Knees

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I have had knee problems since I was in high school but it has gotten so much

worse since I got Lyme nine years ago. It started in the middle finger of my

left hand ... my doc called it my Lyme finger ... but it has progressed to my

left knee. (All my Lyme problems seem to be on the left side and I was bitten

on the back of my left thigh.) But anyway, YES, yes, yes. Extremely bad

knee(s) with Lyme.

Like right now, for instance ... we went out for dinner and my husband had to

put his hand out to me so I could get up from the table. My knees just would

not work. I haven't been able to squat since I got Lyme. Just can't do it! If

I sit with my knees bent for more than 10 mins., I'm done for ... forget about

getting up. And as I said, it's mostly in the left knee.

Ann (TX)

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Hi Sharon,

The knee is almost the very first place and most common complaint when a

person has lyme disease. See if his doctor will give him at least 6 weeks of

abx, to see if the knees clear up and /or he gets herx. Both of mine are

shot, but I am a bit older.

Hugs,

connie

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Regarding knees, I wonder if others people with Lyme

have the off the wall reaction to the little tool they check

your knee reflexes with too? My hubby's knees take on

a life of their own, it's kind of like watching a tuning fork

used in tuning a piano. Strange indeed. All the years

we've been married and before he's told doctors about

his knees and been ignored, like when he was so young

in early 20's they didn't believe he had pain, but then

that was in the 60's and 70's and they wanted to

believe you wanted drugs not problems fixed. Duh!

Wishing us all health and freedom from pain,

both physical and emotional -

Cslyme@... wrote:

> From: Cslyme@...

>

> Hi Sharon,

> The knee is almost the very first place and most common complaint when a

> person has lyme disease. See if his doctor will give him at least 6 weeks of

> abx, to see if the knees clear up and /or he gets herx. Both of mine are

> shot, but I am a bit older.

>

> Hugs,

> connie

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Hi ,

My knees have hyper-reflexes when the doc hits them with the little

hammer. It is supposedly neurological damage... Regards, Joan LI NY

From: <swsftwtx@...>

Regarding knees, I wonder if others people with Lyme

have the off the wall reaction to the little tool they check

your knee reflexes with too? My hubby's knees take on

a life of their own, it's kind of like watching a tuning fork

used in tuning a piano. Strange indeed. All the years

we've been married and before he's told doctors about

his knees and been ignored, like when he was so young

in early 20's they didn't believe he had pain, but then

that was in the 60's and 70's and they wanted to

believe you wanted drugs not problems fixed. Duh!

Wishing us all health and freedom from pain,

both physical and emotional -

Cslyme@... wrote:

> From: Cslyme@...

>

> Hi Sharon,

> The knee is almost the very first place and most common complaint when a

> person has lyme disease. See if his doctor will give him at least 6 weeks of

> abx, to see if the knees clear up and /or he gets herx. Both of mine are

> shot, but I am a bit older.

>

> Hugs,

> connie

>

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No tears, but if I go hiking for a day and climb around a lot,

my knees hurt. I now carry one of those stretchy knee things

you can buy at the drugstores, and I put it one near the end

of the hike. It helps. I also try to bend my knees a lot.

NB

Scoliosis Treatmentegroups wrote:

> Does anyone with flatback have trouble with their knees? I have a torn ACL

and meniscus and am supposed to have arthroscopy done in a couple weeks. I

know my knees get a lot of extra pressure on them because of my posture and

so I wondered if anyone else has had tears like these. (Of course I also

fall forward every so often so it could have come from that) Thanks!

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Hi,

I never used to think about my knees much, but 3 years ago my left knee

started giving me problems. It would sort of dislocate but I could get

it " back in " . About 9 months later, it totally went out and i tore all

the ligaments as well. It was really bad and took almost 2 years to

build up again--the hamstrings were all shot, etc. I had one relatively

" okay " year but now BOTH my knees are bothering me. Aching, crunching,

etc. Since I had rods in 34 years ago and really can't do much physical

(for the last 13 years at least)--I know the knee problems MUST come

from my back problems--but the doctors don't seem to care very much or

try to make any connection.

That's all I can say about knees......

Diane Popiuk

MsCello@... wrote:

>

> Does anyone with flatback have trouble with their knees? I have a torn ACL

> and meniscus and am supposed to have arthroscopy done in a couple weeks. I

> know my knees get a lot of extra pressure on them because of my posture and

> so I wondered if anyone else has had tears like these. (Of course I also

> fall forward every so often so it could have come from that) Thanks!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the webpage for the glucosamine. I will definitely have to try

that!! Please keep me updated on how your husband does with it. Thanks,

Nikki

[Guest guest]

Okay, I was just talking to my friend about this yesterday who used

to be a personal trainer. My husband doesn't want to get a treadmill

because he has 'bad knees' syndrome, and I asked her about it. She

said to take 'glucosamine'. I got some at Target and read up on it.

Check it out.

http://www.glucosamine-arthritis.org/

Sidebar: A group of us get together for 'game night' and we have a

version of Pictionary we play. Instead of using the real game, we

make up our own categories, then make up words for the other team to

try and draw from those categories. One of the categories

was " Medical Conditions " and the men team wanted me to draw this

Osgood Schlatter. Yeah right. Needless to say I didn't get a point

for that one!! AHH!

Anyway hope that link helps you out. I will let you know the

progress of DH's knees in a few weeks.

> I am having a problem, I have bad knees, they don't bother me in

normal day

> to day life, but whenever I start working out, they just start

acheing. Do

> you think the workouts will strengthen them, or should I talk to

my doc? I have

> never had surgery, the only problem I had was, when I was a kid, I

grew

> really fast, so I got osgoodschlatters disease (sp?) anyway it is

just a fancy

> word for growing too fast. Any suggestions? Oh, and when I was

pregnant with my

> son, I gained a LOT of weight, and they used to hurt really bad

just walking,

> but once I had him and lost some of the weight, they were

fine.......so I don't

> know if, as I lose weight that it will lessen? Thanks for any

suggestions, I

> start tomorrow, and I would like to do some cardio today.

> Nikki

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would suggest talking to your doctor and trying to do non-impact

cardio if possible until you are stronger in that area like the

stationary bike and stairstepper. Or whatever exercises hurt your

knee the least. Anti-inflammatories and icing might help, but I'd ask

the doctor about that.

Colleen

> I am having a problem, I have bad knees, they don't bother me in

normal day

> to day life, but whenever I start working out, they just start

acheing. Do

> you think the workouts will strengthen them, or should I talk to my

doc? I have

> never had surgery, the only problem I had was, when I was a kid, I

grew

> really fast, so I got osgoodschlatters disease (sp?) anyway it is

just a fancy

> word for growing too fast. Any suggestions? Oh, and when I was

pregnant with my

> son, I gained a LOT of weight, and they used to hurt really bad

just walking,

> but once I had him and lost some of the weight, they were

fine.......so I don't

> know if, as I lose weight that it will lessen? Thanks for any

suggestions, I

> start tomorrow, and I would like to do some cardio today.

> Nikki

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried taking glucosamine sulfate? You can buy it over the

counter and it's located in the same vacinity as vitamins and

supplemnts. My knees are also bad, but this helps build up the

cartiledge. It takes a few months to notice the difference, but it

really does work.

>

>

> > I am having a problem, I have bad knees, they don't bother me in

> normal day

> > to day life, but whenever I start working out, they just start

> acheing. Do

> > you think the workouts will strengthen them, or should I talk to

my

> doc? I have

> > never had surgery, the only problem I had was, when I was a kid,

I

> grew

> > really fast, so I got osgoodschlatters disease (sp?) anyway it

is

> just a fancy

> > word for growing too fast. Any suggestions? Oh, and when I was

> pregnant with my

> > son, I gained a LOT of weight, and they used to hurt really bad

> just walking,

> > but once I had him and lost some of the weight, they were

> fine.......so I don't

> > know if, as I lose weight that it will lessen? Thanks for any

> suggestions, I

> > start tomorrow, and I would like to do some cardio today.

> > Nikki

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

OOPS! Guess somebody already said that .

> > > I am having a problem, I have bad knees, they don't bother me

in

> > normal day

> > > to day life, but whenever I start working out, they just start

> > acheing. Do

> > > you think the workouts will strengthen them, or should I talk

to

> my

> > doc? I have

> > > never had surgery, the only problem I had was, when I was a

kid,

> I

> > grew

> > > really fast, so I got osgoodschlatters disease (sp?) anyway

it

> is

> > just a fancy

> > > word for growing too fast. Any suggestions? Oh, and when I was

> > pregnant with my

> > > son, I gained a LOT of weight, and they used to hurt really

bad

> > just walking,

> > > but once I had him and lost some of the weight, they were

> > fine.......so I don't

> > > know if, as I lose weight that it will lessen? Thanks for any

> > suggestions, I

> > > start tomorrow, and I would like to do some cardio today.

> > > Nikki

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lexi

Joy

[Guest guest]

yup - the rain and dampness suck and the humidity in summer is just as bad ... i

find the grinding and cracking in knee get worse in cold winter weather though

and when that happens it is almost impossible to walk - i can walk when its

rainy etc but get bad aching pain ... my doctor has suggested the patch .. i

have heard it helps the pain a lot - my Dad and my Ex boyfriend were on it - it

can have an effect on how people are or act though - hard to explain as each

person is different and the amount of medicine in the patch too ... let me know

if yu try it how it was ok ....thx

KeL

lvbeeralot <lvbeeralot@...> wrote:

I feel the weather change in my knees. I always know when its going

to rain. I use to think that was stupid but not anymore. My BP

averages 140/88 and am taking Benicar. Going to Dr. tomorrow. I

bought what I feel like was an expensive BP machine ($70) so I guess?

I`m getting a good reading....who knows? BP could be elivated due to

switching from Mobic to Bextra. I want to know more about the Patch!

...BTW...I do lvbeeralot but I really don`t drink that

much...these days on weekends with meals...sometime not at all. Just

a nickname finally agreed with....

[Guest guest]

thanks for the tip robin i was going to ask about it. seems my knees are taking a big hit from any kind of impact from aerobics. i have a bad knee anyway so i really should get it checked out.

kassia

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I take a Glucosamine and Chondroitin supplement daily. But it doesn't

help for pulled muscles, which is what we think mine is. But it helps

with all the other aches and pains from years of abusing my body

through wrestling and high impact aerobics. Right now we have it half

price here at the gym, so I've just stocked up. LOL

Tonya

> Glucosamine has been widely studied and is excellent for keeping

> joints and cartilage healthy as well as lessening pain and

> inflammation in arthritic conditions. DH and I both take it on a

daily

> basis. It might prove helpful for those of you with knee issues as

> well. :-)

>

> Robin

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At 01:39 PM 5/12/2005, Tonya - wrote:

>I take a Glucosamine and Chondroitin supplement daily.

i give it to my white shepherd dog for his hips. he thinks that gluco

pills taste really good with peanut butter on them anyway, it seems

to help him too.

:*carolyn.

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Carolyn - we used to give our old white shepard/husky those pills too! Is your dog wild? We used to call the devil dog because she was born to run! She dug under traditional fences and ran right thru the invisible fence (screaming all the way I must add). I still miss her even though she was sooooo bad!

Kathy

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I have a supplement with both glucosamine and chrondroton (sorry can't spell it!) together.

Jen

rjroubik <rjroubik@...> wrote:

Glucosamine has been widely studied and is excellent for keeping joints and cartilage healthy as well as lessening pain and inflammation in arthritic conditions. DH and I both take it on a daily basis. It might prove helpful for those of you with knee issues as well. :-)Robin

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[Guest guest]

Yes, there is anectodal evidence supporting the use of chondroitin

as well as MSM for joint pain and arthritis. It is not as widely

supported or studied as glucosamine itself. You have to remember all

of these products are dietary supplements (not drugs) and not

necessarily right for everyone. If you are on blood thinners the

chondroitin is not recommended and if you are allergic to sulfur,

you may be allergic to the MSM. Some addition studies also suggest

glucosamine can affect blood sugar in diabetics. It's always best to

know ahead of time what you're taking. :-)

Dr. Robin

> Glucosamine has been widely studied and is excellent for keeping

> joints and cartilage healthy as well as lessening pain and

> inflammation in arthritic conditions. DH and I both take it on a

daily

> basis. It might prove helpful for those of you with knee issues as

> well. :-)

>

> Robin

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Marty, I have had knee problems for eons now, every so often the swell up

and give me grief. I just wrap them up and do light exercise like walking

and take Ibuprofen. I use a combination of cold and hot compresses which

also help.

I use a wheat bag for heat, similar to the rice bag. For cold I use a bag

of frozen peas and marked so I can use them several times then toss them

away. For direct cold I use a styrofoam cup of water, frozen and then just

massage the area with the exposed end of the cup. You have to be very

careful with ice though, it can give you a touch of frostbite if you do it

too long.

+Dave

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I agree with +Dave about knee flare-ups. If it goes on for weeks and weeks

without any let up and you tried all the things +Dave mentioned, have it

checked it out through MRI to rule out meniscus tear or Bakers cyst. Bakers cyst

can develop in a few of our knee problems and press on the nerve going to the

foot. I've had local steroids shots that can help tremendously with this

problem. When the nerve is involved, it will numb the outer three toes. This

same

problem can come from the SI area where the nerve can be involved, and I've

had steroid shots in that area, too. Don't get me wrong, as I've been talking

about local steroids shots lately. They have to be used very sparingly. I've

not had but one or two a year over many years of time. I believe the rule is

3 shots a year. I've never had that many in one given year. In fact, over a

life span, I've had maybe a dozen local shots in all at different locations.

Local steroid shots are not as systemic as oral or the long lasting steroid

shots in the butt.

Connie

[Guest guest]

What do the weight bearing xrays show ?

sharron fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dr. ph Medlin D.C.Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: Knees

Hi folks have a 58 yo male who complains of medial knee pain weight bearing only. He was kneeling and went to erect posture when pain occurred. Has had before and "popped back in place" with extension. Now it wouldn't do that. All ortho tests were unremarkable. Some minor instability in valgus stress, but nothing extreme. Patient tolerated exam well. He is only in pain when he tries to put weight on it. Putting weight on it is very difficult. He appears as if a cane/crutches would be in order. Passive movement no problemo. Incidentally, he's also had ankle fusion on that side.

I'm suspecting med meniscal sprain/tear, or medial collateral sprain.

What do some of you extremity aficionados surmise???

Dr. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St. #6Portland, OR 97211Ph: 503-788-6800c: 503-889-6204

[Guest guest]

Joe: It sounds like a meniscal tear to me. You might want to make an orthopedic referral. What does everyone else think? Ann Goldeen, Astoria

Knees

Hi folks have a 58 yo male who complains of medial knee pain weight bearing only. He was kneeling and went to erect posture when pain occurred. Has had before and "popped back in place" with extension. Now it wouldn't do that. All ortho tests were unremarkable. Some minor instability in valgus stress, but nothing extreme. Patient tolerated exam well. He is only in pain when he tries to put weight on it. Putting weight on it is very difficult. He appears as if a cane/crutches would be in order. Passive movement no problemo. Incidentally, he's also had ankle fusion on that side.

I'm suspecting med meniscal sprain/tear, or medial collateral sprain.

What do some of you extremity aficionados surmise???

Dr. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St. #6Portland, OR 97211Ph: 503-788-6800c: 503-889-6204

[Guest guest]

Joe,, He may have a fixation of the medial menicus. I put the leg in full

extension. contact the ant medial condyle about a quarter inche below the

menicus with your thenar and then with a slight flex and then extension of the

leg thrust thru the joint. Call me for more details. Cell 503-358-7953 Sorry

list for not being able to explain how to do this adjustment with the written

word. Dan Beeson

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> Hi folks have a 58 yo male who complains of medial knee pain weight bearing

only. He was kneeling and went to erect posture when pain occurred. Has had

before and " popped back in place " with extension. Now it wouldn't do that. All

ortho tests were unremarkable. Some minor instability in valgus stress, but

nothing extreme. Patient tolerated exam well. He is only in pain when he tries

to put weight on it. Putting weight on it is very difficult. He appears as if a

cane/crutches would be in order. Passive movement no problemo. Incidentally,

he's also had ankle fusion on that side.

>

> I'm suspecting med meniscal sprain/tear, or medial collateral sprain.

>

> What do some of you extremity aficionados surmise???

>

>

> Dr. ph Medlin D.C.

> Spine Tree Chiropractic

> 1627 NE Alberta St. #6

> Portland, OR 97211

> Ph: 503-788-6800

> c: 503-889-6204

>

>

>

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HA!! Did that one. Got a bit of a cavitation, but no relief. I think he

damaged the meniscus over time and it's just not laying down again.

Anyway, thanks for the help folks, I just referred him down to Dr. Brenneke

DO in NE PDX. We'll see what he says and i'll keep ya updated.

Thanks again.

Dr. ph Medlin D.C.

Spine Tree Chiropractic

1627 NE Alberta St. #6

Portland, OR 97211

Ph: 503-788-6800

c: 503-889-6204

Knees

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>> Hi folks have a 58 yo male who complains of medial knee pain weight

>> bearing only. He was kneeling and went to erect posture when pain

>> occurred. Has had before and " popped back in place " with extension. Now

>> it wouldn't do that. All ortho tests were unremarkable. Some minor

>> instability in valgus stress, but nothing extreme. Patient tolerated exam

>> well. He is only in pain when he tries to put weight on it. Putting

>> weight on it is very difficult. He appears as if a cane/crutches would be

>> in order. Passive movement no problemo. Incidentally, he's also had

>> ankle fusion on that side.

>>

>> I'm suspecting med meniscal sprain/tear, or medial collateral sprain.

>>

>> What do some of you extremity aficionados surmise???

>>

>>

>> Dr. ph Medlin D.C.

>> Spine Tree Chiropractic

>> 1627 NE Alberta St. #6

>> Portland, OR 97211

>> Ph: 503-788-6800

>> c: 503-889-6204

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