RE: Flu Shot / MTHFR gene mutation

[Guest guest]

You might want to consider checking for MTHFR gene mutation via blood test

and/or urine test. The way my doctor explains it, generally people who test

positive have a harder time flushing toxins (getting rid of heavy metals) from

their body and therefore are more susceptible to experiencing negative responses

to vaccines and are usually more sensitive to environmental toxins. Someone

with this gene mutation may be fine for several years, and eventually over time,

due to this methylation problem start to build up heavy metals/toxins in their

body and reach overload more easily. Get a vaccine at that point in your life,

and bam, it's a huge hit to your immune system and likely will negatively impact

all other systems in your body as well.

I think it is important to know whether or not we and/or our children have this

gene mutation, and if so, learn as much as we can about it and how it impacts

us.

I am only recently finding out about this and I have had several miscarriages

that may have been attributed to it (among other things). Knowing this, I know

that I have to work harder at detoxing my body than others may, and this is

especially significant to know for someone with Lyme Disease. I also have to

supplement with Methyl Folate and Methylcobalamin B12 (5,000 mcg) (sometimes

10,000 daily to keep levels up and prevent deficiency). These supplements have

been life changing for me. Prior, I was experiencing severe vertigo that had me

bed ridden for weeks, and poor brain function (beyond brain fog). Obviously, I

still have Lyme, but at least I don't have problems with vertigo any more and am

not putting the milk and cheese in the pantry with the cereal! For now at least

(knock on wood)!

I suspect not too many doctors know about this, over the years I have seen many,

including a fertility specialist and it has never been addressed until my

current doctors who diagnosed the Lyme. We just had my daughter tested (waiting

for the results) as it is considered genetic and it was just a simple urine test

for her.

I have 2 daughters, 6 and 3 years old. I selectively/partially (and very

slowly) vaccinated my 6 year old and she was recently diagnosed with Aspergers

and has sensory processing disorder (currently testing for Lyme but started

antibiotics because she has many symptoms), I saw direct correlations with her

behavior and she was ill for weeks after each vaccine, so I finally decided to

stop altogether (thankfully before her Kindergarten shots) she also had a

negative reaction to the TB skin test. I too had always had negative reactions

to vaccines, and now I know why.

After seeing my 6 year old respond negatively, I decided not to vaccinate my 3

year old at all, didn't want to take any chances.

If we are to make informed decisions, it is imperative that we have as much

information as possible. Food for thought...

.

From: jenuhferr@...

Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:32:14 -0500

Subject: Re: [ ] Flu Shot

There are a FEW versions of the flu vaccine that are thimerosal free

supposedly but do you know which one you'd be getting? Probably not.

Also, there is so much more toxic stuff in there, it's the last thing we

need to put into our sick kids' bodies. I had a vaccine about 10 years

ago when the Lyme was just starting to get me sick but I didn't know

what it really was yet. I went from working to bedridden after the hep B

within one month. Evil!!! This is the ingredient list of vaccines from

the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table\

-2.pdf

Did you know that the flu shot is only 20% effective admitted by the

manufacturer? 80% of the flu viruses in circulation are NOT represented

in the shot. Crappy odds for all those toxins IMO.

I've never had a flu shot and I think I had a mild flu last year and

that was the first time in so many years I couldn't remember. And my

daughter was in preschool around all her sickly runny nosed classmates.

Virus warnings would come home all the time.

I also have done the same as Christa... We have not vaccinated my

daughter since birth. Even with the Lyme she is actually sooo much

healthier than her peers it's ridiculous but that is a common report

among parents like us. Of course she is on antibiotics so in MY case I

can't say anything about bacterial stuff but she never even catches

viruses. She never misses school. She's never puked on me or had

diarrhea or a high fever except during the onset of the Lyme at 2 years

old (she's 5 now).

Christa gave you some great links and yes, it is controversial which is

so sad. Once a person gets really educated about what is going on (lying

lying and more lies), there is no way they can vaccinate. Don't work and

they're toxic. :/

Jen

Lymie parents, 5yo Lymie/Aspie

On 11/9/2010 10:14 AM, Christa Sherrod wrote:

>

> I have done a lot of vaccine research/earning over the past few years.

> As far as I know, there are NO thimerosal free FLU vaccines in the

> USA! Unless something has changed quite recently, anyone who tells you

> anything different is either uneducated about it, or lying to you. Flu

> vaccines are the one vaccine that no manufacturer can/will make

> thimerosal free for some reason. A little internet research should

> reveal this. Although thimerosal is horrible to put into anybody's

> body, especially that of a very young child - there are so many other

> substances, fillers, and preservatives in vaccines that are just as

> bad in different ways.

>

> My daughter has congenital Lyme. Knowing it was a possibility when she

> was born, I chose NOT to vaccinate her for anything, not even the Hep

> B in the hospital that they give them when 12 hours old. She's now 3

> 1/2. She has been sick with Lyme and multiple co-infections since

> born. However, her Lyme doc and integrative med doc and I shutter to

> think at where she'd be had we given her any vaccinations...

>

> In the end though, it is always a personal decision. Vaccinations are

> a controversial hot topic, even amongst the healthy, non-Lyme people.

> You are doing the right thing by looking into this matter and

> educating yourself on it. Then, all you can do is make the best

> decision for you and your family based on the information you know at

> the time.

>

> If you are interested, here are a few links that I believe to contain

> reliable information.

>

> http://www.nvic.org/

> http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx

> http://www.vaclib.org/

> http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/

>

> Best wishes.

>

> [ ] Flu Shot

>

> Yes I got my flu shot last year and was filled with a weird sensation

> of dread---weird because I've gotten it every year with out any

> problems or concerns---and just after that my symptoms went nuts and I

> got the bulls eye rash then even though I had been bit 2 years prior

> to that and had been sick for two years. If you go on the Lyme Group

> at MD Junction and search under vaccines you'll see tons of similar

> stories.

> My big concern is my daughter who has respiratory issues and is tiny,

> each cold is a serious concern for her. We've given her the flu shot

> every year but this year (I suspect she has congenital Lyme)I'm scared

> the shot might unhinge her as I see a lot of her issues acting up. She

> has no flu titers/protection despite the yearly shots. My LLMD

> suggested I get her a 1/2 dose of the thimerisol free version if I can

> get it--that sounds like a good compromise but still such a tough

> decision.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone for your comments. that is fascinating because I do in

fact have both MTHFR mutations, Lyme, metal toxicity, etc. And it went pretty

much exactly as you said--years of flu shots go just fine and then bam! I'll

never get one again. I found out I had MTHFR after I developed pre-eclampsia and

delivered a 1 lb 6 ounce baby at 27 weeks. I was told not to have her tested

because it could jeopardize her future ability to get insurance etc. but she has

so many other things on her record I can't imagine this would make a big

difference. I had no idea there was a urine test for it--is it as reliable as

the blood test? Thanks so much!!!

>

> >

>

> > I have done a lot of vaccine research/earning over the past few years.

>

> > As far as I know, there are NO thimerosal free FLU vaccines in the

>

> > USA! Unless something has changed quite recently, anyone who tells you

>

> > anything different is either uneducated about it, or lying to you. Flu

>

> > vaccines are the one vaccine that no manufacturer can/will make

>

> > thimerosal free for some reason. A little internet research should

>

> > reveal this. Although thimerosal is horrible to put into anybody's

>

> > body, especially that of a very young child - there are so many other

>

> > substances, fillers, and preservatives in vaccines that are just as

>

> > bad in different ways.

>

> >

>

> > My daughter has congenital Lyme. Knowing it was a possibility when she

>

> > was born, I chose NOT to vaccinate her for anything, not even the Hep

>

> > B in the hospital that they give them when 12 hours old. She's now 3

>

> > 1/2. She has been sick with Lyme and multiple co-infections since

>

> > born. However, her Lyme doc and integrative med doc and I shutter to

>

> > think at where she'd be had we given her any vaccinations...

>

> >

>

> > In the end though, it is always a personal decision. Vaccinations are

>

> > a controversial hot topic, even amongst the healthy, non-Lyme people.

>

> > You are doing the right thing by looking into this matter and

>

> > educating yourself on it. Then, all you can do is make the best

>

> > decision for you and your family based on the information you know at

>

> > the time.

>

> >

>

> > If you are interested, here are a few links that I believe to contain

>

> > reliable information.

>

> >

>

> > http://www.nvic.org/

>

> > http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx

>

> > http://www.vaclib.org/

>

> > http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/

>

> >

>

> > Best wishes.

>

> >

>

> > [ ] Flu Shot

>

> >

>

> > Yes I got my flu shot last year and was filled with a weird sensation

>

> > of dread---weird because I've gotten it every year with out any

>

> > problems or concerns---and just after that my symptoms went nuts and I

>

> > got the bulls eye rash then even though I had been bit 2 years prior

>

> > to that and had been sick for two years. If you go on the Lyme Group

>

> > at MD Junction and search under vaccines you'll see tons of similar

>

> > stories.

>

> > My big concern is my daughter who has respiratory issues and is tiny,

>

> > each cold is a serious concern for her. We've given her the flu shot

>

> > every year but this year (I suspect she has congenital Lyme)I'm scared

>

> > the shot might unhinge her as I see a lot of her issues acting up. She

>

> > has no flu titers/protection despite the yearly shots. My LLMD

>

> > suggested I get her a 1/2 dose of the thimerisol free version if I can

>

> > get it--that sounds like a good compromise but still such a tough

>

> > decision.

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

My doctor seems to be pretty informed and knowledgable about labs and their

differences, we recently were at the lab and the tech asked if we wanted a urine

test instead of blood to try and minimize the draw (we are going back for our

third blood draw this coming monday because we couldn't do everything on the

same 1 requisite all at once) so I called my doctor about it and she said no -

stating is was not as accurate as blood (I can't remember what it was for, but

maybe zinc magnesium or manganese all of which I was also deficient in).

We are also testing for food allergies and she gave me the option of two labs

(Meridian Valley and Great Plains) and informed me that Great Plains accepts my

insurance however their tests may not be as accurate as Meridian Valley. She

explained why, though I can't remember exactly and only remember she mentioned

something about Meridian Valley accounting for environmental factors that Great

Plains wasn't as successful in doing. I still opted for Great Plains since we

are on a budget and she thought it would be a good starting point especially

since my ins. will cover it.

I also asked her about using LabCorp vs. Quest (both covered by my insurance,

but Quest is a very short drive from my home and also usually less crowded and

thus quicker), and she explained that she preferred LabCorp for certain things

and why (of course that information too I can't remember - I am often on

information overload during our appts.) and she also likes to use the lab at

Marin General for certain things.

Anyway, I trust that she has a great deal of experience (whether personal or

passed down) with various labs and a variety of methods, (swabs, hair, urine,

serum), she is also colleagues with many of the well known LLMD's in the bay

area.

.

From: spamneggs@...

Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:16:51 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Flu Shot / MTHFR gene mutation

Thank you everyone for your comments. that is fascinating because I

do in fact have both MTHFR mutations, Lyme, metal toxicity, etc. And it went

pretty much exactly as you said--years of flu shots go just fine and then bam!

I'll never get one again. I found out I had MTHFR after I developed

pre-eclampsia and delivered a 1 lb 6 ounce baby at 27 weeks. I was told not to

have her tested because it could jeopardize her future ability to get insurance

etc. but she has so many other things on her record I can't imagine this would

make a big difference. I had no idea there was a urine test for it--is it as

reliable as the blood test? Thanks so much!!!

>

> >

>

> > I have done a lot of vaccine research/earning over the past few years.

>

> > As far as I know, there are NO thimerosal free FLU vaccines in the

>

> > USA! Unless something has changed quite recently, anyone who tells you

>

> > anything different is either uneducated about it, or lying to you. Flu

>

> > vaccines are the one vaccine that no manufacturer can/will make

>

> > thimerosal free for some reason. A little internet research should

>

> > reveal this. Although thimerosal is horrible to put into anybody's

>

> > body, especially that of a very young child - there are so many other

>

> > substances, fillers, and preservatives in vaccines that are just as

>

> > bad in different ways.

>

> >

>

> > My daughter has congenital Lyme. Knowing it was a possibility when she

>

> > was born, I chose NOT to vaccinate her for anything, not even the Hep

>

> > B in the hospital that they give them when 12 hours old. She's now 3

>

> > 1/2. She has been sick with Lyme and multiple co-infections since

>

> > born. However, her Lyme doc and integrative med doc and I shutter to

>

> > think at where she'd be had we given her any vaccinations...

>

> >

>

> > In the end though, it is always a personal decision. Vaccinations are

>

> > a controversial hot topic, even amongst the healthy, non-Lyme people.

>

> > You are doing the right thing by looking into this matter and

>

> > educating yourself on it. Then, all you can do is make the best

>

> > decision for you and your family based on the information you know at

>

> > the time.

>

> >

>

> > If you are interested, here are a few links that I believe to contain

>

> > reliable information.

>

> >

>

> > http://www.nvic.org/

>

> > http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx

>

> > http://www.vaclib.org/

>

> > http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/

>

> >

>

> > Best wishes.

>

> >

>

> > [ ] Flu Shot

>

> >

>

> > Yes I got my flu shot last year and was filled with a weird sensation

>

> > of dread---weird because I've gotten it every year with out any

>

> > problems or concerns---and just after that my symptoms went nuts and I

>

> > got the bulls eye rash then even though I had been bit 2 years prior

>

> > to that and had been sick for two years. If you go on the Lyme Group

>

> > at MD Junction and search under vaccines you'll see tons of similar

>

> > stories.

>

> > My big concern is my daughter who has respiratory issues and is tiny,

>

> > each cold is a serious concern for her. We've given her the flu shot

>

> > every year but this year (I suspect she has congenital Lyme)I'm scared

>

> > the shot might unhinge her as I see a lot of her issues acting up. She

>

> > has no flu titers/protection despite the yearly shots. My LLMD

>

> > suggested I get her a 1/2 dose of the thimerisol free version if I can

>

> > get it--that sounds like a good compromise but still such a tough

>

> > decision.

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

My daughter was just tested for this mutation (and a zillion other

things) by her DAN LLMD doctor (she has lyme induced autism) and she was

negative. But, the doc already knew Lyme was the cause because she is

completely unvaccinated. My question is.. is this gene dominant or

recessive? If she is negative, does that mean BOTH my husband and I are

negative by default? I got very ill after a hep B vaccine but I also had

undiagnosed Lyme which became severe as a result...

Thanks,

Jen

Lymie parents, 5yo Lymie/Aspie