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Hi Kaethe --

My younger daughter had " stretch marks " all over her legs when she was in fifth

grade and her pediatrician told me they were stretch marks. Idiot. I took her

to the LLMD and by a year later they had faded. I don't think these bigger

ones, which look like dragon claw parks, will ever disappear completely. They

are fading in places now and showing up vividly in others.

Did your LLMD tell you why they appear if the Bartonella is not flaring?

We are waiting for the Bartonella stuff from our LLMD -- he said to take it but

didn't have any so he had to order it (you can't order it directly). I hope it

will help. My daughter is now back to having terrible pain in the soles of her

feet. I am so tired of her being sick.

On the bright side, she is back to being funny, has more energy and can think

better, so apparently something has improved.

I am glad we are en route to trying Byron White. We were doing IV silver for a

while and it made a huge difference, but we had to stop due to quality control

issues with the manufacturer. I like the idea of using something powerful other

than antibiotics to pound these bugs.

My doctor said that teas are a great way to get herbs, and that we really

couldn't drink too much green, licorice and ginger tea. I find that those

really detox me well --I'm the only one in my family who seems willing to drink

them and I am pretty close to well now -- I'd say, most days, 95%. It's very

exciting.

Thanks for your reassuring words.

Warmly,

Natasha

________________________________

From: Kaethe <batikquilt@...>

Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 7:26:55 AM

Subject: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

Natasha,

I know how frightening it can be to see those bartonella streaks. My daughter

had gone on an antibiotic holiday in the fall. She needed to do it to give her

body a break to rid itself of built-up toxins. The doctor also wanted to see

which symptoms would re-emerge so he could mount a new attack.

Within a few weeks, the streaks that had faded over the summer reappeared in a

huge way. They were on the sides of her abdomen. They were angry-looking, dark

reddish-purple, about six inches long. As if that weren't scary enough, three

days later they had spread completely around her abdomen, front, back and

sides. A call to the LLMD put my mind at ease when he said it does not

necessarily mean that the bartonella is rapidly multiplying. I kept that in

mind over the next few days while she finished up her Coartem for babesia. When

she started back on the bartonella meds, the streaks began to fade once again.

Scary as that was, I am grateful for her wise LLMD and his reassurance. It also

proves to me that those streaks are not " merely " stretch marks and she is on the

correct treatment!

Are you beginning to see an improvement? Do not hesitate to call the doctor

whenever you have concerns. I hope your girls are healing and their streaks are

fading.

Kaethe

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Dear Natasha,

Meg is doing well on the Byron White Bartonella and Lyme drops. She has

managed a bit of a busier schedule without setbacks, and she has some

life in her eyes that has been missing for a while. She had those

horrible bart stripes for years before we learned what they were. She

had them on her sides and her front, but the worst was the Christmas

tree rash down her entire back. I found that they would fade to white,

but not disappear and then would get angry purple in a flare. With alot

of treatments they finally faded, and are now gone. Dr. H felt the drops

were worth doing though given some of the symptoms that could be bart.

Because Bart can be so difficult to totally clear out, he believes in

treating it a bit longer I think.

Some LLMDs told us the stripes lasted after the infection was cleared

but others said if they were there it was sign the bart was still there.

When she was being treated the stripes always got lighter or

disappeared, so I really do think it is a sign infection is still

present. Not growing or flaring bad, but there non the less.

Good luck,

Z

On 1/16/2011 10:38 AM, Natasha Moiseyev wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi Kaethe --

>

> My younger daughter had " stretch marks " all over her legs when she was

> in fifth

> grade and her pediatrician told me they were stretch marks. Idiot. I

> took her

> to the LLMD and by a year later they had faded. I don't think these

> bigger

> ones, which look like dragon claw parks, will ever disappear

> completely. They

> are fading in places now and showing up vividly in others.

>

> Did your LLMD tell you why they appear if the Bartonella is not flaring?

>

> We are waiting for the Bartonella stuff from our LLMD -- he said to

> take it but

> didn't have any so he had to order it (you can't order it directly). I

> hope it

> will help. My daughter is now back to having terrible pain in the

> soles of her

> feet. I am so tired of her being sick.

>

> On the bright side, she is back to being funny, has more energy and

> can think

> better, so apparently something has improved.

>

> I am glad we are en route to trying Byron White. We were doing IV

> silver for a

> while and it made a huge difference, but we had to stop due to quality

> control

> issues with the manufacturer. I like the idea of using something

> powerful other

> than antibiotics to pound these bugs.

>

> My doctor said that teas are a great way to get herbs, and that we really

> couldn't drink too much green, licorice and ginger tea. I find that those

> really detox me well --I'm the only one in my family who seems willing

> to drink

> them and I am pretty close to well now -- I'd say, most days, 95%.

> It's very

> exciting.

>

> Thanks for your reassuring words.

>

> Warmly,

>

> Natasha

>

> ________________________________

> From: Kaethe <batikquilt@...

> <mailto:batikquilt%40>>

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 7:26:55 AM

> Subject: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

>

> Natasha,

>

> I know how frightening it can be to see those bartonella streaks. My

> daughter

> had gone on an antibiotic holiday in the fall. She needed to do it to

> give her

> body a break to rid itself of built-up toxins. The doctor also wanted

> to see

> which symptoms would re-emerge so he could mount a new attack.

>

> Within a few weeks, the streaks that had faded over the summer

> reappeared in a

> huge way. They were on the sides of her abdomen. They were

> angry-looking, dark

>

> reddish-purple, about six inches long. As if that weren't scary

> enough, three

> days later they had spread completely around her abdomen, front, back and

> sides. A call to the LLMD put my mind at ease when he said it does not

> necessarily mean that the bartonella is rapidly multiplying. I kept

> that in

> mind over the next few days while she finished up her Coartem for

> babesia. When

>

> she started back on the bartonella meds, the streaks began to fade

> once again.

>

> Scary as that was, I am grateful for her wise LLMD and his

> reassurance. It also

>

> proves to me that those streaks are not " merely " stretch marks and she

> is on the

>

> correct treatment!

>

> Are you beginning to see an improvement? Do not hesitate to call the

> doctor

> whenever you have concerns. I hope your girls are healing and their

> streaks are

>

> fading.

>

> Kaethe

>

>

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hi, i was wondering if you could tell me if meg recovered from bartonella with

the byron white protocol alone or in combination with antibiotics and if so,

which antibiotics did you use?

thanks,

michelle

________________________________

From: Faces <faces@...>

Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 1:59:04 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

 

Dear Natasha,

Meg is doing well on the Byron White Bartonella and Lyme drops. She has

managed a bit of a busier schedule without setbacks, and she has some

life in her eyes that has been missing for a while. She had those

horrible bart stripes for years before we learned what they were. She

had them on her sides and her front, but the worst was the Christmas

tree rash down her entire back. I found that they would fade to white,

but not disappear and then would get angry purple in a flare. With alot

of treatments they finally faded, and are now gone. Dr. H felt the drops

were worth doing though given some of the symptoms that could be bart.

Because Bart can be so difficult to totally clear out, he believes in

treating it a bit longer I think.

Some LLMDs told us the stripes lasted after the infection was cleared

but others said if they were there it was sign the bart was still there.

When she was being treated the stripes always got lighter or

disappeared, so I really do think it is a sign infection is still

present. Not growing or flaring bad, but there non the less.

Good luck,

Z

On 1/16/2011 10:38 AM, Natasha Moiseyev wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi Kaethe --

>

> My younger daughter had " stretch marks " all over her legs when she was

> in fifth

> grade and her pediatrician told me they were stretch marks. Idiot. I

> took her

> to the LLMD and by a year later they had faded. I don't think these

> bigger

> ones, which look like dragon claw parks, will ever disappear

> completely. They

> are fading in places now and showing up vividly in others.

>

> Did your LLMD tell you why they appear if the Bartonella is not flaring?

>

> We are waiting for the Bartonella stuff from our LLMD -- he said to

> take it but

> didn't have any so he had to order it (you can't order it directly). I

> hope it

> will help. My daughter is now back to having terrible pain in the

> soles of her

> feet. I am so tired of her being sick.

>

> On the bright side, she is back to being funny, has more energy and

> can think

> better, so apparently something has improved.

>

> I am glad we are en route to trying Byron White. We were doing IV

> silver for a

> while and it made a huge difference, but we had to stop due to quality

> control

> issues with the manufacturer. I like the idea of using something

> powerful other

> than antibiotics to pound these bugs.

>

> My doctor said that teas are a great way to get herbs, and that we really

> couldn't drink too much green, licorice and ginger tea. I find that those

> really detox me well --I'm the only one in my family who seems willing

> to drink

> them and I am pretty close to well now -- I'd say, most days, 95%.

> It's very

> exciting.

>

> Thanks for your reassuring words.

>

> Warmly,

>

> Natasha

>

> ________________________________

> From: Kaethe <batikquilt@...

> <mailto:batikquilt%40>>

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 7:26:55 AM

> Subject: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

>

> Natasha,

>

> I know how frightening it can be to see those bartonella streaks. My

> daughter

> had gone on an antibiotic holiday in the fall. She needed to do it to

> give her

> body a break to rid itself of built-up toxins. The doctor also wanted

> to see

> which symptoms would re-emerge so he could mount a new attack.

>

> Within a few weeks, the streaks that had faded over the summer

> reappeared in a

> huge way. They were on the sides of her abdomen. They were

> angry-looking, dark

>

> reddish-purple, about six inches long. As if that weren't scary

> enough, three

> days later they had spread completely around her abdomen, front, back and

> sides. A call to the LLMD put my mind at ease when he said it does not

> necessarily mean that the bartonella is rapidly multiplying. I kept

> that in

> mind over the next few days while she finished up her Coartem for

> babesia. When

>

> she started back on the bartonella meds, the streaks began to fade

> once again.

>

> Scary as that was, I am grateful for her wise LLMD and his

> reassurance. It also

>

> proves to me that those streaks are not " merely " stretch marks and she

> is on the

>

> correct treatment!

>

> Are you beginning to see an improvement? Do not hesitate to call the

> doctor

> whenever you have concerns. I hope your girls are healing and their

> streaks are

>

> fading.

>

> Kaethe

>

>

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,

Meg's only been on the BW about 3 weeks. She was on about 5 years of

aggressive antibiotic treatment for bart. She was on many combinations

for the bart at first, then took a 6-9 month break and then back on for

a few more years with other abx. I think the cipro and bactrim helped

the best. She did zithromax with cipro and a few years of IV doxy in

there too. The stripes finally disappeared last spring after years of

them fading and returning, and she was put on Factive for 4 monthes and

just stopped that. Dr. H has her on bart drops so I guess he is not

certain it is totally resolved. Her IgG levels and some IgMs wax and

wane over the last few years for bart. How can you be sure if it is

cleared or Not? I fear it is lyme, that you can never be certain,

because t here are no definitive tests to prove either way.

Hope that helps.

On 1/16/2011 6:38 PM, / wrote:

>

> hi, i was wondering if you could tell me if meg recovered from

> bartonella with

> the byron white protocol alone or in combination with antibiotics and

> if so,

> which antibiotics did you use?

> thanks,

> michelle

>

> ________________________________

> From: Faces <faces@... <mailto:faces%40rochester.rr.com>>

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 1:59:04 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

>

>

> Dear Natasha,

>

> Meg is doing well on the Byron White Bartonella and Lyme drops. She has

> managed a bit of a busier schedule without setbacks, and she has some

> life in her eyes that has been missing for a while. She had those

> horrible bart stripes for years before we learned what they were. She

> had them on her sides and her front, but the worst was the Christmas

> tree rash down her entire back. I found that they would fade to white,

> but not disappear and then would get angry purple in a flare. With alot

> of treatments they finally faded, and are now gone. Dr. H felt the drops

> were worth doing though given some of the symptoms that could be bart.

> Because Bart can be so difficult to totally clear out, he believes in

> treating it a bit longer I think.

>

> Some LLMDs told us the stripes lasted after the infection was cleared

> but others said if they were there it was sign the bart was still there.

> When she was being treated the stripes always got lighter or

> disappeared, so I really do think it is a sign infection is still

> present. Not growing or flaring bad, but there non the less.

>

> Good luck,

>

> Z

>

> On 1/16/2011 10:38 AM, Natasha Moiseyev wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Kaethe --

> >

> > My younger daughter had " stretch marks " all over her legs when she was

> > in fifth

> > grade and her pediatrician told me they were stretch marks. Idiot. I

> > took her

> > to the LLMD and by a year later they had faded. I don't think these

> > bigger

> > ones, which look like dragon claw parks, will ever disappear

> > completely. They

> > are fading in places now and showing up vividly in others.

> >

> > Did your LLMD tell you why they appear if the Bartonella is not flaring?

> >

> > We are waiting for the Bartonella stuff from our LLMD -- he said to

> > take it but

> > didn't have any so he had to order it (you can't order it directly). I

> > hope it

> > will help. My daughter is now back to having terrible pain in the

> > soles of her

> > feet. I am so tired of her being sick.

> >

> > On the bright side, she is back to being funny, has more energy and

> > can think

> > better, so apparently something has improved.

> >

> > I am glad we are en route to trying Byron White. We were doing IV

> > silver for a

> > while and it made a huge difference, but we had to stop due to quality

> > control

> > issues with the manufacturer. I like the idea of using something

> > powerful other

> > than antibiotics to pound these bugs.

> >

> > My doctor said that teas are a great way to get herbs, and that we

> really

> > couldn't drink too much green, licorice and ginger tea. I find that

> those

> > really detox me well --I'm the only one in my family who seems willing

> > to drink

> > them and I am pretty close to well now -- I'd say, most days, 95%.

> > It's very

> > exciting.

> >

> > Thanks for your reassuring words.

> >

> > Warmly,

> >

> > Natasha

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Kaethe <batikquilt@...

> <mailto:batikquilt%40>

> > <mailto:batikquilt%40>>

> >

> <mailto: %40>

> > <mailto: %40>

> > Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 7:26:55 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

> >

> > Natasha,

> >

> > I know how frightening it can be to see those bartonella streaks. My

> > daughter

> > had gone on an antibiotic holiday in the fall. She needed to do it to

> > give her

> > body a break to rid itself of built-up toxins. The doctor also wanted

> > to see

> > which symptoms would re-emerge so he could mount a new attack.

> >

> > Within a few weeks, the streaks that had faded over the summer

> > reappeared in a

> > huge way. They were on the sides of her abdomen. They were

> > angry-looking, dark

> >

> > reddish-purple, about six inches long. As if that weren't scary

> > enough, three

> > days later they had spread completely around her abdomen, front,

> back and

> > sides. A call to the LLMD put my mind at ease when he said it does not

> > necessarily mean that the bartonella is rapidly multiplying. I kept

> > that in

> > mind over the next few days while she finished up her Coartem for

> > babesia. When

> >

> > she started back on the bartonella meds, the streaks began to fade

> > once again.

> >

> > Scary as that was, I am grateful for her wise LLMD and his

> > reassurance. It also

> >

> > proves to me that those streaks are not " merely " stretch marks and she

> > is on the

> >

> > correct treatment!

> >

> > Are you beginning to see an improvement? Do not hesitate to call the

> > doctor

> > whenever you have concerns. I hope your girls are healing and their

> > streaks are

> >

> > fading.

> >

> > Kaethe

> >

> >

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Hi mary,

yes, that is helpful, I don't know how old Meg is, but were you ever considered

about the side effects of cipro?  How long did you take the cipro for?  My

daughter has also only had bart. igg/iga levels slightly positive once (after

many tests) and sometimes has some stripes, but the stripes are red, as if

someone had scratched her, never purple or looking like stretch marks, so I

wonder about whether bart. is the culprit, Some of the rashes were biopsied and

actually came out as being hives!  Anyway, yeah, my main question is about the

cipro and its side effects. thanks!

michelle

________________________________

From: Faces <faces@...>

Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 5:06:52 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

 

,

Meg's only been on the BW about 3 weeks. She was on about 5 years of

aggressive antibiotic treatment for bart. She was on many combinations

for the bart at first, then took a 6-9 month break and then back on for

a few more years with other abx. I think the cipro and bactrim helped

the best. She did zithromax with cipro and a few years of IV doxy in

there too. The stripes finally disappeared last spring after years of

them fading and returning, and she was put on Factive for 4 monthes and

just stopped that. Dr. H has her on bart drops so I guess he is not

certain it is totally resolved. Her IgG levels and some IgMs wax and

wane over the last few years for bart. How can you be sure if it is

cleared or Not? I fear it is lyme, that you can never be certain,

because t here are no definitive tests to prove either way.

Hope that helps.

On 1/16/2011 6:38 PM, / wrote:

>

> hi, i was wondering if you could tell me if meg recovered from

> bartonella with

> the byron white protocol alone or in combination with antibiotics and

> if so,

> which antibiotics did you use?

> thanks,

> michelle

>

> ________________________________

> From: Faces <faces@... <mailto:faces%40rochester.rr.com>>

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 1:59:04 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

>

>

> Dear Natasha,

>

> Meg is doing well on the Byron White Bartonella and Lyme drops. She has

> managed a bit of a busier schedule without setbacks, and she has some

> life in her eyes that has been missing for a while. She had those

> horrible bart stripes for years before we learned what they were. She

> had them on her sides and her front, but the worst was the Christmas

> tree rash down her entire back. I found that they would fade to white,

> but not disappear and then would get angry purple in a flare. With alot

> of treatments they finally faded, and are now gone. Dr. H felt the drops

> were worth doing though given some of the symptoms that could be bart.

> Because Bart can be so difficult to totally clear out, he believes in

> treating it a bit longer I think.

>

> Some LLMDs told us the stripes lasted after the infection was cleared

> but others said if they were there it was sign the bart was still there.

> When she was being treated the stripes always got lighter or

> disappeared, so I really do think it is a sign infection is still

> present. Not growing or flaring bad, but there non the less.

>

> Good luck,

>

> Z

>

> On 1/16/2011 10:38 AM, Natasha Moiseyev wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Kaethe --

> >

> > My younger daughter had " stretch marks " all over her legs when she was

> > in fifth

> > grade and her pediatrician told me they were stretch marks. Idiot. I

> > took her

> > to the LLMD and by a year later they had faded. I don't think these

> > bigger

> > ones, which look like dragon claw parks, will ever disappear

> > completely. They

> > are fading in places now and showing up vividly in others.

> >

> > Did your LLMD tell you why they appear if the Bartonella is not flaring?

> >

> > We are waiting for the Bartonella stuff from our LLMD -- he said to

> > take it but

> > didn't have any so he had to order it (you can't order it directly). I

> > hope it

> > will help. My daughter is now back to having terrible pain in the

> > soles of her

> > feet. I am so tired of her being sick.

> >

> > On the bright side, she is back to being funny, has more energy and

> > can think

> > better, so apparently something has improved.

> >

> > I am glad we are en route to trying Byron White. We were doing IV

> > silver for a

> > while and it made a huge difference, but we had to stop due to quality

> > control

> > issues with the manufacturer. I like the idea of using something

> > powerful other

> > than antibiotics to pound these bugs.

> >

> > My doctor said that teas are a great way to get herbs, and that we

> really

> > couldn't drink too much green, licorice and ginger tea. I find that

> those

> > really detox me well --I'm the only one in my family who seems willing

> > to drink

> > them and I am pretty close to well now -- I'd say, most days, 95%.

> > It's very

> > exciting.

> >

> > Thanks for your reassuring words.

> >

> > Warmly,

> >

> > Natasha

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Kaethe <batikquilt@...

> <mailto:batikquilt%40>

> > <mailto:batikquilt%40>>

> >

> <mailto: %40>

> > <mailto: %40>

> > Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 7:26:55 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

> >

> > Natasha,

> >

> > I know how frightening it can be to see those bartonella streaks. My

> > daughter

> > had gone on an antibiotic holiday in the fall. She needed to do it to

> > give her

> > body a break to rid itself of built-up toxins. The doctor also wanted

> > to see

> > which symptoms would re-emerge so he could mount a new attack.

> >

> > Within a few weeks, the streaks that had faded over the summer

> > reappeared in a

> > huge way. They were on the sides of her abdomen. They were

> > angry-looking, dark

> >

> > reddish-purple, about six inches long. As if that weren't scary

> > enough, three

> > days later they had spread completely around her abdomen, front,

> back and

> > sides. A call to the LLMD put my mind at ease when he said it does not

> > necessarily mean that the bartonella is rapidly multiplying. I kept

> > that in

> > mind over the next few days while she finished up her Coartem for

> > babesia. When

> >

> > she started back on the bartonella meds, the streaks began to fade

> > once again.

> >

> > Scary as that was, I am grateful for her wise LLMD and his

> > reassurance. It also

> >

> > proves to me that those streaks are not " merely " stretch marks and she

> > is on the

> >

> > correct treatment!

> >

> > Are you beginning to see an improvement? Do not hesitate to call the

> > doctor

> > whenever you have concerns. I hope your girls are healing and their

> > streaks are

> >

> > fading.

> >

> > Kaethe

> >

> >

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Dear ,

Meg is now 20 and started treatment for lyme at age 14. She was on cipro

for about 2 years at first then a switch and back on it for 1-2 years

the second time. We talked to Dr. J about side effects esp. the ruptured

tendons and he said it was rare and he had never seen it. More common

with levoquin, which he did not use in kids. Meg never had a problem

with that or anything else. Only the zithromax really bothered her in

that her stomach couldn't take the higher doses, but did ok on the lower

ones. Meg has been ill since age 3 and was on various abx at earlier

ages, but they thought it was CFS then, not Lyme....Years wasted. :(

Meg's bart stripes started more like the scratch marks, then more like

light stretch marks, and after a few years turned to the angry reddish

purple ones. But even then, they would fade and come back all in one

day!! I took pictures when they were at their worst. I think the worst

rash, the Christmas tree one all down her back, came after she had begun

the treatment. Meg was lucky enough to get one positive PCR test very

early on that proved Bartonella henselae. She has never had another PCR

pos. for bart, but has many for IGG and IGM. And they go from negative

to borderline to high 1:256. She hasn't been tested in a while and it

will be interesting to see what it is like by summer maybe...

Glad the information was helpful. I wish there were better ways to know

when infections were really flaring and when they were clearing...

Hugs,

On 1/16/2011 10:34 PM, / wrote:

>

> Hi mary,

> yes, that is helpful, I don't know how old Meg is, but were you ever

> considered

> about the side effects of cipro? How long did you take the cipro

> for? My

> daughter has also only had bart. igg/iga levels slightly positive once

> (after

> many tests) and sometimes has some stripes, but the stripes are red,

> as if

> someone had scratched her, never purple or looking like stretch marks,

> so I

> wonder about whether bart. is the culprit, Some of the rashes were

> biopsied and

> actually came out as being hives! Anyway, yeah, my main question is

> about the

> cipro and its side effects. thanks!

> michelle

>

> ________________________________

> From: Faces <faces@... <mailto:faces%40rochester.rr.com>>

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 5:06:52 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

>

>

> ,

>

> Meg's only been on the BW about 3 weeks. She was on about 5 years of

> aggressive antibiotic treatment for bart. She was on many combinations

> for the bart at first, then took a 6-9 month break and then back on for

> a few more years with other abx. I think the cipro and bactrim helped

> the best. She did zithromax with cipro and a few years of IV doxy in

> there too. The stripes finally disappeared last spring after years of

> them fading and returning, and she was put on Factive for 4 monthes and

> just stopped that. Dr. H has her on bart drops so I guess he is not

> certain it is totally resolved. Her IgG levels and some IgMs wax and

> wane over the last few years for bart. How can you be sure if it is

> cleared or Not? I fear it is lyme, that you can never be certain,

> because t here are no definitive tests to prove either way.

>

> Hope that helps.

>

>

>

> On 1/16/2011 6:38 PM, / wrote:

> >

> > hi, i was wondering if you could tell me if meg recovered from

> > bartonella with

> > the byron white protocol alone or in combination with antibiotics and

> > if so,

> > which antibiotics did you use?

> > thanks,

> > michelle

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Faces <faces@...

> <mailto:faces%40rochester.rr.com> <mailto:faces%40rochester.rr.com>>

> >

> <mailto: %40>

> > <mailto: %40>

> > Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 1:59:04 PM

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

> >

> >

> > Dear Natasha,

> >

> > Meg is doing well on the Byron White Bartonella and Lyme drops. She has

> > managed a bit of a busier schedule without setbacks, and she has some

> > life in her eyes that has been missing for a while. She had those

> > horrible bart stripes for years before we learned what they were. She

> > had them on her sides and her front, but the worst was the Christmas

> > tree rash down her entire back. I found that they would fade to white,

> > but not disappear and then would get angry purple in a flare. With alot

> > of treatments they finally faded, and are now gone. Dr. H felt the drops

> > were worth doing though given some of the symptoms that could be bart.

> > Because Bart can be so difficult to totally clear out, he believes in

> > treating it a bit longer I think.

> >

> > Some LLMDs told us the stripes lasted after the infection was cleared

> > but others said if they were there it was sign the bart was still there.

> > When she was being treated the stripes always got lighter or

> > disappeared, so I really do think it is a sign infection is still

> > present. Not growing or flaring bad, but there non the less.

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> > Z

> >

> > On 1/16/2011 10:38 AM, Natasha Moiseyev wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Kaethe --

> > >

> > > My younger daughter had " stretch marks " all over her legs when she was

> > > in fifth

> > > grade and her pediatrician told me they were stretch marks. Idiot. I

> > > took her

> > > to the LLMD and by a year later they had faded. I don't think these

> > > bigger

> > > ones, which look like dragon claw parks, will ever disappear

> > > completely. They

> > > are fading in places now and showing up vividly in others.

> > >

> > > Did your LLMD tell you why they appear if the Bartonella is not

> flaring?

> > >

> > > We are waiting for the Bartonella stuff from our LLMD -- he said to

> > > take it but

> > > didn't have any so he had to order it (you can't order it directly). I

> > > hope it

> > > will help. My daughter is now back to having terrible pain in the

> > > soles of her

> > > feet. I am so tired of her being sick.

> > >

> > > On the bright side, she is back to being funny, has more energy and

> > > can think

> > > better, so apparently something has improved.

> > >

> > > I am glad we are en route to trying Byron White. We were doing IV

> > > silver for a

> > > while and it made a huge difference, but we had to stop due to quality

> > > control

> > > issues with the manufacturer. I like the idea of using something

> > > powerful other

> > > than antibiotics to pound these bugs.

> > >

> > > My doctor said that teas are a great way to get herbs, and that we

> > really

> > > couldn't drink too much green, licorice and ginger tea. I find that

> > those

> > > really detox me well --I'm the only one in my family who seems willing

> > > to drink

> > > them and I am pretty close to well now -- I'd say, most days, 95%.

> > > It's very

> > > exciting.

> > >

> > > Thanks for your reassuring words.

> > >

> > > Warmly,

> > >

> > > Natasha

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: Kaethe <batikquilt@...

> <mailto:batikquilt%40>

> > <mailto:batikquilt%40>

> > > <mailto:batikquilt%40>>

> > >

> <mailto: %40>

> > <mailto: %40>

> > > <mailto: %40>

> > > Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 7:26:55 AM

> > > Subject: [ ] Re:Byron White Bartonella protocol

> > >

> > > Natasha,

> > >

> > > I know how frightening it can be to see those bartonella streaks. My

> > > daughter

> > > had gone on an antibiotic holiday in the fall. She needed to do it to

> > > give her

> > > body a break to rid itself of built-up toxins. The doctor also wanted

> > > to see

> > > which symptoms would re-emerge so he could mount a new attack.

> > >

> > > Within a few weeks, the streaks that had faded over the summer

> > > reappeared in a

> > > huge way. They were on the sides of her abdomen. They were

> > > angry-looking, dark

> > >

> > > reddish-purple, about six inches long. As if that weren't scary

> > > enough, three

> > > days later they had spread completely around her abdomen, front,

> > back and

> > > sides. A call to the LLMD put my mind at ease when he said it does not

> > > necessarily mean that the bartonella is rapidly multiplying. I kept

> > > that in

> > > mind over the next few days while she finished up her Coartem for

> > > babesia. When

> > >

> > > she started back on the bartonella meds, the streaks began to fade

> > > once again.

> > >

> > > Scary as that was, I am grateful for her wise LLMD and his

> > > reassurance. It also

> > >

> > > proves to me that those streaks are not " merely " stretch marks and she

> > > is on the

> > >

> > > correct treatment!

> > >

> > > Are you beginning to see an improvement? Do not hesitate to call the

> > > doctor

> > > whenever you have concerns. I hope your girls are healing and their

> > > streaks are

> > >

> > > fading.

> > >

> > > Kaethe

> > >

> > >

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