Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

[Guest guest]

I don't have them off hand, but I can give you a general idea:

My LH and FSH were low, my testosterone was 340, my IGF-1 was 142, my 24

hour saliva cortisol test revealed severe adrenal fatigue. Surprisingly, my

TSH was only 230 and my FT4 and FT3 were normal. However, I recently learned

that once I get on cortisol, this will change as my thyroid really wasn't

being used efficiently. My pregnenalone and progesterone were non existent

and my DHEA was high. I guess this also points to adrenal fatigue since my

adrenal glands are desperately trying to produce DHEA to make up for the

other deficient hormones. My B12 and vitamin D were super low also.

Yeah, 10 years I've had this shit. The problem is that I never slowed down

after my concussions to allow my body to heal itself. So, I put myself

through all kinds of stress which culminated in my crashing in grad school.

This was a bummer to me because I had finally gotten into my dream school -

Trinity College Dublin, Ireland - and I pretty much sold everything I owned

to make it happen. I'm now living with my parents (which sucks after having

a successful career and being in grad school) and using that money for

treatment. Luckily, Trinity has graciously given me 18 months to get all of

this figured out. So, hopefully I'll be able to get back there.

My symptoms are:

Fatigue

Brain Fog

Insomnia (I fall asleep but wake up often)

low sex drive

vision disturbances

slight depersonalization/derealization

GERD

Some of these are from the brain injury but most are from the hormone

deficiencies. The problem is that my brain can't heal itself until I get

the hormones up to par. So, I just am playing the waiting game at this

point.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Sounds like it might be secondary. Like Phil and his auto accident head

> injury.

>

> Do. You have any labs to post? T, LH, E2, FSH?

>

> So you have been suffering for 10 years?

>

> What symptoms are you Having?

>

> PS: I'm still. A newb on this stuff.

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc-

> > > > >

> > > > > It was really nice meeting you finally.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength coffee, eh?

> > > > >

> > > > > Be well!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Crisler, DO

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

You can get better. Go to Dr , you have a lot going for yourself and He can

help you.

It will be worth every cent.

Your health is your greatest asset, take care of it. It took me almost a year to

figure this out.

I wouldn't delay either.

Good luck my friend.

Marc M

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc-

> > > > >

> > > > > It was really nice meeting you finally.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength coffee, eh?

> > > > >

> > > > > Be well!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Crisler, DO

> > > > >

> > > > > Anti-Aging Medicine

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[Guest guest]

Mike,

Dr. Crisler does treat adrenal fatigue.

Bill

Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

>

>

> Marc-

>

> It was really nice meeting you finally.

>

> Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength coffee, eh?

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

> Crisler, DO

>

> Anti-Aging Medicine

>

> The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal

>

> and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by

> state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended

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[Guest guest]

Dr Crisler mentioned it measures different types of Estergen.

Ill be taking this test ASAP.

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Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> >

> > Marc,

> >

> > I know that you're not allowed to discuss any particulars of your

> > treatment. However, can you tell me if Dr. Crisler is familiar with adrenal

> > fatigue and how that incorporates into the other hormones?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Mike

[Guest guest]

Was your BP up :-)

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

>

> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 9:33 PM

> Wait a minute here!  you didn't

> offer me any coffee!

> Bill Totten

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " Crisler, DO " <drjohn@...>

>

> Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 4:06:51 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing

> tomorrow

>

>  

> Marc-

>

> It was really nice meeting you finally.

>

> Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength coffee,

> eh?

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

> Crisler, DO

>

> Anti-Aging Medicine

>

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[Guest guest]

Mike I can tell you he is one of the best at this go to his forum and listen to

the Sticky " Dr. on Human Radio " there is a show he did about Adrenals.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s= & daysprune= & f=2

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > Yea.. it's like finding something you've been

> searching for, someone

> > who " hears " what you're saying and has an answer.

> > I hope you get MUCH better Marc.

> > Bill

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...

> <MisterX225%40aol.com>>

> >

> < %40>

> > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 9:38:02 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to

> Lansing tomorrow

> >

> >

> >

> > It was strong as hell. Man Cave Coffee!

> >

> > I'm so happy I saw him. He genuinely cares about his

> patients. Its rare to

> > find a Doc like him.

> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> >

> > Re: Re: Well I'm off to

> Lansing tomorrow

> >

> >

> > Marc-

> >

> > It was really nice meeting you finally.

> >

> > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength

> coffee, eh?

> >

> > Be well!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Crisler, DO

> >

> > Anti-Aging Medicine

> >

> > The information contained in this message is intended

> only for the personal

> >

> > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above,

> and is protected by

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> and delete the

> > original message. We would certainly do the same for

> you.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

LOL. =P

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Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing

> tomorrow

>

>  

> Marc-

>

> It was really nice meeting you finally.

>

> Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength coffee,

> eh?

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

> Crisler, DO

>

> Anti-Aging Medicine

>

> The information contained in this message is intended only

> for the personal

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> is protected by

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[Guest guest]

Mike once you get this all treated your going to be fine If I can get there

anyone can. I went 23 yrs not knowing my Pituitary was not working right and

even after this I had to start treating my Thyroid with my wifes meds after

going on OTC Isocort for my Adreanls. When my Dr. seen how much better I was

doing he started treating this.

It is a shame what we need to do to get treated right.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here is what I am having tested.

> > > >

> > > > 24 Hour Urine Panel.

> > > >

> > > > Bloodwork:

> > > >

> > > > Total Testosterone

> > > > Test. Free and Weakly Bound # 143255

> > > > SHBG

> > > > Progesterone

> > > > LH

> > > > CBC

> > > > B-12

> > > > Ferritin

> > > > FSH

> > > > CMP

> > > > 25(OH)D

> > > >

> > > > This starts a whole new journey in my life.

> Time to get better.

> > > >

> > > > - Marc M

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yea.. it's like finding something

> you've been searching for,

> > someone

> > > > > > who " hears " what you're saying and

> has an answer.

> > > > > > I hope you get MUCH better Marc.

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > From: Marc Michaud

> <MisterX225@... <MisterX225%40aol.com>>

> > > >

> > > > > > To:

< %40>< %

> > 40>< %

> > > 40>< %

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 9:38:02

> PM

> > > > > > Subject: Re: Re:

> Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was strong as hell. Man Cave

> Coffee!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm so happy I saw him. He

> genuinely cares about his patients. Its

> > > rare

> > > > to

> > > > > > find a Doc like him.

> > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Re:

> Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was really nice meeting you

> finally.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that

> extra strength coffee, eh?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Be well!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Crisler, DO

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anti-Aging Medicine

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The information contained in this

> message is intended only for the

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> > > > > --

> > > > > Mike

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

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> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil. After listening to that broadcast, I decided to make the trip

out to see Dr. Crisler. The doc I have now is really good, this person just

doesn't know a lot about adrenal fatigue. My doc even told me that using HC

at any dose is dangerous. So, when I hear that, I pretty much give up on

the doctor and move on.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> Mike once you get this all treated your going to be fine If I can get there

> anyone can. I went 23 yrs not knowing my Pituitary was not working right and

> even after this I had to start treating my Thyroid with my wifes meds after

> going on OTC Isocort for my Adreanls. When my Dr. seen how much better I was

> doing he started treating this.

>

> It is a shame what we need to do to get treated right.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is what I am having tested.

> > > > >

> > > > > 24 Hour Urine Panel.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bloodwork:

> > > > >

> > > > > Total Testosterone

> > > > > Test. Free and Weakly Bound # 143255

> > > > > SHBG

> > > > > Progesterone

> > > > > LH

> > > > > CBC

> > > > > B-12

> > > > > Ferritin

> > > > > FSH

> > > > > CMP

> > > > > 25(OH)D

> > > > >

> > > > > This starts a whole new journey in my life.

> > Time to get better.

> > > > >

> > > > > - Marc M

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yea.. it's like finding something

> > you've been searching for,

> > > someone

> > > > > > > who " hears " what you're saying and

> > has an answer.

> > > > > > > I hope you get MUCH better Marc.

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > From: Marc Michaud

> > <MisterX225@... <MisterX225%40aol.com>>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > < %40>

> < %40>< %

> > > 40>< %

> > > > 40>< %

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 9:38:02

>

> > PM

> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re:

> > Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It was strong as hell. Man Cave

> > Coffee!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm so happy I saw him. He

> > genuinely cares about his patients. Its

> > > > rare

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > find a Doc like him.

> > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Re:

> > Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It was really nice meeting you

> > finally.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that

> > extra strength coffee, eh?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Be well!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Crisler, DO

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anti-Aging Medicine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The information contained in this

> > message is intended only for the

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> > > > > > > and confidential use of the

> > recipient(s) named above, and is

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> > > > > > > original message. We would

> > certainly do the same for you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > have been removed]

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> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Mike

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I have read posts by Dr. saying he dose not need labs to tell if one has AF

he can tell by how they feel.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

>

> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 9:59 AM

> Mike, adrenal fatigue is going to be

> a very important issue for me too. I am pretty sure that the

> 24 hr urine is to measure cortisol production. Many

> alternative/wellness/etc docs use 4x/day saliva testing for

> this but I'm pretty sure that Dr. uses the 24 hour

> urine which is hopefully even better - I've done the saliva

> labs a few times (and always tested low-normal) but never

> the urine test.

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > He didn't mention adrenal fatigue to me. But he

> is a hormone guru.

> > >

> > > Have you seen him?  If not you should. 

>

> > >

> > > You're right, I can't discuss my treatment

> because it will be specially designed for my situation 

> but we don't know what's wrong with me yet either.

> > >

> > > Got lots of tests I need to do.

> > > Good luck buddy.

> > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> > >

> > > Re: Re: Well I'm off to

> Lansing tomorrow

> > >

> > > Marc,

> > >

> > > I know that you're not allowed to discuss any

> particulars of your

> > > treatment.  However, can you tell me if Dr.

> Crisler is familiar with adrenal

> > > fatigue and how that incorporates into the other

> hormones?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Mike

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have a huge file full of links and info about Af if you have not seen them let

me know I will post them. I am off to the gym.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is what I am having tested.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 24 Hour Urine Panel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bloodwork:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Total Testosterone

> > > > > > Test. Free and Weakly Bound #

> 143255

> > > > > > SHBG

> > > > > > Progesterone

> > > > > > LH

> > > > > > CBC

> > > > > > B-12

> > > > > > Ferritin

> > > > > > FSH

> > > > > > CMP

> > > > > > 25(OH)D

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This starts a whole new journey in

> my life.

> > > Time to get better.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - Marc M

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yea.. it's like finding

> something

> > > you've been searching for,

> > > > someone

> > > > > > > > who " hears " what you're

> saying and

> > > has an answer.

> > > > > > > > I hope you get MUCH

> better Marc.

> > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> ________________________________

> > > > > > > > From: Marc Michaud

> > > <MisterX225@...

> <MisterX225%40aol.com>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To:

< %40>

> >

> < %40>< %

> > > > 40>< %

> > > > >

> 40>< %

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010

> 9:38:02

> >

> > > PM

> > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> Re:

> > > Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It was strong as hell.

> Man Cave

> > > Coffee!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm so happy I saw him.

> He

> > > genuinely cares about his patients. Its

> > > > > rare

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > find a Doc like him.

> > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from

> T-Mobile

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -----Original

> Message-----

> > > > > > > > From: Bill Totten

> > > <bill_totten@...

> <bill_totten%40>>

> > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010

> 18:33:41

> > > > > > > > To:

< < %40>

> >

> < %40>< %

> > > > 40>< %

> > > > >

> 40>< %

> > > > > > 40>>

> > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> Re:

> > > Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wait a minute here!

> you

> > > didn't offer me any coffee!

> > > > > > > > Bill Totten

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> ________________________________

> > > > > > > > From: " Crisler,

> DO "

> > >

> <drjohn@...<drjohn%40allthingsmale.com>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To:

< %40>

> >

> < %40>< %

> > > > 40>< %

> > > > >

> 40>< %

> > > > > > 40>

> >

> > > > > > > > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010

> 4:06:51

> > > PM

> > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> Re:

> > > Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It was really nice

> meeting you

> > > finally.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ya, we sure got jacked

> up on that

> > > extra strength coffee, eh?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Be well!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Crisler, DO

> > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

You won't regret it. Good decision my friend.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: Re:

> > Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It was really nice meeting you

> > finally.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that

> > extra strength coffee, eh?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Be well!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Crisler, DO

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anti-Aging Medicine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The information contained in this

> > message is intended only for the

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> > > > > > > and confidential use of the

> > recipient(s) named above, and is

> > > > protected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > state and federal law. If the

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[Guest guest]

Nah... but I can't really drink strong coffee anyway so maybe he did a nice

thing for me....

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 10:48:28 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

 

Was your BP up :-)

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

>

> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 9:33 PM

> Wait a minute here!  you didn't

> offer me any coffee!

> Bill Totten

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " Crisler, DO " <drjohn@...>

>

> Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 4:06:51 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing

> tomorrow

>

>  

> Marc-

>

> It was really nice meeting you finally.

>

> Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength coffee,

> eh?

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

> Crisler, DO

>

> Anti-Aging Medicine

>

> The information contained in this message is intended only

> for the personal

> and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and

> is protected by

> state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not

> the intended

> recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the

> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have

> received this

> document in error and that any review, dissemination,

> distribution, or

> copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have

> received this

> communication in error, please notify us immediately, and

> delete the

> original message. We would certainly do the same for you.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Some day before I die I am going to drive up and see him and take him out for

lunch. It's only about a 2hr. drive for me. When I went in the hosp. for an

angioplasty I posted I would not be on the web for about 4 days. He has my Phone

Number and when he did not see me posting he called my wife. He is just a great

gut.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to

> Lansing tomorrow

> >

> > Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 9:33 PM

> > Wait a minute here!  you didn't

> > offer me any coffee!

> > Bill Totten

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " Crisler, DO " <drjohn@...>

> >

> > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 4:06:51 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to

> Lansing

> > tomorrow

> >

> >  

> > Marc-

> >

> > It was really nice meeting you finally.

> >

> > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength

> coffee,

> > eh?

> >

> > Be well!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Crisler, DO

> >

> > Anti-Aging Medicine

> >

> > The information contained in this message is intended

> only

> > for the personal

> > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above,

> and

> > is protected by

> > state and federal law. If the reader of this message

> is not

> > the intended

> > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to

> the

> > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you

> have

> > received this

> > document in error and that any review, dissemination,

> > distribution, or

> > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you

> have

> > received this

> > communication in error, please notify us immediately,

> and

> > delete the

> > original message. We would certainly do the same for

> you.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Says a lot about the guy.....

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 4:26:49 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

Some day before I die I am going to drive up and see him and take him out for

lunch. It's only about a 2hr. drive for me. When I went in the hosp. for an

angioplasty I posted I would not be on the web for about 4 days. He has my Phone

Number and when he did not see me posting he called my wife. He is just a great

gut.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to

> Lansing tomorrow

> >

> > Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 9:33 PM

> > Wait a minute here! you didn't

> > offer me any coffee!

> > Bill Totten

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " Crisler, DO " <drjohn@...>

> >

> > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 4:06:51 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to

> Lansing

> > tomorrow

> >

> >

> > Marc-

> >

> > It was really nice meeting you finally.

> >

> > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength

> coffee,

> > eh?

> >

> > Be well!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Crisler, DO

> >

> > Anti-Aging Medicine

> >

> > The information contained in this message is intended

> only

> > for the personal

> > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above,

> and

> > is protected by

> > state and federal law. If the reader of this message

> is not

> > the intended

> > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to

> the

> > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you

> have

> > received this

> > document in error and that any review, dissemination,

> > distribution, or

> > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you

> have

> > received this

> > communication in error, please notify us immediately,

> and

> > delete the

> > original message. We would certainly do the same for

> you.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That is great marc I hope you start to feel better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

>

> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 5:59 PM

>

> Hey Group,

>

> I've been MIA for the most part.

>

> I should have the results my bloodwork and 24 urine test

> within a week.  I am really curious of what they are

> going to say.

>

> For those who are unfamliar with my situation.  I had

> great natural T levels, took TRT for about two weeks, then

> took Nolvadex to cycle off of it.  Then used TRT for

> one day.

>

> My erection quality has improved (haven't been on nothing

> for a while). 

>

> I still have some atrophy.  Not sure what can be done

> about that.  I don't want to be on TRT, maybe my system

> needs a restart, that's all.

>

> Libido is not like it was before I started TRT and Nolva.

>

> Still have some nipples issues.  They are small normal

> size in the mornings, but through the day, they get

> larger.  Dr. said I have minor gyno.  Nothing

> serious.

>

> When I talk to Dr. , we'll go over the blood and urine

> labwork and take it from there.  I won't be able to

> post my treatment, but I'll post what I can, just can't

> disclose my treatment (its the rules).

>

> I hope everyone is doing good on here. 

>

> I really think the 24 hour urine panel will give me a lot

> of answers.  I never had one before, I only had

> bloodtests in the morning, which had my T is a high range,

> yet I still have some problems.

>

> Hey Phil and Mark, I hope you guys are doing good.  I

> plan to be more active on here again, just been super busy.

>

> Be well, all.

>

> Take Care,

>

> Marc

>

>

> > >

> > > > From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> > > > Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off

> to

> > > Lansing tomorrow

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 9:33 PM

> > > > Wait a minute here!  you didn't

> > > > offer me any coffee!

> > > > Bill Totten

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: " Crisler, DO " <drjohn@...>

> > > >

> > > > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 4:06:51 PM

> > > > Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off

> to

> > > Lansing

> > > > tomorrow

> > > >

> > > >   

> > > > Marc-

> > > >

> > > > It was really nice meeting you finally.

> > > >

> > > > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra

> strength

> > > coffee,

> > > > eh?

> > > >

> > > > Be well!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Crisler, DO

> > > >

> > > > Anti-Aging Medicine

> > > >

> > > > The information contained in this message is

> intended

> > > only

> > > > for the personal

> > > > and confidential use of the recipient(s)

> named above,

> > > and

> > > > is protected by

> > > > state and federal law. If the reader of this

> message

> > > is not

> > > > the intended

> > > > recipient or an agent responsible for

> delivering it to

> > > the

> > > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified

> that you

> > > have

> > > > received this

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> prohibited. If you

> > > have

> > > > received this

> > > > communication in error, please notify us

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> > > > delete the

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> > > you.

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> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

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