Re: Need Thoughts On Yeast Treatment For My Daughter

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In a message dated 11/09/2008 06:22:31 GMT Daylight Time,

havasushannon@... writes:

What do you think? Should I do the candex or candidase as well as

the zyme prime and afp? What are your thoughts on the pills versus

the chewables? And is there anything else I should know?

>>>Absolutely, I use HNI amd Candex and Custom Probiotics to control my sons

yeast issues

Good luck

Mandi in UK

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I would do the SCD diet first and see what foods she can tolerate. It

takes care of yeast too. My guys started speaking on this diet with the

addition of the omega oil supplements and magnesium.

The diet can be found at peacanbread.com

havasushannon wrote:

> I have a 28 month old daughter who is speech delayed and has shown

> signs of yeast since her thrush at 2 weeks of age. She reacted a lot

> to my breatmilk when I ate citrus, garlic, and other things. Most

> often her reaction was urine that would burn her, one time it even

> left a blister that didn't go away fully for 2 months. However she

> only spat up once (that was when I ate a ton of garlic ). When we

> started solids at 8 months she began to get red bumps on her chest

> off and on. She also got really constipated from carrots, bananas and

> apples; and still alternates between slightly contispated to loose

> stools. She has had mucousy stools on and off since starting solids,

> and still gets them after eating fruit or too much bread(which is

> very little). I held off on grains till 14 months then gave her brown

> rice, and have always limited her wheat. When she gets too much fruit

> or bread she gets fermented smelling bowels (like after a hard night

> of drinking alcohol). Her belly has always protruded, more after she

> started grains. She has never slept well, and has only slept more

> than 5 hours straight one time, most of the time she has woken many

> times at night. At times she would wake every 30 minutes. She is

> really speech delayed (maybe says a few words), and does better when

> I can limit the fruits and grains in her diet. She has been on a

> homeopathic remedy ( candida albicans) for 4 months now and does

> better the next day after receiving it (she will eat more and try to

> talk more). I have had her on cod liver oil since 9 months, and

> probiotics since 2 weeks. Off and on she has had brainchild minerals

> and vitamins. She is very self-concious and reacts extremely to

> people leaving and getting cuts. She is an empath like me so I'm sure

> this makes it worse. I breastfed her till 2, have always tried to

> give her organic foods, she's never had junk food, and I try to limit

> her fruits and grains (which are usually gluten free except for the

> sourdough daddy sneaks in). I have taken her to a couple docs, but no

> real help. The last Naturopathic doctor I took her to wanted to give

> nystatin. She also suggested this:

>

> " *Digestive Support –

> -Zyme Prime Chewable Tablets (ZYME-CHEW) – 2 tablets before every meal

> -AFP Chewable (PEPT-CHEW) – 2 tablets before every meal.

> -VSL Packets (VSL-3) – ¼ packet in water or stevia sweetened lemonade

> daily.

> *General Support

> -BrainChild Spectrum Ultrasensitive Combo (SSUS-32) – this comes with

> both vitamins and minerals. ½ to ¾ tsp 3x/day. You can also mix this

> into stevia sweetened lemonade since the flavor of the vitamins and

> minerals is a lemon-lime taste. If you have difficulty getting the

> vitamins into Katelyn 3x/day, divide the total daily dose into 2

> dosages.

> *Supporting Yeast Detox – purchase the products listed below at your

> local health food store.

> -Partially Ground Flax Seeds – 3 tsp/day; add this to smoothies, hot

> cereal, gluten-free baked goods. I add flax to GF pancakes for my

> kids. You do not have to serve them with maple syrup. She may just

> like to eat them plain with a little butter. Pamela's GF Pancake and

> Baking Mix is great for any baked goods.

> -Magnesium Capsules – Give her 200-300 mg at night before bed. Open

> the capsule and mix it in apple sauce.

> -Activated Charcoal – 1-2 capsules per day. You will have to find a

> way to disguise this in some food.

> -Lots of Water to keep the bowels moving. The required amount for her

> is about 15-18 ounces per day. "

>

> AND, when I told her no to the nystatin she sent this:

>

> " You can add some Candex from New Beginnings if you want to try that.

> It is an enzyme to help break down the wall of the candida organism

> so that the body can get rid of it. I know you are concerned about

> the side effects of Nystatin, which are rare and only have a chance

> of occurring with extended use (more than 6 months), but you need to

> take into consideration the side effects of candida also. Nystatin is

> the mildest anti-fungal that I can prescribe. From your description,

> it would seem that she already does not feel well and what you have

> tried so far has not made a difference.

> In using natural products, you are mostly left with capsules and

> tablets. You can find some herbal tinctures for kids that are in a

> glycerite form so that they will take it. I suggest that you look at

> Sprouts to see if you can find a glycerite form of olive leaf

> extract. Or you can look online. If so, give her 2 droppersful

> 2x/day. Olive leaf extract comes in capsule form but you would have

> to hide it in food or teach her to swallow capsules which may be too

> big for her throat. "

>

> I spoke to Dr. Houston from Houston Nutriceuticals and he recommended

> the Zyme Prime and AFP pills over the chewables because as he puts

> it " less excipient material in capsules " , and said to just put it in

> her food. Also, he also recommended either candex or candidase.

>

> What do you think? Should I do the candex or candidase as well as

> the zyme prime and afp? What are your thoughts on the pills versus

> the chewables? And is there anything else I should know?

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

I tried for one full year diligently to get my son's yeast down with extremely

strict diet and naturopathic remedies. Slight change only. Finally gave in and

did diflucan (he has systemic yeast, even in ears, so nystatin was out) for back

to back prescription 2 months total- huge change (HUGE) now we will rotate with

the naturopathic stuff and perhaps have to repeat with prescriptions, rotating.

It was worth it. I kick myself for not doing it earlier. My kid needed this to

make a big enough dent in the yeast. Just my thoughts, hoping your daughter the

best, you are doing so well by her, Alison M

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: " havasushannon " <havasushannon@...>

> I have a 28 month old daughter who is speech delayed and has shown

> signs of yeast since her thrush at 2 weeks of age. She reacted a lot

> to my breatmilk when I ate citrus, garlic, and other things. Most

> often her reaction was urine that would burn her, one time it even

> left a blister that didn't go away fully for 2 months. However she

> only spat up once (that was when I ate a ton of garlic ). When we

> started solids at 8 months she began to get red bumps on her chest

> off and on. She also got really constipated from carrots, bananas and

> apples; and still alternates between slightly contispated to loose

> stools. She has had mucousy stools on and off since starting solids,

> and still gets them after eating fruit or too much bread(which is

> very little). I held off on grains till 14 months then gave her brown

> rice, and have always limited her wheat. When she gets too much fruit

> or bread she gets fermented smelling bowels (like after a hard night

> of drinking alcohol). Her belly has always protruded, more after she

> started grains. She has never slept well, and has only slept more

> than 5 hours straight one time, most of the time she has woken many

> times at night. At times she would wake every 30 minutes. She is

> really speech delayed (maybe says a few words), and does better when

> I can limit the fruits and grains in her diet. She has been on a

> homeopathic remedy ( candida albicans) for 4 months now and does

> better the next day after receiving it (she will eat more and try to

> talk more). I have had her on cod liver oil since 9 months, and

> probiotics since 2 weeks. Off and on she has had brainchild minerals

> and vitamins. She is very self-concious and reacts extremely to

> people leaving and getting cuts. She is an empath like me so I'm sure

> this makes it worse. I breastfed her till 2, have always tried to

> give her organic foods, she's never had junk food, and I try to limit

> her fruits and grains (which are usually gluten free except for the

> sourdough daddy sneaks in). I have taken her to a couple docs, but no

> real help. The last Naturopathic doctor I took her to wanted to give

> nystatin. She also suggested this:

>

> " *Digestive Support –

> -Zyme Prime Chewable Tablets (ZYME-CHEW) – 2 tablets before every meal

> -AFP Chewable (PEPT-CHEW) – 2 tablets before every meal.

> -VSL Packets (VSL-3) – ¼ packet in water or stevia sweetened lemonade

> daily.

> *General Support

> -BrainChild Spectrum Ultrasensitive Combo (SSUS-32) – this comes with

> both vitamins and minerals. ½ to ¾ tsp 3x/day. You can also mix this

> into stevia sweetened lemonade since the flavor of the vitamins and

> minerals is a lemon-lime taste. If you have difficulty getting the

> vitamins into Katelyn 3x/day, divide the total daily dose into 2

> dosages.

> *Supporting Yeast Detox – purchase the products listed below at your

> local health food store.

> -Partially Ground Flax Seeds – 3 tsp/day; add this to smoothies, hot

> cereal, gluten-free baked goods. I add flax to GF pancakes for my

> kids. You do not have to serve them with maple syrup. She may just

> like to eat them plain with a little butter. Pamela's GF Pancake and

> Baking Mix is great for any baked goods.

> -Magnesium Capsules – Give her 200-300 mg at night before bed. Open

> the capsule and mix it in apple sauce.

> -Activated Charcoal – 1-2 capsules per day. You will have to find a

> way to disguise this in some food.

> -Lots of Water to keep the bowels moving. The required amount for her

> is about 15-18 ounces per day. "

>

> AND, when I told her no to the nystatin she sent this:

>

> " You can add some Candex from New Beginnings if you want to try that.

> It is an enzyme to help break down the wall of the candida organism

> so that the body can get rid of it. I know you are concerned about

> the side effects of Nystatin, which are rare and only have a chance

> of occurring with extended use (more than 6 months), but you need to

> take into consideration the side effects of candida also. Nystatin is

> the mildest anti-fungal that I can prescribe. From your description,

> it would seem that she already does not feel well and what you have

> tried so far has not made a difference.

> In using natural products, you are mostly left with capsules and

> tablets. You can find some herbal tinctures for kids that are in a

> glycerite form so that they will take it. I suggest that you look at

> Sprouts to see if you can find a glycerite form of olive leaf

> extract. Or you can look online. If so, give her 2 droppersful

> 2x/day. Olive leaf extract comes in capsule form but you would have

> to hide it in food or teach her to swallow capsules which may be too

> big for her throat. "

>

> I spoke to Dr. Houston from Houston Nutriceuticals and he recommended

> the Zyme Prime and AFP pills over the chewables because as he puts

> it " less excipient material in capsules " , and said to just put it in

> her food. Also, he also recommended either candex or candidase.

>

> What do you think? Should I do the candex or candidase as well as

> the zyme prime and afp? What are your thoughts on the pills versus

> the chewables? And is there anything else I should know?

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have a 28 month old daughter who is speech delayed and has shown

> signs of yeast since her thrush at 2 weeks of age.

I would give biotin and/or probiotics.

>>She has had mucousy stools on and off since starting solids,

> and still gets them after eating fruit or too much bread(which is

> very little).

This can mean yeast overgrowth, or food intolerance.

> " *Digestive Support –

> -Zyme Prime Chewable Tablets (ZYME-CHEW) – 2 tablets before every meal

> -AFP Chewable (PEPT-CHEW) – 2 tablets before every meal.

These should help.

> -VSL Packets (VSL-3) – ¼ packet in water or stevia sweetened lemonade

> daily.

If she has a milk problem, I understand VSL contains trace milk.

> -Activated Charcoal – 1-2 capsules per day. You will have to find a

> way to disguise this in some food.

Be sure to give this at least 2 hours apart from all supps except

those directly causing yeast die off [like GSE], when you would give

it 30-45 minutes after.

> " You can add some Candex from New Beginnings if you want to try that.

> It is an enzyme to help break down the wall of the candida organism

> so that the body can get rid of it.

Candex can help with yeast, so can Candidase. I used biotin and GSE.

> Sprouts to see if you can find a glycerite form of olive leaf

> extract.

If your child has virus issues, the OLE will tend to increase yeast,

because viral die off tends to increase yeast.

>> Or you can look online. If so, give her 2 droppersful

> 2x/day.

Definitely do not use this as a starting dose.

> I spoke to Dr. Houston from Houston Nutriceuticals and he recommended

> the Zyme Prime and AFP pills over the chewables because as he puts

> it " less excipient material in capsules " , and said to just put it in

> her food. Also, he also recommended either candex or candidase.

You can do the capsules if you think that would work better.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana,

Thanks for your response. I was going through the enzymestuff

website and it says to start with a broad-spectrum enzyme, such as

Zyme-Prime, then once that's tolerated start a strong protease such

as AFP, then enter the probiotics(but skipping since we already are

on them), then a yeast targeting enzyme such as Candex or Candidase,

then a Yeast Killer such as Grapefruit seed extract, Pau d'arco or

Garlic. What do you think of this program? And where would I fit

biotin into it?

Also, should I incorporate a supplement like Brainchild? I am

worried she has low calcium because I do and she shows symptoms, and

shares my diet of high protein, little to no vege, and no dairy

(except butter).

Thanks,

> >

> > I have a 28 month old daughter who is speech delayed and has

shown

> > signs of yeast since her thrush at 2 weeks of age.

>

>

> I would give biotin and/or probiotics.

>

>

> >>She has had mucousy stools on and off since starting solids,

> > and still gets them after eating fruit or too much bread(which is

> > very little).

>

>

> This can mean yeast overgrowth, or food intolerance.

>

>

> > " *Digestive Support –

> > -Zyme Prime Chewable Tablets (ZYME-CHEW) – 2 tablets before every

meal

> > -AFP Chewable (PEPT-CHEW) – 2 tablets before every meal.

>

>

> These should help.

>

>

> > -VSL Packets (VSL-3) – ¼ packet in water or stevia sweetened

lemonade

> > daily.

>

>

> If she has a milk problem, I understand VSL contains trace milk.

>

>

> > -Activated Charcoal – 1-2 capsules per day. You will have to find

a

> > way to disguise this in some food.

>

>

> Be sure to give this at least 2 hours apart from all supps except

> those directly causing yeast die off [like GSE], when you would give

> it 30-45 minutes after.

>

>

> > " You can add some Candex from New Beginnings if you want to try

that.

> > It is an enzyme to help break down the wall of the candida

organism

> > so that the body can get rid of it.

>

>

> Candex can help with yeast, so can Candidase. I used biotin and

GSE.

>

>

> > Sprouts to see if you can find a glycerite form of olive leaf

> > extract.

>

>

> If your child has virus issues, the OLE will tend to increase yeast,

> because viral die off tends to increase yeast.

>

>

> >> Or you can look online. If so, give her 2 droppersful

> > 2x/day.

>

>

> Definitely do not use this as a starting dose.

>

>

> > I spoke to Dr. Houston from Houston Nutriceuticals and he

recommended

> > the Zyme Prime and AFP pills over the chewables because as he

puts

> > it " less excipient material in capsules " , and said to just put

it in

> > her food. Also, he also recommended either candex or candidase.

>

>

> You can do the capsules if you think that would work better.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dana,

> Thanks for your response. I was going through the enzymestuff

> website and it says to start with a broad-spectrum enzyme, such as

> Zyme-Prime, then once that's tolerated start a strong protease such

> as AFP, then enter the probiotics(but skipping since we already are

> on them), then a yeast targeting enzyme such as Candex or Candidase,

> then a Yeast Killer such as Grapefruit seed extract, Pau d'arco or

> Garlic. What do you think of this program? And where would I fit

> biotin into it?

This sounds reasonable, altho you can alter the order of introduction,

depending on what your child's needs are.

You can add biotin any time you want.

> Also, should I incorporate a supplement like Brainchild?

Brainchild is a company. It sells quite a number of different

supplements.

I am

> worried she has low calcium because I do and she shows symptoms, and

> shares my diet of high protein, little to no vege, and no dairy

> (except butter).

If she is showing symptoms of low calcium, definitely give more

calcium foods, or a calcium supplement. At my house, calcium required

magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K, and lysine for proper absorption.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you. How did you know you needed to add the vit. k, etc for

absorbtion of the calcium? Did you test or go off symptoms?

> >

> > Dana,

> > Thanks for your response. I was going through the enzymestuff

> > website and it says to start with a broad-spectrum enzyme, such

as

> > Zyme-Prime, then once that's tolerated start a strong protease

such

> > as AFP, then enter the probiotics(but skipping since we already

are

> > on them), then a yeast targeting enzyme such as Candex or

Candidase,

> > then a Yeast Killer such as Grapefruit seed extract, Pau d'arco

or

> > Garlic. What do you think of this program? And where would I

fit

> > biotin into it?

>

>

> This sounds reasonable, altho you can alter the order of

introduction,

> depending on what your child's needs are.

>

> You can add biotin any time you want.

>

>

> > Also, should I incorporate a supplement like Brainchild?

>

>

> Brainchild is a company. It sells quite a number of different

> supplements.

>

>

> I am

> > worried she has low calcium because I do and she shows symptoms,

and

> > shares my diet of high protein, little to no vege, and no dairy

> > (except butter).

>

>

> If she is showing symptoms of low calcium, definitely give more

> calcium foods, or a calcium supplement. At my house, calcium

required

> magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K, and lysine for proper absorption.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Forgot, another question. On the supplements, I was thinking a vitamin

and mineral one. My ND said to use Brainchild Sensitive, but I had her

on the Support before (for maybe 3 months). Is one better than the

other? And what is your opinion of their vit/min supplements, are they

a good safe natural choice? I want the most natural, absorbable, and

safe supplements for her.

Thanks again,

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you. How did you know you needed to add the vit. k, etc for

> absorbtion of the calcium? Did you test or go off symptoms?

Symptoms. At my house, vitamin K was required for absorption of

calcium and fats.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your help with the Vit K, just making sure you saw this

question as well.....

>

> Forgot, another question. On the supplements, I was thinking a

vitamin

> and mineral one. My ND said to use Brainchild Sensitive, but I had

her

> on the Support before (for maybe 3 months). Is one better than the

> other? And what is your opinion of their vit/min supplements, are

they

> a good safe natural choice? I want the most natural, absorbable, and

> safe supplements for her.

> Thanks again,

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for your help with the Vit K, just making sure you saw this

> question as well.....

> > Forgot, another question. On the supplements, I was thinking a

> vitamin

> > and mineral one. My ND said to use Brainchild Sensitive, but I had

> her

> > on the Support before (for maybe 3 months). Is one better than the

> > other?

Not sure if you are addressing this message to me.

I have not used BrainChild products, so I don't know which one might

be best for your child. Check the ingredients and see if there are

any differences.

Did the Support work well before? Why did you drop it?

>>And what is your opinion of their vit/min supplements, are

> they

> > a good safe natural choice?

I have read quite a few messages sharing positive experiences with

BrainChild products. They are very expensive tho.

I have not researched BrainChild to know whether I would consider them

" safe and natural " .

>> I want the most natural, absorbable, and

> > safe supplements for her.

For " absorbable " , I found that carnitine was required for proper

absorption of many supplements. And for my kids, folic acid also.

Dana