Re:Andy, what's your opinion on chelating while exposure is still there

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I know that my son did not take in 1000x what he chelated out, otherwise my

son's total load of toxins would not have decreased during chelation in 8 months

enough to cure his chemical sensitivity. We have spent the past 20 years getting

a " safe house " relatively free of toxins prior to chelating. We used all non

toxic cleaners and no chemicals or pesticides in our home, we tranformed our

lifestyle years ago. This rexposure factor could explain why some people don't

get better on chelation. If we were to have chelated while living in the home

we lived in 20 years ago, with our very toxic lifestyle, who knows what the

results would been? To give you an idea of the dollars and cents of the

difference in payment between the home that probably gave our son high lead and

where we are now, we had to increase our house payment from lead and mold

infested dump for $300 a month 20 years ago for three of us to $1,050 for a non

toxic place for the 8 of us. Then we had to go and get stupid and raise our

payment by $550 putting in extra bedrooms. In Kansas, we could find a non toxic

place to live eight years ago for $950 and up a month, any less money and you

would be living in a place with problems. This might be less in todays economy

where there are so many empty forclosed homes. If you live in California, I

think you can triple what we pay in Kansas for a non toxic place to live. You

could even lessen the cost though, by lessening the square footage by finding a

non toxic place to live and do the family bed and share one bedroom. Even lining

up lots of beds in living rooms and bedroom would work. There are non toxic

rentals and homes everywhere but you have to look at 100 places to find 1. It

takes months of looking and you have to get smart about EVERYTHING when it comes

to really looking at everything in the home from the roof to the foundation to

the plumbing to the flooring to the location to what industry is around or being

planned in the next 20 years around the property. Of course, new is better,

preferably less than 5-10 years old. Looking back, yes we could have afforded

more than $300 rent for the lead and mold infested dump if my husband had not

had his $300 new truck payment......we could and did twenty years ago double our

available housing money and we did get rid of the truck. We also increased our

available housing money by going in together with my mom and ten year old sister

after my father died. This doubled our available housing money again by adding

another household together. You can get a bigger and less toxic home if you

find a way of increasing your housing budget any way you can. We also greatly

increased income, what a motivation to get a better well paying job than to have

a sick child! Then, you have the people who are actually paying a lot of money

to live in a home with toxic mold (Ed McMan was one of those, I think he has

passed away but he was living in a multi million dollar toxic home that would

not sell either). We will very soon be paying really big bucks to live near a

new industrial area less than a mile from our home...so yeah.....you definately

can end up paying a lot to live in a toxic place too. If I am living in a toxic

place, even if I have a mortgage that won't sell, I have this decision to make

to stay or take my housing money elsewhere. Every year is critical in a child's

development and you can't get those years back. Every year sick is a year of

lost development. Can you imagine all the effort of chelating toxins and heavy

metals out just to have some industrial area come in a mile away from your home

to potentially put those toxic heavy elements right back in? That is a tough

decision to be faced with and make but our family has had to make the decsion if

it was better to move or stay living and remaining in a toxic environment and it

looks like we will be making this decision again! It is one of the most

important life decisions you will ever make, choosing where to live....in the

first place. We tried to remediate the home, the 30,000 mold infested home. We

tried to remediate it with $40,000 in improvements, new roof, new plumbing, new

windows, I beams to keep the basement foundation from falling in, improving the

grade around the home...gutting the basement of moldy materials....That home was

so toxic that it took 8 years to air out. I went back years later and the house

is doing better and no longer smelled like mold after our extensive remediation.

It is just that, I think it took years for the mold spores to air out of that

home. Who knows if the lead ever was removed. It still has it's asphestos

siding on it...what a toxic place!!!!!

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Do you have any advice on how one checks a house out to be sure

there's no mold and other toxic substances hiding under the drywall,

floors, etc? Did you hire someone to inspect the houses you looked

at when you were buying or did you somehow do this yourself? Any

advice would be much appreciated. Thanks,

Susie

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> I know that my son did not take in 1000x what he chelated out,

otherwise my son's total load of toxins would not have decreased

during chelation in 8 months enough to cure his chemical sensitivity.

We have spent the past 20 years getting a " safe house " relatively

free of toxins prior to chelating. We used all non toxic cleaners

and no chemicals or pesticides in our home, we tranformed our

lifestyle years ago. This rexposure factor could explain why some

people don't get better on chelation. If we were to have chelated

while living in the home we lived in 20 years ago, with our very

toxic lifestyle, who knows what the results would been? To give you

an idea of the dollars and cents of the difference in payment between

the home that probably gave our son high lead and where we are now,

we had to increase our house payment from lead and mold infested dump

for $300 a month 20 years ago for three of us to $1,050 for a non

toxic place for the 8 of us. Then we had to go and get stupid and

raise our payment by $550 putting in extra bedrooms. In Kansas, we

could find a non toxic place to live eight years ago for $950 and up

a month, any less money and you would be living in a place with

problems. This might be less in todays economy where there are so

many empty forclosed homes. If you live in California, I think you

can triple what we pay in Kansas for a non toxic place to live. You

could even lessen the cost though, by lessening the square footage by

finding a non toxic place to live and do the family bed and share one

bedroom. Even lining up lots of beds in living rooms and bedroom

would work. There are non toxic rentals and homes everywhere but

you have to look at 100 places to find 1. It takes months of looking

and you have to get smart about EVERYTHING when it comes to really

looking at everything in the home from the roof to the foundation to

the plumbing to the flooring to the location to what industry is

around or being planned in the next 20 years around the property. Of

course, new is better, preferably less than 5-10 years old. Looking

back, yes we could have afforded more than $300 rent for the lead and

mold infested dump if my husband had not had his $300 new truck

payment......we could and did twenty years ago double our available

housing money and we did get rid of the truck. We also increased our

available housing money by going in together with my mom and ten year

old sister after my father died. This doubled our available housing

money again by adding another household together. You can get a

bigger and less toxic home if you find a way of increasing your

housing budget any way you can. We also greatly increased income,

what a motivation to get a better well paying job than to have a sick

child! Then, you have the people who are actually paying a lot of

money to live in a home with toxic mold (Ed McMan was one of those, I

think he has passed away but he was living in a multi million dollar

toxic home that would not sell either). We will very soon be paying

really big bucks to live near a new industrial area less than a mile

from our home...so yeah.....you definately can end up paying a lot to

live in a toxic place too. If I am living in a toxic place, even if I

have a mortgage that won't sell, I have this decision to make to stay

or take my housing money elsewhere. Every year is critical in a

child's development and you can't get those years back. Every year

sick is a year of lost development. Can you imagine all the effort of

chelating toxins and heavy metals out just to have some industrial

area come in a mile away from your home to potentially put those

toxic heavy elements right back in? That is a tough decision to be

faced with and make but our family has had to make the decsion if it

was better to move or stay living and remaining in a toxic

environment and it looks like we will be making this decision again!

It is one of the most important life decisions you will ever make,

choosing where to live....in the first place. We tried to remediate

the home, the 30,000 mold infested home. We tried to remediate it

with $40,000 in improvements, new roof, new plumbing, new windows, I

beams to keep the basement foundation from falling in, improving the

grade around the home...gutting the basement of moldy

materials....That home was so toxic that it took 8 years to air out.

I went back years later and the house is doing better and no longer

smelled like mold after our extensive remediation. It is just that,

I think it took years for the mold spores to air out of that home.

Who knows if the lead ever was removed. It still has it's asphestos

siding on it...what a toxic place!!!!!

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[Guest guest]

There are petri dishes that you can get that you leave out for a certain amount

of time around the home, then send them in to test for mold. It has been years

since I used them, so I don't recall the company. We can pretty much tell by

looking in the home for water sources. Even a non toxic home will become toxic

with mold if it is not maintained properly. You can see signs of past water

damage sometimes. This is what we look for. I remember one realtor telling me a

home we looked at had a dry basement when you could see the visible line where

sitting water had left a mark on wooden studs in the basement. If you suspect

mold behind walls the only way I know of is to take a section of wall out and

check, if there is mold then it all needs to be gutted. We have used ozone

machines for killing mold spores after gutting.