I'm not about to

> undo that but there's another day......another tooth!

>

> Thanks

>

> Tammy

>

[Guest guest]

I would not say you have limited yourself.

I wonder what the dentist did to make her need two root canals for one

tooth that needed a filling. With that aside...if she has no metal

fillings chelation is still possible. If she has metal fillings, they

would need to be safely removed first.

Acidic...give her magnesium citrate or ascorbic acid (vitamin C) every

day, you can also use baking soda in water...not that it's very

palatable, but any one of these will turn the acidity into alkalinity

quickly. And yes, diet. For us the supplements keep the ph alkaline,

if one of my kids gets sick, we check the ph and find them acidic and

increase these supplements until they test alkaline.

I also agree with Weston Price on the teeth. My daughter was having

some problems with her teeth, suddenly it was like she needed all

these fillings, they kept telling me anyway. Instead of getting them,

I began looking at why her teeth were going soft. It's usually a

deficiency or a thyroid problem. For my daughter it was the both. She

tested very deficient in vitamin D and turned up hypothyroid. While we

were looking into all that, I had her on calcium w/ d and K, and high

vitamin cod liver oil, and high vitamin butter to help remineralize

her teeth. Put my son on all these two and he actually avoided some

fillings, because his teeth calcified. My daughter did not need as

many fillings as originally thought after getting things in order.

None of the things/problems you have described would eliminate

chelation with ala. You do want to address whatever nutritional things

are going on for sure, but chelation can still happen.

Is there a reason you thought that she can't do it now?

I don't see one. She's not allergic to ala, so not problem. You do

have to proceed cautiously with seizures is my understanding and some

of the mom's with seizure kids can help with that, but I see no reason

why you can't continue as planned. As long as no metal fillings are

there or going to be there.

Try to get caps that don't contain nickel. Look for metal free ones is

there is a such a thing, but people chelate even with those.

>

> My daughter 17 has been having seizures for the past 2.5 yrs. I have

> posted before. Working with suggestions here and elsewhere I have been

> able to naturally reduce my daughters seizures from 6/mo to less than

> 1/mo. I was ready to start chelation this winter while she was on

> holiday break.

>

> Over the past few months I have been getting her the dental care that

> has been neglected over the past two years as I have been sorting out

> her situation. A few cavities. Yet after doing one in the front tooth,

> it stirred up a hornets nest. She had sensitivity and then terrible

> toothache. After waiting over the weekend I took her in for the root

> canal that was suggested. I did do research prior, but I used my best

> intuition and decided to allow this. It is in her two front teeth. She

> actually needed to have two.

>

> Her body is very acidic which I am working on with nutrition and

> supplements, but I presume that this had a lot to do with the

> deterioration of her teeth. She will need caps on these teeth.

>

> My question is... have I finally closed the door on any and all

> chances of chelation using ALA? She is high antimony, tin, and 0

> mercury on her hair test (It was suggested that she is high mercury)

>

> Robin

>

[Guest guest]

They have nice metal free partials now..so you don't need to drill

down good teeth for bridges anymore unless you want too.

>

> > Ok, what's up with a root canal? Would the only reason to do one

would be

> > to save a " peg " for a crown? What would be your option if you

choose to

> > have an entire tooth pulled? A bridge?

> >

> > I'm all for pulling wisdom teeth or a back molar. But with a tooth

> > " in-the-middle " what would be the wise choice, safe, less toxic?

> >

> > I've had one root canal, years ago. It was a breeze. I'm not

about to

> > undo that but there's another day......another tooth!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Tammy

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI Robin,

Was this was a mercury-free dentist who did the work? Did they put in posts?

Did they use gutta percha? In the future consider having all dental materials

tested by NAET or bioenergetic testing.

S S

Have I Limited My Options?

Posted by: " rednews5 " rednews@... rednews5

Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:45 am (PST)

My daughter 17 has been having seizures for the past 2.5 yrs. I have

posted before. Working with suggestions here and elsewhere I have been

able to naturally reduce my daughters seizures from 6/mo to less than

1/mo. I was ready to start chelation this winter while she was on

holiday break.

Over the past few months I have been getting her the dental care that

has been neglected over the past two years as I have been sorting out

her situation. A few cavities. Yet after doing one in the front tooth,

it stirred up a hornets nest. She had sensitivity and then terrible

toothache. After waiting over the weekend I took her in for the root

canal that was suggested. I did do research prior, but I used my best

intuition and decided to allow this. It is in her two front teeth. She

actually needed to have two.

Her body is very acidic which I am working on with nutrition and

supplements, but I presume that this had a lot to do with the

deterioration of her teeth. She will need caps on these teeth.

My question is... have I finally closed the door on any and all

chances of chelation using ALA? She is high antimony, tin, and 0

mercury on her hair test (It was suggested that she is high mercury)

Robin

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[Guest guest]

I appreciate your dedication to the " cause " . I am not there yet. I

have recently been hit by medical situations that have had my head

spinning (no pun intended).

I wish you the best.

Robin

>

> I would never ever get a root canal or any silver amalgam fillings.

Currently I am shutting off my phones to afford to take child #5 to a

dentist that does not use amalgam. In the past 20 years I have

travelled 6 hours to get to a dentist that was a safe one, what ever

it takes and it is always paid for out of pocket, and I once had a

molar removed without anesthsia rather than a root canal so I know my

dedication to the " cause " .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was told that this would be different at the surgeons office. The

dentist didn't feel he could do a decent job of it. However, after

waiting for 45 min for the specialist to get off of his cell phone, he

spent 15 min with my daughter. Then rushed out to a lunch date.

I lay in bed all night wondering what actually he did that was

different. I will go back in and question this. The dentist and the

specialist are actually brothers. I can't " prove " that one method was

done over another method though.

It has already been done... of course you sign a waiver that states

sometimes these operations don't correct the problem. I have a root

canal that seems fine. Certainly was far better than the pain I was in.

She is only 17, I can't imagine a bridge, that is why I chose the root

canal.

Robin

> >

> > Ok, what's up with a root canal? Would the only reason to do one

> would be to save a " peg " for a crown? What would be your option if

> you choose to have an entire tooth pulled? A bridge?

> >

> > I'm all for pulling wisdom teeth or a back molar. But with a tooth

> " in-the-middle " what would be the wise choice, safe, less toxic?

> >

> > I've had one root canal, years ago. It was a breeze. I'm not about

> to undo that but there's another day......another tooth!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Tammy

> >

> > [ ] Re: Have I Limited My Options?

> >

> >

> > I would never ever get a root canal or any silver amalgam

> fillings. Currently I am shutting off my phones to afford to take

> child #5 to a dentist that does not use amalgam. In the past 20 years

> I have travelled 6 hours to get to a dentist that was a safe one, what

> ever it takes and it is always paid for out of pocket, and I once had

> a molar removed without anesthsia rather than a root canal so I know

> my dedication to the " cause " .

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much . That is a great help.

You also are so right on the reason I chose the root canal. She was in

terrible pain. I remember a similar pain when I was younger and there

isn't much comparable.

I do think root canals are done many times without problems, though

they cover their backside with the waiver I signed. She is taking

penicillin and after I will give her probiotics to intestinal health.

I am learning something from all of this. I know there are some of you

squirming at the thought of penicillin, but again I decided that I did

not want infection to take hold. Personal choice.

I understand the movement of teeth back in the molar area. This

however is the front teeth. I could not take my girl who is already

feeling awful about herself when she has had seizures in front of her

peers at school, and then yank out her teeth and have a bridge put in.

If it comes to that when she is a young adult, then we will deal with

that then. But for now I took the other route.

He did mention that he wants her gums to heal so that when the caps

are put on, there are no gaps at all.

So now I need to find out if caps can be put on without metal posts.

If there are metal posts can one still chelate?

Thank you for your kind reply.

Robin

>

> > Ok, what's up with a root canal? Would the only reason to do one

would be

> > to save a " peg " for a crown? What would be your option if you

choose to

> > have an entire tooth pulled? A bridge?

> >

> > I'm all for pulling wisdom teeth or a back molar. But with a tooth

> > " in-the-middle " what would be the wise choice, safe, less toxic?

> >

> > I've had one root canal, years ago. It was a breeze. I'm not

about to

> > undo that but there's another day......another tooth!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Tammy

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I did not get into detail in my first post.

I don't feel the dentist did anything wrong. She had an old filling in

a front tooth that had a composite filling in it. It came out for some

reason, and she did not tell me soon enough. We had a few visits to

the dentist to deal with the cavities that had occurred during the

past two years, and when he was taking care of the front tooth, I

guess it effected the nerve. He explained how the tooth is so narrow

in front that it is harder to fill without damage to the nerve.

She has no metal fillings, but are posts with the caps going to be a

problem?

I give a chelated magnesium that is working for her seizures. I

personally take an ionic variety. The magnesium citrate only has about

11% magnesium. We need it as an anticonvulsant. Lemon juice was

suggested to me, and she is using Liver Life. I will add the Vit C to

her supplements.

There is no other reason she can't chelate now. Andy said not until

her seizures were controlled so I asked him what he meant by that, and

he said a two week spread. I have been able to get them four weeks

apart or longer. So if we can chelate even if she has posts with her

caps then I guess I can continue with my schedule.

I appreciate your thoughtful response.

Robin

> >

> > My daughter 17 has been having seizures for the past 2.5 yrs. I have

> > posted before. Working with suggestions here and elsewhere I have been

> > able to naturally reduce my daughters seizures from 6/mo to less than

> > 1/mo. I was ready to start chelation this winter while she was on

> > holiday break.

> >

> > Over the past few months I have been getting her the dental care that

> > has been neglected over the past two years as I have been sorting out

> > her situation. A few cavities. Yet after doing one in the front tooth,

> > it stirred up a hornets nest. She had sensitivity and then terrible

> > toothache. After waiting over the weekend I took her in for the root

> > canal that was suggested. I did do research prior, but I used my best

> > intuition and decided to allow this. It is in her two front teeth. She

> > actually needed to have two.

> >

> > Her body is very acidic which I am working on with nutrition and

> > supplements, but I presume that this had a lot to do with the

> > deterioration of her teeth. She will need caps on these teeth.

> >

> > My question is... have I finally closed the door on any and all

> > chances of chelation using ALA? She is high antimony, tin, and 0

> > mercury on her hair test (It was suggested that she is high mercury)

> >

> > Robin

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The dental thing makes sense. It can be tricky with front teeth,

certainly.

There are some metals in the post/caps but my understanding is that

these are not a huge issue with chelation, only amalgam is and she has

none.

Ideally, one would like to be metal free, but that is not always

possible and you have to weigh your options from there.

As Andy explained at one time, chelation with braces in the mouth

would only be a problem in someone who has a nickel allergy. If there

is no allergy, it would be fine. So the concern is nickel in dental

metals.

So it seems between what he said, you may be good to go.

I am continuing to chelate my girl who has braces now after conferring

with others and reading his old posts on the subject. His only

contraindication was the nickel allergy. My kid doesn't have that.

She's had the braces since August and we have done two to three rounds

a month with dmsa/ala, so far fine. Mine does not have seizures, but

our concern was the metals in the mouth.

If in doubt..ask Andy about it.

> > >

> > > My daughter 17 has been having seizures for the past 2.5 yrs. I have

> > > posted before. Working with suggestions here and elsewhere I

have been

> > > able to naturally reduce my daughters seizures from 6/mo to less

than

> > > 1/mo. I was ready to start chelation this winter while she was on

> > > holiday break.

> > >

> > > Over the past few months I have been getting her the dental care

that

> > > has been neglected over the past two years as I have been

sorting out

> > > her situation. A few cavities. Yet after doing one in the front

tooth,

> > > it stirred up a hornets nest. She had sensitivity and then terrible

> > > toothache. After waiting over the weekend I took her in for the root

> > > canal that was suggested. I did do research prior, but I used my

best

> > > intuition and decided to allow this. It is in her two front

teeth. She

> > > actually needed to have two.

> > >

> > > Her body is very acidic which I am working on with nutrition and

> > > supplements, but I presume that this had a lot to do with the

> > > deterioration of her teeth. She will need caps on these teeth.

> > >

> > > My question is... have I finally closed the door on any and all

> > > chances of chelation using ALA? She is high antimony, tin, and 0

> > > mercury on her hair test (It was suggested that she is high mercury)

> > >

> > > Robin

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> My question is... have I finally closed the door on any and all

> chances of chelation using ALA? She is high antimony, tin, and 0

> mercury on her hair test (It was suggested that she is high mercury)

>

> Robin

>

My understanding is that you aren't supposed to chelate using ALA when

you have a mouth full of metal. I still have a lot of dental work. I

was able to use cilantro for 16 months but at some point that became

too much and began making me ill by pulling metals from my mouth and

dumping them in my system. These days, I use coconut oil and some

other stuff as part of my diet and my experience is that it does pull

metal from the system but at a low enough level for me to tolerate. I

also take guaifenisen daily for my sinus problems. My observation has

been that guaifenisen helps the body move the metals out that have

been stirred up by the supplements I take. Warm salt water baths also

help draw them out. When I get the kind of headache that I know is

caused by my body dumping metals, I take a little extra gauifenisen

and/or a warm salt water bath to get things under control.

So, yes, you probably have limited your options. But that doesn't

necessarily mean you have closed the door completely on helping her

get well.

Peace.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.org

http://www.kidslikemine.org

http://www.solanorail.org

[Guest guest]

guifansin...moving metals? Not a chelator.

Cilantro is not recommend for exactly that reason. It move metals but

it's dosing is unpredictable.

coconut oil does not remove metals.

I'm sorry your having a hard time of getting well. I don't know what

metals you have or how much, but amalgams are a problem.

Sinus problems are often cured with antifungal treatments, you may

want to look at candida while you await dental works. It really helped

to treat the body of yeast when I still had my fillings, even though

it requires constant treatment, it does help one feel better.

> >

> > My question is... have I finally closed the door on any and all

> > chances of chelation using ALA? She is high antimony, tin, and 0

> > mercury on her hair test (It was suggested that she is high mercury)

> >

> > Robin

> >

>

> My understanding is that you aren't supposed to chelate using ALA when

> you have a mouth full of metal. I still have a lot of dental work. I

> was able to use cilantro for 16 months but at some point that became

> too much and began making me ill by pulling metals from my mouth and

> dumping them in my system. These days, I use coconut oil and some

> other stuff as part of my diet and my experience is that it does pull

> metal from the system but at a low enough level for me to tolerate. I

> also take guaifenisen daily for my sinus problems. My observation has

> been that guaifenisen helps the body move the metals out that have

> been stirred up by the supplements I take. Warm salt water baths also

> help draw them out. When I get the kind of headache that I know is

> caused by my body dumping metals, I take a little extra gauifenisen

> and/or a warm salt water bath to get things under control.

>

> So, yes, you probably have limited your options. But that doesn't

> necessarily mean you have closed the door completely on helping her

> get well.

>

> Peace.

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.org

> http://www.kidslikemine.org

> http://www.solanorail.org

>

[Guest guest]

>

> guifansin...moving metals? Not a chelator.

> Cilantro is not recommend for exactly that reason. It move metals but

> it's dosing is unpredictable.

> coconut oil does not remove metals.

> I'm sorry your having a hard time of getting well. I don't know what

> metals you have or how much, but amalgams are a problem.

> Sinus problems are often cured with antifungal treatments, you may

> want to look at candida while you await dental works. It really helped

> to treat the body of yeast when I still had my fillings, even though

> it requires constant treatment, it does help one feel better.

>

>

My sinus problems are caused by cystic fibrosis, a life-threatening

genetic disorder. My 21 year old son has the same diagnosis. I

haven't been on antibiotics in 5 years and he hasn't been on

antibiotics in over 10 years. We have both gotten off the digestive

enzymes we are supposed to require for life. He hasn't taken any

medication whatsoever in about 2 years. I have gotten off about 8

prescription drugs and the hole in my left lung has closed. Most

people with CF take up to $4000.00/mo worth of maintenance drugs. I

currently take half a pill of OTC guaifenisen most days, sometimes a

little more and sometimes a little less. Overall, my approach to

treating the medical problems in my family has been wildly successful.

I am well aware that cilantro is not recommended on this board. Andy

only recommends it when all other better known chelators have failed

to work. But there are people who use it successfully. I certainly

benefited from it.

I know guaifenisen is not a chelator. I also know it helps some

people who have fibromyalgia because it helps pull something out of

their bodies. I don't think anyone really knows what it pulls out that

helps with fibro. My observation has been that when other things

mobilize metals, gauifenisen helps make sure it comes out and doesn't

resettle in other tissues. This was my observation when I used

cilantro. It stood me in good stead when cilantro became a problem

for me and began making me ill.

Coconut oil is generally scoffed at on this forum as a chelator. I am

not saying it is a chelator. I do know other people who have used it

(or coconut cream, made fresh) to remove metals. I haven't used ALA

or any of the other typical chelators used by people on this forum.

So I can't compare directly. But, based on my experiences and on

discussions I've had with people who have used both, my best

understanding is that it does move metals, but at a much lower level

than a chelator would.

I have yeast under control, even though most people with CF do not.

On the other hand, most people with CF take lots of antibiotics and I

no longer do that.

My only points are that a) yes, getting a root canal limits one's

options and that doesn't mean the door is slammed shut entirely.

ALA may not be an option with a root canal but there are still

options. They are harder to find and there is less solid info

available on them. And they tend to be more controversial, which also

makes it harder to get good info because many people will shout you

down and try to warn you off doing them at all rather than try to

share information about those options so as to make them more

effective and safer.

Peace.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.org

http://www.kidslikemine.org

http://www.solanorail.org

[Guest guest]

My sinus problems are specifically from lactose intolerance and the

compounding of food allergies. , Have you read, " The

Autoimmune Epidemic " ? Multiple chemical sensitivities and allergies

can turn your immune system against your body's cells and the heart

and lungs are impacted. It would be a good book for you to look at.

> >

> > guifansin...moving metals? Not a chelator.

> > Cilantro is not recommend for exactly that reason. It move metals

but

> > it's dosing is unpredictable.

> > coconut oil does not remove metals.

> > I'm sorry your having a hard time of getting well. I don't know

what

> > metals you have or how much, but amalgams are a problem.

> > Sinus problems are often cured with antifungal treatments, you may

> > want to look at candida while you await dental works. It really

helped

> > to treat the body of yeast when I still had my fillings, even

though

> > it requires constant treatment, it does help one feel better.

> >

> >

>

> My sinus problems are caused by cystic fibrosis, a life-threatening

> genetic disorder. My 21 year old son has the same diagnosis. I

> haven't been on antibiotics in 5 years and he hasn't been on

> antibiotics in over 10 years. We have both gotten off the digestive

> enzymes we are supposed to require for life. He hasn't taken any

> medication whatsoever in about 2 years. I have gotten off about 8

> prescription drugs and the hole in my left lung has closed. Most

> people with CF take up to $4000.00/mo worth of maintenance drugs. I

> currently take half a pill of OTC guaifenisen most days, sometimes a

> little more and sometimes a little less. Overall, my approach to

> treating the medical problems in my family has been wildly

successful.

>

> I am well aware that cilantro is not recommended on this board.

Andy

> only recommends it when all other better known chelators have failed

> to work. But there are people who use it successfully. I certainly

> benefited from it.

>

> I know guaifenisen is not a chelator. I also know it helps some

> people who have fibromyalgia because it helps pull something out of

> their bodies. I don't think anyone really knows what it pulls out

that

> helps with fibro. My observation has been that when other things

> mobilize metals, gauifenisen helps make sure it comes out and

doesn't

> resettle in other tissues. This was my observation when I used

> cilantro. It stood me in good stead when cilantro became a problem

> for me and began making me ill.

>

> Coconut oil is generally scoffed at on this forum as a chelator. I

am

> not saying it is a chelator. I do know other people who have used

it

> (or coconut cream, made fresh) to remove metals. I haven't used ALA

> or any of the other typical chelators used by people on this forum.

> So I can't compare directly. But, based on my experiences and on

> discussions I've had with people who have used both, my best

> understanding is that it does move metals, but at a much lower level

> than a chelator would.

>

> I have yeast under control, even though most people with CF do not.

> On the other hand, most people with CF take lots of antibiotics and

I

> no longer do that.

>

> My only points are that a) yes, getting a root canal limits one's

> options and that doesn't mean the door is slammed shut entirely.

> ALA may not be an option with a root canal but there are still

> options. They are harder to find and there is less solid info

> available on them. And they tend to be more controversial, which

also

> makes it harder to get good info because many people will shout you

> down and try to warn you off doing them at all rather than try to

> share information about those options so as to make them more

> effective and safer.

>

> Peace.

>

>

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.org

> http://www.kidslikemine.org

> http://www.solanorail.org

>

[Guest guest]

>

> My sinus problems are specifically from lactose intolerance and the

> compounding of food allergies. , Have you read, " The

> Autoimmune Epidemic " ? Multiple chemical sensitivities and allergies

> can turn your immune system against your body's cells and the heart

> and lungs are impacted. It would be a good book for you to look at.

>

>

No, I haven't read it. And I am not likely to read it unless you know

of an online version of it. I currently have no books or magazines in

my home.

Thanks.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.org

http://www.kidslikemine.org

http://www.solanorail.org