Need help with test results - Andy, please

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Hi, this is on behalf of a friend of mine. She tested her 9yo son and

we would need help on interpreting his results.

His test is loaded in files section -> Hair tests -> hair

elements_Stas.PDF ( http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/oNVPSZjYMpON-

Y8oh1O4mJQSYokqzRsNh0bNvOQphNU0QkocRKeDwtgzFbkqWNAClz9bG5RXBRJCiPzQoJD

O9PxLSDys48RUKw/HairTests/hair%20elements_Stas.PDF )

I tried to apply counting rules and the test is definitely meeting at

least two of them. So his mineral transport is really bad. I presume

we can't judge about metal levels by this test, only that he is

heavily poisoned. He has high sodium and potassium together with low

calcium and magnesium indicating adrenal problems. Any more inputs,

please?

Now the other question. She did challenge test on 26.06.08 with DMPS

suppositories. His 24 hours urine toxic metals test showed 2.0 mcg/mg

creatinine (ref.range <5) while the same test before challenge showed

nothing. They did not do any more challenges or chelation after that.

But three months later his urine test (15.10.08) still showed exactly

the same mercury level (2.0 mcg/mg) and his blood test (23.09.08)

showed mercury as well.

We are completely baffled with these results. Is it possible that

mercury would stay in blood for so long after the challenge test? Why

does his urine test still show mercury? She got checked her house,

water supply and the school – no mercury sources. No amalgam

fillings. No fish. And remember, he showed no mercury before

challenge test. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Galina

[Guest guest]

Not Andy here but will respond anyway. Challenge tests are dangerous (because of

the high single dose) and not particulary useful. Please, please ask that she

not do any more. Did he get the flu shot? Most versions of it still contain

mercury.

S S

Need help with test results - Andy, please

Posted by: " nikitasmom33 " nikitasmom33@... nikitasmom33

Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:52 am (PST)

Hi, this is on behalf of a friend of mine. She tested her 9yo son and

we would need help on interpreting his results.

His test is loaded in files section -> Hair tests -> hair

elements_Stas.PDF ( http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/oNVPSZjYMpON-

Y8oh1O4mJQSYokqzRsNh0bNvOQphNU0QkocRKeDwtgzFbkqWNAClz9bG5RXBRJCiPzQoJD

O9PxLSDys48RUKw/HairTests/hair%20elements_Stas.PDF )

I tried to apply counting rules and the test is definitely meeting at

least two of them. So his mineral transport is really bad. I presume

we can't judge about metal levels by this test, only that he is

heavily poisoned. He has high sodium and potassium together with low

calcium and magnesium indicating adrenal problems. Any more inputs,

please?

Now the other question. She did challenge test on 26.06.08 with DMPS

suppositories. His 24 hours urine toxic metals test showed 2.0 mcg/mg

creatinine (ref.range <5) while the same test before challenge showed

nothing. They did not do any more challenges or chelation after that.

But three months later his urine test (15.10.08) still showed exactly

the same mercury level (2.0 mcg/mg) and his blood test (23.09.08)

showed mercury as well.

We are completely baffled with these results. Is it possible that

mercury would stay in blood for so long after the challenge test? Why

does his urine test still show mercury? She got checked her house,

water supply and the school – no mercury sources. No amalgam

fillings. No fish. And remember, he showed no mercury before

challenge test. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Galina

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>

>

> Not Andy here but will respond anyway. Challenge tests are

dangerous (because of the high single dose) and not particulary

useful.

> S S

Well, she knows it now. So the problem now is about interpreting the

tests. But it seems eveyone has gone dor Christmas holiday

>

> Need help with test results - Andy, please

> Posted by: " nikitasmom33 " nikitasmom33@... nikitasmom33

> Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:52 am (PST)

> Hi, this is on behalf of a friend of mine. She tested her 9yo son

and

> we would need help on interpreting his results.

> His test is loaded in files section -> Hair tests -> hair

> elements_Stas.PDF ( http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/oNVPSZjYMpON-

>

Y8oh1O4mJQSYokqzRsNh0bNvOQphNU0QkocRKeDwtgzFbkqWNAClz9bG5RXBRJCiPzQoJD

> O9PxLSDys48RUKw/HairTests/hair%20elements_Stas.PDF )

>

> I tried to apply counting rules and the test is definitely meeting

at

> least two of them. So his mineral transport is really bad. I

presume

> we can't judge about metal levels by this test, only that he is

> heavily poisoned. He has high sodium and potassium together with

low

> calcium and magnesium indicating adrenal problems. Any more inputs,

> please?

> Now the other question. She did challenge test on 26.06.08 with

DMPS

> suppositories. His 24 hours urine toxic metals test showed 2.0

mcg/mg

> creatinine (ref.range <5) while the same test before challenge

showed

> nothing. They did not do any more challenges or chelation after

that.

> But three months later his urine test (15.10.08) still showed

exactly

> the same mercury level (2.0 mcg/mg) and his blood test (23.09.08)

> showed mercury as well.

> We are completely baffled with these results. Is it possible that

> mercury would stay in blood for so long after the challenge test?

Why

> does his urine test still show mercury? She got checked her house,

> water supply and the school †" no mercury sources. No amalgam

> fillings. No fish. And remember, he showed no mercury before

> challenge test. Any ideas?

> Thanks,

> Galina

>

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[Guest guest]

I will try to answer questions in the post and interpret the test for

you...some of us are never on holiday..LOL...

> >

> > Need help with test results - Andy, please

> > Posted by: " nikitasmom33 " nikitasmom33@ nikitasmom33

> > Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:52 am (PST)

> > Hi, this is on behalf of a friend of mine. She tested her 9yo son

> and we would need help on interpreting his results.

I tried to apply counting rules and the test is definitely meeting at

least two of them. So his mineral transport is really bad. I presume

we can't judge about metal levels by this test, only that he is

heavily poisoned. He has high sodium and potassium together with low

calcium and magnesium indicating adrenal problems. Any more inputs,

please?

{{{ This test meets counting rule for mercury. He has mercury

toxicity. His lead, aluminum, antimony are also high. Find and reduce

sources of all these metals. The aluminum and antimony are likely from

the mercury. Because this test meets rules, the levels of essentials

may not be accurate body indicators, so you can't rely on them to

indicate deficiencies.

Potassium/Sodium up with cal/mag down means the adrenals are not

making enough cortisol or adrenaline and their thyroid is somewhat

low. I would recommend zinc and calcium because of the lead levels.

The zinc/cadmium ratio is not relevant in the presence of deranged

minerals.

I'd say it's official that this child is heavy metal toxic and

chelation with dmsa/ala on Andy's protocl would benefit. Adrenal

support and look at testing TSH, free t3, and free t4, and thyroid

antibiodies if they see signs associated with thyroid problems or

there is a family history.}}}

Now the other question. She did challenge test on 26.06.08 with

DMPS suppositories. His 24 hours urine toxic metals test showed 2.0

mcg/mg creatinine (ref.range <5) while the same test before challenge

showed nothing.

{{Did it show any metals? Creatinine? I'm not sure how that pertains

to his toxicity. No more challenges test please.}}

They did not do any more challenges or chelation after

that. But three months later his urine test (15.10.08) still showed

exactly the same mercury level (2.0 mcg/mg) and his blood test

(23.09.08) showed mercury as well.

{{yep, levels can stay up for a quite a while after moving mercury.

This is what makes the challenge test dangerous.}}

We are completely baffled with these results. Is it possible that

mercury would stay in blood for so long after the challenge test?

{{ Possibly, when you move mercury around blood levels can go up for

anywhere from 3-18 months after wards.}}

Why does his urine test still show mercury? She got checked her house,

water supply and the school, no mercury sources. No amalgam

fillings. No fish. And remember, he showed no mercury before

challenge test.

{{ not uncommon, as it was in deep stores in the body, such as organs

and central nervous system. This would not be coming out in his urine

or blood without using a chelator.}}

{{{No vaccines? Where do they live, many of us have mercury in the air

because of the power plants and industry. Others have it from

vaccination as infants. I also find it hard to believe their water is

mercury free, unless they are buying spring water or using a filter.

If so, then maybe it is. It's possible that all this was stirred up by

giving a chelator for the challenge test. It can be fixed by doing

proper low dose oral chelation on Andy's protocol. it means he's toxic

with mercury though. }}

Hope that helps!

[Guest guest]

Many thanks for that!

Yes, he certainly got his mercury from vaccines, no doubt. She was

worried about the test because this mercury in his urine could

indicate some unknown current source of mercury. In this case she

could not start any chelation. But if mercury can still show in three

months after provocation than everything is clear. Now she can think

about proper chelation.

Thanks again

Galina

>

> I will try to answer questions in the post and interpret the test

for

> you...some of us are never on holiday..LOL...

> > >

> > > Need help with test results - Andy, please

> > > Posted by: " nikitasmom33 " nikitasmom33@ nikitasmom33

> > > Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:52 am (PST)

> > > Hi, this is on behalf of a friend of mine. She tested her 9yo

son

> > and we would need help on interpreting his results.

> I tried to apply counting rules and the test is definitely meeting

at

> least two of them. So his mineral transport is really bad. I presume

> we can't judge about metal levels by this test, only that he is

> heavily poisoned. He has high sodium and potassium together with low

> calcium and magnesium indicating adrenal problems. Any more inputs,

> please?

>

> {{{ This test meets counting rule for mercury. He has mercury

> toxicity. His lead, aluminum, antimony are also high. Find and

reduce

> sources of all these metals. The aluminum and antimony are likely

from

> the mercury. Because this test meets rules, the levels of essentials

> may not be accurate body indicators, so you can't rely on them to

> indicate deficiencies.

> Potassium/Sodium up with cal/mag down means the adrenals are not

> making enough cortisol or adrenaline and their thyroid is somewhat

> low. I would recommend zinc and calcium because of the lead levels.

> The zinc/cadmium ratio is not relevant in the presence of deranged

> minerals.

> I'd say it's official that this child is heavy metal toxic and

> chelation with dmsa/ala on Andy's protocl would benefit. Adrenal

> support and look at testing TSH, free t3, and free t4, and thyroid

> antibiodies if they see signs associated with thyroid problems or

> there is a family history.}}}

>

>

> Now the other question. She did challenge test on 26.06.08 with

> DMPS suppositories. His 24 hours urine toxic metals test showed 2.0

> mcg/mg creatinine (ref.range <5) while the same test before

challenge

> showed nothing.

>

>

> {{Did it show any metals? Creatinine? I'm not sure how that pertains

> to his toxicity. No more challenges test please.}}

>

> They did not do any more challenges or chelation after

> that. But three months later his urine test (15.10.08) still showed

> exactly the same mercury level (2.0 mcg/mg) and his blood test

> (23.09.08) showed mercury as well.

>

>

> {{yep, levels can stay up for a quite a while after moving mercury.

> This is what makes the challenge test dangerous.}}

>

> We are completely baffled with these results. Is it possible that

> mercury would stay in blood for so long after the challenge test?

>

> {{ Possibly, when you move mercury around blood levels can go up for

> anywhere from 3-18 months after wards.}}

>

>

> Why does his urine test still show mercury? She got checked her

house,

> water supply and the school, no mercury sources. No amalgam

> fillings. No fish. And remember, he showed no mercury before

> challenge test.

>

> {{ not uncommon, as it was in deep stores in the body, such as

organs

> and central nervous system. This would not be coming out in his

urine

> or blood without using a chelator.}}

>

> {{{No vaccines? Where do they live, many of us have mercury in the

air

> because of the power plants and industry. Others have it from

> vaccination as infants. I also find it hard to believe their water

is

> mercury free, unless they are buying spring water or using a filter.

> If so, then maybe it is. It's possible that all this was stirred up

by

> giving a chelator for the challenge test. It can be fixed by doing

> proper low dose oral chelation on Andy's protocol. it means he's

toxic

> with mercury though. }}

> Hope that helps!

>

[Guest guest]

Even if it were recently she can still start dmsa only or dmps which

would lower the blood levels.

-- In , " nikitasmom33 "

<nikitasmom33@...> wrote:

>

> Many thanks for that!

> Yes, he certainly got his mercury from vaccines, no doubt. She was

> worried about the test because this mercury in his urine could

> indicate some unknown current source of mercury. In this case she

> could not start any chelation. But if mercury can still show in three

> months after provocation than everything is clear. Now she can think

> about proper chelation.

> Thanks again

> Galina

>

>

>

> >

> > I will try to answer questions in the post and interpret the test

> for

> > you...some of us are never on holiday..LOL...

> > > >

> > > > Need help with test results - Andy, please

> > > > Posted by: " nikitasmom33 " nikitasmom33@ nikitasmom33

> > > > Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:52 am (PST)

> > > > Hi, this is on behalf of a friend of mine. She tested her 9yo

> son

> > > and we would need help on interpreting his results.

> > I tried to apply counting rules and the test is definitely meeting

> at

> > least two of them. So his mineral transport is really bad. I presume

> > we can't judge about metal levels by this test, only that he is

> > heavily poisoned. He has high sodium and potassium together with low

> > calcium and magnesium indicating adrenal problems. Any more inputs,

> > please?

> >

> > {{{ This test meets counting rule for mercury. He has mercury

> > toxicity. His lead, aluminum, antimony are also high. Find and

> reduce

> > sources of all these metals. The aluminum and antimony are likely

> from

> > the mercury. Because this test meets rules, the levels of essentials

> > may not be accurate body indicators, so you can't rely on them to

> > indicate deficiencies.

> > Potassium/Sodium up with cal/mag down means the adrenals are not

> > making enough cortisol or adrenaline and their thyroid is somewhat

> > low. I would recommend zinc and calcium because of the lead levels.

> > The zinc/cadmium ratio is not relevant in the presence of deranged

> > minerals.

> > I'd say it's official that this child is heavy metal toxic and

> > chelation with dmsa/ala on Andy's protocl would benefit. Adrenal

> > support and look at testing TSH, free t3, and free t4, and thyroid

> > antibiodies if they see signs associated with thyroid problems or

> > there is a family history.}}}

> >

> >

> > Now the other question. She did challenge test on 26.06.08 with

> > DMPS suppositories. His 24 hours urine toxic metals test showed 2.0

> > mcg/mg creatinine (ref.range <5) while the same test before

> challenge

> > showed nothing.

> >

> >

> > {{Did it show any metals? Creatinine? I'm not sure how that pertains

> > to his toxicity. No more challenges test please.}}

> >

> > They did not do any more challenges or chelation after

> > that. But three months later his urine test (15.10.08) still showed

> > exactly the same mercury level (2.0 mcg/mg) and his blood test

> > (23.09.08) showed mercury as well.

> >

> >

> > {{yep, levels can stay up for a quite a while after moving mercury.

> > This is what makes the challenge test dangerous.}}

> >

> > We are completely baffled with these results. Is it possible that

> > mercury would stay in blood for so long after the challenge test?

> >

> > {{ Possibly, when you move mercury around blood levels can go up for

> > anywhere from 3-18 months after wards.}}

> >

> >

> > Why does his urine test still show mercury? She got checked her

> house,

> > water supply and the school, no mercury sources. No amalgam

> > fillings. No fish. And remember, he showed no mercury before

> > challenge test.

> >

> > {{ not uncommon, as it was in deep stores in the body, such as

> organs

> > and central nervous system. This would not be coming out in his

> urine

> > or blood without using a chelator.}}

> >

> > {{{No vaccines? Where do they live, many of us have mercury in the

> air

> > because of the power plants and industry. Others have it from

> > vaccination as infants. I also find it hard to believe their water

> is

> > mercury free, unless they are buying spring water or using a filter.

> > If so, then maybe it is. It's possible that all this was stirred up

> by

> > giving a chelator for the challenge test. It can be fixed by doing

> > proper low dose oral chelation on Andy's protocol. it means he's

> toxic

> > with mercury though. }}

> > Hope that helps!

> >

>