Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Hi Glen, I'm not sure about the flu shot & Lyme but one thing you may have to be careful of is the Mercury in the flu shot. I had Mercury Toxicity in addition to Lyme so my doc advised me not to get the flu shot due to the Mercury levels. I didn't think the Mercury stayed n your system but it does so it would slowly build up over time. I hope that helps! Jeannie Glenroy Wolfsen <wolfsen@...> wrote: Does anyone know it is advisable to get the FLU SHOT while still infected with Lyme?? Glen from NJ.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Kath: My pharmacist isn't in now - he is very good on these issues - having had Lyme along with his whole family - I am going to call tomorrow - they are open a short time and he might have some good advice - either way, I will get back to you ASAP - Glen ps) I can't seem to " cut " any of the other parts of these message in this email system I am using - so I am sorry to have all of this sent again>>!! Re: [ ] Flu Shot I've gotten mixed answers about this on other forums, so I dont know WHAT I'm gonna do either. My job gives them and it will be offered soon. A few mentioned the mercury. A few said they will not go near a flu shot because of our already weakened resistance, and some said they definately will get it due to just that...the risk of getting flu and being sick warrents the shot. What I really dont get is that they are all mostly saying that their LLMD is telling them these things, which tells me that Nobody knows and so here I am still confused. I am a nurse in a nursing home, and my gut is telling me maybe I SHOULD get the shot to help protect me from what ills the aging population. If you find out anything definative on this,Glen, please bring it back here. luv Kath Jeannie W <jeanniew58@...> wrote: Hi Glen, I'm not sure about the flu shot & Lyme but one thing you may have to be careful of is the Mercury in the flu shot. I had Mercury Toxicity in addition to Lyme so my doc advised me not to get the flu shot due to the Mercury levels. I didn't think the Mercury stayed n your system but it does so it would slowly build up over time. I hope that helps! Jeannie Glenroy Wolfsen <wolfsen@...> wrote: Does anyone know it is advisable to get the FLU SHOT while still infected with Lyme?? Glen from NJ.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 I've gotten mixed answers about this on other forums, so I dont know WHAT I'm gonna do either. My job gives them and it will be offered soon. A few mentioned the mercury. A few said they will not go near a flu shot because of our already weakened resistance, and some said they definately will get it due to just that...the risk of getting flu and being sick warrents the shot. What I really dont get is that they are all mostly saying that their LLMD is telling them these things, which tells me that Nobody knows and so here I am still confused. I am a nurse in a nursing home, and my gut is telling me maybe I SHOULD get the shot to help protect me from what ills the aging population. If you find out anything definative on this,Glen, please bring it back here. luv Kath Jeannie W <jeanniew58@...> wrote: Hi Glen, I'm not sure about the flu shot & Lyme but one thing you may have to be careful of is the Mercury in the flu shot. I had Mercury Toxicity in addition to Lyme so my doc advised me not to get the flu shot due to the Mercury levels. I didn't think the Mercury stayed n your system but it does so it would slowly build up over time. I hope that helps! Jeannie Glenroy Wolfsen <wolfsen@...> wrote: Does anyone know it is advisable to get the FLU SHOT while still infected with Lyme?? Glen from NJ.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Hi Glen Can't answer your question directly and have no scientific knowledge on it, but I did have to get a MMR booster a couple years ago for college and it did a terrible number on my system.I fought it tooth and nail with the college but either I got it or I wouldn't be let back in to college. On top of it all I have already had the MMR shot three other times, but only had proof of one. And my titer came back that I still wasn't immune to mumps. Go figure! I know an MMR shot is not the same as the flu shot, but in a sense it is...with putting something in your body that is part of an illness. I think its putting one more stressor on your body with a slim chance that without it you'll get the flu. I'd rather take my chances with getting the flu. And yes I've had the flu and we've all felt like we have the flu with Lyme. Jaye Glenroy Wolfsen <wolfsen@...> wrote: Does anyone know it is advisable to get the FLU SHOT while still infected with Lyme?? Glen from NJ.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Glen Please let us know what your pharmacist says. I wish I had read further in emails, didn't see all the other answers. I just know your putting something in your body that can stay in your body vs maybe getting the flu. But with the situation Kathy said about being a nurse in a nursing home that would maybe change my mind but probably not. I have to go call my LLMD Monday, when I do I'll try and remember to ask her thoughts on it. Jaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 I never took a flu shot and worked in schools........finally when a bad one was coming my dr. said I should, since lymies have such a compromised immune system sometimes. What he does is give 1/2 shot then two weeks, the other half.. I never got sick from the shot or the flu.......and believe me the schools are a breeding spot for flu. connie, michigan Re: [ ] Flu Shot > Glen > > Please let us know what your pharmacist says. I wish I had read further > in emails, didn't see all the other answers. > > I just know your putting something in your body that can stay in your > body vs maybe getting the flu. But with the situation Kathy said about > being a nurse in a nursing home that would maybe change my mind but > probably not. > > I have to go call my LLMD Monday, when I do I'll try and remember to ask > her thoughts on it. > > Jaye > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Most forums I go to say that flu shots contain toxins that feed pathogens and just tons of stuff about how bad they are. I have seen studies linking them to Alzheimers and such. I get no vaccines any more. Heidi N From: Glen in NJ " Does anyone know it is advisable to get the FLU SHOT while still infected with Lyme?? " ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Connie, Thank for you mentioning the half dose + half dose of your injection. I don't think that most in the healthcasre fields understand how this might be helpful for our compromised immune systems. I don't think that those you are getting the 'free flu shots at work' will have this opportunity... because this is usally a 1-day only event. I wonder if they could negotiate to have a 2nd needle made available to them at a later time. / Charolette :-) Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new . Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail..ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 sherry, i had a slight flare of joint pain for about 24hrs after flu shot but no where near the pain that you are describing.hope it won't last . marylou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Hi Sherry, I work for a health authority that includes public health and I have asked the nurses about that since I experienced misery as well. What they told me was first I don't need to worry about harmful effects because the vaccine is a dead one vs a live one which would be big trouble for those of us who use immuno-suppressives. Then I was told that usually everyone is going to experience some kind of side effect and that people like us who have autoimmune disorders will almost always experience a flare up ranging from mild to moderately severe - and that the 48 to 72 hour period of this that other people experience will likely last a little longer for us because our immune systems don't know when to back off. Last year after my flu shot I had quite a bit of pain too but it did eventually calm down in about five days. Unfortunately we are all different so there's no guarantee that what one person experiences will be the same for us all. Their advice was to just take my pain medication and hang in there. I would suggest though that by the end of this week if you are still experiencing any extreme symptoms go to your GP to make sure that your reaction is still within normal (for us) range. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Hi All, " Crossing the Rubicon " by C. Ruppert has some interesting stuff on vaccines. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/103-4178961-9879054?initialSearch=1 & url=sea\ rch-alias%3Dstripbooks & field-keywords=Crossing+the+Rubicon%3A+The+Decline+of+the\ %0AAmerican+Empire+at+the+End+of+the+Age+of+Oil%0A+C.+Ruppert%0A & Go.x=10 & \ Go.y=11 at www.amazon.com On the web see href=http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index.shtml Jack PS: I've been getting my flu shot every year since I started antibiotics in 2000. Ambitionn01@... wrote: > > Most forums I go to say that flu shots contain toxins > that feed pathogens and just tons of stuff about how bad > they are. I have seen studies linking them to Alzheimers > and such. I get no vaccines any more. > > Heidi N > > From: Glen in NJ > " Does anyone know it is advisable to get the FLU SHOT while still infected > with Lyme?? " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Hi Sherry, I have gotten a flu shot, every year for the last 7 or more. I haven't had a flare like you describe. Sometimes a little achy but that has been about the extent. Though I've never been on Humira. Could it possibly be an interaction? How close in time was your flu shot to your Humira shot? Might that have something to do with it? Hopefully you get back to normal soon. I'd definitely let your rheumy know regardless of when you bounce back. Stay Well, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Hi all, I have had the flu shot for 20 years and never had a reaction. I have had lyme for 5 years. i think its ok. The flu causes so many complications such as pneumonia. I think its worth it. carrie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I know it sounds unbelievable and doesn't make sense at first, but there really is something to the MMR and autism and lyme and numerous other diseases. I really don't like spending the time to look up references but I guess I will. Basically, there is just too much of an overwhelming outcry linking the MMR to various diseases that it just can't be ignored. The DPT comes in second place. I have seen so many unbelievable stories, news reports, science, etc. But the bottom line is the overwhelming evidence. You don't want to know it. If you don't want to cry, than don't look at these websites because your view of mankind will be changed forever. This is just a tidbit of the beyond numerous arguments against vaccines. Do you really think all these people have nothing better to do than to donate their time for such a cause if there was not some truth to it. The evidence is beyond overwhelming. As far as MMR causing Lyme. Some theories I have heard is that it harms the immune system, allowing pathogens like lyme to grow; vaccines contain pathogens that link with other pathogens in us to make a new stronger species; and the vaccines, themselves, contain pathogen contaminations, infected by the various animals the vaccines are made from, being that it is unrealistic to believe that all viruses can be removed from living tissue. _http://www.rense.com/general45/tentimes.htm_ (http://www.rense.com/general45/tentimes.htm) _http://www.aapsonline.org/nod/newsofday265.php_ (http://www.aapsonline.org/nod/newsofday265.php) _http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646 & q=autism+vaccines & total=492 & start=0 & num=10 & so=0 & type=search & plindex=0_ (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646 & q=autism+vaccines & t\ otal=492 & start=0 & num=1 0 & so=0 & type=search & plindex=0) _http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/Elswood94.html_ (http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/Elswood94.html) _http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010_ (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010) _http://www.autismfile.com/articles/issue1_10.htm_ (http://www.autismfile.com/articles/issue1_10.htm) _http://www.jpands.org/vol11no1/geier.pdf_ (http://www.jpands.org/vol11no1/geier.pdf) _http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/_ (http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/) _http://home.att.net/~dstormmom/metcalf.htm_ (http://home.att.net/~dstormmom/metcalf.htm) _http://www.med-library.net/content/view/319/41/_ (http://www.med-library.net/content/view/319/41/) _http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/vaccine.html_ (http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/vaccine.html) Heidi N ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Kurt's right. I have read that studies show the least likely kids to be vaccinated are doctor's kids. Heidi N ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hi there. I got my flu shot last Wednesday, and can say I am pretty much back to normal pain now. I had just noticed extreme pain in the morning and at night, which is my normal m.o. anyway, but worse since the flu shot. But if it helps me from getting the flu, I guess it was worth it. I know everyone's body is different, but it sounds like a flare triggered by the shot. I hope it passes quickly :0) Tammie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 c'mon people.... the world is not ALWAYS one big conspiracy... we should probably stop taking aspirin too, as I've heard from the friend of my brother's boss's wife's pool boy that the stuff can kill ya.... after all it's only been around for about 125 years... I think we should test it longer before pushing it on people.... ;-) I think most medical experts (and on this one I bet you can boldly even lump IDSA and ILADS docs together) would say get your flu shot unless you're feeling sick, are really elderly and frail, are an infant or young child, or have AIDS... MILLIONS of people get flu shots and the stats don't lie; as a group they get the flu less... which if you are not clear on things medical, is a good thing... you need to mix more forums from medically diverse sources into your reading. try the CDC (look, I know they got LD wrong, but they have a lot right too...) and even WebMD for starters. you lose all credibility when you imply that " getting no vaccines anymore " is somehow a good thing... Lastly, where is the moderation on this group??? Posters like this are dangerous.... I read this group very infrequently (gee I wonder why?), but felt compelled to respond. Immunizations are a good thing. Encouraging people to not get them is a bad, irresponsible thing. Ask any school nurse what they think about parents who are ignorant or lazy about keeping up with their children's immunizations. There is a sane, reasonable medical reason for immunizing people, which is why states mandate it, and why schools won't allow you to attend until & unless you can show you've received shot like the MMR; it's called preventing the epidemic spread of harmful, sometimes fatal, disease... which again, if you are high on crack, or are not quite clear on things medical, is a good thing... ;-) btw, I am C6 positive, got my flu shot last week, still have a pulse... and I haven't gotten the flu yet... although maybe it's the damn flu shot that's made me so irritable lately.... ;-) (just kidding) _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ambitionn01@... Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: [ ] Re:Flu Shot Most forums I go to say that flu shots contain toxins that feed pathogens and just tons of stuff about how bad they are. I have seen studies linking them to Alzheimers and such. I get no vaccines any more. Heidi N From: Glen in NJ " Does anyone know it is advisable to get the FLU SHOT while still infected with Lyme?? " ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol. <http://www.aol.com> com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Thanks to all who replied. , our cases sound very similar. The swelling hit at about 36 hours after the injection. I had been having a slight amount of pain in the ball of that foot before, so I can understand why it hit that particular area. I wasn't worried about it being an adverse reaction to the flu shot - just was wondering whether it being a trigger for a joint flare was common. I'm pretty sure that is what this is and that the flu shot triggered it. This is day 3 and I think it may be a little better. The swelling, heat, and redness subsides greatly overnight but as soon as I walk on it, it begins to flare again. I'm pretty much staying in bed or in my recliner with ice. I think it's not as bad as it was at this time yesterday, so hopefully a couple more days things will be back to " normal. " The rheumy's nurse called this morning to say that my blood work done Friday looked good. I told her about the foot and she said if it's not much better by tomorrow night I should come in Thursday and let them take a look. thanks everyone, sherry z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 , I took my Humira Sat. morning after getting the flu shot Fri. morning. I think the previous dose of Humira was pretty much worn off, setting me up for a bad flare after the flu shot. I don't think there are any reported interactions between Humira and flu shots. I just happened to have the flu shot at the worst possible time in my Humira cycle. thanks, sherry z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 She should have access to the package insert of the vaccine that is being administered, then read the risks. FDA offers info on various Influenza vaccine mercury levels as well as other info: http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t2 The CDC offers info on Influenza adverse events: http://tinyurl.com/2nbqcf http://tinyurl.com/2jjrz4 -Michele > > My daughter dental hygenist in NYC just called and asked if there was a > site for her to go to about the flue shot. They are putting the > pressure on for all of the employees to have it and she keeps refusing. > > She wants something that she can show with the information about not > having it. > > Thanks > Bonnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Well usually best not to debate them about it. She just says no - she doesn't have to explain - why do people think they have to explain and convince someone Live your life the way you want and don't give into abuse or pressure! http://www.wellwithin1.com/flu.htm much on my pages Sheri > > > > >> >> My daughter dental hygenist in NYC just called and asked if there >was a >> site for her to go to about the flue shot. They are putting the >> pressure on for all of the employees to have it and she keeps >refusing. >> >> She wants something that she can show with the information about >not >> having it. >> >> Thanks >> Bonnie >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account Voicemail US 530-740-0561 Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email November 7 & 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 I don’t know but my answer is always “take some more vita C” Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2, and due 2/08 Some minds are like concrete: Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 4:54 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 4:54 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 At 05:19 PM 11/15/2007 -0000, you wrote: >Hi! Does anyone know how long after getting the flu shot the host sheds >the virus? (being that it is a live virus) I have a daycare, & a child >just received the shot & is sick from it. I want to make sure none of >the other kids get it from him. My understanding was it is shed for 5 >to 7 days. Any additional info would be much appreciated. Thanks, > > The flu shot is not live The Flumist inhalable one is live. But I have heard reports of people getting sick a person who got the shot, but there is nothing on it as it is a killed vaccine and is not supposed to do that. Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account Voicemail US 530-740-0561 Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email November 7 & 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 The flu shot isn't live, but it almost always makes the recipients sick. My son went to day care last week, and one of the boys had just had his flu shot and was sick. (Fortunately, the mom said " well, now I know not to do that anymore. " ) And Jack got a cold. Every single person I know who gets the flu shot gets sick. And yet, they go back for more. Lemmings. *sigh* ~Robyn - sorry for the cynicism, it's been a rough day on the Internet wrote: > Hi! Does anyone know how long after getting the flu shot the host sheds > the virus? (being that it is a live virus) I have a daycare, & a child > just received the shot & is sick from it. I want to make sure none of > the other kids get it from him. My understanding was it is shed for 5 > to 7 days. Any additional info would be much appreciated. Thanks, > > > -- Robyn Image: Robyn and Jack robyn@... <mailto:%20robyn@...> http://www.rmcsquared.net/ <http://www.idealbite.com/dailytip/link.php?URL=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5pZGVhbGJpdGUuY29t\ YWRtaW4vY29udGVudC9Mb2NhbCBTZXR0aW5ncy9UZW1wb3JhcnkgSW50ZXJuZXQgRmlsZXMvT0xLREMv\ d3d3LmlkZWFsYml0ZS5jb20%3D & Name= & EncryptedMemberID=OTI1MzA%3D & CampaignID=1 & Campa\ ignStatisticsID=178 & Demo=0 & Email=robynalumni (DOT) cmu.edu> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 , As fr as I know no one suggests that a flu shot harms people with CLL, only that it may not help. I get one every year and have had no problems. Carolyn, age 78, Providence, Ri, dx 9/04, W & W --- LINDA WARNER <warner@...> wrote: > Hello to all. I just returned from vacation in > Forida and I know it is time to get the flu shot. I > am a little hesitant because last year I felt bad > for about 2 weeks. I have had several flu shots in > the past and never got sick. My CLL seems to be > doing well last cbc showed my WBC went from 22,000 > to around 8,000. Any comments of the flu shot. > Since I am felling better than I have felt in a > while Im concerned that it may trigger the cll. Do > all of you get the flu shot? Thanks for any > comments. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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