Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 he is in need of ZINC! The only thing that stopped my son from licking and eating everything in site was zinc. I gave his weight plus 20 in milligrams. > > Hi Everyone! > My son [ASD - 3yrs old] has an obsessive issue on liking metal, How > can I stop him of doing that, I keep saying " no mouth " but looks like > he NEEDS to put " something " metal in his mouth, I must control this or > fix this....he gets sick very often b/c of getting germs and virus!!. > He came out " surprisely " low in iron so he has been taking iron > supplement for 3 weeks already and this " liking metal issue " is not > getting any better....what else can possible be?!! please HELP!!!!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 He may need zinc. Out of curiosity have you hair-tested him and applied the counting rules? S S chewing metals Posted by: " valicea1977 " vanessa@... valicea1977 Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:54 am (PST) Hi Everyone! My son [ASD - 3yrs old] has an obsessive issue on liking metal, How can I stop him of doing that, I keep saying " no mouth " but looks like he NEEDS to put " something " metal in his mouth, I must control this or fix this....he gets sick very often b/c of getting germs and virus!!. He came out " surprisely " low in iron so he has been taking iron supplement for 3 weeks already and this " liking metal issue " is not getting any better....what else can possible be?!! please HELP!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------ Save for the future with great IRA Funds. Click now! IRA Funds - http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZaqdnyRQW1tG0Xfn7tiQ39n3YvThOp5DWMjTjh5HKgc95\ oO0/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 > > Hi Everyone! > My son [ASD - 3yrs old] has an obsessive issue on liking metal, My son would chew on things when he was eating something not tolerated, and when he had a yeast overgrowth issue. For some kids, it means zinc deficiency. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Thanks for answered! I haven't done the hair test, Do you know any good and reliable lab where to do it? Do you any place in Palm Beach County,Florida?? > > He may need zinc. Out of curiosity have you hair-tested him and applied the counting rules? > S S > > chewing metals > Posted by: " valicea1977 " vanessa@... valicea1977 > Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:54 am (PST) > Hi Everyone! > My son [ASD - 3yrs old] has an obsessive issue on liking metal, How > can I stop him of doing that, I keep saying " no mouth " but looks like > he NEEDS to put " something " metal in his mouth, I must control this or > fix this....he gets sick very often b/c of getting germs and virus!!. > He came out " surprisely " low in iron so he has been taking iron > supplement for 3 weeks already and this " liking metal issue " is not > getting any better....what else can possible be?!! please HELP!!!!!! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Save for the future with great IRA Funds. Click now! > IRA Funds - > http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZaqdnyRQW1tG0Xfn7tiQ39n3YvThOp5DWMjTjh5HKgc95\ oO0/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Thanks for your answered! Do you know of any ZINC good brand [organic/GFCFSF?] How do you know this is not related to any type of oral sensory , he starting doing it when he received his 6 month vaccine! but to some point teething was the only answer i had back then.....well everything started back then...! [sight]! > > > > Hi Everyone! > > My son [ASD - 3yrs old] has an obsessive issue on liking metal, How > > can I stop him of doing that, I keep saying " no mouth " but looks like > > he NEEDS to put " something " metal in his mouth, I must control this or > > fix this....he gets sick very often b/c of getting germs and virus!!. > > He came out " surprisely " low in iron so he has been taking iron > > supplement for 3 weeks already and this " liking metal issue " is not > > getting any better....what else can possible be?!! please HELP!!!!!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Thanks for answering!!! Well...he is on GFCFSF diet.....and he was tested for food allergies....Can't think of something else that he is eating and not be able to tolerate...... I really think is has yeast overgrowth issues b/c of his eye stimming...and sometimes he would giggle for nothing.....I asked his pediatrician to test him for yeast overgrowth but came out normal... My son has been sick with ears infection since he was 5 months old....and always on antibiotics....that's why i still think he has a yeast problem..... I would like to try increasing Zinc for now, what is the appropiate daily amount? If the yeast test came out normal, is safe to try GSE? Thanks!!!!! . > > > > Hi Everyone! > > My son [ASD - 3yrs old] has an obsessive issue on liking metal, > > > My son would chew on things when he was eating something not > tolerated, and when he had a yeast overgrowth issue. For some kids, > it means zinc deficiency. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 if my son weight 37 lbs.....then I should give him 37 times 20 in milligrams means total of: 740 milligrams of ZINC daily? Should I give him half in the morning and half at nigh?? Thanks! > > > > Hi Everyone! > > My son [ASD - 3yrs old] has an obsessive issue on liking metal, How > > can I stop him of doing that, I keep saying " no mouth " but looks like > > he NEEDS to put " something " metal in his mouth, I must control this or > > fix this....he gets sick very often b/c of getting germs and virus!!. > > He came out " surprisely " low in iron so he has been taking iron > > supplement for 3 weeks already and this " liking metal issue " is not > > getting any better....what else can possible be?!! please HELP!!!!!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Order the DDI (Doctor's Data Inc.) hair elements test through DLS (Direct Lab Services) http://www.directlabs.com/. You don't need a doc to order it. If you mention this list they'll give you a discount. The counting rules were specifically created for this test, not ones from other labs. S S Re: chewing metals Posted by: " valicea1977 " vanessa@... valicea1977 Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:36 am (PST) Thanks for answered! I haven't done the hair test, Do you know any good and reliable lab where to do it? Do you any place in Palm Beach County,Florida?? ------------------------------------------------------------ Credit Cards Paying too much credit card interest? Find low APR credit cards. Click here. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZaaK5tAfujLjEuFW4IBDo0iwKViq8DsyqgHJKwQFeY18Q\ fPC/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Is he on probiotics? S S Re: chewing metals Posted by: " valicea1977 " vanessa@... valicea1977 Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:51 am (PST) Thanks for answering!!! Well...he is on GFCFSF diet.....and he was tested for food allergies....Can't think of something else that he is eating and not be able to tolerate...... I really think is has yeast overgrowth issues b/c of his eye stimming...and sometimes he would giggle for nothing.....I asked his pediatrician to test him for yeast overgrowth but came out normal... My son has been sick with ears infection since he was 5 months old....and always on antibiotics....that's why i still think he has a yeast problem..... I would like to try increasing Zinc for now, what is the appropiate daily amount? If the yeast test came out normal, is safe to try GSE? Thanks!!!!! . ------------------------------------------------------------ Airline Tickets Click to find airline tickets for your next trip. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKUayofiYXtPtcO9P9406LFJkFvaoJi2TwnjgzYlwW\ KWU/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 > Thanks for answering!!! > Well...he is on GFCFSF diet.....and he was tested for food > allergies....Can't think of something else that he is eating and not > be able to tolerate...... Tests are only 80% accurate. And if this was only an " allergy " test, it would not have tested for intolerances, so the test might be less accurate than 80%. > I really think is has yeast overgrowth issues b/c of his eye > stimming...and sometimes he would giggle for nothing.....I asked his > pediatrician to test him for yeast overgrowth but came out normal... If yeast is in other areas of the body and not the GI tract, the test may come out as " normal " when in fact he still has a yeast problem. > I would like to try increasing Zinc for now, what is the appropiate > daily amount? The usual maximum dose is child's weight plus 20mg. > If the yeast test came out normal, is safe to try GSE? I would use biotin instead of GSE, if you are not sure, but you can start with one drop GSE, see if that does anything. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Thanks for these info....this is my next step! > > Order the DDI (Doctor's Data Inc.) hair elements test through DLS (Direct Lab Services) http://www.directlabs.com/. You don't need a doc to order it. If you mention this list they'll give you a discount. The counting rules were specifically created for this test, not ones from other labs. > S S > > Re: chewing metals > Posted by: " valicea1977 " vanessa@... valicea1977 > Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:36 am (PST) > Thanks for answered! > I haven't done the hair test, Do you know any good and reliable lab > where to do it? Do you any place in Palm Beach County,Florida?? > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Credit Cards > Paying too much credit card interest? Find low APR credit cards. Click here. > http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZaaK5tAfujLjEuFW4IBDo0iwKViq8DsyqgHJKwQFeY18Q\ fPC/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 No he is not, how probiotics can help? or when is good probiotics? > > > Is he on probiotics? > S S > > Re: chewing metals > Posted by: " valicea1977 " vanessa@... valicea1977 > Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:51 am (PST) > Thanks for answering!!! > Well...he is on GFCFSF diet.....and he was tested for food > allergies....Can't think of something else that he is eating and not > be able to tolerate...... > I really think is has yeast overgrowth issues b/c of his eye > stimming...and sometimes he would giggle for nothing.....I asked his > pediatrician to test him for yeast overgrowth but came out normal... > My son has been sick with ears infection since he was 5 months > old....and always on antibiotics....that's why i still think he has a > yeast problem..... > I would like to try increasing Zinc for now, what is the appropiate > daily amount? > If the yeast test came out normal, is safe to try GSE? > > Thanks!!!!! > . > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Airline Tickets > Click to find airline tickets for your next trip. > http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKUayofiYXtPtcO9P9406LFJkFvaoJi2TwnjgzYlwW\ KWU/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Hi Dana! I opened my eyes so big when I saw the word intolerances!!! How can you tell when a child doesn't tolarate certain food? Dana.... this is what I want to do next with my son: * Hair test!!! * Continue GFCFSF [i must check & learn so I can discover his intolerances] * I'm changing vitamins brand to Super Nu Thera Power Hypoallergenic [he was on a different brand of vitamins....don't see any improve!] * see if this new brand do something with is " metal liking issues " if not i will increase ZINC. * work on the yeast battle! will start with biotin [because I'm not sure] how much of biotin can I give to my child [he weights 38 lbs.- 3 yrs old].........is Biotin a mild way to fight yeast?? Thanks for your help!!!!!! This is so important for me, I need to help my little boy to talk and keep his skills! > > Thanks for answering!!! > > Well...he is on GFCFSF diet.....and he was tested for food > > allergies....Can't think of something else that he is eating and not > > be able to tolerate...... > > > Tests are only 80% accurate. And if this was only an " allergy " test, > it would not have tested for intolerances, so the test might be less > accurate than 80%. > > > > I really think is has yeast overgrowth issues b/c of his eye > > stimming...and sometimes he would giggle for nothing.....I asked his > > pediatrician to test him for yeast overgrowth but came out normal... > > > If yeast is in other areas of the body and not the GI tract, the test > may come out as " normal " when in fact he still has a yeast problem. > > > > I would like to try increasing Zinc for now, what is the appropiate > > daily amount? > > > The usual maximum dose is child's weight plus 20mg. > > > > If the yeast test came out normal, is safe to try GSE? > > > I would use biotin instead of GSE, if you are not sure, but you can > start with one drop GSE, see if that does anything. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 You need to put him on probiotics before you can use gse or anti yeast stuff. Acidophilus that contains 3 billion or more strains and is refrigerated or stabilized is best to use. He'd need that at least once a day. Since he is casein free you need to find a probiotic product that is not made from milk. There are some on iherb.com, and Kirkman I think also sells some made without dairy. With the history of ear infection and antibotic use...I would think yeast is a problem too. In my house ear infections are caused by yeast and we treat them with probiotics and gse. So your on the right path. He needs the probiotics first for two weeks before trying the gse. Zinc, what is his weight? In younger children you can dose at weight plus 20mg. My metal chewing child was 40 pounds took 60mg a day. > > > > > > Is he on probiotics? > > S S > > > > Re: chewing metals > > Posted by: " valicea1977 " vanessa@ valicea1977 > > Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:51 am (PST) > > Thanks for answering!!! > > Well...he is on GFCFSF diet.....and he was tested for food > > allergies....Can't think of something else that he is eating and not > > be able to tolerate...... > > I really think is has yeast overgrowth issues b/c of his eye > > stimming...and sometimes he would giggle for nothing.....I asked his > > pediatrician to test him for yeast overgrowth but came out normal... > > My son has been sick with ears infection since he was 5 months > > old....and always on antibiotics....that's why i still think he has a > > yeast problem..... > > I would like to try increasing Zinc for now, what is the appropiate > > daily amount? > > If the yeast test came out normal, is safe to try GSE? > > > > Thanks!!!!! > > . > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Kirkman should have zinc that meets your requirements. I knew it was not sensory for my son because he stopped doing it when I put him on the zinc. If we stopped his zinc he went back to chewing everything. He of course mouthed and chewed in infancy, but he continued to do this until he was 3 years old, at which point we did a hair test and found him toxic. He had high levels of lead and low zinc on his blood test. We put him on zinc...it stopped it. My son did have sensory problems, including oral sensory, but those involved rejecting foods, medicines, textures, gagging, etc. The excessive chewing or biting/licking of non food stuff...(also known as Pica...seems to be related to lead in some children...lead causes zinc deficiency) Try it, and if it does not help it all...then you can say that maybe it's sensory. But the fact that he chews metals indicates a mineral deficiency. If it were sensory..he's bite everything..or certain fabrics or textured items.... > > > > > > Hi Everyone! > > > My son [ASD - 3yrs old] has an obsessive issue on liking metal, How > > > can I stop him of doing that, I keep saying " no mouth " but looks like > > > he NEEDS to put " something " metal in his mouth, I must control this or > > > fix this....he gets sick very often b/c of getting germs and virus!!. > > > He came out " surprisely " low in iron so he has been taking iron > > > supplement for 3 weeks already and this " liking metal issue " is not > > > getting any better....what else can possible be?!! please HELP!!!!!! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 > Hi Dana! > I opened my eyes so big when I saw the word intolerances!!! > How can you tell when a child doesn't tolarate certain food? Sometimes physical issues, sometimes behavior issues, sometimes both. > * work on the yeast battle! will start with biotin [because I'm not > sure] how much of biotin can I give to my child [he weights 38 lbs.- 3 > yrs old].........is Biotin a mild way to fight yeast?? Depends on your definition of " mild " , but it is what the body uses naturally to control yeast. I started with 400mcg and worked up as required. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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