Re: (OT) 5/09 conference notes - Very Long!

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Aviva

Thank you for sharing!!!!

Hugs

Judy

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Subject: [ ] (OT) 5/09 conference notes - Very Long!

 

Hello all,

Unfortunately, I left my notes in CT (I think I wanted a Lyme break),

so much will be missing, but I thought I would let you all know what

I gathered from the conference (UNH Lyme Symposium May 8 2010).

People who's names I recognised : Dr. , Dr. Eva Sapi,

Dr. ph Burrascano, Dr. Alan Mac, Sheila Statlender, Pamela

Weintraub (Cure Unknown), (LDA), Polly Murray

(Lyme,CT), Willy Burgdorfer sent his regards... and many more.

Biofilms:

This was the most shocking information at the conference. Everyday

examples of biofilms are dental tartar and black sludge in plumbing.

For some reason, they are not yet allowed to call them " biofilms " for

Borrelia, but I got to see them in action. I thought biofilms were a

protective coating on a single bacteria having a similar effect as

cyst formation. No! In adverse environment (ex.:abx), the spirochetes

congregate and start to form a substance that holds them together .

They form these masses of bacteria by the thousands! They are alive

in these masses as there is uptake of a green fluorescent dye that

wouldn't show up if it were a mass of dead spirochetes. The masses

are organised and allow communication between the bacteria and

exchange of genetic informatiion( ?). The substance is not mucosal in

nature, but hardens, cementlike. The microbiologist described the

fact that if you press down on the coverslip(thin piece of glass you

place over a specimen on a glass slide), it doesn't compress, but the

coverslip shatters. He said it was " gummybear-like " .

To illustrate the resiliance of these " biofilms " , they filmed one

exposed directly to MMS (basicly bleach, I think they said 3%). The

film was sped up so we could see in a couple minutes what occured in

30 minutes. I thought it looked pretty good since the biofilm seemed

to get disolved and spirochetes were released. By the end of 30

minutes, it was much smaller and many spirochetes were killed, but

not all. This was NOT good news. Bacteria are supposed to be killed

by this 3% bleach within milliseconds. Spirochetes were still alive

after 30 minutes. What was illustrated was the effectiveness of the

biofilm in protecting the bacteria. Many bacteria form protective

coatings in adverse conditions that resist chemicals, but actually

seeing it and knowing that these " biofilms " can form inside us was a

shock.

Cyst formation:

Certain abx tend to increase cyst formation while reducing spirochete

load. Combinations of certain abx are better at reducing spirochetes

AND preventing cyst formation (work synergisticly) . Both flagyl and

tindamax in combination with another abx (ex:zithromax) are effective.

The same experiment was done with tinctures of Samento and Banderol

both alone, together and in different concentrations( [ ]). What was

interesting was that when using higher [ ] of each herb, more cysts

were formed and much lower [ ] were much more effective in both

preveting cyst formation and killing spirochetes. I think both

together were better than each one alone, but now I'm not sure, sorry.

Dr. Sapi will be doing more research with herbs.

These were in-vitro ( " in tubes " ) studies rather than in-vivo ( in

living beings), so they are not definitive, but help guide future

studies.

XMRV virus:

Dr. Burrascano is researching the possibility of this retro-virus

being an important key in chronic/refractory Lyme. XMRV virus =

xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (murine=mouse)

There wasn't a lot of practical treatment information. Dr Wulfman

from Vermont has an integrative practice. He treats with herbs, abx,

diet, liquid mineral supplements, probiotics, etc. What he stressed

was that he has tried to streamline his treatment for Lyme and he

CANNOT. What works for one person does not automaticcally work for

the next, however simmilar the cases. It is a constant trial and

error medical journey for each of his patients.

Nanotechnology,

Trying to apply nanotechnology ( " nano " is much smaller than " micro " )

to be able to visualise and actually understand the physical

properties of the spirochetes with more precision. Also trying to

develop technology that allows this visualisation of LIVE spirochetes

(preparation of sample typically desicates/kills organisms).

Nanotechnology physically scans the specimen with a probe that runs

across its surface which also allows a certain determination of

texture (soft, hard, etc) and gives a 3-d picture. Electron

microscopes bombard specimen with electrons, thus killing it (if it

happened to survive preparation) .

is a fabulous LD advocate. Contact the LDA for any

issues regarding children and school issues for guidance.

Again, this is from memory. If I find in my notes that I have made

any grave errors I will correct them next week and update with more

info if missing ( I am sure it is!). I couldn't stay for the whole

thing, though I wanted to.

Sorry for the very long, possibly tedious post.

I hope there was a little something in it for everyone,

Aviva

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Thank you Aviva from those of us that could never attend. Very

interesting.

Suzanne

On May 10, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Aviva Gerson wrote:

> Hello all,

> Unfortunately,I left my notes in CT (I think I wanted a Lyme break),

> so much will be missing, but I thought I would let you all know what

> I gathered from the conference (UNH Lyme Symposium May 8 2010).

>

> People who's names I recognised : Dr. , Dr. Eva Sapi,

> Dr. ph Burrascano, Dr. Alan Mac, Sheila Statlender, Pamela

> Weintraub (Cure Unknown), (LDA), Polly Murray

> (Lyme,CT), Willy Burgdorfer sent his regards... and many more.

>

> Biofilms:

> This was the most shocking information at the conference. Everyday

> examples of biofilms are dental tartar and black sludge in plumbing.

> For some reason, they are not yet allowed to call them " biofilms " for

> Borrelia, but I got to see them in action. I thought biofilms were a

> protective coating on a single bacteria having a similar effect as

> cyst formation. No! In adverse environment (ex.:abx), the spirochetes

> congregate and start to form a substance that holds them together .

> They form these masses of bacteria by the thousands! They are alive

> in these masses as there is uptake of a green fluorescent dye that

> wouldn't show up if it were a mass of dead spirochetes. The masses

> are organised and allow communication between the bacteria and

> exchange of genetic informatiion(?). The substance is not mucosal in

> nature, but hardens, cementlike. The microbiologist described the

> fact that if you press down on the coverslip(thin piece of glass you

> place over a specimen on a glass slide), it doesn't compress, but the

> coverslip shatters. He said it was " gummybear-like " .

>

> To illustrate the resiliance of these " biofilms " , they filmed one

> exposed directly to MMS (basicly bleach, I think they said 3%). The

> film was sped up so we could see in a couple minutes what occured in

> 30 minutes. I thought it looked pretty good since the biofilm seemed

> to get disolved and spirochetes were released. By the end of 30

> minutes, it was much smaller and many spirochetes were killed, but

> not all. This was NOT good news. Bacteria are supposed to be killed

> by this 3% bleach within milliseconds. Spirochetes were still alive

> after 30 minutes. What was illustrated was the effectiveness of the

> biofilm in protecting the bacteria. Many bacteria form protective

> coatings in adverse conditions that resist chemicals, but actually

> seeing it and knowing that these " biofilms " can form inside us was a

> shock.

>

> Cyst formation:

> Certain abx tend to increase cyst formation while reducing spirochete

> load. Combinations of certain abx are better at reducing spirochetes

> AND preventing cyst formation (work synergisticly). Both flagyl and

> tindamax in combination with another abx (ex:zithromax) are effective.

> The same experiment was done with tinctures of Samento and Banderol

> both alone, together and in different concentrations([ ]). What was

> interesting was that when using higher [ ] of each herb, more cysts

> were formed and much lower [ ] were much more effective in both

> preveting cyst formation and killing spirochetes. I think both

> together were better than each one alone, but now I'm not sure, sorry.

> Dr. Sapi will be doing more research with herbs.

> These were in-vitro ( " in tubes " ) studies rather than in-vivo ( in

> living beings), so they are not definitive, but help guide future

> studies.

>

> XMRV virus:

> Dr. Burrascano is researching the possibility of this retro-virus

> being an important key in chronic/refractory Lyme. XMRV virus =

> xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (murine=mouse)

>

> There wasn't a lot of practical treatment information. Dr Wulfman

> from Vermont has an integrative practice. He treats with herbs, abx,

> diet, liquid mineral supplements, probiotics, etc. What he stressed

> was that he has tried to streamline his treatment for Lyme and he

> CANNOT. What works for one person does not automaticcally work for

> the next, however simmilar the cases. It is a constant trial and

> error medical journey for each of his patients.

>

> Nanotechnology,

> Trying to apply nanotechnology ( " nano " is much smaller than " micro " )

> to be able to visualise and actually understand the physical

> properties of the spirochetes with more precision. Also trying to

> develop technology that allows this visualisation of LIVE spirochetes

> (preparation of sample typically desicates/kills organisms).

> Nanotechnology physically scans the specimen with a probe that runs

> across its surface which also allows a certain determination of

> texture (soft, hard, etc) and gives a 3-d picture. Electron

> microscopes bombard specimen with electrons, thus killing it (if it

> happened to survive preparation).

>

> is a fabulous LD advocate. Contact the LDA for any

> issues regarding children and school issues for guidance.

>

> Again, this is from memory. If I find in my notes that I have made

> any grave errors I will correct them next week and update with more

> info if missing ( I am sure it is!). I couldn't stay for the whole

> thing, though I wanted to.

>

> Sorry for the very long, possibly tedious post.

> I hope there was a little something in it for everyone,

> Aviva

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Aviva! Very interesting! Did anyone discuss ways to eliminate the

biofilm?

[Guest guest]

> The masses

> are organised and allow communication between the bacteria and

> exchange of genetic informatiion(?).

yes, there is genetic exchange between bacteria, not just between Bb but also

between different species. The multitude of plasmids in Bb (most of any

bacteria!) certainly helps with that. There can be hundreds of very different

types of bacteria in a biofilm, potentially all communicating (with quorum

sensing) and working together. They also can exchange energy, food, building

blocks etc.; some of this is passed through nanowires between the bacteria in

the film.

> What was illustrated was the effectiveness of the

> biofilm in protecting the bacteria.

yes, and this also applies to ABX. For ABX, you sometimes need up to 1000x

higher concentration to kill bacteria in a biofilm. Such concentrations are

impossible to reach in the body (and they would probably kill the patient

first).

> Cyst formation:

I think both

> together were better than each one alone, but now I'm not sure, sorry.

that makes sense: it is important to prevent cyst formation as you need much

higher concentrations to kill the cysts. But the bugs are smart and anything

that harms them will encourage formation of cysts or other protective forms like

CWD, granules etc. Using a combination of different (complex) substances in

lower concentrations, with synergistic effect, seems like a good approach to me,

smaller chance of cyst formation and (more importantly) smaller chance that they

develop resistance genetic.

> XMRV virus:

> Dr. Burrascano is researching the possibility of this retro-virus

> being an important key in chronic/refractory Lyme. XMRV virus =

> xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (murine=mouse)

inside every pathogenic Borrelia, on the cp32 plasmids, there already is a

virus: the phiBB1 prophage. It is activated by DNA damage e.g. from flagyl. We

know from research by Alan Mac that Bb genes get transferred to human

cells in Alzheimer; it is likely that the same can happen with Lyme as we are

talking about the same organism. We don't know how this happens, but the phiBB1

prophage is a possible cause of this genetic damage. It could have actions in

our cells that are similar to a retro-virus (dangerous!).

good to hear that scientists are using new approaches instead of doing the same

dumb research over and over like the IDSA ducks.

[Guest guest]

what are you talking about when you say exposed to mms? what is that?

From: jchabot <jchabot@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] (OT) 5/09 conference notes - Very Long!

Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 12:05 PM

 

Aviva

Thank you for sharing!!!!

Hugs

Judy

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Aviva Gerson <avivagverizon (DOT) net>

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Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 10:59:53 AM

Subject: [ ] (OT) 5/09 conference notes - Very Long!

 

Hello all,

Unfortunately, I left my notes in CT (I think I wanted a Lyme break),

so much will be missing, but I thought I would let you all know what

I gathered from the conference (UNH Lyme Symposium May 8 2010).

People who's names I recognised : Dr. , Dr. Eva Sapi,

Dr. ph Burrascano, Dr. Alan Mac, Sheila Statlender, Pamela

Weintraub (Cure Unknown), (LDA), Polly Murray

(Lyme,CT), Willy Burgdorfer sent his regards... and many more.

Biofilms:

This was the most shocking information at the conference. Everyday

examples of biofilms are dental tartar and black sludge in plumbing.

For some reason, they are not yet allowed to call them " biofilms " for

Borrelia, but I got to see them in action. I thought biofilms were a

protective coating on a single bacteria having a similar effect as

cyst formation. No! In adverse environment (ex.:abx), the spirochetes

congregate and start to form a substance that holds them together .

They form these masses of bacteria by the thousands! They are alive

in these masses as there is uptake of a green fluorescent dye that

wouldn't show up if it were a mass of dead spirochetes. The masses

are organised and allow communication between the bacteria and

exchange of genetic informatiion( ?). The substance is not mucosal in

nature, but hardens, cementlike. The microbiologist described the

fact that if you press down on the coverslip(thin piece of glass you

place over a specimen on a glass slide), it doesn't compress, but the

coverslip shatters. He said it was " gummybear-like " .

To illustrate the resiliance of these " biofilms " , they filmed one

exposed directly to MMS (basicly bleach, I think they said 3%). The

film was sped up so we could see in a couple minutes what occured in

30 minutes. I thought it looked pretty good since the biofilm seemed

to get disolved and spirochetes were released. By the end of 30

minutes, it was much smaller and many spirochetes were killed, but

not all. This was NOT good news. Bacteria are supposed to be killed

by this 3% bleach within milliseconds. Spirochetes were still alive

after 30 minutes. What was illustrated was the effectiveness of the

biofilm in protecting the bacteria. Many bacteria form protective

coatings in adverse conditions that resist chemicals, but actually

seeing it and knowing that these " biofilms " can form inside us was a

shock.

Cyst formation:

Certain abx tend to increase cyst formation while reducing spirochete

load. Combinations of certain abx are better at reducing spirochetes

AND preventing cyst formation (work synergisticly) . Both flagyl and

tindamax in combination with another abx (ex:zithromax) are effective.

The same experiment was done with tinctures of Samento and Banderol

both alone, together and in different concentrations( [ ]). What was

interesting was that when using higher [ ] of each herb, more cysts

were formed and much lower [ ] were much more effective in both

preveting cyst formation and killing spirochetes. I think both

together were better than each one alone, but now I'm not sure, sorry.

Dr. Sapi will be doing more research with herbs.

These were in-vitro ( " in tubes " ) studies rather than in-vivo ( in

living beings), so they are not definitive, but help guide future

studies.

XMRV virus:

Dr. Burrascano is researching the possibility of this retro-virus

being an important key in chronic/refractory Lyme. XMRV virus =

xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (murine=mouse)

There wasn't a lot of practical treatment information. Dr Wulfman

from Vermont has an integrative practice. He treats with herbs, abx,

diet, liquid mineral supplements, probiotics, etc. What he stressed

was that he has tried to streamline his treatment for Lyme and he

CANNOT. What works for one person does not automaticcally work for

the next, however simmilar the cases. It is a constant trial and

error medical journey for each of his patients.

Nanotechnology,

Trying to apply nanotechnology ( " nano " is much smaller than " micro " )

to be able to visualise and actually understand the physical

properties of the spirochetes with more precision. Also trying to

develop technology that allows this visualisation of LIVE spirochetes

(preparation of sample typically desicates/kills organisms).

Nanotechnology physically scans the specimen with a probe that runs

across its surface which also allows a certain determination of

texture (soft, hard, etc) and gives a 3-d picture. Electron

microscopes bombard specimen with electrons, thus killing it (if it

happened to survive preparation) .

is a fabulous LD advocate. Contact the LDA for any

issues regarding children and school issues for guidance.

Again, this is from memory. If I find in my notes that I have made

any grave errors I will correct them next week and update with more

info if missing ( I am sure it is!). I couldn't stay for the whole

thing, though I wanted to.

Sorry for the very long, possibly tedious post.

I hope there was a little something in it for everyone,

Aviva

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MMS is " Miracle Mineral Solution " . I'm not sure how it is used, but

when " activated " it produces chlorine dioxide (bleach). It is used by

some for Lyme, but again I don't know how.

Aviva

On May 11, 2010, at 7:30 AM, laina pedro wrote:

> what are you talking about when you say exposed to mms? what is

> that?

>

>

>

> From: jchabot <jchabot@...>

> Subject: Re: [ ] (OT) 5/09 conference notes - Very

> Long!

>

> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 12:05 PM

>

>

>

> Aviva

>

> Thank you for sharing!!!!

>

> Hugs

>

> Judy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> From: Aviva Gerson <avivagverizon (DOT) net>

>

> ; @

> groups. com

>

> Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 10:59:53 AM

>

> Subject: [ ] (OT) 5/09 conference notes - Very Long!

>

>

>

> Hello all,

>

> Unfortunately, I left my notes in CT (I think I wanted a Lyme break),

>

> so much will be missing, but I thought I would let you all know what

>

> I gathered from the conference (UNH Lyme Symposium May 8 2010).

>

> People who's names I recognised : Dr. , Dr. Eva Sapi,

>

> Dr. ph Burrascano, Dr. Alan Mac, Sheila Statlender, Pamela

>

> Weintraub (Cure Unknown), (LDA), Polly Murray

>

> (Lyme,CT), Willy Burgdorfer sent his regards... and many more.

>

> Biofilms:

>

> This was the most shocking information at the conference. Everyday

>

> examples of biofilms are dental tartar and black sludge in plumbing.

>

> For some reason, they are not yet allowed to call them " biofilms " for

>

> Borrelia, but I got to see them in action. I thought biofilms were a

>

> protective coating on a single bacteria having a similar effect as

>

> cyst formation. No! In adverse environment (ex.:abx), the spirochetes

>

> congregate and start to form a substance that holds them together .

>

> They form these masses of bacteria by the thousands! They are alive

>

> in these masses as there is uptake of a green fluorescent dye that

>

> wouldn't show up if it were a mass of dead spirochetes. The masses

>

> are organised and allow communication between the bacteria and

>

> exchange of genetic informatiion( ?). The substance is not mucosal in

>

> nature, but hardens, cementlike. The microbiologist described the

>

> fact that if you press down on the coverslip(thin piece of glass you

>

> place over a specimen on a glass slide), it doesn't compress, but the

>

> coverslip shatters. He said it was " gummybear-like " .

>

> To illustrate the resiliance of these " biofilms " , they filmed one

>

> exposed directly to MMS (basicly bleach, I think they said 3%). The

>

> film was sped up so we could see in a couple minutes what occured in

>

> 30 minutes. I thought it looked pretty good since the biofilm seemed

>

> to get disolved and spirochetes were released. By the end of 30

>

> minutes, it was much smaller and many spirochetes were killed, but

>

> not all. This was NOT good news. Bacteria are supposed to be killed

>

> by this 3% bleach within milliseconds. Spirochetes were still alive

>

> after 30 minutes. What was illustrated was the effectiveness of the

>

> biofilm in protecting the bacteria. Many bacteria form protective

>

> coatings in adverse conditions that resist chemicals, but actually

>

> seeing it and knowing that these " biofilms " can form inside us was a

>

> shock.

>

> Cyst formation:

>

> Certain abx tend to increase cyst formation while reducing spirochete

>

> load. Combinations of certain abx are better at reducing spirochetes

>

> AND preventing cyst formation (work synergisticly) . Both flagyl and

>

> tindamax in combination with another abx (ex:zithromax) are effective.

>

> The same experiment was done with tinctures of Samento and Banderol

>

> both alone, together and in different concentrations( [ ]). What was

>

> interesting was that when using higher [ ] of each herb, more cysts

>

> were formed and much lower [ ] were much more effective in both

>

> preveting cyst formation and killing spirochetes. I think both

>

> together were better than each one alone, but now I'm not sure, sorry.

>

> Dr. Sapi will be doing more research with herbs.

>

> These were in-vitro ( " in tubes " ) studies rather than in-vivo ( in

>

> living beings), so they are not definitive, but help guide future

>

> studies.

>

> XMRV virus:

>

> Dr. Burrascano is researching the possibility of this retro-virus

>

> being an important key in chronic/refractory Lyme. XMRV virus =

>

> xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (murine=mouse)

>

> There wasn't a lot of practical treatment information. Dr Wulfman

>

> from Vermont has an integrative practice. He treats with herbs, abx,

>

> diet, liquid mineral supplements, probiotics, etc. What he stressed

>

> was that he has tried to streamline his treatment for Lyme and he

>

> CANNOT. What works for one person does not automaticcally work for

>

> the next, however simmilar the cases. It is a constant trial and

>

> error medical journey for each of his patients.

>

> Nanotechnology,

>

> Trying to apply nanotechnology ( " nano " is much smaller than " micro " )

>

> to be able to visualise and actually understand the physical

>

> properties of the spirochetes with more precision. Also trying to

>

> develop technology that allows this visualisation of LIVE spirochetes

>

> (preparation of sample typically desicates/kills organisms).

>

> Nanotechnology physically scans the specimen with a probe that runs

>

> across its surface which also allows a certain determination of

>

> texture (soft, hard, etc) and gives a 3-d picture. Electron

>

> microscopes bombard specimen with electrons, thus killing it (if it

>

> happened to survive preparation) .

>

> is a fabulous LD advocate. Contact the LDA for any

>

> issues regarding children and school issues for guidance.

>

> Again, this is from memory. If I find in my notes that I have made

>

> any grave errors I will correct them next week and update with more

>

> info if missing ( I am sure it is!). I couldn't stay for the whole

>

> thing, though I wanted to.

>

> Sorry for the very long, possibly tedious post.

>

> I hope there was a little something in it for everyone,

>

> Aviva

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm going to have to review the CD I received, I don't have it with

me. There was some research info posted in the hallway that caught my

eye regarding serrapeptase (enzyme). It seemed to help prevent

biofilm formation when taken with abx, but maybe not destroy/dissolve

it once it's formed. I'll have to get back to you on that.

Aviva

On May 10, 2010, at 6:12 PM, mom2_jt wrote:

> Thanks Aviva! Very interesting! Did anyone discuss ways to

> eliminate the biofilm?

>

>

[Guest guest]

YES I AM FAMILIAR W/ THIS STUFF BUT I HAD NOT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT HELPING

LYME IN THE PAST

I HAVE HEARD THAT IT HAS CURED HIV AND AIDS THOUGH

DO YOU KNOW ANY FURTHER INFO?

> >

> > From: jchabot <jchabot@...>

> > Subject: Re: [ ] (OT) 5/09 conference

> notes - Very 

> > Long!

> >

> > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 12:05 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > Aviva

> >

> > Thank you for sharing!!!!

> >

> > Hugs

> >

> > Judy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > From: Aviva Gerson <avivagverizon (DOT) net>

> >

> > ;

> @ 

> > groups. com

> >

> > Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 10:59:53 AM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] (OT) 5/09 conference notes

> - Very Long!

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > Unfortunately, I left my notes in CT (I think I wanted

> a Lyme break),

> >

> > so much will be missing, but I thought I would let you

> all know what

> >

> > I gathered from the conference (UNH Lyme Symposium May

> 8 2010).

> >

> > People who's names I recognised : Dr. ,

> Dr. Eva Sapi,

> >

> > Dr. ph Burrascano, Dr. Alan Mac, Sheila

> Statlender, Pamela

> >

> > Weintraub (Cure Unknown), (LDA), Polly

> Murray

> >

> > (Lyme,CT), Willy Burgdorfer sent his regards... and

> many more.

> >

> > Biofilms:

> >

> > This was the most shocking information at the

> conference. Everyday

> >

> > examples of biofilms are dental tartar and black

> sludge in plumbing.

> >

> > For some reason, they are not yet allowed to call them

> " biofilms " for

> >

> > Borrelia, but I got to see them in action. I thought

> biofilms were a

> >

> > protective coating on a single bacteria having a

> similar effect as

> >

> > cyst formation. No! In adverse environment (ex.:abx),

> the spirochetes

> >

> > congregate and start to form a substance that holds

> them together .

> >

> > They form these masses of bacteria by the thousands!

> They are alive

> >

> > in these masses as there is uptake of a green

> fluorescent dye that

> >

> > wouldn't show up if it were a mass of dead

> spirochetes. The masses

> >

> > are organised and allow communication between the

> bacteria and

> >

> > exchange of genetic informatiion( ?). The substance is

> not mucosal in

> >

> > nature, but hardens, cementlike. The microbiologist

> described the

> >

> > fact that if you press down on the coverslip(thin

> piece of glass you

> >

> > place over a specimen on a glass slide), it doesn't

> compress, but the

> >

> > coverslip shatters. He said it was " gummybear-like " .

> >

> > To illustrate the resiliance of these " biofilms " , they

> filmed one

> >

> > exposed directly to MMS (basicly bleach, I think they

> said 3%). The

> >

> > film was sped up so we could see in a couple minutes

> what occured in

> >

> > 30 minutes. I thought it looked pretty good since the

> biofilm seemed

> >

> > to get disolved and spirochetes were released. By the

> end of 30

> >

> > minutes, it was much smaller and many spirochetes were

> killed, but

> >

> > not all. This was NOT good news. Bacteria are supposed

> to be killed

> >

> > by this 3% bleach within milliseconds. Spirochetes

> were still alive

> >

> > after 30 minutes. What was illustrated was the

> effectiveness of the

> >

> > biofilm in protecting the bacteria. Many bacteria form

> protective

> >

> > coatings in adverse conditions that resist chemicals,

> but actually

> >

> > seeing it and knowing that these " biofilms " can form

> inside us was a

> >

> > shock.

> >

> > Cyst formation:

> >

> > Certain abx tend to increase cyst formation while

> reducing spirochete

> >

> > load. Combinations of certain abx are better at

> reducing spirochetes

> >

> > AND preventing cyst formation (work synergisticly) .

> Both flagyl and

> >

> > tindamax in combination with another abx

> (ex:zithromax) are effective.

> >

> > The same experiment was done with tinctures of Samento

> and Banderol

> >

> > both alone, together and in different concentrations(

> [ ]). What was

> >

> > interesting was that when using higher [ ] of each

> herb, more cysts

> >

> > were formed and much lower [ ] were much more

> effective in both

> >

> > preveting cyst formation and killing spirochetes. I

> think both

> >

> > together were better than each one alone, but now I'm

> not sure, sorry.

> >

> > Dr. Sapi will be doing more research with herbs.

> >

> > These were in-vitro ( " in tubes " ) studies rather than

> in-vivo ( in

> >

> > living beings), so they are not definitive, but help

> guide future

> >

> > studies.

> >

> > XMRV virus:

> >

> > Dr. Burrascano is researching the possibility of this

> retro-virus

> >

> > being an important key in chronic/refractory Lyme.

> XMRV virus =

> >

> > xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus

> (murine=mouse)

> >

> > There wasn't a lot of practical treatment information.

> Dr Wulfman

> >

> > from Vermont has an integrative practice. He treats

> with herbs, abx,

> >

> > diet, liquid mineral supplements, probiotics, etc.

> What he stressed

> >

> > was that he has tried to streamline his treatment for

> Lyme and he

> >

> > CANNOT. What works for one person does not

> automaticcally work for

> >

> > the next, however simmilar the cases. It is a constant

> trial and

> >

> > error medical journey for each of his patients.

> >

> > Nanotechnology,

> >

> > Trying to apply nanotechnology ( " nano " is much smaller

> than " micro " )

> >

> > to be able to visualise and actually understand the

> physical

> >

> > properties of the spirochetes with more precision.

> Also trying to

> >

> > develop technology that allows this visualisation of

> LIVE spirochetes

> >

> > (preparation of sample typically desicates/kills

> organisms).

> >

> > Nanotechnology physically scans the specimen with a

> probe that runs

> >

> > across its surface which also allows a certain

> determination of

> >

> > texture (soft, hard, etc) and gives a 3-d picture.

> Electron

> >

> > microscopes bombard specimen with electrons, thus

> killing it (if it

> >

> > happened to survive preparation) .

> >

> > is a fabulous LD advocate. Contact the

> LDA for any

> >

> > issues regarding children and school issues for

> guidance.

> >

> > Again, this is from memory. If I find in my notes that

> I have made

> >

> > any grave errors I will correct them next week and

> update with more

> >

> > info if missing ( I am sure it is!). I couldn't stay

> for the whole

> >

> > thing, though I wanted to.

> >

> > Sorry for the very long, possibly tedious post.

> >

> > I hope there was a little something in it for

> everyone,

> >

> > Aviva

> >

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