Apples

[Guest guest]

OOPs!!! I forgot I put a few pats of butter on top of the apples

before I put the top crust on.

a

[Guest guest]

can you share your jam recipe?

>

> I just got two bushels of apples to dry. All I do is peel and slice them and

put them in a

> food dryer. It's a great year long snack. They also have some late season

Heritage

> raspberries (u-pick). We made jam as soon as we got home. Yum!!

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to say that I just used a box of sure-jell for the raspberry jam. We

use so little

jam, and I had a box of sure-jell on hand, and I knew that it would turn out

well, so I took

the easy way out.

Lynn

>

> can you share your jam recipe?

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe it's just me but as a 58 year old man who grew up eating apples from

trees in our yard, I can say that the store bought apples I've been getting

lately--in the last six months or so--are as good as any I've eaten. In fact, I

think I've eaten more apples in the last six months than in the rest of my

life combined. Maybe there's something wrong with me. I feel OK. Who knows

where these cravings come from? Could be I need something especially that

apples

have in them. I've been eating Fujis and Cameos, Delicious and Granny ,

Braeburns and Galas along with whatever else comes along--as long as they're

crisp I'll eat them and be happy to do it. Lucky me.

In a message dated 5/26/2008 11:46:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

bobsallyeva@... writes:

I often wonder about nutritional content when I read stuff like

" pineapples are rich in manganese " etc etc. Presumably only if there is

manganese in the soil. Bell peppers grown hydroponically can't be rich

in anything I wouldn't have thought. The same must apply to organic

stuff ..........the growing plant can only absorb what is available in

the soil

Sally

maartendeprez wrote:

>> Some years ago, we discovered an abandoned apple orchard in Custer

>>

> State Park, South Dakota. After some research regarding homesteading

> of that area and subsequent acquisitions of the area by the state, we

> figured the trees had been planted around the end of the 1800s. The

> apples are wonderful [...] The black hills apple was loaded with

> flavor, the organic apple whas not so bad, the other was nearly tasteless.

>

> Yeah, i think supermarket apples here are like plastic (thats what

> they look like). Strange how this could have come to be; it means

> consumers did buy the less tasty ones, or it was just so much cheaper

> to produce them.

>

> An organic producer in my neighbourhood is even growing non-standard

> varieties. They're not only more tasteful (and, more types is more

> tastes of course), but also have a better resistance, which is

> especially useful for organic growing.

>

> Makes me wonder about the nutritional differences, in hard numbers.

> Would be an interesting subject for a scientific study. If the

> commercial variety, artificially fertilized apple is very low in

> minerals, it would take away nutrients instead of providing them. So,

> is the saying " an apple a day keeps the doctor away " still true nowadays?

>

> Greetings,

> Maarten

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> Some years ago, we discovered an abandoned apple orchard in Custer

State Park, South Dakota. After some research regarding homesteading

of that area and subsequent acquisitions of the area by the state, we

figured the trees had been planted around the end of the 1800s. The

apples are wonderful [...] The black hills apple was loaded with

flavor, the organic apple whas not so bad, the other was nearly tasteless.

Yeah, i think supermarket apples here are like plastic (thats what

they look like). Strange how this could have come to be; it means

consumers did buy the less tasty ones, or it was just so much cheaper

to produce them.

An organic producer in my neighbourhood is even growing non-standard

varieties. They're not only more tasteful (and, more types is more

tastes of course), but also have a better resistance, which is

especially useful for organic growing.

Makes me wonder about the nutritional differences, in hard numbers.

Would be an interesting subject for a scientific study. If the

commercial variety, artificially fertilized apple is very low in

minerals, it would take away nutrients instead of providing them. So,

is the saying " an apple a day keeps the doctor away " still true nowadays?

Greetings,

Maarten

[Guest guest]

I often wonder about nutritional content when I read stuff like

" pineapples are rich in manganese " etc etc. Presumably only if there is

manganese in the soil. Bell peppers grown hydroponically can't be rich

in anything I wouldn't have thought. The same must apply to organic

stuff ..........the growing plant can only absorb what is available in

the soil

Sally

maartendeprez wrote:

>> Some years ago, we discovered an abandoned apple orchard in Custer

>>

> State Park, South Dakota. After some research regarding homesteading

> of that area and subsequent acquisitions of the area by the state, we

> figured the trees had been planted around the end of the 1800s. The

> apples are wonderful [...] The black hills apple was loaded with

> flavor, the organic apple whas not so bad, the other was nearly tasteless.

>

> Yeah, i think supermarket apples here are like plastic (thats what

> they look like). Strange how this could have come to be; it means

> consumers did buy the less tasty ones, or it was just so much cheaper

> to produce them.

>

> An organic producer in my neighbourhood is even growing non-standard

> varieties. They're not only more tasteful (and, more types is more

> tastes of course), but also have a better resistance, which is

> especially useful for organic growing.

>

> Makes me wonder about the nutritional differences, in hard numbers.

> Would be an interesting subject for a scientific study. If the

> commercial variety, artificially fertilized apple is very low in

> minerals, it would take away nutrients instead of providing them. So,

> is the saying " an apple a day keeps the doctor away " still true nowadays?

>

> Greetings,

> Maarten

>

>

>

>

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>

>

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Fujis, Braeburns and Galas are all my favorite apples along with Pippins, Orange

Pippins, and a few others I can't remember. Here in Vermont in the fall our

local coop sells dozens of varieties of heirloom and exotic locally grown apples

some of which are fantastic. The Orange Pippins are one of them. The rest I

can't remember, but each fall I try out many of them. Crisp and tart are what I

especially like. Though I also love the crisp and sweet Galas.

Tonio

about 5 months from apple season

Re: re: apples

Maybe it's just me but as a 58 year old man who grew up eating apples from

trees in our yard, I can say that the store bought apples I've been getting

lately--in the last six months or so--are as good as any I've eaten. In fact,

I

think I've eaten more apples in the last six months than in the rest of my

life combined. Maybe there's something wrong with me. I feel OK. Who knows

where these cravings come from? Could be I need something especially that

apples

have in them. I've been eating Fujis and Cameos, Delicious and Granny ,

Braeburns and Galas along with whatever else comes along--as long as they're

crisp I'll eat them and be happy to do it. Lucky me.

In a message dated 5/26/2008 11:46:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

bobsallyeva@... writes:

I often wonder about nutritional content when I read stuff like

" pineapples are rich in manganese " etc etc. Presumably only if there is

manganese in the soil. Bell peppers grown hydroponically can't be rich

in anything I wouldn't have thought. The same must apply to organic

stuff ..........the growing plant can only absorb what is available in

the soil

Sally

maartendeprez wrote:

>> Some years ago, we discovered an abandoned apple orchard in Custer

>>

> State Park, South Dakota. After some research regarding homesteading

> of that area and subsequent acquisitions of the area by the state, we

> figured the trees had been planted around the end of the 1800s. The

> apples are wonderful [...] The black hills apple was loaded with

> flavor, the organic apple whas not so bad, the other was nearly tasteless.

>

> Yeah, i think supermarket apples here are like plastic (thats what

> they look like). Strange how this could have come to be; it means

> consumers did buy the less tasty ones, or it was just so much cheaper

> to produce them.

>

> An organic producer in my neighbourhood is even growing non-standard

> varieties. They're not only more tasteful (and, more types is more

> tastes of course), but also have a better resistance, which is

> especially useful for organic growing.

>

> Makes me wonder about the nutritional differences, in hard numbers.

> Would be an interesting subject for a scientific study. If the

> commercial variety, artificially fertilized apple is very low in

> minerals, it would take away nutrients instead of providing them. So,

> is the saying " an apple a day keeps the doctor away " still true nowadays?

>

> Greetings,

> Maarten

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hey Tonio,

That's just not fair that you can get 's Orange Pippins in VT! They're a

" famous " English apple. At least they were in my childhood ;-)

and the K9's

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> Fujis, Braeburns and Galas are all my favorite apples along with Pippins,

> Orange Pippins, and a few others I can't remember. Here in Vermont in

> the fall our local coop sells dozens of varieties of heirloom and exotic

> locally grown apples some of which are fantastic. The Orange Pippins

> are one of them. The rest I can't remember, but each fall I try out many

> of them. Crisp and tart are what I especially like. Though I also love the

> crisp and sweet Galas.

[Guest guest]

,

You're right, but on the other hand we have to wade through 5 feet of snow for 6

months to get them. ;+)

Tonio

Hey Tonio,

That's just not fair that you can get 's Orange Pippins in VT! They're a

" famous " English apple. At least they were in my childhood ;-)

and the K9's

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> Fujis, Braeburns and Galas are all my favorite apples along with Pippins,

> Orange Pippins, and a few others I can't remember. Here in Vermont in

> the fall our local coop sells dozens of varieties of heirloom and exotic

> locally grown apples some of which are fantastic. The Orange Pippins

> are one of them. The rest I can't remember, but each fall I try out many

> of them. Crisp and tart are what I especially like. Though I also love the

> crisp and sweet Galas.

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We may have to change that old saying to " An apple a day keeps the doctor in

pay. "

When we can get apples from those trees in Custer State Park, I really notice

that I have eaten something substantial. The first bite is so full of flavor

that it about knocks you over. But you can't wait to get up and have another!

The first year we picked there, we were up in the trees picking when a herd of

bison moved in under the trees. My wife and small daughter were in one tree in

the middle of the herd. My son (2 years younger than my daughter) and I were in

another tree on the edge of the herd. So after sitting there for awhile, my

daughter remarked to Becky (my wife), " It's a good thing we have our food

supply. " Those bison looked like they were going to stay for the day.

I managed to get out of my tree and slip around behind the herd (still behind

some trees) and persuade them to move on. So those apples have much more value

than food value for us.

Ellis

re: apples

> Some years ago, we discovered an abandoned apple orchard in Custer

State Park, South Dakota. After some research regarding homesteading

of that area and subsequent acquisitions of the area by the state, we

figured the trees had been planted around the end of the 1800s. The

apples are wonderful [...] The black hills apple was loaded with

flavor, the organic apple whas not so bad, the other was nearly tasteless.

Yeah, i think supermarket apples here are like plastic (thats what

they look like). Strange how this could have come to be; it means

consumers did buy the less tasty ones, or it was just so much cheaper

to produce them.

An organic producer in my neighbourhood is even growing non-standard

varieties. They're not only more tasteful (and, more types is more

tastes of course), but also have a better resistance, which is

especially useful for organic growing.

Makes me wonder about the nutritional differences, in hard numbers.

Would be an interesting subject for a scientific study. If the

commercial variety, artificially fertilized apple is very low in

minerals, it would take away nutrients instead of providing them. So,

is the saying " an apple a day keeps the doctor away " still true nowadays?

Greetings,

Maarten

[Guest guest]

I have tasted some nice, organic apples here in Vermont...heirloom

varieties.

But I have never, ever found an apple to equal the flavor of a variety

I tasted about 30 years ago in Buffalo, NY. I was visiting a friend in

college and I found myself at one point in a cabin of hippies that were

picking apples at the time. When I left to go home, they gave me a

bunch of apples to take with me. Some of these were Iras...I think it

was a yellowy skinned variety but after all these years I can't really

remember. The flavor was intense and absolutely everything an apple

should taste like.

I've been looking for the Ira variety ever since.

Jill~

PS Hi !

[Guest guest]

> But I have never, ever found an apple to equal the flavor of a variety

> I tasted about 30 years ago in Buffalo, NY. [...] I think it

> was a yellowy skinned variety but after all these years I can't really

> remember. The flavor was intense and absolutely everything an apple

> should taste like.

I had some great apples from a relative, with a yellowish green skin

and a *rich* acid-sweet flavour. He had to cut down the tree though,

because his wife didn't like them . It was Jaques Lebel; have such

a tree in the backyard now.

The variety you mentioned, " ira " , is not on the Brogdale site

(http://www.brogdale.org/nfc_plants1.php?plantid=7) which seems to

have a lot of varieties. Are you sure on the spelling? For many

varieties it says " propagation material available " ; didn't research

how to get it yet.

Greetings,

Maarten

[Guest guest]

" I had some great apples from a relative, with a yellowish green skin

and a *rich* acid-sweet flavour. He had to cut down the tree though,

because his wife didn't like them . It was Jaques Lebel; have such

a tree in the backyard now.

The variety you mentioned, " ira " , is not on the Brogdale site

(http://www.brogdale.org/nfc_plants1.php?plantid=7) which seems to

have a lot of varieties. Are you sure on the spelling? For many

varieties it says " propagation material available " ; didn't research

how to get it yet.

Greetings,

Maarten "

Why, thank you, Maarten! That Jacues Lebel sounds just how I would

describe the Ira. I think maybe there was a man named Ira way back when

who established a number of varieties that are now considered heirloom

varieties. I think I will look into whether or not this Jacques Lebel

will grow in Zone 4.

I remember that the apple which I was told was an Ira was extremely

large.

Jill~

[Guest guest]

> That Jacues Lebel sounds just how I would

> describe the Ira. I think maybe there was a man named Ira way back when

> who established a number of varieties that are now considered heirloom

> varieties. I think I will look into whether or not this Jacques Lebel

> will grow in Zone 4.

> I remember that the apple which I was told was an Ira was extremely

> large.

The same for the ones i tried, although the photograps on the web

don't look exactly the same. The young tree, that was sold to me as

Jaques Lebel, has some apples this year; will be able to tell later.

Greetings,

Maarten

[Guest guest]

she seems to do well on red delicious apples , but goes crazy on

golden delicious apples. Anyone ever have this happen?

[Guest guest]

We don't do apples here because they make my kids really spacey. Our doc.

said it was probably all the sugar. They are both very sensitive to sugar,

so they eat a low sugar diet. Have you tried pears instead of apples?

_____

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On Behalf Of Arias

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:53 PM

Subject: [ ] Apples

she seems to do well on red delicious apples , but goes crazy on

golden delicious apples. Anyone ever have this happen?

[Guest guest]

yes. but i was trying to reintroduce some foods. there is nothing

that she can eat. i worry , since she has been on such a limited diet

for so long.

On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Chuck & Chase wrote:

> We don't do apples here because they make my kids really spacey.

> Our doc.

> said it was probably all the sugar. They are both very sensitive to

> sugar,

> so they eat a low sugar diet. Have you tried pears instead of apples?

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:Autism-

> Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of Arias

> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:53 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Apples

>

> she seems to do well on red delicious apples , but goes crazy on

> golden delicious apples. Anyone ever have this happen?

>

>

[Guest guest]

My migraine girl only eats granny smith apples - and does feel like

other apples are tough on everyone (else) in the house, includes the

toddlers I care for & grandchildren when visiting...we stick to green

apples, as when options are available, (dh likes reds/yellows) they

all will only eat the granny smith ones...wishing you the best

answers, elizabeth

>

> she seems to do well on red delicious apples , but goes crazy on

> golden delicious apples. Anyone ever have this happen?

>

[Guest guest]

Aren't apples high phenol? Have you tried no-fenol from Houston Enzymes? How

does she do with other phenol foods?

S S

Re: Apples

Posted by: " Arias " thinkingheads@... denise_arias

Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:16 pm (PDT)

yes. but i was trying to reintroduce some foods. there is nothing

that she can eat. i worry , since she has been on such a limited diet

for so long.

On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Chuck & Chase wrote:

> We don't do apples here because they make my kids really spacey.

> Our doc.

> said it was probably all the sugar. They are both very sensitive to

> sugar,

> so they eat a low sugar diet. Have you tried pears instead of apples?

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

....second thought, I have one child who does okay with yellow colors,

but not yellow foods...and migraine girl tolerates red colors, not

yellow colors, but is mostly intolerant to red fruits/vegetables, but

does okay with most yellow/orange vegetables (not the fruits tho -

pears & such are not good in her world)...there are lists of colors,

artificial & natural, out there, that can be very helpful in trying to

find intolerances - phenols & salicylates come to mind...for her,

starting with (totally eliminating) more extreme foods, then

experimenting with the lesser foods/colors, after a period of

eliminating the suspected " problem foods. " Took a good six months of

really working on this, a couple years ago, and we still " test "

regularly & often...often find that some foods are now " worse " and

other previously untolerated foods can be added....wishing you the

best answers, elizabeth

> >

> > she seems to do well on red delicious apples , but goes crazy on

> > golden delicious apples. Anyone ever have this happen?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

she goes crazy with GSE. and tomato sauce.

I guess they would be phenol, right?

On Sep 17, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Shepard Salzer wrote:

> Aren't apples high phenol? Have you tried no-fenol from Houston

> Enzymes? How does she do with other phenol foods?

> S S

>

> Re: Apples

> Posted by: " Arias " thinkingheads@... denise_arias

> Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:16 pm (PDT)

> yes. but i was trying to reintroduce some foods. there is nothing

> that she can eat. i worry , since she has been on such a limited diet

> for so long.

> On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Chuck & Chase wrote:

>

> > We don't do apples here because they make my kids really spacey.

> > Our doc.

> > said it was probably all the sugar. They are both very sensitive to

> > sugar,

> > so they eat a low sugar diet. Have you tried pears instead of

> apples?

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I am not entirely sure if it was the apple or the probiotic that i

started, so i stopped both, and will re-introduce the probiotic again.

On Sep 17, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Shepard Salzer wrote:

> Aren't apples high phenol? Have you tried no-fenol from Houston

> Enzymes? How does she do with other phenol foods?

> S S

>

> Re: Apples

> Posted by: " Arias " thinkingheads@... denise_arias

> Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:16 pm (PDT)

> yes. but i was trying to reintroduce some foods. there is nothing

> that she can eat. i worry , since she has been on such a limited diet

> for so long.

> On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Chuck & Chase wrote:

>

> > We don't do apples here because they make my kids really spacey.

> > Our doc.

> > said it was probably all the sugar. They are both very sensitive to

> > sugar,

> > so they eat a low sugar diet. Have you tried pears instead of

> apples?

> >

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

We haven't tried GSE here, but tomatoes & anything red were completely

off her list of foods for quite a while (maybe a year or so, prob a

bit more) & I do think that was/is the phenols...she started tolerated

some red foods pretty recently, but not the tomatoes or watermelons

(watermelon went off the list for quite possibly Years, badbadbad this

summer ...just this summer, she can easily tolerate our garden

tomatoes (yellow, favorite! & red but still having issues with

" regular " store tomatoes...as a side note, am thinking tomatoes are

high melatonin, both of the worst migraine kids here used to inhale

them & any sauces, etc (pizza! ...as their melatonin needs were

addressed, this seemed to be less of a fight (not to eat, that is -

with my 4yo). It was the same time period - trying to find problem

foods & adding melatonin in, so could be wrong - feels like it with my

older child tho' & related...details, details, details, ug

...wishing you the best answers, elizabeth

>

> she goes crazy with GSE. and tomato sauce.

> I guess they would be phenol, right?

[Guest guest]

my dd goes wild when she eats watermelon too.

i have to try the no phenol.

do you start with little bits, and when do you give it?

On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:55 AM, eli8591 wrote:

> We haven't tried GSE here, but tomatoes & anything red were completely

> off her list of foods for quite a while (maybe a year or so, prob a

> bit more) & I do think that was/is the phenols...she started tolerated

> some red foods pretty recently, but not the tomatoes or watermelons

> (watermelon went off the list for quite possibly Years, badbadbad this

> summer ...just this summer, she can easily tolerate our garden

> tomatoes (yellow, favorite! & red but still having issues with

> " regular " store tomatoes...as a side note, am thinking tomatoes are

> high melatonin, both of the worst migraine kids here used to inhale

> them & any sauces, etc (pizza! ...as their melatonin needs were

> addressed, this seemed to be less of a fight (not to eat, that is -

> with my 4yo). It was the same time period - trying to find problem

> foods & adding melatonin in, so could be wrong - feels like it with my

> older child tho' & related...details, details, details, ug

> ..wishing you the best answers, elizabeth

>

>

> >

> > she goes crazy with GSE. and tomato sauce.

> > I guess they would be phenol, right?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> My migraine girl only eats granny smith apples - and does feel like

> other apples are tough on everyone (else) in the house, includes the

> toddlers I care for & grandchildren when visiting

>

>

This thread has been interesting to me. I pretty much only eat Granny

apples. My recollection is that cucumbers are high in phenol

and I'm not fond of them either. So I suspect have a problem with

phenols.

Michele

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