Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 In a message dated 1/30/2006 8:11:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, aprow@... writes: > From: aprow@... > Reply-to: > > > > What is C Diff???? > > Ann > C-diff is a bacteria that produces spores. According to the articles I've read, it's present in 15-20% of people, in their GI tract, dormant. It's also passed from person to person, hand to mouth. There have been outbreaks of it in hospitals and nursing homes more frequently in recent years, and a drug-resistant strain has been identified. It's usually treated with Flagyl or Vancomycin. A person can become vulnerable to C-diff getting the upper hand in their GI tract when antibiotics wipe out the good bacteria lining the colon. That's why it's so important to take good probiotics and watch your diet. A dr. told me that in Europe in nursing homes they use straws that are lined with probiotics and there are fewer cases as a result. It's nothing to mess around with. Some people who have been told they have IBS actually have C-diff. C-diff puts off toxins and can cause fever, diarrhea, abdominal pain, nausea, dehydration, hospitalization. A person can develop colitis. C-diff is tested for by stool samples, and it can take a few days to get results. Taking immodium or lomotil to curb diarrhea when it's caused by C-diff isn't good, because then the toxins aren't expelled. But in those few days before a diagnosis of C-diff is made, a person can get very dehydrated. It's a hard call. My Lyme dr. said at the beginning of treatment not to let diarrhea go for more than a day or two without contacting him. Sorry if this seems too graphic or alarming. I don't mean to scare anyone. I believe in antibiotic tx for LD, but I'm surprised that more education isn't done re: c-diff, especially among people with Lyme Disease. I've been reading about LD for over a year, and haven't heard it discussed, even though I've known it's important to be on probiotics. So I'm just passing on a little of what I've learned recently so that others can be aware. An ounce of prevention..... ashbreeze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Buddy, inulin added to the food has curbed C-diff in the elderly population. Duncan > > Hello all, > > Does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with C-dff in a geriatric > population? My wife works at a nursing home, and they've been having > issues with this for months. I think the MDs are open to natural > therapy alternatives because the meds arent working at all. This is a > chance to educated them, so I want to make sure I have as much > information as I can. > > I know high dose probiotics will be a good start, but was wondering if > there were any special considerations for this population. > > Thanks, > > Buddy > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Here's the research, Buddy: Zh Mikrobiol Epidemiol Immunobiol. 2003 Jul-Aug;(4):85-8.Links [Evaluation of the effect of medicines on biological properties of Clostridium difficile][Article in Russian] Valyshev AV, Kirillov DA, Pan'kov AS, Pruss VF, Bukharin OV. Institute of Cellular and Intracellular Symbiosis, Orenburg, Russia. The presence of the persistence factors (anti-lysozyme and anti- complement activity) in the vegetative forms of C. difficile was experimentally proved. The effect of different medicines (vitamins B1, B6 and C, prebiotic inulin, probiotics Bifidumbacterin and Enterol) on the persistence factors of C. difficile and microbial resistance to vancomycin, thienam, lincomycin, clindamycin was evaluated. The anti-lysozyme and anti-complement activity of C. difficile was found to decrease under the influence of vitamins B1, B6, C, inulin, exometabolites of bifidobacteria. Under the impact of the preparations used in this study changes in the sensitivity of C. difficile to antibiotics of the lincoamide, carbapenem, glycopeptide groups were found to occur. The data obtained reveal one of the possible mechanisms of the corrective action of the medicines under study on the intestinal microbiocenosis in patients with antibiotic- associated colitis. PMID: 12966888 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > > Hello all, > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with C-dff in a > geriatric > > population? My wife works at a nursing home, and they've been > having > > issues with this for months. I think the MDs are open to natural > > therapy alternatives because the meds arent working at all. This > is a > > chance to educated them, so I want to make sure I have as much > > information as I can. > > > > I know high dose probiotics will be a good start, but was wondering > if > > there were any special considerations for this population. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Buddy > > > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I had C-diff 10 years ago unrelated to Lyme - I had not taken antibiotics and am not sure how I got it - I also had Giardia at the same time. I had the runs for 11 days and was 8 months pregnant. I lost 15 lbs in that many days and could not eat or drink anything without it going thru me. My gastroenterologist dx'd me and he put me on Questran (?) and something else I cant remember, but I can look it up if I have to. I am afraid of getting it now also but am hoping the probiotics will prevent that. I did not have it again in the last 10 years. I hope you have a good gastro Dr who will help you through this and hopefully you will get better sooner than later -Pat New Jersey **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thanks Pat.....This is no walk in the park I appreciate hearing about your experience. PS Highly unlikely your son's learning disability came from your c-diff treatment.....the percentages of children with one or another learning disability are SO high (both of mine, for example, one of whom had perfect nutrition and the other awful nutrition in an orphanage in China--both with quirky learning issues.) Caughman www.adoptivefamilies.com www.additudemag.com <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=7384/grpspId=1705106012/msgId=79 670/stime=1225403910/nc1=5191951/nc2=5191946/nc3=3848643> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Cdiff is definitely no walk in the park. Some people are lucky & get away with a few weeks or so of treatment; others are not so lucky. For me I was extremely ill for 3 months - lost 30 pounds in that time. I was initially in Flagyl for 6 weeks & then when my feet went numb was switched to Vancomycin. My GI PA (don't get me started on why it was a PA!) put me on Questran briefly but it was an overdose & after going through those side effects I was not about to try it again! I started tapering off the Vanco on my own in the spring & finished with it in June of 2007. I know that anyone who has had Cdiff is very prone to getting it again which is why I don't want to take abx for anything, including Lyme. Yes, Lyme can be terrible, but so is Cdiff. Caughman wrote: > > Thanks Pat.....This is no walk in the park I appreciate hearing about > your experience. > > > PS Highly unlikely your son's learning disability came from your c-diff > treatment.....the percentages of children with one or another learning > disability are SO high (both of mine, for example, one of whom had perfect > nutrition and the other awful nutrition in an orphanage in China--both > with > quirky learning issues.) > > Caughman > www.adoptivefamilies.com > www.additudemag.com > > <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=7384/grpspId=1705106012/msgId=79 > <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=7384/grpspId=1705106012/msgId=79> > 670/stime=1225403910/nc1=5191951/nc2=5191946/nc3=3848643> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Good morning everyone. I was wondering if anyone has had experience clearing c-diff. My daughter is on flagyl and it has been almost a week and no change. Call in to llmd, but while I wait for a call back any information or support is appreciated. It took about 3 weeks before she was diagnosed. She has just a slight fever (98.7 rather than her normal 97.0). I am so worried for her. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 likeaspeckofpepper sandsure@..., My daughters had c-diff to many times to count. She was really immune compromised at the the time though so probably not close to the same circumstances. Ive heard that many people with Lyme get C-diff though. The best thing to do is continue the Flagyl, she sometimes had to take it for 4-6 weeks or longer. In the meantime, keep her hydrated so she doesnt end up hospitalized for dehydration which can easily happen. If you cant get enough water in her a day, make sure you are making sure she gets Pedialyte they have liquid to drink and even popsicles now. I dont know how old your daughter is but if she is young and still in diapers be very, very careful to clean her and stool up completely, if shes older stress to her that she wash her hands really really good every time. Also make sure you clean up the bathroom. I usually did it once or twice if needed daily wash down of all bathrooms with Bleach type wipes to kill anything that may be lingering around. Its very contagious for the rest of the family, friends, visitors, etc plus could be given back to her from others that have heathly immune systems that may be carrying it but have no symptoms.. Each time my daughter was hospitalized for this she was on a no contact precaution. No visitors allowed, anyone going in or out of the room, family, nurses and Drs all had to gown up with gloves every time and her diapers had to be disposed of in a special way. Try not to worry, as long as you keep her on the Flagyl and keep her hydrated, she should recover without any problem. If you have any other questions, feel free to email me. B. ________________________________ From: likeaspeckofpepper <sandsure@...> Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 2:56:01 AM Subject: [ ] c-diff  Good morning everyone. I was wondering if anyone has had experience clearing c-diff. My daughter is on flagyl and it has been almost a week and no change. Call in to llmd, but while I wait for a call back any information or support is appreciated. It took about 3 weeks before she was diagnosed. She has just a slight fever (98.7 rather than her normal 97.0). I am so worried for her. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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