Re: Re: Teen with Lyme and mental health

[Guest guest]

Zoloft, seroquel and cymbalta have all helped various members of our family with

Lyme and Bart/Babs related anxiety -- especially Zoloft (which also helps with

OCD behavior I would add).

My daughter is going through panics about being back in school -- a nice problem

to be back so she is stressed, but not great that she is so stressed it seems to

be making her sick again. Back on cymbalta for her.

I hate how hard this is and it makes me crazy to see my children crying with

" stress " that is all in their heads. I guess that is where stress always is, lol

(wryly). The cause is a roving target, one day one class, one day another, one

day social issues and the next her future. We can't control any of that, and

the idea of getting out of her room into a fairly large middle school seems to

be the root of it -- sort of " this is not where I thought I'd be in life in 8th

grade... " Plus the fact that middle school just is not great for most people. I

think it's been fairly benign for my older daughter , and younger too actually,

but they stress anyway. Sigh.

Natasha

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From: ecckwalk <ecckwalk@...>

Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 4:49:56 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Teen with Lyme and mental health

My 13 yr old son (Lyme & Bartonell), has panic attacks focused on a certain

teacher. Since he has new teachers every year, he hears that one might be mean

and then that's the class that he panics about and can't attend. He is on a 504

plan and the school has been VERY cooperative with him not attending class and

doing his assignment in the library. It's tough because this year it's science

so he is missing labs and learning out of a book instead. The school should

work w/ you as long as you have a dr note stating the conditions that are

causing problems for your child related to school.

I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried therapy for panic attacks? Our dr is to

the point of, let's try it to see if it works, otherwise we might have to put

him on IV. Anyone have success w/ this kind of therapy? I will probably try

therapy myself (Lyme, Bart & Babesia) because I have driving panic attacks. At

this point, the brain might just need to be rewired and maybe it isn't even a

symptom anymore. Just a thought.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

There are some holistic things you can try. It's best to go to a

Holistic doctor. But I know money is tight if you have Lymes. There

is some information on google. But a few things my husband took for

his panic attacks that was prescribed by our Holistic Doctor were....

Commonly used for panic attacks is 5- HTP - This he said would

actually stop his attacks! He is a 180 pound man and he would take

about 4 or 5 if he were having a full fledge attack. Sorry, I can't

remember the mg I bought but I wrote down to take 50mg 3 times a day

from the information I read. You can get it online or at a good

vitamin store. I do know rehab centers use this for withdrawl also.

There is lots of info on google about it. It basically replaces your

dopamine that is too low that usually causes most panic attacks. But

there's no telling what is causing your son's attacks. Maybe your

doctor can help you with this. Most western docs don't know how to

use these kinds of treatments so you might have to learn yourself.

When you have " out of the norm " illnesses you have to sometimes

figure it out on your own.

A major change in diet. Get off all the chemicals and processed foods

you can. Especially sugar, flour, yeast, diet stuff, fast food and

all soda's.

EFA's - Essential Fatty Acids, Antioxidents like CoQ 10, Amino Acids,

a good multi-vitamin to cover what he may be deficient in. Melatonin

to help you sleep and it is also used to help balance hormones that

get off due to panic attacks.

I would also get his hormones tested because Lymes can really wreck

havoc on your hormones at any age and that can cause anxiety attacks!

Like too much cortisol or hyperthyroid, etc. I read a research study

that concluded that Lyme spirochetes favored the hypothalamus and

caused kidney problems. So also test your kidney hormones that

doctors forget about! low EPO (Erythropoietin) can cause your red

blood cells to go low and affect bone marrow, Low Renin, Aldosterone

and Angiotensin II can cause low blood pressure, high pulse, light

headedness, dizziness, NO energy, etc. I know that because I had it!

So go in to your doctor with possible CAUSES of what drives your

specific symptoms and ask them to test certain things. They hate Dr.

Google's like me but I'm as healthy as a horse now because of it. And

a Lyme survivor to boot.

It helps to pick the brain of bio-physiologists. Find one and ask

them what causes this symptom and that. Ask your Lymes doctor,

because Lymes causes other diseases. Usually when you treat the lymes

those diseases will go away or get better. But sometimes some

permanent damage occurs the longer you have chronic Lymes and your

left with damage control that's different for everyone because Lymes

is different for everyone.

Good luck,

Suzanne

On Sep 28, 2010, at 6:49 PM, ecckwalk wrote:

> My 13 yr old son (Lyme & Bartonell), has panic attacks focused on a

> certain teacher. Since he has new teachers every year, he hears that

> one might be mean and then that's the class that he panics about and

> can't attend. He is on a 504 plan and the school has been VERY

> cooperative with him not attending class and doing his assignment in

> the library. It's tough because this year it's science so he is

> missing labs and learning out of a book instead. The school should

> work w/ you as long as you have a dr note stating the conditions

> that are causing problems for your child related to school.

>

> I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried therapy for panic attacks?

> Our dr is to the point of, let's try it to see if it works,

> otherwise we might have to put him on IV. Anyone have success w/

> this kind of therapy? I will probably try therapy myself (Lyme, Bart

> & Babesia) because I have driving panic attacks. At this point, the

> brain might just need to be rewired and maybe it isn't even a

> symptom anymore. Just a thought.

> Elaine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

my daughters have been in therapy with an amazing psychiatrist for three years

-- long before they were diagnosed. The best part is that he has been

completely on the ILADS bandwagon with us.

Natasha

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From: ecckwalk <ecckwalk@...>

Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 6:15:24 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Teen with Lyme and mental health

Yes, it is VERY hard to see your teenager crying because of the stress of going

to school and facing a class. This should have been over after the first day of

kindergarten

He has been on zoloft and buspirone (anti-anxiety) for much of this year and

we've talked about putting him on lamictal (anti-seizure also used for mood). I

am on this, and it does help somewhat, but I don't want to keep masking his

symptoms and piling more mental health drugs on him. With that being said

though, we have to do whatever we have to do to help him. Has your daughter

ever tried therapy? The therapist I spoke w/ said it's hard to weed out if it's

a symptom or result of being sick for so long but, either way, therapy should

help w/ some coping tools. We are also stopping Rifampin to see if anxiety gets

worse, even w/ him not going to class. This might help us determine if it's

still a symptom of Bart or result.

best wishes,

Elaine

>

> Zoloft, seroquel and cymbalta have all helped various members of our family

>with

>

> Lyme and Bart/Babs related anxiety -- especially Zoloft (which also helps with

> OCD behavior I would add).

>

> My daughter is going through panics about being back in school -- a nice

>problem

>

> to be back so she is stressed, but not great that she is so stressed it seems

>to

>

> be making her sick again. Back on cymbalta for her.

>

> I hate how hard this is and it makes me crazy to see my children crying with

> " stress " that is all in their heads. I guess that is where stress always is,

>lol

>

> (wryly). The cause is a roving target, one day one class, one day another,

one

>

> day social issues and the next her future. We can't control any of that, and

> the idea of getting out of her room into a fairly large middle school seems to

> be the root of it -- sort of " this is not where I thought I'd be in life in

8th

>

> grade... " Plus the fact that middle school just is not great for most people.

>I

>

> think it's been fairly benign for my older daughter , and younger too

actually,

>

> but they stress anyway. Sigh.

>

> Natasha

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: ecckwalk <ecckwalk@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 4:49:56 PM

> Subject: [ ] Re: Teen with Lyme and mental health

>

>

> My 13 yr old son (Lyme & Bartonell), has panic attacks focused on a certain

> teacher. Since he has new teachers every year, he hears that one might be

mean

>

> and then that's the class that he panics about and can't attend. He is on a

>504

>

> plan and the school has been VERY cooperative with him not attending class and

> doing his assignment in the library. It's tough because this year it's

science

>

> so he is missing labs and learning out of a book instead. The school should

> work w/ you as long as you have a dr note stating the conditions that are

> causing problems for your child related to school.

>

> I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried therapy for panic attacks? Our dr is

to

>

> the point of, let's try it to see if it works, otherwise we might have to put

> him on IV. Anyone have success w/ this kind of therapy? I will probably try

> therapy myself (Lyme, Bart & Babesia) because I have driving panic attacks.

At

>

> this point, the brain might just need to be rewired and maybe it isn't even a

> symptom anymore. Just a thought.

> Elaine

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

My 10 yo daughter has Lyme and Bartonella as do I. We both suffer from panic

attacks though hers is more severe. Just recently she was afraid to leave the

house. Literally, pacing the floor, kicking and screaming - not willing to go

anywhere! I began taking Gaba (which I purchase from an online Vitamin store)

early in my treatment which I'm sure was very helpful. I began giving her a

smaller dose - a sublingual and it is truly remarkable to difference in makes in

her. It calms her down and helps her to at least listen to me and talk through

what is making her afraid. Sometimes she just has a panic attack over nothing

at all. The Gaba works so well I highly recommend it.

* ´¨) ¸.• ´¸.•* ´¨)¸. •*¨)

(¸.•´ (¸ ;. •´ Tricia

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From: ecckwalk <ecckwalk@...>

Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 7:49:56 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Teen with Lyme and mental health

My 13 yr old son (Lyme & Bartonell), has panic attacks focused on a certain

teacher. Since he has new teachers every year, he hears that one might be mean

and then that's the class that he panics about and can't attend. He is on a 504

plan and the school has been VERY cooperative with him not attending class and

doing his assignment in the library. It's tough because this year it's science

so he is missing labs and learning out of a book instead. The school should

work w/ you as long as you have a dr note stating the conditions that are

causing problems for your child related to school.

I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried therapy for panic attacks? Our dr is to

the point of, let's try it to see if it works, otherwise we might have to put

him on IV. Anyone have success w/ this kind of therapy? I will probably try

therapy myself (Lyme, Bart & Babesia) because I have driving panic attacks. At

this point, the brain might just need to be rewired and maybe it isn't even a

symptom anymore. Just a thought.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

When my daughter would get panic attaches when she was younger she was put on a

bach flower........drops that I put in  her water - worked good........sending

prayers.........having sick children is so hard........everyday is a new thing

and emotion........our poor baby's!!  Diane

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From: ecckwalk <ecckwalk@...>

Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 10:53:38 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Teen with Lyme and mental health

 

Thank you, Tricia. Along w/ the zoloft and buspirone, he started taking (about 3

wks ago) GABA 3xday for 750mg total. It is w/in a capsule of other herbs

recommended by our dr. He is also taking drops of Psy-stabil, a homeopathic mix.

He started these after the panic for this most recent class started, so I'm

wondering if the panic now stems from the fear of another panic. Or, maybe these

supplements just aren't helpful to him or take a while to take effect. What do

you think?

I wish you and your daughter well. This is so difficult on so many people!

Elaine

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry that he is still suffering even with all of those

meds/supplements. I just don't know.

I remember personally having panic attacks afraid I was going to have another

one. It could be that

but I certainly wouldn't overlook anything! I'll keep you in my prayers. It is

a very difficult thing to

deal with.

Tricia

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From: ecckwalk <ecckwalk@...>

Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 10:53:38 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Teen with Lyme and mental health

Thank you, Tricia. Along w/ the zoloft and buspirone, he started taking (about 3

wks ago) GABA 3xday for 750mg total. It is w/in a capsule of other herbs

recommended by our dr. He is also taking drops of Psy-stabil, a homeopathic mix.

He started these after the panic for this most recent class started, so I'm

wondering if the panic now stems from the fear of another panic. Or, maybe these

supplements just aren't helpful to him or take a while to take effect. What do

you think?

I wish you and your daughter well. This is so difficult on so many people!

Elaine

[Guest guest]

My daughter is having anxiety that is giving her increased pain, and probably

vice versa. She sees a psychiatrist and he has put her on a low dose of

Seroquel. We'll see if that helps the panic attacks and insomnia.

Natasha

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From: ecckwalk <ecckwalk@...>

Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 8:23:49 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Teen with Lyme and mental health

Thanks. Yes, I think most of it is the fear of the fear. I found something on

line today about Cog Beh Therapy and it sounds pretty successful. I tried it

when I was driving and I do think it might help after you've worked on it a few

times. Don't know about for a kid though.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

My son took Seroquel for a couple of years, and it did help with sleeping issues

and anxiety!

Hugs

Judy

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From: Natasha Moiseyev <nmoiseyev@...>

Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 12:28:43 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Teen with Lyme and mental health

 

My daughter is having anxiety that is giving her increased pain, and probably

vice versa. She sees a psychiatrist and he has put her on a low dose of

Seroquel. We'll see if that helps the panic attacks and insomnia.

Natasha

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From: ecckwalk <ecckwalk@...>

Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 8:23:49 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Teen with Lyme and mental health

Thanks. Yes, I think most of it is the fear of the fear. I found something on

line today about Cog Beh Therapy and it sounds pretty successful. I tried it

when I was driving and I do think it might help after you've worked on it a few

times. Don't know about for a kid though.

Elaine