Re: Speech, why ASD kids don't use the m sound?

December 22, 2008

It actually does make sense from a sensory perspective.

sensory disorders are unique..some things like that bother

kids...certain noises, smells, textures, etc.

Has there been any luck with Speech Language therapy?

>

> I just discovered something pretty interesting. My son's choice of

> sounds used in words are things like " b " , " d " , " t " , etc. I was saying

> these sounds to myself and noticed all of them are sounds that resonate

> outside of the head. That sounds funny, but now try saying " m " , there

> is a vibration in your head when you say it.

>

> I told my husband about this and he confessed that certain sounds

> bothered him too. He said if people stick their lips together and blow

> making vibration sounds, he can't stand it because it sends vibrations

> all up and down his face.

>

> So I wonder if the way some of our kids speak (or don't speak) is by

> choice not to engage in some kind of sensory overload/annoyance. I

> think a long time ago (perhaps at age 1) my son was saying " mom " , but I

> haven't heard it since then, and he now refuses to say it. He refuses

> to make the " m " sound although he is communicating much better than a

> year ago, has many more words, and understands directions.

>

> Does this make sense to anyone? I wish I knew how to help him.

>

December 22, 2008

The " m " and the " mmmmm " were some of the hardest sounds to master for us. (We

are still back and forth on " mmmmm " ).

From: <elizabethsoliday@...>

Subject: [ ] Speech, why ASD kids don't use the " m " sound?

Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:23 PM

I just discovered something pretty interesting. My son's choice of

sounds used in words are things like " b " , " d " , " t " , etc. I was saying

these sounds to myself and noticed all of them are sounds that resonate

outside of the head. That sounds funny, but now try saying " m " , there

is a vibration in your head when you say it.

I told my husband about this and he confessed that certain sounds

bothered him too. He said if people stick their lips together and blow

making vibration sounds, he can't stand it because it sends vibrations

all up and down his face.

So I wonder if the way some of our kids speak (or don't speak) is by

choice not to engage in some kind of sensory overload/annoyance. I

think a long time ago (perhaps at age 1) my son was saying " mom " , but I

haven't heard it since then, and he now refuses to say it. He refuses

to make the " m " sound although he is communicating much better than a

year ago, has many more words, and understands directions.

Does this make sense to anyone? I wish I knew how to help him.

December 22, 2008

That's funny, until about 8 months ago my daughter called me " Nana "

rather than " Mama " . She started calling me that around 9 months old.

Suddenly after a few rounds of chelation in the summer she could say

her M's and her T's. Now I am " mommy " .

> >

> > I just discovered something pretty interesting. My son's choice

of

> > sounds used in words are things like " b " , " d " , " t " , etc. I was

saying

> > these sounds to myself and noticed all of them are sounds that

resonate

> > outside of the head. That sounds funny, but now try saying " m " ,

there

> > is a vibration in your head when you say it.

> >

> > I told my husband about this and he confessed that certain sounds

> > bothered him too. He said if people stick their lips together and

blow

> > making vibration sounds, he can't stand it because it sends

vibrations

> > all up and down his face.

> >

> > So I wonder if the way some of our kids speak (or don't speak) is

by

> > choice not to engage in some kind of sensory overload/annoyance.

I

> > think a long time ago (perhaps at age 1) my son was saying " mom " ,

but I

> > haven't heard it since then, and he now refuses to say it. He

refuses

> > to make the " m " sound although he is communicating much better

than a

> > year ago, has many more words, and understands directions.

> >

> > Does this make sense to anyone? I wish I knew how to help him.

> >

>

December 22, 2008

wow, I thought we were alone in this. My son reverses his m and n's. Any

tips to overcome? We have been working on this with the speech therapist

for 6 months.

On 12/22/08, michellebondy <myrubygirl@...> wrote:

>

> That's funny, until about 8 months ago my daughter called me " Nana "

> rather than " Mama " . She started calling me that around 9 months old.

> Suddenly after a few rounds of chelation in the summer she could say

> her M's and her T's. Now I am " mommy " .

>

> > >

> > > I just discovered something pretty interesting. My son's choice

> of

> > > sounds used in words are things like " b " , " d " , " t " , etc. I was

> saying

> > > these sounds to myself and noticed all of them are sounds that

> resonate

> > > outside of the head. That sounds funny, but now try saying " m " ,

> there

> > > is a vibration in your head when you say it.

> > >

> > > I told my husband about this and he confessed that certain sounds

> > > bothered him too. He said if people stick their lips together and

> blow

> > > making vibration sounds, he can't stand it because it sends

> vibrations

> > > all up and down his face.

> > >

> > > So I wonder if the way some of our kids speak (or don't speak) is

> by

> > > choice not to engage in some kind of sensory overload/annoyance.

> I

> > > think a long time ago (perhaps at age 1) my son was saying " mom " ,

> but I

> > > haven't heard it since then, and he now refuses to say it. He

> refuses

> > > to make the " m " sound although he is communicating much better

> than a

> > > year ago, has many more words, and understands directions.

> > >

> > > Does this make sense to anyone? I wish I knew how to help him.

> > >

> >

>

December 22, 2008

Yep, Ruby did that too. " Home " was " hone " for a long time. I don't

have any tips unfortunately, she just suddenly started to pronounce

her m's for some reason. The first things I noticed with chelation was

her pronunciation of certain letters improved and improved suddenly.

She is still very, very delayed in speech. Can't speak in sentences,

but very slowly her articulation is improving. It's been slow believe

me!

I wish I had some tips. We have been doing the " declaration speech "

with her lately. You can google it. It's a part of RDI therapy and it

actually works with my daughter. But I have no other advice other than

chelate!

> > > >

> > > > I just discovered something pretty interesting. My son's

choice

> > of

> > > > sounds used in words are things like " b " , " d " , " t " , etc. I was

> > saying

> > > > these sounds to myself and noticed all of them are sounds that

> > resonate

> > > > outside of the head. That sounds funny, but now try saying

" m " ,

> > there

> > > > is a vibration in your head when you say it.

> > > >

> > > > I told my husband about this and he confessed that certain

sounds

> > > > bothered him too. He said if people stick their lips together

and

> > blow

> > > > making vibration sounds, he can't stand it because it sends

> > vibrations

> > > > all up and down his face.

> > > >

> > > > So I wonder if the way some of our kids speak (or don't speak)

is

> > by

> > > > choice not to engage in some kind of sensory

overload/annoyance.

> > I

> > > > think a long time ago (perhaps at age 1) my son was saying

" mom " ,

> > but I

> > > > haven't heard it since then, and he now refuses to say it. He

> > refuses

> > > > to make the " m " sound although he is communicating much better

> > than a

> > > > year ago, has many more words, and understands directions.

> > > >

> > > > Does this make sense to anyone? I wish I knew how to help him.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 22, 2008

One of the things to look for, is if the child can hear the m sound.

Do they understand you when you use words with " m " in it, or do they

misinterpret what you say? Like for my child I would say " put your

sock on the bed " and he would think I said, " put your clock on your

head " or some variation of what I said. So if you find they confuse

words with " m " they may not hear the sound correctly, and that would

be auditory processing.

But understanding and hearing it but not saying it, is something else.

Can be oral based, as in trouble with the muscles in the mouth to form

to make the " m " sounds. Oral aversion, would make a child avoid sounds

that felt uncomfortable to say.

> From: <elizabethsoliday@...>

> Subject: [ ] Speech, why ASD kids don't use the " m " sound?

>

> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:23 PM

>

> I just discovered something pretty interesting. My

son's choice of

>

> sounds used in words are things like " b " , " d " , " t " , etc. I was saying

>

> these sounds to myself and noticed all of them are sounds that resonate

>

> outside of the head. That sounds funny, but now try saying " m " , there

>

> is a vibration in your head when you say it.

>

> I told my husband about this and he confessed that certain sounds

>

> bothered him too. He said if people stick their lips together and blow

>

> making vibration sounds, he can't stand it because it sends vibrations

>

> all up and down his face.

>

> So I wonder if the way some of our kids speak (or don't speak) is by

>

> choice not to engage in some kind of sensory overload/annoyance. I

>

> think a long time ago (perhaps at age 1) my son was saying " mom " , but I

>

> haven't heard it since then, and he now refuses to say it. He refuses

>

> to make the " m " sound although he is communicating much better than a

>

> year ago, has many more words, and understands directions.

>

> Does this make sense to anyone? I wish I knew how to help him.

>

December 22, 2008

Thanks Jan. I like hearing different angles on this. My older son

was just like yours. One time we were laughing at him because my

husband said, " Ask your mom " to him and my son replied, " Askermom?

What's Askermom? " He clearly has auditory processing problems. My

younger son follows directions much more quickly than his older

brother, which makes us think his auditory processing is much better.

What is strange is that his speech has been so much more delayed and

he still uses only certain sounds for making words. He is able to

say " oo " like in " boot " which leads me to believe he is able to use

his mouth muscles, but perhaps avoids making certain sounds for some

reason. My husband and I are trying to help him because he is ready

now and we are all home together on Christmas break.

> > From: <elizabethsoliday@>

> > Subject: [ ] Speech, why ASD kids don't use the " m "

sound?

> >

> > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:23 PM

> >

> > I just discovered something pretty interesting. My

> son's choice of

> >

> > sounds used in words are things like " b " , " d " , " t " , etc. I was

saying

> >

> > these sounds to myself and noticed all of them are sounds that

resonate

> >

> > outside of the head. That sounds funny, but now try saying " m " ,

there

> >

> > is a vibration in your head when you say it.

> >

> > I told my husband about this and he confessed that certain sounds

> >

> > bothered him too. He said if people stick their lips together

and blow

> >

> > making vibration sounds, he can't stand it because it sends

vibrations

> >

> > all up and down his face.

> >

> > So I wonder if the way some of our kids speak (or don't speak) is

by

> >

> > choice not to engage in some kind of sensory overload/annoyance.

I

> >

> > think a long time ago (perhaps at age 1) my son was saying " mom " ,

but I

> >

> > haven't heard it since then, and he now refuses to say it. He

refuses

> >

> > to make the " m " sound although he is communicating much better

than a

> >

> > year ago, has many more words, and understands directions.

> >

> > Does this make sense to anyone? I wish I knew how to help him.

> >

December 23, 2008

Yep, I definitely agree with you there. Pratically with every word, I stress the

beginning and ending sound; I have found that it definitely helps in the end

when I'm doing teaching. I also point to every noun that I'm referring to. (I

just started doing this about 3 months ago and it really helps.)

If you have any advice about adding the noun to the " I want " phrase I would

definitely like to hear it. We have been stuck on this for a long time with

about a 30% success rate.

S.

From: Jan <mercurybabies2@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Speech, why ASD kids don't use the " m " sound?

Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 10:52 PM

One of the things to look for, is if the child can hear the m sound.

Do they understand you when you use words with " m " in it, or do they

misinterpret what you say? Like for my child I would say " put your

sock on the bed " and he would think I said, " put your clock on your

head " or some variation of what I said. So if you find they confuse

words with " m " they may not hear the sound correctly, and that would

be auditory processing.

But understanding and hearing it but not saying it, is something else.

Can be oral based, as in trouble with the muscles in the mouth to form

to make the " m " sounds. Oral aversion, would make a child avoid sounds

that felt uncomfortable to say.

> From: <elizabethsoliday@ ...>

> Subject: [ ] Speech, why ASD kids don't use the " m " sound?

>

> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:23 PM

>

> I just discovered something pretty interesting. My

son's choice of

>

> sounds used in words are things like " b " , " d " , " t " , etc. I was saying

>

> these sounds to myself and noticed all of them are sounds that resonate

>

> outside of the head. That sounds funny, but now try saying " m " , there

>

> is a vibration in your head when you say it.

>

> I told my husband about this and he confessed that certain sounds

>

> bothered him too. He said if people stick their lips together and blow

>

> making vibration sounds, he can't stand it because it sends vibrations

>

> all up and down his face.

>

> So I wonder if the way some of our kids speak (or don't speak) is by

>

> choice not to engage in some kind of sensory overload/annoyance. I

>

> think a long time ago (perhaps at age 1) my son was saying " mom " , but I

>

> haven't heard it since then, and he now refuses to say it. He refuses

>

> to make the " m " sound although he is communicating much better than a

>

> year ago, has many more words, and understands directions.

>

> Does this make sense to anyone? I wish I knew how to help him.

>

December 23, 2008

, it was a PEC book and sentence strips that helped my son

say " I want...(noun) " . The PEC book contained all the pictures of

food, etc. that he may want and in asking for something, he would

have to place the item wanted on the sentence strip and read the

sentence strip to the person he wants something from. He did this

correctly for awhile in early intervention, but then we kind of

tapered down the use of the book during the summer and his use of " I

want... " also stopped. I thought my son had forgotten how to say the

words, but I now realize that the " I want.. " saying behavior went

into extinction (went away) because it was no longer reinforced and

he was able to get what he wanted without saying it. I am taking ABA

courses right now and I realize this is what happened.

Hopefully I can implement some ideas from my classes to get his

speech moving again. We continue to do chelation because there is

obviously a biological reason for the speech delay. I believe both

methods are necessary in my son's case to regain and maintain speech

that is useful and which people can understand. I would like to

minimize the use of PECs, however, because the method is not exactly

practical when you are in environments outside of home and school.

> > From: <elizabethsoliday@ ...>

> > Subject: [ ] Speech, why ASD kids don't use the " m "

sound?

> >

> > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:23 PM

> >

> > I just discovered something pretty interesting. My

> son's choice of

> >

> > sounds used in words are things like " b " , " d " , " t " , etc. I was

saying

> >

> > these sounds to myself and noticed all of them are sounds that

resonate

> >

> > outside of the head. That sounds funny, but now try saying " m " ,

there

> >

> > is a vibration in your head when you say it.

> >

> > I told my husband about this and he confessed that certain sounds

> >

> > bothered him too. He said if people stick their lips together and

blow

> >

> > making vibration sounds, he can't stand it because it sends

vibrations

> >

> > all up and down his face.

> >

> > So I wonder if the way some of our kids speak (or don't speak) is

by

> >

> > choice not to engage in some kind of sensory overload/annoyance.

I

> >

> > think a long time ago (perhaps at age 1) my son was saying " mom " ,

but I

> >

> > haven't heard it since then, and he now refuses to say it. He

refuses

> >

> > to make the " m " sound although he is communicating much better

than a

> >

> > year ago, has many more words, and understands directions.

> >

> > Does this make sense to anyone? I wish I knew how to help him.

> >

December 23, 2008

We did PECS in school but it was eliminated when we started ABA because they

thought she was past that. I creating flash cards now, I think I will recreate

some cards for I Want and see if she picks it up better.

From: <elizabethsoliday@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Speech, why ASD kids don't use the " m " sound?

Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 1:34 PM