rashes

[Guest guest]

It sure sounds like an allergic reaction. Buhner, f I'm remembering

correctly, said that if you experience an allergic reaction,

andrographis is the most likely culprit. Perhaps you should back off

on it (if you're taking it) and see if the hives go away.

D.

Meg Chaney <i_am_not_crazy_08@...> wrote:

>

> Hi everybody,

>

> Yesterday I woke up with a welt-like rash on my face. It looked kind

of like bug bites and was really itchy and almost burned. After an

hour or so, it started spreading. I took some benadryl and it calmed

down for a little while. It came back some last night, and this

morning it's even worse (it's pretty much everywhere now except for my

calves and feet.) I can even feel a spot on the *inside* of my eyelid

(not a place you can easily soothe). I was just wondering if anybody

has had a similar experience and any suggestions besides typical

anti-itch creams. I thought I remembered reading something about

rashes and Lyme (aside from the EM rash, that is), but I can't seem to

find it now. My mom suggested bed bugs (gross!), but since I was

getting new spots hours after being in bed, I didn't figure that was

worth considering. I remember reading about one woman who had Lyme and

got itchy rashes during treatment, and asked her doctor about it and

he said it was toxins escaping

> through the skin? I thought about the possibility of it being

something I'm applying to my skin, eating, or touching, but I haven't

changed *anything* of that sort recently. No new detergent, lotion,

soap, *nothing*, which is why I was wondering if it might not be Lyme

related, or possibly an allergic reaction to one of the herbs I'm

taking (though I've been on most of these for almost a month now with

no ill effects)? Anyway, I just thought I'd pick your brains for ideas

(which sounds almost as gross as bed bugs), since many of you have

been dealing with all this stuff a lot longer than I have and thus

obviously have much more experience!

>

> Thanks!

>

> -Meg

>

[Guest guest]

Allergic reaction was my first thought too! But it just didn't make sense to me;

I hadn't been taking any of my pills the day prior to waking with the rash, and

was starting back at a low dose that day. In fact, until yesterday night, I

hadn't been taking any of my stuff for a couple of days (to see if it would do

anything for the insomnia I've been experiencing). The other thing is that it

comes and goes very regularly; I had a spot on my back several inches long and

about 1 1/2 wide earlier, then it disappeared, and I got another huge one

somewhere else. Most of the spots are small in appearance, but I usually have

one large one somewhere. It's just strange. And parts of me itch that have no

visible rash, too. Allergic reaction *sounds* right, but I just can't figure out

what it would be a reaction *to*.

Thanks for the suggestion though!

-Meg

DeMarco <@...> wrote: It

sure sounds like an allergic reaction. Buhner, f I'm remembering

correctly, said that if you experience an allergic reaction,

andrographis is the most likely culprit. Perhaps you should back off

on it (if you're taking it) and see if the hives go away.

D.

Meg Chaney <i_am_not_crazy_08@...> wrote:

>

> Hi everybody,

>

> Yesterday I woke up with a welt-like rash on my face. It looked kind

of like bug bites and was really itchy and almost burned. After an

hour or so, it started spreading. I took some benadryl and it calmed

down for a little while. It came back some last night, and this

morning it's even worse (it's pretty much everywhere now except for

[Guest guest]

Hi Meg,

Don't have anything that useful to add except that my husband had a

spreading, bumpy rash when he took Mepron for babesiosis. We never

knew if it was an allergic reaction or a herx, but he just took benadryl

to get through it (and went off the Mepron). Later he tried Mepron

again and didn't have the reaction. He was having night sweats too.

[Guest guest]

Meg,

My husband got that exact thing--covered in hives/rash all over his body--it

started on his hands and moved from there. I think it lasted about a week. We

think it might have been the andrographis, even though he had also been on it

for at least a month or so. He stopped it for about two weeks, and then started

back on it, and has since had no problems...right now he is even at the max

dosage, taking 4, 4x a day. Another thing we think it might have been was a

reaction between alcohol and the herbs, as he had had a beer earlier...but who

knows...could have also been a herx.

I know he was in a lot of distress at the time, here are some of the things he

tried: oatmeal baths, benadryl, cold showers, anti-itch cream, aloe, and also

some devil's claw and nettle.

Good luck, and I hope it doesn't last long.

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[Guest guest]

When this happens to me I know I'm herxing or something has caused some

bacteria to come to the surface. In the beginning of treating myself it would

happen when I used the sauna. When things were really bad (near death) it was

different but I believe along the same lines. If i experienced any stress, any

level of stress, I would swell somewhere. One morning I looked like someone

slugged me in the face. My lip was so big! Anyway, I use to take Benadryl for

it before I was diagnosed, but now I know what it is and I don't worry, it goes

away. I just itch sometimes like crazy and sometimes it's just one spot

somewhere. I think it's the critters coming out. I don't know, I don't think

anyone really does. I don't like taking any drugs, but benadryl does help if

you need relief. We also carry Epie Pens just in case cause we do have history

of asthma & severe reactions to some foods. Hope you find relief soon. I

believe the sauna has made a tramendous

difference.

Meg Chaney <i_am_not_crazy_08@...> wrote:

Allergic reaction was my first thought too! But it just didn't make sense to

me; I hadn't been taking any of my pills the day prior to waking with the

rash, and was starting back at a low dose that day. In fact, until yesterday

night, I hadn't been taking any of my stuff for a couple of days (to see if it

would do anything for the insomnia I've been experiencing). The other thing is

that it comes and goes very regularly; I had a spot on my back several inches

long and about 1 1/2 wide earlier, then it disappeared, and I got another huge

one somewhere else. Most of the spots are small in appearance, but I usually

have one large one somewhere. It's just strange. And parts of me itch that have

no visible rash, too. Allergic reaction *sounds* right, but I just can't figure

out what it would be a reaction *to*.

Thanks for the suggestion though!

-Meg

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Stephany!

Maybe I'll stay off the andro a little longer and see if this doesn't clear up.

So far today there's no difference, and I also noticed one spot that hasn't

changed at all that looks an awful lot like an EM rash to me. But I could just

be delusional. :-P (Does anybody know if it's possible to get a *second*

secondary EM rash? I never had one in the beginning as far as I know, but I did

get what I'm pretty sure was one this past November...and now this.)

Thanks again!

-Meg

Stephany <stedfast81@...> wrote:

Meg,

My husband got that exact thing--covered in hives/rash all over his body--it

started on his hands and moved from there. I think it lasted about a week. We

think it might have been the andrographis, even though he had also been on it

for at least a month or so. He stopped it for about two weeks, and then started

back on it, and has since had no problems...right now he is even at the max

dosage, taking 4, 4x a day. Another thing we think it might have been was a

reaction between alcohol and the herbs, as he had had a beer earlier...but who

knows...could have also been a herx.

I know he was in a lot of distress at the time, here are some of the things

he tried: oatmeal baths, benadryl, cold showers, anti-itch cream, aloe, and

also some devil's claw and nettle.

Good luck, and I hope it doesn't last long.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/27/07 2:32:52 AM, i_am_not_crazy_08@... writes:

> Does anybody know if it's possible to get a *second* secondary EM rash?

>

Meg,

I've read that EM rashes can come and go anytime (and can be differring

shapes and sizes).

Ann

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[Guest guest]

Yes, it's very possible to get multiple EM rashes. I had several of

them that only started manifesting towards the end of nearly two years

of treatment (years after initial infection), and they were all over

my body. They didn't itch, but they sometimes burned. They generally

took on the standard bulls-eye shape, but not always (they came and

went every single day for months).

It's hard to say what exactly would be causing this -- whether it's an

allergic reaction or something more along the lines of a herx.

Stephany mentioned in an earlier comment about suspecting a possible

reaction between alcohol and the herbs. Alcohol could certainly be a

culprit (at least if you're drinking it!). I don't know about any

specific alcohol/herb interactions off the top of my head that are

specific to your situation, but I do know that alcohol increases

spirochetal stress proteins (HSPs), and stimulates spirochete activity

(possibly enough in your case to cause the EM rash). Alcohol can wreak

absolute havoc during any form of Lyme treatment, and MUST be avoided.

Treatment + Alcohol = Failed Treatment.

Of course, maybe this isn't applicable to you, but if you're like me,

not much is better than an occasional glass of wine. Sometimes you

have to give up some things in the short term in order to ensure long

term success.

Anyway, that's something you can consider, among other things. Hope it

goes away soon. Oh, and take pictures of the " suspicious " looking rash

-- just in case some doctor of yours in the future would like to see

them.

Meg,

>

> My husband got that exact thing--covered in hives/rash all over

his body--it started on his hands and moved from there. I think it

lasted about a week. We think it might have been the andrographis,

even though he had also been on it for at least a month or so. He

stopped it for about two weeks, and then started back on it, and has

since had no problems...right now he is even at the max dosage, taking

4, 4x a day. Another thing we think it might have been was a reaction

between alcohol and the herbs, as he had had a beer earlier...but who

knows...could have also been a herx.

>

> I know he was in a lot of distress at the time, here are some of

the things he tried: oatmeal baths, benadryl, cold showers, anti-itch

cream, aloe, and also some devil's claw and nettle.

>

> Good luck, and I hope it doesn't last long.

>

[Guest guest]

It's good to know for sure that you *can* get multiple EM rashes. Now that you

say it, it seems like I already knew that, but had just completely forgotten. I

guess if I'd thought about it logically I might've come to that conclusion on my

own though, knowing what I know about the disease. But I really haven't been all

that logically lately!

This spot that I'm thinking may be an EM rash doesn't itch like the rest of my

rashes (and obviously looks different since I'm suspecting its an EM rash) --

it's more of a burning sensation, though most of the time it doesn't feel like

anything at all.

Okay now... I'm glad you said it, because I knew I needed to stop, but was

having trouble forcing myself. But glad or not I must rhetorically ask WHY did

you have to tell me that I should stop drinking? I hadn't been doing it at all

for a long time (*knowing* it was not a good idea when one has Lyme whether

you're being treated or not), and still try not to very often, but I have gotten

into the habit of having a glass of wine while I watch 24 every Monday night.

Now you're going to be like, Mr. Conscience, sitting on my shoulder scolding me

with every sip! So fine. I'll stop. :-P I suppose it couldn't have been put any

better when you said, " Sometimes you have to give up some things in the short

term in order to ensure long term success. " How true indeed.

*blushes* I knew somebody was going to suggest taking a picture of this

particular rash sooner or later. Heh. I had thought of that already (especially

since I didn't think to take a picture of the one on my collar bone last year

until it had almost completely faded), and it's not as if one wouldn't show

their *DR* such a rash just because it's in a " sensitive " place, but having a

picture of it on my computer is um... not something I'm entirely comfortable

with, shall we say? Especially since certain of my family members (who

thankfully do not live here anymore, but visit from time to time) have trouble

with the concept of personal privacy. Ah-heh. Yeah.

Anyway, thanks for the information, and the reminder *not* to be drinking at all

(I had taken up the drinking of Pinot Noir, for " medicinal " purposes, on the

grounds that Pinot Noir is supposed to have the highest level of resveratrol in

it. Haha. Yes, I'm very bad). Excuse me now, while I go cry in my... water, over

the loss. :-P

-Meg

drostollan <drostollan@...> wrote: Yes,

it's very possible to get multiple EM rashes. I had several of

them that only started manifesting towards the end of nearly two years

of treatment (years after initial infection), and they were all over

my body. They didn't itch, but they sometimes burned. They generally

took on the standard bulls-eye shape, but not always (they came and

went every single day for months).

It's hard to say what exactly would be causing this -- whether it's an

allergic reaction or something more along the lines of a herx.

Stephany mentioned in an earlier comment about suspecting a possible

reaction between alcohol and the herbs. Alcohol could certainly be a

culprit (at least if you're drinking it!). I don't know about any

specific alcohol/herb interactions off the top of my head that are

specific to your situation, but I do know that alcohol increases

spirochetal stress proteins (HSPs), and stimulates spirochete activity

(possibly enough in your case to cause the EM rash). Alcohol can wreak

absolute havoc during any form of Lyme treatment, and MUST be avoided.

Treatment + Alcohol = Failed Treatment.

Of course, maybe this isn't applicable to you, but if you're like me,

not much is better than an occasional glass of wine. Sometimes you

have to give up some things in the short term in order to ensure long

term success.

Anyway, that's something you can consider, among other things. Hope it

goes away soon. Oh, and take pictures of the " suspicious " looking rash

-- just in case some doctor of yours in the future would like to see

them.

[Guest guest]

Two days ago I woke up feeling worse than I have in a long time, and I

too was covered in rashes. They were round-ish to oval, with central

clearing, but only one ring. They faded by nightfall and haven't come

back.

But I am aching and feeling a little like I have the flu - just sore

all over, slight scratchy throat, tired. Otherwise, doing well.

I had been on doxy for a very long time, then stopped for a week

because I wanted to see if any of my symptoms were caused by the doxy.

The rashes appeared about a week after I went back on the doxy. I

think it's a herx.

So, now I'm not sure what to do. I was about to quit the abx and go

over to just herbs. But it looks like the doxy is killing stuff right

now. So I kinda hate to stop just yet.

I guess I'll ride it out a while longer.

D.

[Guest guest]

Meg:

I get a rash that resembles the first onset of my Lyme after a Rife session

that is effective and causes die-off. It does not itch and only is a cosmetic

problem, most people report no itching with this type of lyme rash. It also

subsides after a few days and gone in a few weeks. Likewise it doesn't travel

down to other body parts during the flairup, it appears isolated, but may appear

next time in another location after another treatment.

Yours sounds like a different rash...........I'd see a doc

Meg Chaney <i_am_not_crazy_08@...> wrote:

Hi everybody,

Yesterday I woke up with a welt-like rash on my face. It looked kind of like bug

bites and was really itchy and almost burned. After an hour or so, it started

spreading. I took some benadryl and it calmed down for a little while. It came

back some last night, and this morning it's even worse (it's pretty much

everywhere now except for my calves and feet.) I can even feel a spot on the

*inside* of my eyelid (not a place you can easily soothe). I was just wondering

if anybody has had a similar experience and any suggestions besides typical

anti-itch creams. I thought I remembered reading something about rashes and Lyme

(aside from the EM rash, that is), but I can't seem to find it now. My mom

suggested bed bugs (gross!), but since I was getting new spots hours after being

in bed, I didn't figure that was worth considering. I remember reading about one

woman who had Lyme and got itchy rashes during treatment, and asked her doctor

about it and he said it was toxins escaping

through the skin? I thought about the possibility of it being something I'm

applying to my skin, eating, or touching, but I haven't changed *anything* of

that sort recently. No new detergent, lotion, soap, *nothing*, which is why I

was wondering if it might not be Lyme related, or possibly an allergic reaction

to one of the herbs I'm taking (though I've been on most of these for almost a

month now with no ill effects)? Anyway, I just thought I'd pick your brains for

ideas (which sounds almost as gross as bed bugs), since many of you have been

dealing with all this stuff a lot longer than I have and thus obviously have

much more experience!

Thanks!

-Meg

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[Guest guest]

Wow, Thanks . I didn't know you could get the EM rash after so many yrs.

It makes a lot of sense and even looks like one. I've taken pictures to show

Doc. Thanks for your insight.

Diane

drostollan <drostollan@...> wrote:

Yes, it's very possible to get multiple EM rashes. I had several of

them that only started manifesting towards the end of nearly two years

of treatment (years after initial infection), and they were all over

my body. They didn't itch, but they sometimes burned. They generally

took on the standard bulls-eye shape, but not always (they came and

went every single day for months).

It's hard to say what exactly would be causing this -- whether it's an

allergic reaction or something more along the lines of a herx.

Stephany mentioned in an earlier comment about suspecting a possible

reaction between alcohol and the herbs. Alcohol could certainly be a

culprit (at least if you're drinking it!). I don't know about any

specific alcohol/herb interactions off the top of my head that are

specific to your situation, but I do know that alcohol increases

spirochetal stress proteins (HSPs), and stimulates spirochete activity

(possibly enough in your case to cause the EM rash). Alcohol can wreak

absolute havoc during any form of Lyme treatment, and MUST be avoided.

Treatment + Alcohol = Failed Treatment.

Of course, maybe this isn't applicable to you, but if you're like me,

not much is better than an occasional glass of wine. Sometimes you

have to give up some things in the short term in order to ensure long

term success.

Anyway, that's something you can consider, among other things. Hope it

goes away soon. Oh, and take pictures of the " suspicious " looking rash

-- just in case some doctor of yours in the future would like to see

them.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

My son has been on  antibotics for 5 months now for lyme. He never had the

bullseye rash. He had little sporadic patches of rashes that erupted all over

his body. Well, the rashes went away a few weeks into the treatment and are now

back.

 Does anyone have any insight into this? His fatigue has gone away, as well as

his headaches and leg pains, but still is very moody and has lots of " ocd  bad

thoughts "

I'm guessing it takes longer to cure the neuropsychiatric symptoms than the

physical?

thanks

Judy

[Guest guest]

definitely longer to treat the neuropsych stuff, as I am coming to find out with

my younger daughter.  Might he have coinfections?  We just saw our LLMD and he

said my daughter's Lyme symptoms have subsided (for now -- retrenching? gone

cystic?) but the Bartonella is kicking up a huge fight.

Natasha

From: jchabot <jchabot@...>

Subject: [ ] rashes

Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:13 AM

 

Hello,

My son has been on  antibotics for 5 months now for lyme. He never had the

bullseye rash. He had little sporadic patches of rashes that erupted all over

his body. Well, the rashes went away a few weeks into the treatment and are now

back.

 Does anyone have any insight into this? His fatigue has gone away, as well as

his headaches and leg pains, but still is very moody and has lots of " ocd  bad

thoughts "

I'm guessing it takes longer to cure the neuropsychiatric symptoms than the

physical?

thanks

Judy

[Guest guest]

How old is he if you dont mind me asking ?

From: jchabot <jchabot@...>

Subject: [ ] rashes

Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:13 AM

Hello,

My son has been on  antibotics for 5 months now for lyme. He never had the

bullseye rash. He had little sporadic patches of rashes that erupted all over

his body. Well, the rashes went away a few weeks into the treatment and are now

back.

 Does anyone have any insight into this? His fatigue has gone away, as well as

his headaches and leg pains, but still is very moody and has lots of " ocd  bad

thoughts "

I'm guessing it takes longer to cure the neuropsychiatric symptoms than the

physical?

thanks

Judy

[Guest guest]

I was pretty confused at my last visit. We go again on Friday.The doctor thought

for sure my son had bartonella but the test was negative. His test for B Duncani

was positive. I don't know if this is another name for lyme or a co-infection.

They were concerned about him having the gene for arthritis,(HLADR?) anyone know

about this? and they were going to give him plaquenil for it until they

realized he was on a med that would interact with it.

I'm hoping to clear up all this confusion Friday.

thanks

Judy

________________________________

From: Natasha Moiseyev <nmoiseyev@...>

Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 9:51:14 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] rashes

 

definitely longer to treat the neuropsych stuff, as I am coming to find out with

my younger daughter.  Might he have coinfections?  We just saw our LLMD and he

said my daughter's Lyme symptoms have subsided (for now -- retrenching? gone

cystic?) but the Bartonella is kicking up a huge fight.

Natasha

From: jchabot <jchabotsnet (DOT) net>

Subject: [ ] rashes

Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:13 AM

 

Hello,

My son has been on  antibotics for 5 months now for lyme. He never had the

bullseye rash. He had little sporadic patches of rashes that erupted all over

his body. Well, the rashes went away a few weeks into the treatment and are now

back.

 Does anyone have any insight into this? His fatigue has gone away, as well as

his headaches and leg pains, but still is very moody and has lots of " ocd  bad

thoughts "

I'm guessing it takes longer to cure the neuropsychiatric symptoms than the

physical?

thanks

Judy

[Guest guest]

He is eight.

________________________________

From: Tiffanie <tiffanies_towing@...>

Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 9:58:21 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] rashes

 

How old is he if you dont mind me asking ?

From: jchabot <jchabotsnet (DOT) net>

Subject: [ ] rashes

Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:13 AM

Hello,

My son has been on  antibotics for 5 months now for lyme. He never had the

bullseye rash. He had little sporadic patches of rashes that erupted all over

his body. Well, the rashes went away a few weeks into the treatment and are now

back.

 Does anyone have any insight into this? His fatigue has gone away, as well as

his headaches and leg pains, but still is very moody and has lots of " ocd  bad

thoughts "

I'm guessing it takes longer to cure the neuropsychiatric symptoms than the

physical?

thanks

Judy

[Guest guest]

In terms of the neuropsych symptoms, it seems from my own experience as a LL

psychotherapist and parent of two children with Lyme, that there is a waxing and

waning that goes on during treatment.  So much with LD and the co-infections

is unique in terms of symptoms and treatment.  What is the profile for one

is not likely to be the profile for another.  With children we need to be

cognizant of the incidence of PANDAS - Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric

Disorder Associated with Strep which essentially means that when a child

contracts Strep, he or she may experience an onset or increase in

neuropsychiatric symptoms.  We see this often with those with Tic disorders and

Tourette Syndrome, and OCD/other anxiety disorders, ADHD, etc.  In my practice

treating clients with Lyme, it's been my experience that often a psychiatrist

needs to be part of the treatment team to assess for the appropriateness of meds

and to help with the neuropsych

symptoms.  Particularly with Anxiety disorders, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

may also be helpful in modifying negative, interfering thoughts and training the

brain to combat such thoughts that may be troubling to the individual and/or

lead to compulsions such as with OCD, or negative behaviors such as with ODD. 

On another note, my youngest (now 7 and in tx for 2 years with Dr. J) began

Tindamax 2 days per week earlier in the year.  After three weeks we saw a

reemergence of the social phobia and separation anxiety which was a part of his

original presentation with Lyme/Bartonella/Ehrlichia.  He also developed

tremendous headaches and felt more physically ill than ever before.  Dr. J

advised us to stop the Tindamax feeling as though it was an allergic reaction to

the med as opposed to a Herx. 

Nothing with Lyme is ever easy.

Good luck to all of you.  I enjoy reading your posts and learn a great deal from

them.

Kim 

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

Yes, my son has been diagnosed with Lyme, PANDAS, OCD and Tourettes.I wish I had

some answers as far as when, and if, these symptoms will go away.Or if he will

have the tics and ocd thoughts forever.

Hugs

judy

________________________________

From: Kim <kimperrymsw@...>

Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 1:03:46 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] rashes

 

In terms of the neuropsych symptoms, it seems from my own experience as a LL

psychotherapist and parent of two children with Lyme, that there is a waxing and

waning that goes on during treatment.  So much with LD and the co-infections

is unique in terms of symptoms and treatment.  What is the profile for one

is not likely to be the profile for another.  With children we need to be

cognizant of the incidence of PANDAS - Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric

Disorder Associated with Strep which essentially means that when a child

contracts Strep, he or she may experience an onset or increase in

neuropsychiatric symptoms.  We see this often with those with Tic disorders and

Tourette Syndrome, and OCD/other anxiety disorders, ADHD, etc.  In my practice

treating clients with Lyme, it's been my experience that often a psychiatrist

needs to be part of the treatment team to assess for the appropriateness of meds

and to help with the neuropsych

symptoms.  Particular ly with Anxiety disorders, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

may also be helpful in modifying negative, interfering thoughts and training the

brain to combat such thoughts that may be troubling to the individual and/or

lead to compulsions such as with OCD, or negative behaviors such as with ODD. 

On another note, my youngest (now 7 and in tx for 2 years with Dr. J) began

Tindamax 2 days per week earlier in the year.  After three weeks we saw a

reemergence of the social phobia and separation anxiety which was a part of his

original presentation with Lyme/Bartonella/ Ehrlichia.   He also developed

tremendous headaches and felt more physically ill than ever before.  Dr. J

advised us to stop the Tindamax feeling as though it was an allergic reaction

to the med as opposed to a Herx. 

Nothing with Lyme is ever easy.

Good luck to all of you.  I enjoy reading your posts and learn a great deal

from them.

Kim 

____________ _________ _________ __

[Guest guest]

Welcome. This group has been great for me and I'm sure will be for you as well.

My son is 12. We believe he has had Lyme/Bartonella all his life but didn't get

really sick until about age 8 or 9. He was clinically diagnosed with Lyme and

tested positive for Bartonella (co-infection) 1 yr ago and was doing very well

until we stopped the Bartonella meds. Now he only has psyc symptoms and our

LLMD says the Bartonella is fighting back with a vengeance.

Good for you to pursue this for your child. I know how you feel and how hard it

is to fight when others don't believe you. It's hard to ever know if you're

doing the right thing but what I've been doing, and hearing, helps so I figure I

must be on the right path. Trust you instincts.

Anti-anxiety meds have recently saved my son! He was spiraling down and in such

dispare, we started him on zoloft and anti-anx meds. It has helped get him back

to deal and somewhat joke about his anxiety. I tell myself it is only temporary

and this is what he NEEDS to help him get through this. The critters are in his

brain and making him " not who he is " . OCD and moody behaviors could absolutely

be related to the Lyme and/ or co-infections. I would suggest you look into

Bartonella also. I've heard, in children esp, it presents with GI and psyc

symptoms. My son is a classic case of this! I would also suggest you see a

doctor who is knowledgeable in treating Lyme. I'm not real confident in

Infectious Disease doctors treating Lyme. People on this site can help direct

you to a doctor.

Hope this helps. Best wishes.

Elaine

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[Guest guest]

HI,

We do detox through our skin.......rashes can mean a sign of toxic

blood.....a good probiotic is the liquid Aqua Flora phase 1 for

candida.......tastes good too...most of us need detoxing with all the toxins out

there....and

hydration, blancing our pH, Enzymes as only raw foods have enzymes....and

the right balanced minerals for starters and ELIMINATE SUGAR

ENTIRELY.....it's a chemical and poison....mary

In a message dated 3/15/2010 12:31:01 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

sajeelshafiq@... writes:

My 4 year old son is on GFCF diet. He has fungus in his gut. We started

supplementation with Probiotic, Caprylic Acid, Buffered Calcium, Vitamin A

and Co-enyme Q10 and Magnesium since last ten days. From last two days red

rashes has appeared on his body and face with a lot of itching. Can anyone

tell what might be the reason. is it fungal die off or something else.

Sajeel

[Guest guest]

Somewhat on a solution, to the problem with some rashes, etc.

I developed a rash, around my abdomen, seemingly after taking more Vit. D, C,

Cal.-Mag., Cutting my sugar intake, (and taking a bit of biotin and ALA here and

there, etc.) which became aggravatingly itchy and almost vitality sapping, and I

found relief rubbing it with, (drum roll please? Harrumph?) an antiseptic

mouthwash. I mean, if you put it in your mouth and swallow it?!. It very much

relieved the symptoms, and problem, temporarily, (but it is disappearing! as

looking anything like a rash) until I have to apply it again. Two applications a

day is doing it for me, though it's not actually gone, yet. It's like, under

control, seriously.

My daughter just yesterday was diagnosed with a yeast infection and for the heck

of it I applied some of the cream she was prescribed on my rash (around my

abdomen) and it worked even better, so I must be on to something? with respect

to guys, too? Rather than continue to use her cream (and using up her

prescription) I put my chemist hat on and added GSE to the small handful of

mouthwash I was rubbing into my skin and it worked even better (!) than my first

home-made improvised concoction (Yes! of the primary research!). I should patent

this thing? What do you think folks? Man of justice that I am? .. . (You want to

know It?

I was for a short while using Gold Bond medicated powder for it (the " man's "

alternative? for those wanting to ignore yeast? of that " woman's " problem? that

" doctors " too often look at it as, I'd be thinkin') and I found this formulation

of *mine* works every bit as good without the toxicity of a powder that you

might inhale (of such deleterious consequence of as much?) and it smelled

better! Gold Bond recommended discontinuing use after a week or so. How could

that be a problem with mouthwash (It's " not, " as far as I'm concerned (So is

not, *really,* my *writing style,* more or less, as far as I'm concerned... for

what I get out of It, I mean (of what I give?!.

Not all antiseptic mouthwashes are proving to be the same. I found the one with

an ethanol base to be superior to one with an alcohol base. Mine also is menthol

flavored, with eucalyptol and menthol as a medicinal ingredient, in it, so that

might have something to do with it? Other mouthwashes didn't work nearly so well

The company name for the mouthwash is Exact, found at Zehyr's grocery stores

here in Canada, where I'm from.

I am a cheap some-of-a-gun (of sorts?) who likes to go more " natural " (in a not

so natural world?) of " value " so here's hoping this might help others in that

respect, of helping each other? perhaps? (of as much? .. .

I'm glad where I can help you in that respect, where there's more than meets the

eye with *me,* with respect to how and what I communicate? of true communication

entails as much as I do, as I Feel I Do, Thereof! (Take It or leave It? where

The choice is y/ours, Thereof! of *Intelligence,* (of Justness) but what else,

of Understanding More

Here's hoping for Us in that respect.

Glavic

On as much.

No socialist without *justice,* first, of the Individual/Constitutional

(Thereof.. .

Like there is any other *real* world, as far as I'm concerned

Leader of *my* world.. (Where I wish as much for you of yours.. . !

Inspiring in a different way?!. Here's more than hoping so, I Feel as

Understand.

We're entering a new period folks, is my sense of It, of this.. .

So I'm a bit of a rash myself? .. . (It's the professionals " also " who need as

much, help, as far as I'm concerned.. .

A rather lengthy post, where you would have the time, and choice, for as much,

of as much? Take what you can from It, leave the rest for others? what I wish

for all, of one and All, Thereof

Going for It, where you wanted to know what that is, of The phenomena, as far as

I'm concerned.. I don't feel I have " forever, " to say all that I understand,

that I Feel needs to be said

> > My 4 year old son is on GFCF diet. He has fungus in his gut. We started

supplementation with Probiotic, Caprylic Acid, Buffered Calcium, Vitamin A and

Co-enyme Q10 and Magnesium since last ten days. From last two days red rashes

has appeared on his body and face with a lot of itching. Can anyone tell what

might be the reason. is it fungal die off or something else.

>

>

> My #4 has had ringworm on her skin. Sometimes it was caused by yeast

overgrowth, and sometimes it was caused by die off of internal yeast [it was

coming out thru her skin].

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

we are not using sugar from last three months.

Sajeel

On Mon Mar 15th, 2010 11:03 PM PKT md29again@... wrote:

>HI,

>

>We do detox through our skin.......rashes can mean a sign of toxic

>blood.....a good probiotic is the liquid Aqua Flora phase 1 for

>candida.......tastes good too...most of us need detoxing with all the toxins

out there....and

>hydration, blancing our pH, Enzymes as only raw foods have enzymes....and

>the right balanced minerals for starters and ELIMINATE SUGAR

>ENTIRELY.....it's a chemical and poison....mary

>

>

>In a message dated 3/15/2010 12:31:01 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

>sajeelshafiq@... writes:

>

>My 4 year old son is on GFCF diet. He has fungus in his gut. We started

>supplementation with Probiotic, Caprylic Acid, Buffered Calcium, Vitamin A

>and Co-enyme Q10 and Magnesium since last ten days. From last two days red

>rashes has appeared on his body and face with a lot of itching. Can anyone

>tell what might be the reason. is it fungal die off or something else.

>

>Sajeel

>

>

>

>