Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 What is the blue stuff you inject to put dogs to sleep? My vet used it on my dog, dying of lung cancer at 15, and he said that I was to expect her to sigh and then collapse as a dead weight in my arms, never heard the sigh but she was gone quickly enough, I think she died of exhaustion before the juice even went in myself. Carpenter Re: Re: Doxycycline >Just thought you might be interested to know that as vets we have been using >Doxycycline as a drug for respiratory disease in small animals and pigeons >for sometime under the guise of Ronaxin and ornicure.Might be worth a trip >to the vets!Only trouble is that we probably get charged even more than the >medics do for it! > >Simon >P.S. It helps our patients fly faster! any takers? > Re: Doxycycline > > >> >> Hi Tony, >> >> Exxon Mobil have never insisted that people take doxycycline as malarial >> prophylaxis - howver it it a requirement for all working in EG to take >some >> form of malarial prophylaxis and many prefer doxycycline to mefloquine. >> Malarone is quickly becoming the prophylactic of choice -don't have to >take >> it for a month when you get back etc. Due to its expense (and some GP's >> haven't heard of it/non UK licensed as a prophylactic) it is still not >> widely in use. >> >> Cheers, >> Bill >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2001 Report Share Posted April 22, 2001 The blue stuff was Pentobarbitone Sodium 20% for euthanasia. It is a barbiturate with anaesthetic properties at the right dose.At this dose it will cause euthanasia, passing through anaesthetic levels and beyond in a few moments.A pleasant way to go if you have to...... The sigh is at the end of induction apnoea, common with all the barbiturate anaesthetics. The solution is normally clear but dyes are added to avoid accidental injection/confusion with bottles of other barbiturate anaesthetics.The one we use is yellow. Human equivalents is Nembutal.Good for intractable insomnia........or talk to a medic! ha ha Kind regards Simon Re: Doxycycline > > > > > >> > >> Hi Tony, > >> > >> Exxon Mobil have never insisted that people take doxycycline as malarial > >> prophylaxis - howver it it a requirement for all working in EG to take > >some > >> form of malarial prophylaxis and many prefer doxycycline to mefloquine. > >> Malarone is quickly becoming the prophylactic of choice -don't have to > >take > >> it for a month when you get back etc. Due to its expense (and some GP's > >> haven't heard of it/non UK licensed as a prophylactic) it is still not > >> widely in use. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2001 Report Share Posted April 22, 2001 You don't mean that atovaquone and proguanil by any chance.......? I think by GlaxoWellcome Simon Re: Re: Doxycycline > Very interesting Simon - unfortunately doxycycline costs pennies, don't > suppose you use Malarone?? > > Bill > > > > > > >Just thought you might be interested to know that as vets we have been > >using > >Doxycycline as a drug for respiratory disease in small animals and pigeons > >for sometime under the guise of Ronaxin and ornicure.Might be worth a trip > >to the vets!Only trouble is that we probably get charged even more than the > >medics do for it! > > > >Simon > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2001 Report Share Posted April 22, 2001 Much obliged for the information. You may not want to answer this. As a vet what do you think about the vaccination of livestock against Foot and Mouth, is there actually a risk to people from this course of action? I was told that in S.America they just let it run its course. What is the virus called and does it have any implications for humans or other animals apart from sheep, cattle and deer etc? Carpenter Re: Re: Doxycycline >The blue stuff was Pentobarbitone Sodium 20% for euthanasia. It is a >barbiturate with anaesthetic properties at the right dose.At this dose it >will cause euthanasia, passing through anaesthetic levels and beyond in a >few moments.A pleasant way to go if you have to...... >The sigh is at the end of induction apnoea, common with all the barbiturate >anaesthetics. > >The solution is normally clear but dyes are added to avoid accidental >injection/confusion >with bottles of other barbiturate anaesthetics.The one we use is yellow. > >Human equivalents is Nembutal.Good for intractable insomnia........or talk >to a medic! ha ha > >Kind regards >Simon > Re: Doxycycline >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Hi Tony, >> >> >> >> Exxon Mobil have never insisted that people take doxycycline as >malarial >> >> prophylaxis - howver it it a requirement for all working in EG to take >> >some >> >> form of malarial prophylaxis and many prefer doxycycline to mefloquine. >> >> Malarone is quickly becoming the prophylactic of choice -don't have to >> >take >> >> it for a month when you get back etc. Due to its expense (and some GP's >> >> haven't heard of it/non UK licensed as a prophylactic) it is still not >> >> widely in use. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >_________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2001 Report Share Posted April 23, 2001 Hi Bill, Malarone seems to be taking off although our official company stance is still with Larium. I'm sure you have had the same experince of actually noticing when the persons Larium day is!!. My boss in town started Malarone the other month, his first week and ended up posative PF Malaria!!. One tip is to make sure they take it the same time as it has been known to be short acting on the system. Cheers Tony Re: Re: Doxycycline > Very interesting Simon - unfortunately doxycycline costs pennies, don't > suppose you use Malarone?? > > Bill > > > > > > >Just thought you might be interested to know that as vets we have been > >using > >Doxycycline as a drug for respiratory disease in small animals and pigeons > >for sometime under the guise of Ronaxin and ornicure.Might be worth a trip > >to the vets!Only trouble is that we probably get charged even more than the > >medics do for it! > > > >Simon > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 I did not experience a weight gain and I was taking Acidphex will it because of previous stomach problems. Irene in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 Doxycycline > In a message dated 11/23/02 3:39:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, > writes: First thing I'm addressing is EBV and that's why I'm doing this BHT experiment and at the same time I'm taking Chisolm TF which not only covers BHT but also lyme if I have it and even the lyme coinfections except for one I think which he'll add to the formula in the near future. Also, he's going to add mycoplasmas into his next formula several months from now and he's gonna throw nanobacteria in too just for the heck of it. > , I've lost your chain of thought here. Are you saying that Chisolm is going to add mycoplasmas to their TF formulations, or did I misread you? If so, do you know any approximate time frame? I've recently tested positive for m. fermentans, and exploring treatment options. Donna in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 Yes, you have it right Donna. Chisolm is going to add mycoplasma to a whole new formula and it should have the nanobacteria in it too. This formula should be a formula on its own and will not be mixed in to the current #2 they they put out now for CFS which includes lyme and most of the lyme coinfections. I would not look forward to it any earlier than spring. I will alert the group when it comes out though. Chip said it would be done quicker but the lab they get the pathogens from is so busy that they actually put them on hold--maybe b/c of 911 perhaps that the lab is so busy as to not give them the pathogens they desire in a timely manner. So time is the factor right now but at least the plan is in effect. > > Doxycycline > > > > In a message dated 11/23/02 3:39:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > @y... writes: > First thing I'm addressing is EBV and that's why I'm doing this BHT > experiment and at the same time I'm taking Chisolm TF which not only covers > BHT but also lyme if I have it and even the lyme coinfections except for > one I think which he'll add to the formula in the near future. Also, he's > going to add mycoplasmas into his next formula several months from now and > he's gonna throw nanobacteria in too just for the heck of it. > > > > , > I've lost your chain of thought here. Are you saying that Chisolm is going > to add mycoplasmas to their TF formulations, or did I misread you? If so, > do you know any approximate time frame? I've recently tested positive for m. > fermentans, and exploring treatment options. > Donna in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Common Drug Found To Reduce Cartilage Loss In Knee Osteoarthritis http://medicine.indiana.edu/news_releases/archive_03/doxycycline_knee_osteo03.ht\ ml A study led by Indiana University scientists found that a common antibiotic appears to reduce cartilage loss and pain in women whose knees show early signs of the crippling effects of osteoarthritis. The results suggest that doxycycline, a prescription medicine used to treat infections and acne, suppresses enzymes that damage cartilage and may protect cartilage not yet affected by the degenerative disease, said the scientist who led the study. D. Brandt, a professor of medicine and of orthopedic surgery at the Indiana University School of Medicine, said the study is the first to convincingly demonstrate a pharmacological effect in slowing cartilage damage in patients with osteoarthritis. He said the findings do not necessarily mean doxycycline could be a treatment for osteoarthritis, but instead suggest a relatively fast method for testing a wide range of drugs on a condition common among older Americans, especially women. " Up until this point there has been a general inhibition of doing this type of research, " Brandt said. " The question has been, 'Could it demonstrate a drug effect in people in a study that didn't cost the moon and take 20 years to show? " ' Brandt, who was the principal investigator for the National Institutes of Health-funded study, hopes the findings encourage other scientists and the pharmaceutical industry to develop a variety of agents that can be similarly tested. Osteoarthritis is the leading cause of disability among elderly Americans, afflicting about 70 percent of people over the age of 60. The study was conducted over a 30-month period at six sites across the nation on overweight women ranging in age from 45 to 64 years. Study participants had standard X-ray evidence of osteoarthritis in only one knee at the start of the trial but were at very high risk for the development of osteoarthritis in the good knee in the near future, Brandt said. Half of the 431 participants were randomly assigned to receive a placebo, and the other half received doxycycline. Both the placebo and the 100 milligrams of the antibiotic were administered twice daily to each participant. At the end of the 30 months, X-rays showed that the women who received doxycycline had an average 33 percent less cartilage loss - about 0.15 of a millimeter less - in their affected knee, compared with the group that received the placebo. There was also preliminary evidence that doxycycline had a beneficial effect on the participants' unaffected knees. In addition, Brandt said the results showed that women taking doxycycline were less likely to report " clinically significant increases " in knee pain compared with those in the placebo group. And participants with the most frequent increases in joint pain exhibited the most rapid loss of cartilage, he said. Brandt said further study is needed to determine whether cartilage loss causes pain or whether other factors may be to blame. He said the study's most important contribution was using fluoroscopy - a technique for obtaining " live " X-ray images of a living patient - to place each subject's knees in the same position for the series of X-rays that tracked changes in knee cartilage. The study's initial results were released in November at the annual scientific meeting of the American College of Rheumatology. Marc C. Hochberg, a professor of medicine at the University of land in Baltimore who was not involved in the study, said the findings are compelling and add to evidence that certain enzymes produced by the body destroy cartilage. Similar results with doxycycline had already been shown in animal studies, and the next step will be to replicate Brandt's findings, he said. " It would be nice to see a second study to replicate the results before we go out with this recommendation that our patients take doxycycline, " Hochberg said. He said some researchers are already trying to chemically modify some tetracyclines - a family of antibiotics of which doxycycline is a member - to remove their antibacterial qualities but preserve their ability to suppress the damaging enzymes. The goal would be a drug that provides a therapy for osteoarthritis without the common side effects of antibiotics, including nausea, vomiting and light sensitivity. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- INDIANAPOLIS - A common antibiotic may help control the pain and joint damage of knee osteoarthritis, according to a recent study led by researchers at the Indiana University School of Medicine. Researchers at six sites studied the effect of doxycycline over a 30-month period on women with knee osteoarthritis. Doxycycline is a member of the tetracycline family of antibiotics. D. Brandt, M.D., professor of medicine and of orthopaedic surgery and director of the Section of Multipurpose Arthritis and Musculoskeletal Diseases Center at the IU School of Medicine, was the principal investigator for this National Institutes of Health study. " This study is particularly noteworthy because it is the first one to convincingly demonstrate a pharmacologic effect in slowing cartilage damage in patients with osteoarthritis, " says Dr. Brandt. The study looked at the progression of osteoarthritic cartilage loss and knee pain in 431 women between the ages of 45 and 64 years, all of whom were overweight. Study participants had standard X-ray evidence of osteoarthritis in only one knee at the beginning of the trial. Participants were randomly assigned to receive either doxycycline in the amount of 100 milligrams twice daily or a placebo. Doxycycline treatment resulted in a 33 percent decrease in the rate of cartilage loss as shown in the X-rays. Although, doxycycline slowed the progression of cartilage damage in the arthritic knee, it did not significantly affect the knee that was not arthritic at the outset of the trial. That is not surprising, Dr. Brandt says, because the underlying mechanisms of joint damage respond differently to treatment at different stages of the disease. He added that the positive effects seen with doxycycline did not suggest that osteoarthritis was an infectious disease. This drug has a unique quality among antibiotics that inhibits the enzymes responsible for the softening and breakdown of joint cartilage in this form of arthritis, he said. In general, reports of pain at the onset of the study were relatively low. As the study progressed, participants taking doxycycline were less likely to report clinically significant increases in knee pain in comparison to the group taking placebo. There was a direct correlation between frequency of flares of joint pain and the rate of cartilage loss in the arthritic knee. Those with the most frequent increases in joint pain exhibited the most rapid loss of cartilage. " This raises the question of which is the chicken and which is the egg, " says Dr. Brandt. " It has not been clear if the loss of cartilage results in joint pain or whether other mechanisms that cause pain, and perhaps joint inflammation, result in cartilage loss. This question warrants additional study. " The initial results of the study were released in November at the annual scientific meeting of the American College of Rheumatology. Additional information on the results of the study will be published in the near future. IU School of Medicine staff involved with the study include A. Mazzuca, Ph.D., professor and senior scientists in the Division of Rheumatology; Barry Katz, director of the Division of Biostatistics in the IU Department of Medicine, and Kathy Lane, study administrator. Other participating sites were the University of Alabama at Birmingham, Rush-Presbyterian-St. Lukes Medical Center, Northwestern University Medical Center, University of Pittsburgh Medical Center and the Arthritis Research Center Foundation in Wichita, Kan. doxycycline I READ SOMETHING ABOUT DOXY SLOWING THE RATE OF CARTLIAGE LOSS, ANY INFO ON THIS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Hi last spring i did Doxycyclene for about 2 weeks for the same thing--possibilty of lyme. I felt like the bastards were really leaving me. trying to exit from inside me. but it made me so sensitive to the sun that i quit taking it--i was getting fried with blisters. i still think about taking it--it was the only time i felt like they were really trying tto leave. Rmember to take a good probiotic--the antibiotics will give you candida. love L --- fritolay66 <fritolay66@...> wrote: > > I have been thinking again......eishhh Nasal > Membranes. > > OK, it would seem when it was considered that I may > have Lyme, I was put > on doxy. During that time is when I became very > ill. High fever, > chills, body and joint ACHES, downright pain, and a > headache from the > black depths, nausea, vomiting, etc. But also > during that time I > noticed a change in my mites. I told you all they > were falling off of > me, and that I wasn't sure what was going on. At > the time I didn't > associate the doxy with the mites. Until yesterday. > My forehead lesion > hurt so bad and it was cherry red. Assuming cherry > red indicated > infection and the pain also, I took one of my doxy > capsules and broke it > apart just like you would with our MSM capsules. I > dabbed the powder on > the lesion and then rubbed it in with the MSM > lotion. I had big ones > (whatever that means, mites, follicle, I don't know > things) popping out > after application. I again tried it on my forehead > this evening and > wow. All day today I had black specks dropping out. > I think I was in > the bathroom half the day. Tonight I put it on a > lesion on my arm. > Same thing. I haven't been able to research the > possibilities of doxy, > but I was desperate for something for my nose. I > didn't want to use > lotion in my nose and I forgot about the olive oil > thing, so I wet the > tip of my finger, dabbed it in the doxy and swiped > my nose. (Try not to > visualize this, it isn't very flattering or lady > like.....ROFL...jammed > way up there I did....lol) I am still tasting doxy. > But......it isn't > poisoness, and it stopped activity in its tracks. > Seems to dry them up > and paralyze them. Now, don't all of you go and > stick your fingers up > your nose quite yet, I am not sure about this. Will > observe for a > couple of days and let you know. Hope you > smiled...... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Years ago, my first rheumy tried a month long course of a couple of different antibiotics with topicals before we even tried light therapy for my P. Felt as though it was the least invasive thing to rule out first. I didn't come down with PA until after Katrina (and we know that wasn't stressful to residents of New Orleans) and my dermatologist put me on biologics as soon as he realized what was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Sometimes, when I get another illness like a cold or flu, I go off my PA meds so that I can fight the infection with my body. Once the infection has left, I often have a week or two when the PA symptoms nearly disappear. This has recently happened to me again, and as i have stopped working, and my stress is minimal, I find that I am feeling nearly the same without meds and no work as I did with meds and work. In some ways, I feel better as I am not dealing with the side effects of the meds. That's how it works for me, et. al. All the best to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Hi, I too stopped almost all of my meds (PsA & others). I've been off the Enbrel for a month and off the Z-PAK for 2 weeks, I am in alot of pain in most of my joints. I would really like to try some kind of natural pain relief but I don't no what. Anyone recommend something cheap & effective. Lori in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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