Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Dear , He should be using a funnel on the kidney while he is in the sauna for maximum effect. I don't know where those naturopaths got their educations. I am surprised by their attitudes. They don't sound very naturopathic. Ozone will repair whatever is wrong with the kidney and make it as good as new. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Tell him to keep all his parts. There are no parts that should be jettisoned for convenience, or fear of unknown consequences. Fix everything where it exists, in situ. There is no other naturopathic way. Everything in health comes down to cleansing and nutrition. If he gets both of them, he will turn back the clock and heal his body. Make sure he is taking flax oil and quark daily. Of course it is important not to put more toxins into the body. This is his chance to make a fresh start. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman ----Original Message Follows---- From: Doedens <earth@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: Re: Surgery Causes Metastasis Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:20:47 +0100 Dear Saul, Like I pointed out in earlier posts, my acquaintance has kidney cancer. (Hospital is not 100% sure yet however if the swelling on top of his left kidney is agressive or benign, they say they can only be sure after surgery when they examen the kidney. Biopsy with needle is not possible for reason I don't know.) Now he is adviced to have the kidney taken out a.s.a.p. Also all naturopath MD's he talked to tell him to let it be removed, they state that the tissue in which the kidney is seated is damaged, so it is of no use to keep it anyway. Also if he ever would fall back to his old way of living - smoking and drinking - the cancer would activate agressively immediately again, almost certain causing serious consequenses, maybe death. Info: I'm giving him every day ozone steam sauna. and he is now also getting AHT and Vit B,C injections Now your info on " daughter cells " and hormones that the mother tumor secretes. Is it possible for you to give an advice on this matter from afare, with this little info I have given up to know? Could it be that the kidney can be saved, probaly some part of it will almost remain damaged. Just your thoughts. Thanks, Saul Pressman wrote: > Dear Obie and Jill, > > All tumors have 'daughter' cells that are spread around the body, > as a back up force, should the 'mother' cancer be killed off. > These daughter cells are prevented from growing by hormones that > the mother tumor secretes. > > As soon as surgery removes the mother tumor, the daughter cells are > free to proliferate. Then the cancer is everywhere in the body and far > harder to deal with. > > This is the hidden cost of surgery -- fatal metastasis. > > This is known to the surgeons, but ignored, because it is bad for business. > I first saw this process explained on the Discovery channel with some nice > animation....in 1996. > > It is far better to deal with the mother tumor and the daughter cells > simultaneously right where they are now. Ozone will be able to clean up the > daughter cells easily because they are not yet encapsulated. The mother > tumor may have a heavy encapsulation around it, which might require > EDTA to remove. > > Regardless, the body does not need another emergency repair crew sent in > as a result of invasive surgery, because the T-cells and macrophages that > arrive on the scene will secrete a whole lot of enzyme growth > factor to help repair efforts, by stimulating the replication of cells. This > is > EXACTLY WHJAT YOU DO NOT WANT. This is the mechanism that caused > oxygen-starved cells (that could survive only because of fermenting their > sugar) > to begin the endless, destructive replications that are called cancer. > > So tumor mass removal has a whole hidden downside that you should be told > about, but you never will be by an oncologist. > > As far as needle biopsies go, they spread the cancer along the track of the > needle. > I have a newspaper article from 1994 relating these facts, discovered by > analysis > of thousands of needle biopsies. Another well-hidden detrimental effect of > allopathic > practice. > > Everything you do must meet these criteria: > > 1) Does it boost the immune system? > 2) Does it remove toxins? > 3) Does it oxygenate the cells? > 4) Does it kill cancer cells? > > If a therapy cannot meet these four requirements, it is not useful. > > Best of Health! > Dr. Saul Pressman > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ---------------------- > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@...> > Reply-oxyplus > oxyplus > Subject: Re: Cancer and Ozone--to Obie > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:17:07 -0000 > > Obie, I am sure Saul will respond, he sometimes gets busy or travels > and then seems to respond to a bunch of posts at once. > > I think in some cases it may be a good idea to get a tumor out--to > remove the main mass, because otherwise the body has to get rid of > it. So you can help the body along. There is nothing wrong with > surgery. I think perhaps the danger is in the ignorance of the > surgeons, because I believe in certain tumors, by cutting into it and > exposing it to air, it actually causes the cancer to grow faster or > to be spread faster. I have always wondered about needle biopsies > for instance and wondered whether they were safe. > > I think a lot of it depends on how your wife is feeling. A person's > psychological state and what they believe will help is important. If > she is very influenced by the doctors, then not getting surgery while > they are screaming to do it, could put her in a state of fear that > could be bad for her immunity. If she truly believes she should get > the surgery, it might be a good idea. And then do all the > alternative therapies. I personally think that combining various > therapies is often a good idea. We are all individual and we're not > quite sure what is the best approach for us, so if we try a bunch, we > improve our chances. > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other > alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are > for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing > information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your > own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to > take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to > hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found > here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher > or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following > address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the > message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Dear , He should be using a funnel on the kidney while he is in the sauna for maximum effect. I don't know where those naturopaths got their educations. I am surprised by their attitudes. They don't sound very naturopathic. Ozone will repair whatever is wrong with the kidney and make it as good as new. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Tell him to keep all his parts. There are no parts that should be jettisoned for convenience, or fear of unknown consequences. Fix everything where it exists, in situ. There is no other naturopathic way. Everything in health comes down to cleansing and nutrition. If he gets both of them, he will turn back the clock and heal his body. Make sure he is taking flax oil and quark daily. Of course it is important not to put more toxins into the body. This is his chance to make a fresh start. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman ----Original Message Follows---- From: Doedens <earth@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: Re: Surgery Causes Metastasis Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:20:47 +0100 Dear Saul, Like I pointed out in earlier posts, my acquaintance has kidney cancer. (Hospital is not 100% sure yet however if the swelling on top of his left kidney is agressive or benign, they say they can only be sure after surgery when they examen the kidney. Biopsy with needle is not possible for reason I don't know.) Now he is adviced to have the kidney taken out a.s.a.p. Also all naturopath MD's he talked to tell him to let it be removed, they state that the tissue in which the kidney is seated is damaged, so it is of no use to keep it anyway. Also if he ever would fall back to his old way of living - smoking and drinking - the cancer would activate agressively immediately again, almost certain causing serious consequenses, maybe death. Info: I'm giving him every day ozone steam sauna. and he is now also getting AHT and Vit B,C injections Now your info on " daughter cells " and hormones that the mother tumor secretes. Is it possible for you to give an advice on this matter from afare, with this little info I have given up to know? Could it be that the kidney can be saved, probaly some part of it will almost remain damaged. Just your thoughts. Thanks, Saul Pressman wrote: > Dear Obie and Jill, > > All tumors have 'daughter' cells that are spread around the body, > as a back up force, should the 'mother' cancer be killed off. > These daughter cells are prevented from growing by hormones that > the mother tumor secretes. > > As soon as surgery removes the mother tumor, the daughter cells are > free to proliferate. Then the cancer is everywhere in the body and far > harder to deal with. > > This is the hidden cost of surgery -- fatal metastasis. > > This is known to the surgeons, but ignored, because it is bad for business. > I first saw this process explained on the Discovery channel with some nice > animation....in 1996. > > It is far better to deal with the mother tumor and the daughter cells > simultaneously right where they are now. Ozone will be able to clean up the > daughter cells easily because they are not yet encapsulated. The mother > tumor may have a heavy encapsulation around it, which might require > EDTA to remove. > > Regardless, the body does not need another emergency repair crew sent in > as a result of invasive surgery, because the T-cells and macrophages that > arrive on the scene will secrete a whole lot of enzyme growth > factor to help repair efforts, by stimulating the replication of cells. This > is > EXACTLY WHJAT YOU DO NOT WANT. This is the mechanism that caused > oxygen-starved cells (that could survive only because of fermenting their > sugar) > to begin the endless, destructive replications that are called cancer. > > So tumor mass removal has a whole hidden downside that you should be told > about, but you never will be by an oncologist. > > As far as needle biopsies go, they spread the cancer along the track of the > needle. > I have a newspaper article from 1994 relating these facts, discovered by > analysis > of thousands of needle biopsies. Another well-hidden detrimental effect of > allopathic > practice. > > Everything you do must meet these criteria: > > 1) Does it boost the immune system? > 2) Does it remove toxins? > 3) Does it oxygenate the cells? > 4) Does it kill cancer cells? > > If a therapy cannot meet these four requirements, it is not useful. > > Best of Health! > Dr. Saul Pressman > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ---------------------- > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@...> > Reply-oxyplus > oxyplus > Subject: Re: Cancer and Ozone--to Obie > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:17:07 -0000 > > Obie, I am sure Saul will respond, he sometimes gets busy or travels > and then seems to respond to a bunch of posts at once. > > I think in some cases it may be a good idea to get a tumor out--to > remove the main mass, because otherwise the body has to get rid of > it. So you can help the body along. There is nothing wrong with > surgery. I think perhaps the danger is in the ignorance of the > surgeons, because I believe in certain tumors, by cutting into it and > exposing it to air, it actually causes the cancer to grow faster or > to be spread faster. I have always wondered about needle biopsies > for instance and wondered whether they were safe. > > I think a lot of it depends on how your wife is feeling. A person's > psychological state and what they believe will help is important. If > she is very influenced by the doctors, then not getting surgery while > they are screaming to do it, could put her in a state of fear that > could be bad for her immunity. If she truly believes she should get > the surgery, it might be a good idea. And then do all the > alternative therapies. I personally think that combining various > therapies is often a good idea. We are all individual and we're not > quite sure what is the best approach for us, so if we try a bunch, we > improve our chances. > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other > alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are > for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing > information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your > own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to > take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to > hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found > here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher > or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following > address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the > message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Thank you Saul. Saul Pressman wrote: > Dear , > > He should be using a funnel on the kidney while he is in the sauna > for maximum effect. > > I don't know where those naturopaths got their educations. I am surprised by > their attitudes. They don't sound very naturopathic. > > Ozone will repair whatever is wrong with the kidney and make it as good as > new. > Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. > > Tell him to keep all his parts. There are no parts that should be jettisoned > for > convenience, or fear of unknown consequences. > > Fix everything where it exists, in situ. There is no other naturopathic way. > > Everything in health comes down to cleansing and nutrition. If he gets both > of them, > he will turn back the clock and heal his body. Make sure he is taking flax > oil and quark daily. > > Of course it is important not to put more toxins into the body. This is his > chance to > make a fresh start. > > Best of health! > Dr. Saul Pressman > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Doedens <earth@...> > Reply-oxyplus > oxyplus > Subject: Re: Re: Surgery Causes Metastasis > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:20:47 +0100 > > Dear Saul, > > Like I pointed out in earlier posts, my acquaintance has kidney cancer. > (Hospital is not 100% sure yet however if the swelling on top of his left > kidney is agressive or benign, they say they can only be sure after surgery > when they examen the kidney. Biopsy with needle is not possible for reason > I don't know.) > > Now he is adviced to have the kidney taken out a.s.a.p. Also all naturopath > MD's he talked to tell him to let it be removed, they state that the tissue > in which the kidney is seated is damaged, so it is of no use to keep it > anyway. Also if he ever would fall back to his old way of living - smoking > and drinking - the cancer would activate agressively immediately again, > almost certain causing serious consequenses, maybe death. > > Info: I'm giving him every day ozone steam sauna. and he is now also getting > AHT and Vit B,C injections > > Now your info on " daughter cells " and hormones that the mother tumor > secretes. > Is it possible for you to give an advice on this matter from afare, with > this little info I have given up to know? > Could it be that the kidney can be saved, probaly some part of it will > almost remain damaged. > Just your thoughts. > > Thanks, > > > > Saul Pressman wrote: > > > Dear Obie and Jill, > > > > All tumors have 'daughter' cells that are spread around the body, > > as a back up force, should the 'mother' cancer be killed off. > > These daughter cells are prevented from growing by hormones that > > the mother tumor secretes. > > > > As soon as surgery removes the mother tumor, the daughter cells are > > free to proliferate. Then the cancer is everywhere in the body and far > > harder to deal with. > > > > This is the hidden cost of surgery -- fatal metastasis. > > > > This is known to the surgeons, but ignored, because it is bad for > business. > > I first saw this process explained on the Discovery channel with some > nice > > animation....in 1996. > > > > It is far better to deal with the mother tumor and the daughter cells > > simultaneously right where they are now. Ozone will be able to clean up > the > > daughter cells easily because they are not yet encapsulated. The mother > > tumor may have a heavy encapsulation around it, which might require > > EDTA to remove. > > > > Regardless, the body does not need another emergency repair crew sent in > > as a result of invasive surgery, because the T-cells and macrophages that > > arrive on the scene will secrete a whole lot of enzyme growth > > factor to help repair efforts, by stimulating the replication of cells. > This > > is > > EXACTLY WHJAT YOU DO NOT WANT. This is the mechanism that caused > > oxygen-starved cells (that could survive only because of fermenting their > > sugar) > > to begin the endless, destructive replications that are called cancer. > > > > So tumor mass removal has a whole hidden downside that you should be told > > about, but you never will be by an oncologist. > > > > As far as needle biopsies go, they spread the cancer along the track of > the > > needle. > > I have a newspaper article from 1994 relating these facts, discovered by > > analysis > > of thousands of needle biopsies. Another well-hidden detrimental effect > of > > allopathic > > practice. > > > > Everything you do must meet these criteria: > > > > 1) Does it boost the immune system? > > 2) Does it remove toxins? > > 3) Does it oxygenate the cells? > > 4) Does it kill cancer cells? > > > > If a therapy cannot meet these four requirements, it is not useful. > > > > Best of Health! > > Dr. Saul Pressman > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ---------------------- > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@...> > > Reply-oxyplus > > oxyplus > > Subject: Re: Cancer and Ozone--to Obie > > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:17:07 -0000 > > > > Obie, I am sure Saul will respond, he sometimes gets busy or travels > > and then seems to respond to a bunch of posts at once. > > > > I think in some cases it may be a good idea to get a tumor out--to > > remove the main mass, because otherwise the body has to get rid of > > it. So you can help the body along. There is nothing wrong with > > surgery. I think perhaps the danger is in the ignorance of the > > surgeons, because I believe in certain tumors, by cutting into it and > > exposing it to air, it actually causes the cancer to grow faster or > > to be spread faster. I have always wondered about needle biopsies > > for instance and wondered whether they were safe. > > > > I think a lot of it depends on how your wife is feeling. A person's > > psychological state and what they believe will help is important. If > > she is very influenced by the doctors, then not getting surgery while > > they are screaming to do it, could put her in a state of fear that > > could be bad for her immunity. If she truly believes she should get > > the surgery, it might be a good idea. And then do all the > > alternative therapies. I personally think that combining various > > therapies is often a good idea. We are all individual and we're not > > quite sure what is the best approach for us, so if we try a bunch, we > > improve our chances. > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and > other > > alternative self-help subjects. > > > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here > are > > for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing > > information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at > your > > own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability > to > > take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree > to > > hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found > > here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a > researcher > > or health care provider. > > > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following > > address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of > the > > message! : > > > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I really think that your kidney disease is not your weight unless you have diabetes . its likely cause is your disease and possibly Enbrel which affects your kidneys and Enbrel can also make you gain weight . You should start taking milk thistle to protect your liver . Autoimmune diseases can cause harm to your organs , Enbrel has mannitol in it. cathy from ma - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Hi, I don't have diabetes, I exercise 3-4 times a week depending on how I feel. I started taking Milk Thistle last week and I've passed the word on to my other docs to see about possible medication adjustment. I think my docs just don't know that much about PsA. I don't know what to do now, I wonder how long or if this will affect my heart, my allergy doc thinks my asthma is related to the PsA. I feel even more alone now than I did before, I'm dieing a slow, painful death and because you can't see it on the outside no one thinks this is a big deal, I'm just over reacting looking for sympathy. No one has said it but it's what I believe. Does anyone else have organ problems from PsA? I was thinking of hiring a lawyer but I could never prove that the Enbrel or Humira are the cause of my liver and kidney disease. I don't know what to do now. Lori in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Lori, I was newly diagnosed and have had pain since Sept. I don't have organ issues, but it is certainly something that I fear. I completely understand when you describe how people don't understand and think you're looking for sympathy. I feel badly for you and will be praying for you, as well. It's important that you share your feeling with us, because we do understand how you are feeling. Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Hi Holly, Thank you. I try unsuccessfully not to complain, sometimes this disease is just to much and I can't bare it alone. I hope that none of you ever have to experience the fear and defeat I feel because this is affecting my organs and the medication is not working. Lori in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Hi Lori, Thats not true, but its likely that he is trying to curtail complications by saying that we should loose weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Hi , I didnt and still dont believe the docs explanation, I know the meds caused my kidney and liver problems. Im on my own dealing with my medical issues. Lori in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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