Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Might be good to try NCD and take a look at Brainchild's natural detox program. Give it a try. Many do good on it! Tammy [ ] Chelation - stuck I am considering forgetting chelation. My 5 yr. old nt son has mercury deranged transport per DDL and high arsenic. We have tried low dose DMSA and DMPS and his skin gets severly blotchy and terrible redness around the eyes, probably from yeast. He is able to tolerate low dose ALA. We have always used Cutler protocal. He ended up with severe wetting problems which took us 18 months to resolve!!!! We stopped chelating and focused on treating the bacteria problem. Some of the things we tried were high doses of olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, cranberry, d- mannose, antibiotics, virastop/prx, and sps. Finally, I doubled the PRX to four caps three times a day and the accidents stopped. He has not had any problems since last Fall until recently I gave him a few rounds of 5mg of ALA. I started adding back in just some of the supps he required to resolve the accidents and added back in some prx, cranberry and ole but it wasn't enough. He is requiring the high doses of PRX and other supporting supps to keep bacteria issues under control. I can not keep him on these high doses of PRX for the amount of time it may take to get all of the metals out. I feel stuck. The only solution I can think of is dropping the amount of ALA to less than 5 mgs. Since he can not tolerate much chelator does that mean that he is more toxic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 ----- Original Message ----- Might be good to try NCD ====>Not a chelator but has helped some kids with gut problems. and take a look at Brainchild's natural detox program ===>I would check out anything through Brainchild. Their detox program does also not chelate. He is requiring the high doses of PRX and other supporting supps to keep bacteria issues under control. I can not keep him on these high doses of PRX for the amount of time it may take to get all of the metals out. I feel stuck. ====>It should get better and require lesser amounts of the PRX, I know they're expensive. The only solution I can think of is dropping the amount of ALA to less than 5 mgs. Since he can not tolerate much chelator does that mean that he is more toxic? ===>I don't know but for whatever reason chelation seems to stir up the bacteria. Have you done a CDSA or any kind of stool test to see what you are dealing with? We've never dealt with bacteria, maybe those who have will chime in and help. Have you tried GSE, it can be good for bacteria. Dmsa did for us cause a fair number of gut problems and although the usefulness of GSE would fade we periodically would shock the gut with 4 or so tablets of GSE, worked well. Or emulsified or Wild Oil of Oregano? Both of these are very effective against both bacteria and/or yeast. I have also heard people talk about Advanced Biocidin, that might be helpful. Also, although NCD is not a chelator it has been helpful for some, as I said who have had gut issues. Sorry you're having such trouble, you'll have to find something to control the bacteria, but I'd say it's a good idea to drop the dose of Ala back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 NCD is the first thing we tried before the DMPS and then DMSA. He did ok for the first while and than started having blue lips shortly after giving it and his eyes were blood shot. He may have developed a rash as well, I can't remember, and my gut wishes I would not have used this product. > > Might be good to try NCD and take a look at Brainchild's natural detox > program. Give it a try. Many do good on it! > > > > Tammy > > > > > > [ ] Chelation - stuck > > > > I am considering forgetting chelation. My 5 yr. old nt son has mercury > deranged transport per DDL and high arsenic. We have tried low dose > DMSA and DMPS and his skin gets severly blotchy and terrible redness > around the eyes, probably from yeast. He is able to tolerate low dose > ALA. We have always used Cutler protocal. He ended up with severe > wetting problems which took us 18 months to resolve!!!! We stopped > chelating and focused on treating the bacteria problem. Some of the > things we tried were high doses of olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, > cranberry, d- mannose, antibiotics, virastop/prx, and sps. Finally, I > doubled the PRX to four caps three times a day and the accidents > stopped. He has not had any problems since last Fall until recently I > gave him a few rounds of 5mg of ALA. I started adding back in just some > of the supps he required to resolve the accidents and added back in > some prx, cranberry and ole but it wasn't enough. He is requiring the > high doses of PRX and other supporting supps to keep bacteria issues > under control. I can not keep him on these high doses of PRX for the > amount of time it may take to get all of the metals out. I feel stuck. > The only solution I can think of is dropping the amount of ALA to less > than 5 mgs. Since he can not tolerate much chelator does that mean that > he is more toxic? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 What do you think of BioRay's Protocal? > > > > ===>I don't know but for whatever reason chelation seems to stir up the bacteria. Have you done a CDSA or any kind of stool test to see what you are dealing with? Stools appear fine. > > We've never dealt with bacteria, maybe those who have will chime in and help. Have you tried GSE, it can be good for bacteria. Dmsa did for us cause a fair number of gut problems and although the usefulness of GSE would fade we periodically would shock the gut with 4 or so tablets of GSE, worked well. Or emulsified or Wild Oil of Oregano? Both of these are very effective against both bacteria and/or yeast. I have also heard people talk about Advanced Biocidin, that might be helpful. GSE required no phenol when we used it. We use oil of oregano. We have used up to 8mg of Biotin per day. It may have helped some but yeast hasn't been an issue until we recently tried chelating again. Thanks, Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 [ ] Re: Chelation - stuck What do you think of BioRay's Protocal? ===>Can you post a link so that we avoid me googling it and getting something else? We use oil of oregano. ===>We tried regular OoO which did nothing. But we used the Wild Oil of Oregano and it was very good but costly. There is another product, Biotics Research emusified Oil of Oregano, timed released and is supposed to adhere to the gut due to the emulsion. Less expensive than the wild, Oil of Oregano and very effective, here. A tablet though that has to be swallowed whole. There's also a product found in health food stores, less pricey called OregaMax, which I'm also told is effective. Another product that I have someone else told me about was Pure Prescriptins Pro-Ent-2. An adult I know used this and she said by the time the bottle was gone so was her gut and yeast issues. This contains lypholized OoO and cloves and grapeseed extract. We have used up to 8mg of Biotin per day. ===>You're right this isn't going to touch bacteria. It may have helped some but yeast hasn't been an issue until we recently tried chelating again. Thanks, Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 [ ] Chelation - stuck > > > > I am considering forgetting chelation. My 5 yr. old nt son has mercury > deranged transport per DDL and high arsenic. We have tried low dose > DMSA and DMPS and his skin gets severly blotchy and terrible redness > around the eyes, probably from yeast. He is able to tolerate low dose > ALA. We have always used Cutler protocal. He ended up with severe > wetting problems which took us 18 months to resolve!!!! We stopped > chelating and focused on treating the bacteria problem. Some of the > things we tried were high doses of olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, > cranberry, d- mannose, antibiotics, virastop/prx, and sps. Finally, I > doubled the PRX to four caps three times a day and the accidents > stopped. He has not had any problems since last Fall until recently I > gave him a few rounds of 5mg of ALA. I started adding back in just some > of the supps he required to resolve the accidents and added back in > some prx, cranberry and ole but it wasn't enough. He is requiring the > high doses of PRX and other supporting supps to keep bacteria issues > under control. I can not keep him on these high doses of PRX for the > amount of time it may take to get all of the metals out. I feel stuck. > The only solution I can think of is dropping the amount of ALA to less > than 5 mgs. Since he can not tolerate much chelator does that mean that > he is more toxic? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 > > > > Might be good to try NCD and take a look at Brainchild's natural > detox > > program. Give it a try. Many do good on it! > > > > > > > > Tammy > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] Chelation - stuck > > > > > > > > I am considering forgetting chelation. My 5 yr. old nt son has > mercury > > deranged transport per DDL and high arsenic. We have tried low dose > > DMSA and DMPS and his skin gets severly blotchy and terrible > redness > > around the eyes, probably from yeast. He is able to tolerate low > dose > > ALA. We have always used Cutler protocal. He ended up with severe > > wetting problems which took us 18 months to resolve!!!! We stopped > > chelating and focused on treating the bacteria problem. Some of the > > things we tried were high doses of olive leaf extract, oil of > oregano, > > cranberry, d- mannose, antibiotics, virastop/prx, and sps. Finally, > I > > doubled the PRX to four caps three times a day and the accidents > > stopped. He has not had any problems since last Fall until recently > I > > gave him a few rounds of 5mg of ALA. I started adding back in just > some > > of the supps he required to resolve the accidents and added back in > > some prx, cranberry and ole but it wasn't enough. He is requiring > the > > high doses of PRX and other supporting supps to keep bacteria > issues > > under control. I can not keep him on these high doses of PRX for > the > > amount of time it may take to get all of the metals out. I feel > stuck. > > The only solution I can think of is dropping the amount of ALA to > less > > than 5 mgs. Since he can not tolerate much chelator does that mean > that > > he is more toxic? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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