JAN

[Guest guest]

I couldn't use that low sodium salt at all--I felt awful on it.

Gracia

> That is what I've been using, I use a mixture of non-iodized light

> salt (50% sodium, 50% potassium) and the kosher/sea salt, no iodine

> added. The first one I put in foods for the whole family, and I use

> the second one to add to my plate. Light is a convenient way to

> supplement potassium, but when I was using just that the edema was

> even worse.

>

> Jan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe this is something to look at the low sodium ??

-- In hypothyroidism , " Gracia " <circe@g...> wrote:

>

> I couldn't use that low sodium salt at all--I felt awful on it.

> Gracia

>

> > That is what I've been using, I use a mixture of non-iodized

light

> > salt (50% sodium, 50% potassium) and the kosher/sea salt, no

iodine

> > added. The first one I put in foods for the whole family, and I

use

> > the second one to add to my plate. Light is a convenient way to

> > supplement potassium, but when I was using just that the edema

was

> > even worse.

> >

> > Jan

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I wish I could find the info --but when we where looking at why the

conversion problem we found the adrenal gland is the underlying

problem--it causes the conversion problem, not the other way around.

was the one who started me on this hunt way back in June I

think it was.

> > The $ynthroid insert says to rule out adrenal problems BEFORE

> administering

> > thyroid hormones.

> >

> > Val in Boulder, CO

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: janjv1311 [mailto:janaina@v...]

> >

> > She said that I might

> > have a problem from undertreated hypothyroid though, so she wants

to

> > get that under control first, then test. She said if she tested an

> > undertreated thyroid patient, whose tests are bad as mine (she

> agrees

> > 4.0 TSH is bad - gotta love her!), many times it would show low

> > adrenal hormones, but once the thyroid were working right, the

> levels

> > would be back up to normal.

[Guest guest]

well that is common. IMO don't get too hung up on diseases, just look at

the big picture. Autoimmune =adrenal insufficiency to me. Adrenal

treatment is just not well understood, maybe because so many hormones are

involved, besides cortisol. I love my cortef.

Gracia

> I've developed a theory here: what if my adrenals are doing a sort of

> too much/too little cortisol dance?

>

> In the beginning of my Hashi's, I had hyper symptoms sometimes.

> Suppose that I have adrenal antibodies and the same thing is

> happening?

>

> Jan

>

[Guest guest]

I had a ton of leg cramps before it, I guess I needed the potassium.

Jan

>

> I couldn't use that low sodium salt at all--I felt awful on it.

> Gracia

>

> > That is what I've been using, I use a mixture of non-iodized

light

> > salt (50% sodium, 50% potassium) and the kosher/sea salt, no

iodine

> > added. The first one I put in foods for the whole family, and I

use

> > the second one to add to my plate. Light is a convenient way to

> > supplement potassium, but when I was using just that the edema

was

> > even worse.

> >

> > Jan

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

A-ha!

So my tests are gonna show an adrenal problem, I guess.

I wonder if my adrenal problem is transitory, though. I am in a very

toxic situation in my life right now, living with my mother. Let's

just say that I have to find myself repeating " She is gonna die one

day, she is gonna die one day... " as a mantra to make it bearable

most of the time. She is a ranting raving lunatic most of the time,

and I am always on a high-adrenaline state waiting for the next

outburst. This is also when the adrenal symptoms started. Maybe

getting rid of her will fix them.

Either way, I am asking her to move out tomorrow, which will probably

mean even more rants for a while, but it might fix my adrenal problem.

Jan

> > > The $ynthroid insert says to rule out adrenal problems BEFORE

> > administering

> > > thyroid hormones.

> > >

> > > Val in Boulder, CO

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: janjv1311 [mailto:janaina@v...]

> > >

> > > She said that I might

> > > have a problem from undertreated hypothyroid though, so she

wants

> to

> > > get that under control first, then test. She said if she tested

an

> > > undertreated thyroid patient, whose tests are bad as mine (she

> > agrees

> > > 4.0 TSH is bad - gotta love her!), many times it would show low

> > > adrenal hormones, but once the thyroid were working right, the

> > levels

> > > would be back up to normal.

[Guest guest]

At least this doctor understands that if you are autoimmune, it is

worth checking every single gland in your body, instead of dismissing

me as hypochondriac...

Jan

>

> well that is common. IMO don't get too hung up on diseases, just

look at

> the big picture. Autoimmune =adrenal insufficiency to me. Adrenal

> treatment is just not well understood, maybe because so many

hormones are

> involved, besides cortisol. I love my cortef.

> Gracia

>

> > I've developed a theory here: what if my adrenals are doing a

sort of

> > too much/too little cortisol dance?

> >

> > In the beginning of my Hashi's, I had hyper symptoms sometimes.

> > Suppose that I have adrenal antibodies and the same thing is

> > happening?

> >

> > Jan

> >

[Guest guest]

LOL my mother is the same but she has the same adrenal problems I have. She

is a rant and raver because of adrenals. Maybe you should both get better

hormones instead. I thought your health history sounded adrenal from early

on, but maybe I am confusing you with someone else.

Gracia

> A-ha!

>

> So my tests are gonna show an adrenal problem, I guess.

>

> I wonder if my adrenal problem is transitory, though. I am in a very

> toxic situation in my life right now, living with my mother. Let's

> just say that I have to find myself repeating " She is gonna die one

> day, she is gonna die one day... " as a mantra to make it bearable

> most of the time. She is a ranting raving lunatic most of the time,

> and I am always on a high-adrenaline state waiting for the next

> outburst. This is also when the adrenal symptoms started. Maybe

> getting rid of her will fix them.

>

> Either way, I am asking her to move out tomorrow, which will probably

> mean even more rants for a while, but it might fix my adrenal problem.

>

> Jan

>

>

>

> > > > The $ynthroid insert says to rule out adrenal problems BEFORE

> > > administering

> > > > thyroid hormones.

> > > >

> > > > Val in Boulder, CO

> > > >

> > > > -----Original Message-----

> > > > From: janjv1311 [mailto:janaina@v...]

> > > >

> > > > She said that I might

> > > > have a problem from undertreated hypothyroid though, so she

> wants

> > to

> > > > get that under control first, then test. She said if she tested

> an

> > > > undertreated thyroid patient, whose tests are bad as mine (she

> > > agrees

> > > > 4.0 TSH is bad - gotta love her!), many times it would show low

> > > > adrenal hormones, but once the thyroid were working right, the

> > > levels

> > > > would be back up to normal.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, I have lots of adrenal symptoms from my early teens, which would

make it compatible with CAH, I think it was?

My mom doesn't have any hormonal issues though, just had a full panel

(her HRT doc orders the whole thing, adrenal, thyroid, etc.) and it

is all perfect. I'd kill for her test results... What she has is an

alcoholism problem. Not that she was a nice and sweet person before

that, but she was tolerable. She ran herself into a giant debt and

just starts drinking at 8am everyday. She moved in with me because

she was broke - actually, my husband and I moved cities to live where

she lived, cause she hated where we lived and we couldn't afford to

keep sending her rent money and paying our own rent, basically

supporting 2 households. But right now, I'd rather live with even

less money paying a second rent for her than living with her.

Jan

> > > > > The $ynthroid insert says to rule out adrenal problems

BEFORE

> > > > administering

> > > > > thyroid hormones.

> > > > >

> > > > > Val in Boulder, CO

> > > > >

> > > > > -----Original Message-----

> > > > > From: janjv1311 [mailto:janaina@v...]

> > > > >

> > > > > She said that I might

> > > > > have a problem from undertreated hypothyroid though, so she

> > wants

> > > to

> > > > > get that under control first, then test. She said if she

tested

> > an

> > > > > undertreated thyroid patient, whose tests are bad as mine

(she

> > > > agrees

> > > > > 4.0 TSH is bad - gotta love her!), many times it would show

low

> > > > > adrenal hormones, but once the thyroid were working right,

the

> > > > levels

> > > > > would be back up to normal.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey Jan,

I am sorry for your situation.You know it is very true what they

say,..you can pick your nose but you can't pick your family.....My

" mother " was an alcoholic and finally had to let her go until she got

herself together because she was making my life VERY difficult.Sometime

you have to save YOURSELF to save others....Take care of you and let

your mom worry about how she is going to take care of herself or she

will never leave so you can have your own life.....sorry if I am to

personal..just been there,done that,....

Deneen:)

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Deneen. Not too personal at all.

Actually I think this tough love kind of approach might be the kick

she needs to change her life. If not, then I'd rather remember her

when she was still herself than have to deal with what I have to see

everyday now. Besides, the finances are another problem. She ran

herself into the debt and the more she has, the more she spends. I've

just sold my house so I finally have some savings, and I am pretty

sure she is gonna bleed me dry until I don't have a retirement fund

anymore. I can't let that happen. There is never enough money for

her, she is in total denial, and I have to be frugal cause this is

the money I need to retire in the future, and also a nest egg cause I

wanna TTC next year and it is not possible at my current financial

situation after living with her (I usually have around $10 in my bank

account, cause as soon as the money is in, it is already spent). S

Anyway, tomorrow I will have the money to buy her new appliances (she

was living in a furnished place before we moved here, so we only have

my fridge, stove, etc. and she is gonna need new ones) so she can

move out. It is gonna be hell until she actually does move, but what

can I do?

Jan

> Hey Jan,

> I am sorry for your situation.You know it is very true what they

> say,..you can pick your nose but you can't pick your family.....My

> " mother " was an alcoholic and finally had to let her go until she

got

> herself together because she was making my life VERY

difficult.Sometime

> you have to save YOURSELF to save others....Take care of you and let

> your mom worry about how she is going to take care of herself or she

> will never leave so you can have your own life.....sorry if I am to

> personal..just been there,done that,....

> Deneen:)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tina,

I was NOT trying to call the information my own. But if you read 2-3

articles a day for 8 years, you cannot always know where you read a

particular info. I had to go look it up on the net after this whole

thing happened to remember where I'd read it years ago... I did back

it up. This is not an issue of plagiarism. How on earth could the

information be my own? I am not a doctor, and as my new disclaimer

states, did not conduct studies myself. So the information might be

from ANYONE ELSE in the world, but it is DEFINITELY not my own.

What if I had gotten that information from my doctor? Then I couldn't

ever mention it here, because I don't have the online source to back

it up? Do you see how crazy this argument is becoming? Each post here

is being judged as if it were a Ph.D. thesis in endocrinology.

I joined the group to hear about people's experiences, even when they

can't " back it up " with references to a book. I enjoy hearing about

what they have learned after years of living with this disease, from

articles, books, their docs, and from themselves. If the group is

just to exchange links to articles, it is not interesting to me. I am

very capable of doing my own searches, without the need for a

group. I thought this was supposed to be discussion.

My post was about a friend who had RAI and weighs 190lb and has

several symptoms, who has been on 100mcg Synthroid since her surgery.

I doubt anybody would read such a post and think " Ok, I am gonna take

my bodyweight in Synthroid! " . I mean, if people can read DR. SHAMES,

who is a DOCTOR, say that the bodyweight is a rough guideline for

dosage, and NOT decide to up their dosages because of that (well, I

am guessing here, since nobody has sued him or Shomon, and that

info has been there for years), why would reading a post written by

ME saying the same thing convince anyone to do it? Do you see my

point here? It is crazy to imagine anyone would be so stupid as to do

that.

Maybe it is a cultural difference here. After all, in the US people

do sue Mc's for making them fat, I guess there could be someone

out there who might take *implied* medical advice by a person who is

*not* a doctor on a *newsgroup*...

If that is the case, then ANY post here is dangerous medical advice.

If I say " I am on 75mcg Synthroid and 25mcg " , then I could be

*implying* that other people should take the same dosage. If I say " I

see an endo, not a rheumatologist " , I am *implying* that people

should stop seeing their rheumatologists. So everything anyone posts

here is dangerous medical advice.

I am not angry at you or Chuck or anyone else, I am AMAZED. Baffled.

Shocked. I do understand your point. You two think that there should

be very careful guidelines for posting. I understand that. I just

don't see how anybody who is not a doctor and who doesn't only paste

articles can meet these standards.

Jan

> Jan you must understand that you were quoting figures not your

> opinion. People questioned your source and the substance as they

> disagreed with the facts you stated.

>

> You never told anyone to take more meds but it was inferred to take

> more according to your weight. Many here disagreed with this

> statement. When you take a position you have to be prepared to back

> it up. Instead you went off , if you had posted the link and or

> copied the info, the others would have went nuts with (or

> whoever wrote that) and not with you.

>

> We can't believe everything we read with this illness because so

much

> of it contradicts itself. And what works for some might be very

> dangerous for others. And that was Chuck's point. If he went by

> weight than he himself would be overdosing.

>

> I think this was a very good thread to bring up the only problem is

> you were trying to call it your own when it was from another

author,

> that is why others jumped on you. Even if it's from a memory if you

> didn't write it and you are quoting you have to be prepared for

> questions.

>

> I get this all the time, you don't see me taking it to heart.

> Everyone is sensitive because of this illness, many here are in

pain.

> I don't even have thyroid problems and I am in pain, we all are.

That

> is why we are here to support each other.

>

> also had his problems and I guess he had them at other boards

as

> well. We really are not hear to judge someone and I do feel bad

that

> he left as sick as he was too. This group has no moderator and that

> is the way I like it, no one should be above anyone else. We should

> all be free to say what we want and ask any questions. It's the

only

> way to get to the consensus.

>

> No one wants anyone to leave. It's best to just stop criticizing

> Chuck and understand what he is trying to say. Your anger is

blocking

> you from seeing his point. Take a deep breath and reread the posts

> you will see that he was just trying to understand your statements,

> he was not after you. No one else is after you either, we all want

to

> try and use our knowledge and resources to help others with what we

> have learned on our own journey with this and other illnesses.

>

> I hope you both come to a understanding of some kind, because I

do

> enjoy the posts!!!!

>

> tina

[Guest guest]

> " I do understand your point. You two think that there should

> be very careful guidelines for posting. I understand that. I just

> don't see how anybody who is not a doctor and who doesn't only paste

> articles can meet these standards. "

>

> For the last time you quoted figures for people taking drugs--all

you

> had to do was say, this was from 's site and or this is from my

> memory--people called you on it and they have questions. So yes I

> would like to learn more myself and would like to read it as well.

>

> If anyone finds this I would like to read it.

>

> tina

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the last blank message, made a mistake.

Tina, if I had posted a whole topic called " Guideline for Synthroid

Dosages based on Weight " , then yes, I'd probably have mentioned and

might even have pasted the article, and the source. Instead, my post

was about how " doing fine " is a relative concept. In that post, I

casually mentioned that I thought my friend was undermedicated, and

used this guideline that I had read many years ago and memorized to

subsidized my suspicion. I had not just read it, so I didn't even

remember where it came from. When people asked where that was from, I

went and researched and found the reference I'd read at 's site.

Sheila was kind enough to type out the reference from Dr. Shames'

book here, for all to read, as well.

I thought that after Sheila had typed it, nobody would need the

links, but now I am gonna paste it here, so that everyone can read

it. I did not refuse to back up what I had said, I quoted the source

as soon as anyone asked me too. I am just saying that I am not gonna

quote the source of everything I post. Nobody does. You didn't, on

your estrogen dominance post, asked for your source, you then

provided it. That is how it usually works. The difference here is

didn't brand you as an " irresponsible " poster, and instead

probably thought that you are a valuable contributor to this group.

I certainly think that you are, at least. Also, no other poster

jumped in to say that you were " trying to pass off the estrogen

dominance information as your own " .

This is the specific article where *I* learned this guideline, from

Dr. Shames, on 's site, as I had previously stated:

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/shamestsh.htm

Jan

> " I do understand your point. You two think that there should

> be very careful guidelines for posting. I understand that. I just

> don't see how anybody who is not a doctor and who doesn't only paste

> articles can meet these standards. "

>

> For the last time you quoted figures for people taking drugs--all

you

> had to do was say, this was from 's site and or this is from my

> memory--people called you on it and they have questions. So yes I

> would like to learn more myself and would like to read it as well.

>

> If anyone finds this I would like to read it.

>

> tina

[Guest guest]

Oh go back I did post the link, Val did not see it---but this does

not matter--both info on estrogen's and progesterone are on the same

site. And if you opened it anyone would have seen it, but I too did

not say to Val I already did, I just posted it again. I don't expect

everyone to open everything and I don't expect everyone to see things

the same way, we are all different, which is why we all ask questions

because we don't always get it.

I didn't jump to conclusions and yell at Val, hey I posted that

already, I just did it again and go about my merry way into finding

out how to beat this terrible illness. That is all I am here for!!!!

not to fight with anyone!!!!!

If you went and looked at any old posts from Chuck, and I we

have had a good run at it with distilled water!!! We all continued on

discussing other topics !!!! So lets continue on and thanks for

getting me that info!!!!!!!! tina

- In hypothyroidism , " janjv1311 " <janaina@v...> wrote:

> Sorry for the last blank message, made a mistake.

>

> Tina, if I had posted a whole topic called " Guideline for Synthroid

> Dosages based on Weight " , then yes, I'd probably have mentioned and

> might even have pasted the article, and the source. Instead, my

post

> was about how " doing fine " is a relative concept. In that post, I

> casually mentioned that I thought my friend was undermedicated, and

> used this guideline that I had read many years ago and memorized to

> subsidized my suspicion. I had not just read it, so I didn't even

> remember where it came from. When people asked where that was from,

I

> went and researched and found the reference I'd read at 's

site.

> Sheila was kind enough to type out the reference from Dr. Shames'

> book here, for all to read, as well.

>

> I thought that after Sheila had typed it, nobody would need the

> links, but now I am gonna paste it here, so that everyone can read

> it. I did not refuse to back up what I had said, I quoted the

source

> as soon as anyone asked me too. I am just saying that I am not

gonna

> quote the source of everything I post. Nobody does. You didn't, on

> your estrogen dominance post, asked for your source, you

then

> provided it. That is how it usually works. The difference here is

> didn't brand you as an " irresponsible " poster, and instead

> probably thought that you are a valuable contributor to this

group.

> I certainly think that you are, at least. Also, no other poster

> jumped in to say that you were " trying to pass off the estrogen

> dominance information as your own " .

>

> This is the specific article where *I* learned this guideline, from

> Dr. Shames, on 's site, as I had previously stated:

>

> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/shamestsh.htm

>

> Jan

>

>

>

>

> > " I do understand your point. You two think that there should

> > be very careful guidelines for posting. I understand that. I just

> > don't see how anybody who is not a doctor and who doesn't only

paste

> > articles can meet these standards. "

> >

> > For the last time you quoted figures for people taking drugs--all

> you

> > had to do was say, this was from 's site and or this is from

my

> > memory--people called you on it and they have questions. So yes I

> > would like to learn more myself and would like to read it as well.

> >

> > If anyone finds this I would like to read it.

> >

> > tina

[Guest guest]

I have the same mother Jan, only mine was always unstable and crazy and used

alcohol to mask the symptoms. And my mother wasted a huge inheritance, and

never even told me who my real father was until a few years ago. She has

left her children a destructive legacy of pain, and I am convinced it is all

adrenal. There was a paper posted here recently from the hypoglycemia

association about adrenals and alcoholism, referring to Dr. Tinterra's work.

Blood tests will never show adrenal problems. My mother was just in the

hospital with classic hypoadrenal symptoms--needless to say she did not get

appropriate treatment and will be dead soon.

GRacia

> No, I have lots of adrenal symptoms from my early teens, which would

> make it compatible with CAH, I think it was?

>

> My mom doesn't have any hormonal issues though, just had a full panel

> (her HRT doc orders the whole thing, adrenal, thyroid, etc.) and it

> is all perfect. I'd kill for her test results... What she has is an

> alcoholism problem.

[Guest guest]

I think alcoholism and wasting money go together - all self-

destructive behaviors, really.

Mine has never told me about my real father either, except my other

relatives have. She is extremely proud and can't deal with the idea

that any men would ever have left her, like he did. I never wanted to

meet him or anything; she got married when I was 3 and my stepdad

adopted me. He is my father as far as I am concerned. But I was

curious about my genetic inheritance. Well, apparently he was

overweight (thanks for that, mom - as if your entire family being

obese weren't enough... LOL) and he was a mathematician. I sort of

suck at math, so I don't know. I am smarter than my mother though, so

I must have inherited some IQ at least.

My mother has always eaten very little, and that could be adrenal,

right? She doesn't have dark circles, poor sleep, or any other

symptom I can think of.

Jan

>

> I have the same mother Jan, only mine was always unstable and crazy

and used

> alcohol to mask the symptoms. And my mother wasted a huge

inheritance, and

> never even told me who my real father was until a few years ago.

She has

> left her children a destructive legacy of pain, and I am convinced

it is all

> adrenal. There was a paper posted here recently from the

hypoglycemia

> association about adrenals and alcoholism, referring to Dr.

Tinterra's work.

> Blood tests will never show adrenal problems. My mother was just

in the

> hospital with classic hypoadrenal symptoms--needless to say she

did not get

> appropriate treatment and will be dead soon.

> GRacia

>

> > No, I have lots of adrenal symptoms from my early teens, which

would

> > make it compatible with CAH, I think it was?

> >

> > My mom doesn't have any hormonal issues though, just had a full

panel

> > (her HRT doc orders the whole thing, adrenal, thyroid, etc.) and

it

> > is all perfect. I'd kill for her test results... What she has is

an

> > alcoholism problem.

[Guest guest]

What do dark circles around the eyes mean from childhood? My neice and nephew

both look like they have black eyes all the time even worse when they're tires

or sick.Kept forgetting to ask that.

Thank's,

Shirl

----- Original Message -----

From: janjv1311

.

My mother has always eaten very little, and that could be adrenal,

right? She doesn't have dark circles, poor sleep, or any other

symptom I can think of.

Jan

[Guest guest]

People say it is an adrenal problem. Gets worse when you have

allergies or the flu or something.

I've had them constantly since I was around 6, also the age where the

sinus infections started. The doctors just say " they are caused by

the sinus infections " , but all that I have read on adrenal

disfunction says they go together with sinus infections, not are

caused by them. I have family members that have sinus infections so

serious they've had surgery and who don't have dark circles. So I am

inclined to believe this info.

Jan

> What do dark circles around the eyes mean from childhood? My neice

and nephew both look like they have black eyes all the time even

worse when they're tires or sick.Kept forgetting to ask that.

> Thank's,

> Shirl

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: janjv1311

> .

>

> My mother has always eaten very little, and that could be

adrenal,

> right? She doesn't have dark circles, poor sleep, or any other

> symptom I can think of.

>

> Jan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

I am 75% Italian, but I saw a dermatologist and she told me the type

of dark circles people get from being Mediterranean are not the kind

I have. The type you get from ethnic background is a brownish/olive

hyperpigmentation on the skin, that responds to laser treatment. I

have 2 friends, one Greek and one Portuguese, who had those and had

the treatment. That kind also comes with a darker eyelid, to form a

whole " raccoon " look.

Mine are purplish/bluish under the eye only. My eyelid is not

hyperpigmented at all. It is the typical " I pulled an all-nighter "

dark circle. The doctor said that it is poor circulation under my

skin, and no dermatological treatments can do a thing. She then asked

if I had sinus problems, and said that they were common in people

with sinus infections.

Jan

> Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to that question

> too, Shirl.

>

> I've had dark circles under my eyes since I was a

> little girl...get worse when tired or sick like your

> niece and nephew. My mom has always been the same way.

> My mom is full-blooded Italian...we just always

> chalked it up to being an Italian thing.

>

> Wonder what it is??? Sheila

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the compliments. :-)

The kind of circle that gets better/gets worse is the circulation

kind. Also, when you wear concealer, do you need to do the eyelid as

well? If you don't, then it is definitely the kind connected to

allergies.

Jan

> Hello, BTW, I saw the pic already on the thyroiditis

> site of you and your hubby. The first thing I thought

> when I saw you was that you looked Italian...I even

> mentioned it to my husband...told him you were from

> Brazil but maybe you were born in Italy.

>

> You two are so beautiful...very sharp together!!!

>

> You'll have to look at my pics and tell me what you

> think about my dark circles...if it's from ethnicity

> or illness. I can't remember how I looked in those

> pics. I'll have to check. Sometimes the circles are

> much more visible than other times. I'll have to post

> a pic of me where you can see them really good. In the

> pic of me by myself, I'm wearing TONS of concealer to

> hide the circles.

>

> The pic of me and my hubby, I'm just wearing a little

> mascera and eyeshadow.

>

> interesting about the sinus aspect. I've never really

> had sinus problems...occasional...nothing major.

>

> Take care...you'll have to post your pics on this site

> too!!!! And Tina, you'll have to put your pics you

> sent to me on our site as well.

>

> Come on guys...there are two other pics posted...they

> were there for awhile...don't know what they're about.

> I don't wanna be the only one now!!!!

>

> Thanks, sheila

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If they get worse when you have the flu, or are tired, it is a blood

circulation problem, not a pigmentation on the skin. If it were just

the skin, they'd be the same color always.

Jan

> Hi Jan, Yes, I wear a white base on my eyelids as a

> concealer.

>

> What do you mean when you say when they get

> better/worse it's a " circulation " kind??? Thanks!

> Sheila

[Guest guest]

> Hi Jan! so...you're addicted to bananas and

> mangoes...eh!!! LOL!

>

> why do you no longer eat bananas and mangoes? Too many

> carbs?

>

> I used to consume sweets like you wouldn't believe.

> Now I can be around people eating sweets all day &

> that's cool.

>

Sheila! Is the low carbing that got you to where you're not addicted

to sweets anymore??? It's my drug of choice (chocolate). lol

Ella

[Guest guest]

When I am in ketosis, I could

> spend all my carb on onions.

>

> Jan

LOL Isn't ketosis awesome? )

Ella

[Guest guest]

I love it. I am a ketosis-aholic.

Although when not in ketosis, I can eat sugar-free chocolate. So they

both have their advantages. ;-)

Jan

> When I am in ketosis, I could

> > spend all my carb on onions.

> >

> > Jan

>

> LOL Isn't ketosis awesome? )

>

> Ella