Guest guest Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 see response at bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > Chris > > > > > > <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > Too fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > Wednesday, > > > > > > December 8, 2010, 6:03 > > > > > > > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a > > > > long story > > > > > > short, i saw a > > > > > > > > > > rubbish dr > > > > > > > > > > > > today, in > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UK > > > > regarding my low > > > > > > T levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest > > > > test result > > > > > > at 9am, 8.3, range > > > > > > > > > > 7.5 - 27 I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think. > > > > Oestradiol > > > > > > last month was 48, > > > > > > > > > > range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 50-several > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > > said all my > > > > > > prboelms were down > > > > > > > > > > to being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overweight, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all of > > > > them. he > > > > > > was very rude and > > > > > > > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am > > > > 260lbs. my T > > > > > > is 8.3. when I was > > > > > > > > > > at 224lbs, > > > > > > > > > > > > my T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was 9.2 > > > > . When I > > > > > > was at 203lbs, i > > > > > > > > > > still had > > > > > > > > > > > > symptoms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > fatigue, low > > > > > > mood, sennsitivity to > > > > > > > > > > cold etc, > > > > > > > > > > > > inability > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > > > > > muscle. i am age 31, nearly > > > > > > > > > > 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have > > > > very high > > > > > > LDL and triglyeride > > > > > > > > > > levels, > > > > > > > > > > > > triglys > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7.5 i > > > > think, normal > > > > > > was <1.5 , > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blood > > > > sugar was ok, > > > > > > 5.0, range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > what do you > > > > > > think is going > > > > > > > > > > onhere? do you > > > > > > > > > > > > think Low > > T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > causing myh > > > > > > being too fat, or the > > > > > > > > > > low T is > > > > > > > > > > > > causing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems? In my > > > > > > late teens early 20s > > > > > > > > > > i went > > > > > > > > > > > > impotent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 2 > > > > years, > > > > > > couldn't do a thing, no > > > > > > > > > > morning wood > > > > > > > > > > > > i think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you call > > > > it there, > > > > > > nothing, took 2 yrs > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > > would not > > > > > > give me anything to > > > > > > > > > > help at > > > > > > > > > > > > first, > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would not > > > > give > > > > > > metformin, tho i gather > > > > > > > > > > this can > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > metabolic > > > > syndrome > > > > > > which he said i > > > > > > > > > > had. he kept > > > > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on about > > > > orlistat, > > > > > > i do not want that > > > > > > > > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just > > > > kept saying > > > > > > lose weight. i > > > > > > > > > > said how > > > > > > > > > > > > hard it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is to > > > > exercise, do > > > > > > anything, i am weak > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said. he then > > > > > > decided to offer a 3 > > > > > > > > > > month of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T > > > > treatment to > > > > > > boost me he said, 3x > > > > > > > > > > monthly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > been told > > > > > > that if i take T now > > > > > > > > > > it will > > > > > > > > > > > > turn > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > estragen. > > > > is this > > > > > > right? in which > > > > > > > > > > case I have > > > > > > > > > > > > no hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really do > > > > i? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > please can you > > > > > > offer some advice > > > > > > > > > > or thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > on this, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > happening > > > > > > here, is this man > > > > > > > > > > talking bs? > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i take > > > > something > > > > > > like DIM now and see > > > > > > > > > > if that > > > > > > > > > > > > helps? > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > symptoms even > > > > > > when i > > > > > > > > > > slim. when i > > went > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impotent > > > > in my 20s > > > > > > i was about 155lbs, > > > > > > > > > > how can > > > > > > > > > > > > this be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weight > > > > related > > > > > > unless the Low T's been > > > > > > > > > > there ages > > > > > > > > > > > > and is > > now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > causing > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please > > > > help i am > > > > > > very depressed and > > > > > > > > > > despndent > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > this i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > know what to > > > > > > do or think now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Good point we have posts this long or replys to a thread that we have no idea what the thread was about. I see no end to this. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jbbooks1901 <jbbooks1901@...> > Subject: Re: Too fat? > > Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 2:09 AM > see response at bottom > if you ARE fat you will tend to convert much of you > existing testosterone to estrogen. > > so loose weight, adequeate protein, low carb, low fat, > excersize... take in fewer calories than you burn. > > THEN get your Test levels (and e2, etc) levels tested when > you're less than 20# overweight. > > and isn't bottom posting great! > > it lets people see all the junk they're to lazy to trim off > their posts/replies. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Hi Phil Can I get your advice again please? I've seen the GP today, he still insists my T levels are normal but has said that the consultant has written to him to let me have 3-5 months trial of T therapy if i want to (i think they think it'll shut me up). i've been offered sustanon 250 every 3 weeks for between 3 and 5 months. The GP said he won't be monitoring T levels during the treatment as sustanon is supposed to have the right amount in to restore levels in a man. do you think i should give this a try with DIM, and zinc? bearing in mind that i am about 260+, have insulin resistance, i think i need to do something, as well as lose weight? if it really came to it i could get my T levles measured by a private lab. this study seems to be relevant to me as people on it got the same T and have same health problems? http://aace.metapress.com/content/113r002256t16281/ Thanks for your thoughts chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no doctor but I know that being > > overweight > > > > can create fatigue. When people loose the > > excess > > > > pounds they always seem to say how much energy > > that > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is pretty heavy unless you are > > about 6 feet > > > > 4. Maybe if the doctor gives you enough > > testosterone > > > > and Arimidex, your estradiol with be down low and > > the > > > > testorone will give you the energy to get the > > pounds off. > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc put me on 1 cc a week of > > testostone and > > > > half a Arimidex 3 times a week. I am loosing > > weight > > > > without really trying. I did cut out the extra > > > > starches (which I love), and avoid extra coke or > > > > pepsi. So far it seems to be working. Oh, > > and > > > > the doc said not to eat after 7 pm because that > > doesn't get > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > Subject: Too fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a long story short, i saw a > > rubbish dr > > > > today, in the UK regarding my low T levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > latest test result at 9am, 8.3, range > > 7.5 - 27 I > > > > think. Oestradiol last month was 48, range > > 50-several > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr said all my prboelms were down > > to being > > > > overweight, all of them. he was very rude and > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am 260lbs. my T is 8.3. when I was at > > 224lbs, > > > > my T was 9.2 . When I was at 203lbs, i still had > > symptoms of > > > > fatigue, low mood, sennsitivity to cold etc, > > inability to > > > > build muscle. i am age 31, nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high LDL and triglyeride > > levels, > > > > triglys about 7.5 i think, normal was <1.5 , > > fasting > > > > blood sugar was ok, 5.0, range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, what do you think is going > > onhere? do you > > > > think Low T is causing myh being too fat, or the > > low T is > > > > causing problems? In my late teens early 20s i > > went impotent > > > > for 2 years, couldn't do a thing, no morning wood > > i think > > > > you call it there, nothing, took 2 yrs to > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr would not give me anything to > > help at > > > > first, he would not give metformin, tho i gather > > this can > > > > help with metabolic syndrome which he said i had. > > he kept > > > > going on about orlistat, i do not want that > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > he just kept saying lose weight. i said > > how hard > > > > it is to exercise, do anything, i am weak i said. > > he then > > > > decided to offer a 3 month of T treatment to > > boost me he > > > > said, 3x monthly injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > i have been told that if i take T now > > it will > > > > turn into estragen. is this right? in which case > > I have no > > > > hope really do i? > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil please can you offer some advice > > or thoughts > > > > on this, what is happening here, is this man > > talking bs? > > > > should i take something like DIM now and see if > > that helps? > > > > I had symptoms even when i slim. when i went > > impotent in my > > > > 20s i was about 155lbs, how can this be weight > > related > > > > unless the Low T's been there ages and is now > > causing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help i am very depressed and > > despndent > > > > about this i don't know what to do or think now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 What can you do your very low and doing this is better then nothing. If it were me I would try this but ask if I feel better and my health gets better will you keep me on this. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Too fat? > > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 2:43 PM > Hi Phil > > Can I get your advice again please? > > I've seen the GP today, he still insists my T levels are > normal but has said that the consultant has written to him > to let me have 3-5 months trial of T therapy if i want to (i > think they think it'll shut me up). > > i've been offered sustanon 250 every 3 weeks for between 3 > and 5 months. The GP said he won't be monitoring T levels > during the treatment as sustanon is supposed to have the > right amount in to restore levels in a man. do you think i > should give this a try with DIM, and zinc? bearing in > mind that i am about 260+, have insulin resistance, i think > i need to do something, as well as lose weight? if it > really came to it i could get my T levles measured by a > private lab. > > this study seems to be relevant to me as people on it got > the same T and have same health problems? http://aace.metapress.com/content/113r002256t16281/ > > > Thanks for your thoughts > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no doctor but I know > that being > > > overweight > > > > > can create fatigue. When people loose > the > > > excess > > > > > pounds they always seem to say how much > energy > > > that > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is pretty heavy unless > you are > > > about 6 feet > > > > > 4. Maybe if the doctor gives you > enough > > > testosterone > > > > > and Arimidex, your estradiol with be > down low and > > > the > > > > > testorone will give you the energy to > get the > > > pounds off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc put me on 1 cc a week > of > > > testostone and > > > > > half a Arimidex 3 times a week. I am > loosing > > > weight > > > > > without really trying. I did cut out > the extra > > > > > starches (which I love), and avoid > extra coke or > > > > > pepsi. So far it seems to be > working. Oh, > > > and > > > > > the doc said not to eat after 7 pm > because that > > > doesn't get > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 > 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > > Subject: Too > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a long story short, i > saw a > > > rubbish dr > > > > > today, in the UK regarding my low T > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest test result at 9am, > 8.3, range > > > 7.5 - 27 I > > > > > think. Oestradiol last month was 48, > range > > > 50-several > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr said all my prboelms > were down > > > to being > > > > > overweight, all of them. he was very > rude and > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am 260lbs. my T is 8.3. > when I was at > > > 224lbs, > > > > > my T was 9.2 . When I was at 203lbs, i > still had > > > symptoms of > > > > > fatigue, low mood, sennsitivity to cold > etc, > > > inability to > > > > > build muscle. i am age 31, nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high LDL and > triglyeride > > > levels, > > > > > triglys about 7.5 i think, normal was > <1.5 , > > > fasting > > > > > blood sugar was ok, 5.0, range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, what do you think is > going > > > onhere? do you > > > > > think Low T is causing myh being too > fat, or the > > > low T is > > > > > causing problems? In my late teens > early 20s i > > > went impotent > > > > > for 2 years, couldn't do a thing, no > morning wood > > > i think > > > > > you call it there, nothing, took 2 yrs > to > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr would not give me > anything to > > > help at > > > > > first, he would not give metformin, tho > i gather > > > this can > > > > > help with metabolic syndrome which he > said i had. > > > he kept > > > > > going on about orlistat, i do not want > that > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just kept saying lose > weight. i said > > > how hard > > > > > it is to exercise, do anything, i am > weak i said. > > > he then > > > > > decided to offer a 3 month of T > treatment to > > > boost me he > > > > > said, 3x monthly injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have been told that if i > take T now > > > it will > > > > > turn into estragen. is this right? in > which case > > > I have no > > > > > hope really do i? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil please can you offer > some advice > > > or thoughts > > > > > on this, what is happening here, is > this man > > > talking bs? > > > > > should i take something like DIM now > and see if > > > that helps? > > > > > I had symptoms even when i slim. when i > went > > > impotent in my > > > > > 20s i was about 155lbs, how can this be > weight > > > related > > > > > unless the Low T's been there ages and > is now > > > causing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help i am very > depressed and > > > despndent > > > > > about this i don't know what to do or > think now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > message have > > > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Thanks Phil I think you're right. if i do feel better and they won't treat me then least i can buy it from somewhere else, it's pretty cheap here, about equiv of about 5-6 dollars for 3 weeks worth. given it's so cheap you'd think they'd be happy to try it esp when compared to the cost of diabetes drugs for life, potential heart trouble etc, statins. crazy. it has been said the drug companies would sooner sell all these drugs than just prevent it with one cheap thing like T jabs. surely also drs are supposed to help health and want people to be well. doesn't really seem that way here right now. thanks for your help chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no doctor but I know > > that being > > > > overweight > > > > > > can create fatigue. When people loose > > the > > > > excess > > > > > > pounds they always seem to say how much > > energy > > > > that > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is pretty heavy unless > > you are > > > > about 6 feet > > > > > > 4. Maybe if the doctor gives you > > enough > > > > testosterone > > > > > > and Arimidex, your estradiol with be > > down low and > > > > the > > > > > > testorone will give you the energy to > > get the > > > > pounds off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc put me on 1 cc a week > > of > > > > testostone and > > > > > > half a Arimidex 3 times a week. I am > > loosing > > > > weight > > > > > > without really trying. I did cut out > > the extra > > > > > > starches (which I love), and avoid > > extra coke or > > > > > > pepsi. So far it seems to be > > working. Oh, > > > > and > > > > > > the doc said not to eat after 7 pm > > because that > > > > doesn't get > > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 > > 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > Subject: Too > > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a long story short, i > > saw a > > > > rubbish dr > > > > > > today, in the UK regarding my low T > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest test result at 9am, > > 8.3, range > > > > 7.5 - 27 I > > > > > > think. Oestradiol last month was 48, > > range > > > > 50-several > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr said all my prboelms > > were down > > > > to being > > > > > > overweight, all of them. he was very > > rude and > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am 260lbs. my T is 8.3. > > when I was at > > > > 224lbs, > > > > > > my T was 9.2 . When I was at 203lbs, i > > still had > > > > symptoms of > > > > > > fatigue, low mood, sennsitivity to cold > > etc, > > > > inability to > > > > > > build muscle. i am age 31, nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high LDL and > > triglyeride > > > > levels, > > > > > > triglys about 7.5 i think, normal was > > <1.5 , > > > > fasting > > > > > > blood sugar was ok, 5.0, range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, what do you think is > > going > > > > onhere? do you > > > > > > think Low T is causing myh being too > > fat, or the > > > > low T is > > > > > > causing problems? In my late teens > > early 20s i > > > > went impotent > > > > > > for 2 years, couldn't do a thing, no > > morning wood > > > > i think > > > > > > you call it there, nothing, took 2 yrs > > to > > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr would not give me > > anything to > > > > help at > > > > > > first, he would not give metformin, tho > > i gather > > > > this can > > > > > > help with metabolic syndrome which he > > said i had. > > > > he kept > > > > > > going on about orlistat, i do not want > > that > > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just kept saying lose > > weight. i said > > > > how hard > > > > > > it is to exercise, do anything, i am > > weak i said. > > > > he then > > > > > > decided to offer a 3 month of T > > treatment to > > > > boost me he > > > > > > said, 3x monthly injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have been told that if i > > take T now > > > > it will > > > > > > turn into estragen. is this right? in > > which case > > > > I have no > > > > > > hope really do i? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil please can you offer > > some advice > > > > or thoughts > > > > > > on this, what is happening here, is > > this man > > > > talking bs? > > > > > > should i take something like DIM now > > and see if > > > > that helps? > > > > > > I had symptoms even when i slim. when i > > went > > > > impotent in my > > > > > > 20s i was about 155lbs, how can this be > > weight > > > > related > > > > > > unless the Low T's been there ages and > > is now > > > > causing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help i am very > > depressed and > > > > despndent > > > > > > about this i don't know what to do or > > think now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > > message have > > > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 That was my thinking but just did not what to say so. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Too fat? > > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:24 PM > Thanks Phil I think you're right. if > i do feel better and they won't treat me then least i can > buy it from somewhere else, it's pretty cheap here, about > equiv of about 5-6 dollars for 3 weeks worth. given > it's so cheap you'd think they'd be happy to try it esp when > compared to the cost of diabetes drugs for life, potential > heart trouble etc, statins. crazy. it > has been said the drug companies would sooner sell all these > drugs than just prevent it with one cheap thing like T jabs. > surely also drs are supposed to help health and want people > to be well. doesn't really seem that way here right now. > > thanks for your help > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no doctor but > I know > > > that being > > > > > overweight > > > > > > > can create fatigue. When > people loose > > > the > > > > > excess > > > > > > > pounds they always seem to > say how much > > > energy > > > > > that > > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is pretty heavy > unless > > > you are > > > > > about 6 feet > > > > > > > 4. Maybe if the doctor > gives you > > > enough > > > > > testosterone > > > > > > > and Arimidex, your estradiol > with be > > > down low and > > > > > the > > > > > > > testorone will give you the > energy to > > > get the > > > > > pounds off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc put me on 1 > cc a week > > > of > > > > > testostone and > > > > > > > half a Arimidex 3 times a > week. I am > > > loosing > > > > > weight > > > > > > > without really trying. I > did cut out > > > the extra > > > > > > > starches (which I love), and > avoid > > > extra coke or > > > > > > > pepsi. So far it seems to > be > > > working. Oh, > > > > > and > > > > > > > the doc said not to eat after > 7 pm > > > because that > > > > > doesn't get > > > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 8 Dec > 2010 > > > 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > > Subject: > Too > > > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a long story > short, i > > > saw a > > > > > rubbish dr > > > > > > > today, in the UK regarding my > low T > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest test result > at 9am, > > > 8.3, range > > > > > 7.5 - 27 I > > > > > > > think. Oestradiol last month > was 48, > > > range > > > > > 50-several > > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr said all my > prboelms > > > were down > > > > > to being > > > > > > > overweight, all of them. he > was very > > > rude and > > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am 260lbs. my T > is 8.3. > > > when I was at > > > > > 224lbs, > > > > > > > my T was 9.2 . When I was at > 203lbs, i > > > still had > > > > > symptoms of > > > > > > > fatigue, low mood, > sennsitivity to cold > > > etc, > > > > > inability to > > > > > > > build muscle. i am age 31, > nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high > LDL and > > > triglyeride > > > > > levels, > > > > > > > triglys about 7.5 i think, > normal was > > > <1.5 , > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > blood sugar was ok, 5.0, > range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, what do you > think is > > > going > > > > > onhere? do you > > > > > > > think Low T is causing myh > being too > > > fat, or the > > > > > low T is > > > > > > > causing problems? In my late > teens > > > early 20s i > > > > > went impotent > > > > > > > for 2 years, couldn't do a > thing, no > > > morning wood > > > > > i think > > > > > > > you call it there, nothing, > took 2 yrs > > > to > > > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr would not > give me > > > anything to > > > > > help at > > > > > > > first, he would not give > metformin, tho > > > i gather > > > > > this can > > > > > > > help with metabolic syndrome > which he > > > said i had. > > > > > he kept > > > > > > > going on about orlistat, i do > not want > > > that > > > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just kept saying > lose > > > weight. i said > > > > > how hard > > > > > > > it is to exercise, do > anything, i am > > > weak i said. > > > > > he then > > > > > > > decided to offer a 3 month of > T > > > treatment to > > > > > boost me he > > > > > > > said, 3x monthly injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have been told > that if i > > > take T now > > > > > it will > > > > > > > turn into estragen. is this > right? in > > > which case > > > > > I have no > > > > > > > hope really do i? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil please can you > offer > > > some advice > > > > > or thoughts > > > > > > > on this, what is happening > here, is > > > this man > > > > > talking bs? > > > > > > > should i take something like > DIM now > > > and see if > > > > > that helps? > > > > > > > I had symptoms even when i > slim. when i > > > went > > > > > impotent in my > > > > > > > 20s i was about 155lbs, how > can this be > > > weight > > > > > related > > > > > > > unless the Low T's been there > ages and > > > is now > > > > > causing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help i am > very > > > depressed and > > > > > despndent > > > > > > > about this i don't know what > to do or > > > think now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions > of this > > > message have > > > > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 Hi Phil I got an injection yesterday morning of sustenon 250. after the injection i felt a lot more irritable in the morning but this wore off. i now feel tired and depressed. it may be that i have a virus (just getting over a cold), or it may be something to do with the cold. despite my low T, i used to get nighttime and morning wood i think you call it but after the inejction, i didn't get any last night, nor this morning-nothing!. my T levels were 8.8 - range 7-27 nmol/L. I have been told I have metabolic syndrome, with very high cholesterol levels. what might be going on here? Do you think the T might have worn off and the rest of it not kicked in yet? Or could it be taht taking T has revealed another condition, perhaps hypothyroid? I realise it's only 1 day into therapy but i feel dreadful, much worse than i did before the jab. My last Thyroid test was tsh 0.67, free t4 14.5 (range 12-22 pmol/l), free t3 5.7 (4.0-6.8). i cannot make sense of those thyroid results, do they look ok to you? i wonder why t4 is low normal but t3 is midrange. is that normal? Grateful for any insight or thoughts you can offer as to what's happening thanks chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no doctor but > > I know > > > > that being > > > > > > overweight > > > > > > > > can create fatigue. When > > people loose > > > > the > > > > > > excess > > > > > > > > pounds they always seem to > > say how much > > > > energy > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is pretty heavy > > unless > > > > you are > > > > > > about 6 feet > > > > > > > > 4. Maybe if the doctor > > gives you > > > > enough > > > > > > testosterone > > > > > > > > and Arimidex, your estradiol > > with be > > > > down low and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > testorone will give you the > > energy to > > > > get the > > > > > > pounds off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc put me on 1 > > cc a week > > > > of > > > > > > testostone and > > > > > > > > half a Arimidex 3 times a > > week. I am > > > > loosing > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > without really trying. I > > did cut out > > > > the extra > > > > > > > > starches (which I love), and > > avoid > > > > extra coke or > > > > > > > > pepsi. So far it seems to > > be > > > > working. Oh, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the doc said not to eat after > > 7 pm > > > > because that > > > > > > doesn't get > > > > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 8 Dec > > 2010 > > > > 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > Too > > > > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a long story > > short, i > > > > saw a > > > > > > rubbish dr > > > > > > > > today, in the UK regarding my > > low T > > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest test result > > at 9am, > > > > 8.3, range > > > > > > 7.5 - 27 I > > > > > > > > think. Oestradiol last month > > was 48, > > > > range > > > > > > 50-several > > > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr said all my > > prboelms > > > > were down > > > > > > to being > > > > > > > > overweight, all of them. he > > was very > > > > rude and > > > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am 260lbs. my T > > is 8.3. > > > > when I was at > > > > > > 224lbs, > > > > > > > > my T was 9.2 . When I was at > > 203lbs, i > > > > still had > > > > > > symptoms of > > > > > > > > fatigue, low mood, > > sennsitivity to cold > > > > etc, > > > > > > inability to > > > > > > > > build muscle. i am age 31, > > nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very high > > LDL and > > > > triglyeride > > > > > > levels, > > > > > > > > triglys about 7.5 i think, > > normal was > > > > <1.5 , > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > blood sugar was ok, 5.0, > > range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, what do you > > think is > > > > going > > > > > > onhere? do you > > > > > > > > think Low T is causing myh > > being too > > > > fat, or the > > > > > > low T is > > > > > > > > causing problems? In my late > > teens > > > > early 20s i > > > > > > went impotent > > > > > > > > for 2 years, couldn't do a > > thing, no > > > > morning wood > > > > > > i think > > > > > > > > you call it there, nothing, > > took 2 yrs > > > > to > > > > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr would not > > give me > > > > anything to > > > > > > help at > > > > > > > > first, he would not give > > metformin, tho > > > > i gather > > > > > > this can > > > > > > > > help with metabolic syndrome > > which he > > > > said i had. > > > > > > he kept > > > > > > > > going on about orlistat, i do > > not want > > > > that > > > > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just kept saying > > lose > > > > weight. i said > > > > > > how hard > > > > > > > > it is to exercise, do > > anything, i am > > > > weak i said. > > > > > > he then > > > > > > > > decided to offer a 3 month of > > T > > > > treatment to > > > > > > boost me he > > > > > > > > said, 3x monthly injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have been told > > that if i > > > > take T now > > > > > > it will > > > > > > > > turn into estragen. is this > > right? in > > > > which case > > > > > > I have no > > > > > > > > hope really do i? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil please can you > > offer > > > > some advice > > > > > > or thoughts > > > > > > > > on this, what is happening > > here, is > > > > this man > > > > > > talking bs? > > > > > > > > should i take something like > > DIM now > > > > and see if > > > > > > that helps? > > > > > > > > I had symptoms even when i > > slim. when i > > > > went > > > > > > impotent in my > > > > > > > > 20s i was about 155lbs, how > > can this be > > > > weight > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > unless the Low T's been there > > ages and > > > > is now > > > > > > causing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help i am > > very > > > > depressed and > > > > > > despndent > > > > > > > > about this i don't know what > > to do or > > > > think now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions > > of this > > > > message have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 Many things happen after ones first shot some feel nothing others feel better and others feel like your feeling. It's the change in your hormones and until your body adjusts to the new levels and stablizs to them you can feel off. Most shots are not peaking until 3 days the shot your doing is a mix of 4 testosterone esters some very fast acting the rest slow. So this can be why you felt the way you did but it's only going to get better as your levels come up your body starts to undo any damage done from having low T and little by little you feel better and better. Here is a but and paste from this link it's a link for women becoming men but has dam good info in it and about starting on T meds. http://www.ftmguide.org/ttypes.html#cypionate =================================================== " Sustanon 250 " contains four testosterone esters: testosterone propionate (C22H32O3), testosterone phenylpropionate (C28H36O3), testosterone isocaproate (C25H3803), and testosterone decanoate (C29H4603). Both formulas feature fast-acting and slow-acting esters, and can be injected anywhere from once every week to once every four weeks. Sustanon is prescribed outside of the United States. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Too fat? > > Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 9:38 AM > Hi Phil > > I got an injection yesterday morning of sustenon 250. > after the injection i felt a lot more irritable in the > morning but this wore off. > > i now feel tired and depressed. it may be that i have > a virus (just getting over a cold), or it may be something > to do with the cold. > > despite my low T, i used to get nighttime and morning wood > i think you call it but after the inejction, i didn't get > any last night, nor this morning-nothing!. my T levels > were 8.8 - range 7-27 nmol/L. I have been told I have > metabolic syndrome, with very high cholesterol levels. > > what might be going on here? Do you think the T might > have worn off and the rest of it not kicked in yet? Or > could it be taht taking T has revealed another condition, > perhaps hypothyroid? I realise it's only 1 day into > therapy but i feel dreadful, much worse than i did before > the jab. My last Thyroid test was tsh 0.67, free t4 > 14.5 (range 12-22 pmol/l), free t3 5.7 (4.0-6.8). i > cannot make sense of those thyroid results, do they look ok > to you? i wonder why t4 is low normal but t3 is > midrange. is that normal? > > Grateful for any insight or thoughts you can offer as to > what's happening > > thanks > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no > doctor but > > > I know > > > > > that being > > > > > > > overweight > > > > > > > > > can create > fatigue. When > > > people loose > > > > > the > > > > > > > excess > > > > > > > > > pounds they always > seem to > > > say how much > > > > > energy > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is > pretty heavy > > > unless > > > > > you are > > > > > > > about 6 feet > > > > > > > > > 4. Maybe if the > doctor > > > gives you > > > > > enough > > > > > > > testosterone > > > > > > > > > and Arimidex, your > estradiol > > > with be > > > > > down low and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > testorone will give > you the > > > energy to > > > > > get the > > > > > > > pounds off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc > put me on 1 > > > cc a week > > > > > of > > > > > > > testostone and > > > > > > > > > half a Arimidex 3 > times a > > > week. I am > > > > > loosing > > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > > without really > trying. I > > > did cut out > > > > > the extra > > > > > > > > > starches (which I > love), and > > > avoid > > > > > extra coke or > > > > > > > > > pepsi. So far it > seems to > > > be > > > > > working. Oh, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the doc said not to > eat after > > > 7 pm > > > > > because that > > > > > > > doesn't get > > > > > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > Wed, 8 Dec > > > 2010 > > > > > 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > Too > > > > > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a > long story > > > short, i > > > > > saw a > > > > > > > rubbish dr > > > > > > > > > today, in the UK > regarding my > > > low T > > > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest > test result > > > at 9am, > > > > > 8.3, range > > > > > > > 7.5 - 27 I > > > > > > > > > think. Oestradiol > last month > > > was 48, > > > > > range > > > > > > > 50-several > > > > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > said all my > > > prboelms > > > > > were down > > > > > > > to being > > > > > > > > > overweight, all of > them. he > > > was very > > > > > rude and > > > > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am > 260lbs. my T > > > is 8.3. > > > > > when I was at > > > > > > > 224lbs, > > > > > > > > > my T was 9.2 . When > I was at > > > 203lbs, i > > > > > still had > > > > > > > symptoms of > > > > > > > > > fatigue, low mood, > > > sennsitivity to cold > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > inability to > > > > > > > > > build muscle. i am > age 31, > > > nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have > very high > > > LDL and > > > > > triglyeride > > > > > > > levels, > > > > > > > > > triglys about 7.5 i > think, > > > normal was > > > > > <1.5 , > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > blood sugar was ok, > 5.0, > > > range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > what do you > > > think is > > > > > going > > > > > > > onhere? do you > > > > > > > > > think Low T is > causing myh > > > being too > > > > > fat, or the > > > > > > > low T is > > > > > > > > > causing problems? > In my late > > > teens > > > > > early 20s i > > > > > > > went impotent > > > > > > > > > for 2 years, > couldn't do a > > > thing, no > > > > > morning wood > > > > > > > i think > > > > > > > > > you call it there, > nothing, > > > took 2 yrs > > > > > to > > > > > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > would not > > > give me > > > > > anything to > > > > > > > help at > > > > > > > > > first, he would not > give > > > metformin, tho > > > > > i gather > > > > > > > this can > > > > > > > > > help with metabolic > syndrome > > > which he > > > > > said i had. > > > > > > > he kept > > > > > > > > > going on about > orlistat, i do > > > not want > > > > > that > > > > > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just > kept saying > > > lose > > > > > weight. i said > > > > > > > how hard > > > > > > > > > it is to exercise, > do > > > anything, i am > > > > > weak i said. > > > > > > > he then > > > > > > > > > decided to offer a > 3 month of > > > T > > > > > treatment to > > > > > > > boost me he > > > > > > > > > said, 3x monthly > injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > been told > > > that if i > > > > > take T now > > > > > > > it will > > > > > > > > > turn into estragen. > is this > > > right? in > > > > > which case > > > > > > > I have no > > > > > > > > > hope really do i? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > please can you > > > offer > > > > > some advice > > > > > > > or thoughts > > > > > > > > > on this, what is > happening > > > here, is > > > > > this man > > > > > > > talking bs? > > > > > > > > > should i take > something like > > > DIM now > > > > > and see if > > > > > > > that helps? > > > > > > > > > I had symptoms even > when i > > > slim. when i > > > > > went > > > > > > > impotent in my > > > > > > > > > 20s i was about > 155lbs, how > > > can this be > > > > > weight > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > unless the Low T's > been there > > > ages and > > > > > is now > > > > > > > causing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please > help i am > > > very > > > > > depressed and > > > > > > > despndent > > > > > > > > > about this i don't > know what > > > to do or > > > > > think now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text > portions > > > of this > > > > > message have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 Phil Thanks for your reply. well this fatigue is crazy, feel like i've been hit with a real bad virus or something. maybe it's not the T shot - could be a coincidence. i will have to see how i go in time. is it a good idea to take DHEA too? i hope you have a good Christmas thanks Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no > > doctor but > > > > I know > > > > > > that being > > > > > > > > overweight > > > > > > > > > > can create > > fatigue. When > > > > people loose > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > excess > > > > > > > > > > pounds they always > > seem to > > > > say how much > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is > > pretty heavy > > > > unless > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > about 6 feet > > > > > > > > > > 4. Maybe if the > > doctor > > > > gives you > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > testosterone > > > > > > > > > > and Arimidex, your > > estradiol > > > > with be > > > > > > down low and > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > testorone will give > > you the > > > > energy to > > > > > > get the > > > > > > > > pounds off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc > > put me on 1 > > > > cc a week > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > testostone and > > > > > > > > > > half a Arimidex 3 > > times a > > > > week. I am > > > > > > loosing > > > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > > > without really > > trying. I > > > > did cut out > > > > > > the extra > > > > > > > > > > starches (which I > > love), and > > > > avoid > > > > > > extra coke or > > > > > > > > > > pepsi. So far it > > seems to > > > > be > > > > > > working. Oh, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the doc said not to > > eat after > > > > 7 pm > > > > > > because that > > > > > > > > doesn't get > > > > > > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > Wed, 8 Dec > > > > 2010 > > > > > > 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > Too > > > > > > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a > > long story > > > > short, i > > > > > > saw a > > > > > > > > rubbish dr > > > > > > > > > > today, in the UK > > regarding my > > > > low T > > > > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest > > test result > > > > at 9am, > > > > > > 8.3, range > > > > > > > > 7.5 - 27 I > > > > > > > > > > think. Oestradiol > > last month > > > > was 48, > > > > > > range > > > > > > > > 50-several > > > > > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > said all my > > > > prboelms > > > > > > were down > > > > > > > > to being > > > > > > > > > > overweight, all of > > them. he > > > > was very > > > > > > rude and > > > > > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am > > 260lbs. my T > > > > is 8.3. > > > > > > when I was at > > > > > > > > 224lbs, > > > > > > > > > > my T was 9.2 . When > > I was at > > > > 203lbs, i > > > > > > still had > > > > > > > > symptoms of > > > > > > > > > > fatigue, low mood, > > > > sennsitivity to cold > > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > inability to > > > > > > > > > > build muscle. i am > > age 31, > > > > nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have > > very high > > > > LDL and > > > > > > triglyeride > > > > > > > > levels, > > > > > > > > > > triglys about 7.5 i > > think, > > > > normal was > > > > > > <1.5 , > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > blood sugar was ok, > > 5.0, > > > > range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > what do you > > > > think is > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > onhere? do you > > > > > > > > > > think Low T is > > causing myh > > > > being too > > > > > > fat, or the > > > > > > > > low T is > > > > > > > > > > causing problems? > > In my late > > > > teens > > > > > > early 20s i > > > > > > > > went impotent > > > > > > > > > > for 2 years, > > couldn't do a > > > > thing, no > > > > > > morning wood > > > > > > > > i think > > > > > > > > > > you call it there, > > nothing, > > > > took 2 yrs > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > would not > > > > give me > > > > > > anything to > > > > > > > > help at > > > > > > > > > > first, he would not > > give > > > > metformin, tho > > > > > > i gather > > > > > > > > this can > > > > > > > > > > help with metabolic > > syndrome > > > > which he > > > > > > said i had. > > > > > > > > he kept > > > > > > > > > > going on about > > orlistat, i do > > > > not want > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just > > kept saying > > > > lose > > > > > > weight. i said > > > > > > > > how hard > > > > > > > > > > it is to exercise, > > do > > > > anything, i am > > > > > > weak i said. > > > > > > > > he then > > > > > > > > > > decided to offer a > > 3 month of > > > > T > > > > > > treatment to > > > > > > > > boost me he > > > > > > > > > > said, 3x monthly > > injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > been told > > > > that if i > > > > > > take T now > > > > > > > > it will > > > > > > > > > > turn into estragen. > > is this > > > > right? in > > > > > > which case > > > > > > > > I have no > > > > > > > > > > hope really do i? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > please can you > > > > offer > > > > > > some advice > > > > > > > > or thoughts > > > > > > > > > > on this, what is > > happening > > > > here, is > > > > > > this man > > > > > > > > talking bs? > > > > > > > > > > should i take > > something like > > > > DIM now > > > > > > and see if > > > > > > > > that helps? > > > > > > > > > > I had symptoms even > > when i > > > > slim. when i > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > impotent in my > > > > > > > > > > 20s i was about > > 155lbs, how > > > > can this be > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > unless the Low T's > > been there > > > > ages and > > > > > > is now > > > > > > > > causing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please > > help i am > > > > very > > > > > > depressed and > > > > > > > > despndent > > > > > > > > > > about this i don't > > know what > > > > to do or > > > > > > think now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text > > portions > > > > of this > > > > > > message have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 You could be getting sick I hope not no don't do DHEA unless you test it first and find your low. If your low I would try Life Flo Health, Organic Living, Pregnenolone cream first it will convert down into other hormones you need like DHEA and Cortisol then do labs after about 8 weeks if your DHEA is still low try there DHEA cream. http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Organic-Living-Pregnenolone-2-oz-57-g/15119\ ?at=0 Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Too fat? > > Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 11:57 AM > Phil > > Thanks for your reply. > > well this fatigue is crazy, feel like i've been hit with a > real bad virus or something. maybe it's not the T shot > - could be a coincidence. i will have to see how i go > in time. > > is it a good idea to take DHEA too? > > i hope you have a good Christmas > > thanks > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no > > > doctor but > > > > > I know > > > > > > > that being > > > > > > > > > overweight > > > > > > > > > > > can > create > > > fatigue. When > > > > > people loose > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > excess > > > > > > > > > > > pounds > they always > > > seem to > > > > > say how much > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is > > > pretty heavy > > > > > unless > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > about 6 feet > > > > > > > > > > > 4. > Maybe if the > > > doctor > > > > > gives you > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > testosterone > > > > > > > > > > > and > Arimidex, your > > > estradiol > > > > > with be > > > > > > > down low and > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > testorone > will give > > > you the > > > > > energy to > > > > > > > get the > > > > > > > > > pounds off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc > > > put me on 1 > > > > > cc a week > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > testostone and > > > > > > > > > > > half a > Arimidex 3 > > > times a > > > > > week. I am > > > > > > > loosing > > > > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > > > > without > really > > > trying. I > > > > > did cut out > > > > > > > the extra > > > > > > > > > > > starches > (which I > > > love), and > > > > > avoid > > > > > > > extra coke or > > > > > > > > > > > pepsi. > So far it > > > seems to > > > > > be > > > > > > > working. Oh, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the doc > said not to > > > eat after > > > > > 7 pm > > > > > > > because that > > > > > > > > > doesn't get > > > > > > > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > Wed, 8 Dec > > > > > 2010 > > > > > > > 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > Too > > > > > > > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a > > > long story > > > > > short, i > > > > > > > saw a > > > > > > > > > rubbish dr > > > > > > > > > > > today, in > the UK > > > regarding my > > > > > low T > > > > > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest > > > test result > > > > > at 9am, > > > > > > > 8.3, range > > > > > > > > > 7.5 - 27 I > > > > > > > > > > > think. > Oestradiol > > > last month > > > > > was 48, > > > > > > > range > > > > > > > > > 50-several > > > > > > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > said all my > > > > > prboelms > > > > > > > were down > > > > > > > > > to being > > > > > > > > > > > > overweight, all of > > > them. he > > > > > was very > > > > > > > rude and > > > > > > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am > > > 260lbs. my T > > > > > is 8.3. > > > > > > > when I was at > > > > > > > > > 224lbs, > > > > > > > > > > > my T was > 9.2 . When > > > I was at > > > > > 203lbs, i > > > > > > > still had > > > > > > > > > symptoms of > > > > > > > > > > > fatigue, > low mood, > > > > > sennsitivity to cold > > > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > > inability to > > > > > > > > > > > build > muscle. i am > > > age 31, > > > > > nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have > > > very high > > > > > LDL and > > > > > > > triglyeride > > > > > > > > > levels, > > > > > > > > > > > triglys > about 7.5 i > > > think, > > > > > normal was > > > > > > > <1.5 , > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > blood > sugar was ok, > > > 5.0, > > > > > range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > what do you > > > > > think is > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > onhere? do you > > > > > > > > > > > think Low > T is > > > causing myh > > > > > being too > > > > > > > fat, or the > > > > > > > > > low T is > > > > > > > > > > > causing > problems? > > > In my late > > > > > teens > > > > > > > early 20s i > > > > > > > > > went impotent > > > > > > > > > > > for 2 > years, > > > couldn't do a > > > > > thing, no > > > > > > > morning wood > > > > > > > > > i think > > > > > > > > > > > you call > it there, > > > nothing, > > > > > took 2 yrs > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > would not > > > > > give me > > > > > > > anything to > > > > > > > > > help at > > > > > > > > > > > first, he > would not > > > give > > > > > metformin, tho > > > > > > > i gather > > > > > > > > > this can > > > > > > > > > > > help with > metabolic > > > syndrome > > > > > which he > > > > > > > said i had. > > > > > > > > > he kept > > > > > > > > > > > going on > about > > > orlistat, i do > > > > > not want > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just > > > kept saying > > > > > lose > > > > > > > weight. i said > > > > > > > > > how hard > > > > > > > > > > > it is to > exercise, > > > do > > > > > anything, i am > > > > > > > weak i said. > > > > > > > > > he then > > > > > > > > > > > decided > to offer a > > > 3 month of > > > > > T > > > > > > > treatment to > > > > > > > > > boost me he > > > > > > > > > > > said, 3x > monthly > > > injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > been told > > > > > that if i > > > > > > > take T now > > > > > > > > > it will > > > > > > > > > > > turn into > estragen. > > > is this > > > > > right? in > > > > > > > which case > > > > > > > > > I have no > > > > > > > > > > > hope > really do i? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > please can you > > > > > offer > > > > > > > some advice > > > > > > > > > or thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > on this, > what is > > > happening > > > > > here, is > > > > > > > this man > > > > > > > > > talking bs? > > > > > > > > > > > should i > take > > > something like > > > > > DIM now > > > > > > > and see if > > > > > > > > > that helps? > > > > > > > > > > > I had > symptoms even > > > when i > > > > > slim. when i > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > impotent in my > > > > > > > > > > > 20s i was > about > > > 155lbs, how > > > > > can this be > > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > unless > the Low T's > > > been there > > > > > ages and > > > > > > > is now > > > > > > > > > causing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please > > > help i am > > > > > very > > > > > > > depressed and > > > > > > > > > despndent > > > > > > > > > > > about > this i don't > > > know what > > > > > to do or > > > > > > > think now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text > > > portions > > > > > of this > > > > > > > message have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Hi Phil I am still not feeling well, in fact I'm feeling a lot worse in myself, very depressed, more than i've been in years, very fatigued, no 'wood'. What could be going on here? I had the T jab on last thursday, it was one jab of sustenon 250. could it be that i have too high estrogen levels? i have been taking the zinc and copper you suggested and DIM. any ieas what is happening here? i am worried i'll feel as bad as this for the next 3 weeks until this wears off thanks chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no > > > > doctor but > > > > > > I know > > > > > > > > that being > > > > > > > > > > overweight > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > create > > > > fatigue. When > > > > > > people loose > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > excess > > > > > > > > > > > > pounds > > they always > > > > seem to > > > > > > say how much > > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is > > > > pretty heavy > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > about 6 feet > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. > > Maybe if the > > > > doctor > > > > > > gives you > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > testosterone > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > Arimidex, your > > > > estradiol > > > > > > with be > > > > > > > > down low and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > testorone > > will give > > > > you the > > > > > > energy to > > > > > > > > get the > > > > > > > > > > pounds off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc > > > > put me on 1 > > > > > > cc a week > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > testostone and > > > > > > > > > > > > half a > > Arimidex 3 > > > > times a > > > > > > week. I am > > > > > > > > loosing > > > > > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > really > > > > trying. I > > > > > > did cut out > > > > > > > > the extra > > > > > > > > > > > > starches > > (which I > > > > love), and > > > > > > avoid > > > > > > > > extra coke or > > > > > > > > > > > > pepsi. > > So far it > > > > seems to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > working. Oh, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > the doc > > said not to > > > > eat after > > > > > > 7 pm > > > > > > > > because that > > > > > > > > > > doesn't get > > > > > > > > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > Wed, 8 Dec > > > > > > 2010 > > > > > > > > 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > Too > > > > > > > > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a > > > > long story > > > > > > short, i > > > > > > > > saw a > > > > > > > > > > rubbish dr > > > > > > > > > > > > today, in > > the UK > > > > regarding my > > > > > > low T > > > > > > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest > > > > test result > > > > > > at 9am, > > > > > > > > 8.3, range > > > > > > > > > > 7.5 - 27 I > > > > > > > > > > > > think. > > Oestradiol > > > > last month > > > > > > was 48, > > > > > > > > range > > > > > > > > > > 50-several > > > > > > > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > > said all my > > > > > > prboelms > > > > > > > > were down > > > > > > > > > > to being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overweight, all of > > > > them. he > > > > > > was very > > > > > > > > rude and > > > > > > > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am > > > > 260lbs. my T > > > > > > is 8.3. > > > > > > > > when I was at > > > > > > > > > > 224lbs, > > > > > > > > > > > > my T was > > 9.2 . When > > > > I was at > > > > > > 203lbs, i > > > > > > > > still had > > > > > > > > > > symptoms of > > > > > > > > > > > > fatigue, > > low mood, > > > > > > sennsitivity to cold > > > > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > > > inability to > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > muscle. i am > > > > age 31, > > > > > > nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have > > > > very high > > > > > > LDL and > > > > > > > > triglyeride > > > > > > > > > > levels, > > > > > > > > > > > > triglys > > about 7.5 i > > > > think, > > > > > > normal was > > > > > > > > <1.5 , > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > blood > > sugar was ok, > > > > 5.0, > > > > > > range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > what do you > > > > > > think is > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > onhere? do you > > > > > > > > > > > > think Low > > T is > > > > causing myh > > > > > > being too > > > > > > > > fat, or the > > > > > > > > > > low T is > > > > > > > > > > > > causing > > problems? > > > > In my late > > > > > > teens > > > > > > > > early 20s i > > > > > > > > > > went impotent > > > > > > > > > > > > for 2 > > years, > > > > couldn't do a > > > > > > thing, no > > > > > > > > morning wood > > > > > > > > > > i think > > > > > > > > > > > > you call > > it there, > > > > nothing, > > > > > > took 2 yrs > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > > would not > > > > > > give me > > > > > > > > anything to > > > > > > > > > > help at > > > > > > > > > > > > first, he > > would not > > > > give > > > > > > metformin, tho > > > > > > > > i gather > > > > > > > > > > this can > > > > > > > > > > > > help with > > metabolic > > > > syndrome > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > said i had. > > > > > > > > > > he kept > > > > > > > > > > > > going on > > about > > > > orlistat, i do > > > > > > not want > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just > > > > kept saying > > > > > > lose > > > > > > > > weight. i said > > > > > > > > > > how hard > > > > > > > > > > > > it is to > > exercise, > > > > do > > > > > > anything, i am > > > > > > > > weak i said. > > > > > > > > > > he then > > > > > > > > > > > > decided > > to offer a > > > > 3 month of > > > > > > T > > > > > > > > treatment to > > > > > > > > > > boost me he > > > > > > > > > > > > said, 3x > > monthly > > > > injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > been told > > > > > > that if i > > > > > > > > take T now > > > > > > > > > > it will > > > > > > > > > > > > turn into > > estragen. > > > > is this > > > > > > right? in > > > > > > > > which case > > > > > > > > > > I have no > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > really do i? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > please can you > > > > > > offer > > > > > > > > some advice > > > > > > > > > > or thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > on this, > > what is > > > > happening > > > > > > here, is > > > > > > > > this man > > > > > > > > > > talking bs? > > > > > > > > > > > > should i > > take > > > > something like > > > > > > DIM now > > > > > > > > and see if > > > > > > > > > > that helps? > > > > > > > > > > > > I had > > symptoms even > > > > when i > > > > > > slim. when i > > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > > impotent in my > > > > > > > > > > > > 20s i was > > about > > > > 155lbs, how > > > > > > can this be > > > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > unless > > the Low T's > > > > been there > > > > > > ages and > > > > > > > > is now > > > > > > > > > > causing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please > > > > help i am > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > depressed and > > > > > > > > > > despndent > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > this i don't > > > > know what > > > > > > to do or > > > > > > > > think now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text > > > > portions > > > > > > of this > > > > > > > > message have > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 I am so sorry your feeling bad I am not sure whats going on it may well be your not reacting well to this type of shot. If your feeling worse call your Dr. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Too fat? > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:46 AM > Hi Phil > > I am still not feeling well, in fact I'm feeling a lot > worse in myself, very depressed, more than i've been in > years, very fatigued, no 'wood'. > > What could be going on here? I had the T jab on last > thursday, it was one jab of sustenon 250. > > could it be that i have too high estrogen levels? i > have been taking the zinc and copper you suggested and DIM. > > > any ieas what is happening here? i am worried i'll > feel as bad as this for the next 3 weeks until this wears > off > > thanks > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no > > > > > doctor but > > > > > > > I know > > > > > > > > > that being > > > > > > > > > > > > overweight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > create > > > > > fatigue. When > > > > > > > people loose > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > excess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pounds > > > they always > > > > > seem to > > > > > > > say how much > > > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is > > > > > pretty heavy > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > > about 6 > feet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. > > > Maybe if the > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > gives you > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > testosterone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > Arimidex, your > > > > > estradiol > > > > > > > with be > > > > > > > > > down low and > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testorone > > > will give > > > > > you the > > > > > > > energy to > > > > > > > > > get the > > > > > > > > > > > pounds > off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc > > > > > put me on 1 > > > > > > > cc a week > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > testostone and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half a > > > Arimidex 3 > > > > > times a > > > > > > > week. I am > > > > > > > > > loosing > > > > > > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > really > > > > > trying. I > > > > > > > did cut out > > > > > > > > > the extra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starches > > > (which I > > > > > love), and > > > > > > > avoid > > > > > > > > > extra coke or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pepsi. > > > So far it > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > working. Oh, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the doc > > > said not to > > > > > eat after > > > > > > > 7 pm > > > > > > > > > because that > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > Wed, 8 Dec > > > > > > > 2010 > > > > > > > > > 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > Too > > > > > > > > > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a > > > > > long story > > > > > > > short, i > > > > > > > > > saw a > > > > > > > > > > > rubbish > dr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > today, in > > > the UK > > > > > regarding my > > > > > > > low T > > > > > > > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest > > > > > test result > > > > > > > at 9am, > > > > > > > > > 8.3, range > > > > > > > > > > > 7.5 - 27 > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think. > > > Oestradiol > > > > > last month > > > > > > > was 48, > > > > > > > > > range > > > > > > > > > > > > 50-several > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > > > said all my > > > > > > > prboelms > > > > > > > > > were down > > > > > > > > > > > to being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overweight, all of > > > > > them. he > > > > > > > was very > > > > > > > > > rude and > > > > > > > > > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am > > > > > 260lbs. my T > > > > > > > is 8.3. > > > > > > > > > when I was at > > > > > > > > > > > 224lbs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my T was > > > 9.2 . When > > > > > I was at > > > > > > > 203lbs, i > > > > > > > > > still had > > > > > > > > > > > symptoms > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fatigue, > > > low mood, > > > > > > > sennsitivity to cold > > > > > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > > > > inability > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > > muscle. i am > > > > > age 31, > > > > > > > nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have > > > > > very high > > > > > > > LDL and > > > > > > > > > triglyeride > > > > > > > > > > > levels, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > triglys > > > about 7.5 i > > > > > think, > > > > > > > normal was > > > > > > > > > <1.5 , > > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blood > > > sugar was ok, > > > > > 5.0, > > > > > > > range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > what do you > > > > > > > think is > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > onhere? > do you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Low > > > T is > > > > > causing myh > > > > > > > being too > > > > > > > > > fat, or the > > > > > > > > > > > low T is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > causing > > > problems? > > > > > In my late > > > > > > > teens > > > > > > > > > early 20s i > > > > > > > > > > > went > impotent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 2 > > > years, > > > > > couldn't do a > > > > > > > thing, no > > > > > > > > > morning wood > > > > > > > > > > > i think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you call > > > it there, > > > > > nothing, > > > > > > > took 2 yrs > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > > > would not > > > > > > > give me > > > > > > > > > anything to > > > > > > > > > > > help at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first, he > > > would not > > > > > give > > > > > > > metformin, tho > > > > > > > > > i gather > > > > > > > > > > > this can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help with > > > metabolic > > > > > syndrome > > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > said i had. > > > > > > > > > > > he kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going on > > > about > > > > > orlistat, i do > > > > > > > not want > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just > > > > > kept saying > > > > > > > lose > > > > > > > > > weight. i said > > > > > > > > > > > how hard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is to > > > exercise, > > > > > do > > > > > > > anything, i am > > > > > > > > > weak i said. > > > > > > > > > > > he then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decided > > > to offer a > > > > > 3 month of > > > > > > > T > > > > > > > > > treatment to > > > > > > > > > > > boost me > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said, 3x > > > monthly > > > > > injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > been told > > > > > > > that if i > > > > > > > > > take T now > > > > > > > > > > > it will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turn into > > > estragen. > > > > > is this > > > > > > > right? 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Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 ok wil do. have no idea what he'll say except ' i told you so' (he was against the T injection but another dr said it'd be ok) nothing's easy is it. thanks Phil chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no > > > > > > doctor but > > > > > > > > I know > > > > > > > > > > that being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overweight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > create > > > > > > fatigue. When > > > > > > > > people loose > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > excess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pounds > > > > they always > > > > > > seem to > > > > > > > > say how much > > > > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is > > > > > > pretty heavy > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > > > about 6 > > feet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. > > > > Maybe if the > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > gives you > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testosterone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > Arimidex, your > > > > > > estradiol > > > > > > > > with be > > > > > > > > > > down low and > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testorone > > > > will give > > > > > > you the > > > > > > > > energy to > > > > > > > > > > get the > > > > > > > > > > > > pounds > > off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc > > > > > > put me on 1 > > > > > > > > cc a week > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testostone and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half a > > > > Arimidex 3 > > > > > > times a > > > > > > > > week. I am > > > > > > > > > > loosing > > > > > > > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > really > > > > > > trying. I > > > > > > > > did cut out > > > > > > > > > > the extra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starches > > > > (which I > > > > > > love), and > > > > > > > > avoid > > > > > > > > > > extra coke or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pepsi. > > > > So far it > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > working. Oh, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the doc > > > > said not to > > > > > > eat after > > > > > > > > 7 pm > > > > > > > > > > because that > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > Wed, 8 Dec > > > > > > > > 2010 > > > > > > > > > > 23:03:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > Too > > > > > > > > > > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a > > > > > > long story > > > > > > > > short, i > > > > > > > > > > saw a > > > > > > > > > > > > rubbish > > dr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > today, in > > > > the UK > > > > > > regarding my > > > > > > > > low T > > > > > > > > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest > > > > > > test result > > > > > > > > at 9am, > > > > > > > > > > 8.3, range > > > > > > > > > > > > 7.5 - 27 > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think. > > > > Oestradiol > > > > > > last month > > > > > > > > was 48, > > > > > > > > > > range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 50-several > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > > > > said all my > > > > > > > > prboelms > > > > > > > > > > were down > > > > > > > > > > > > to being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overweight, all of > > > > > > them. he > > > > > > > > was very > > > > > > > > > > rude and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am > > > > > > 260lbs. my T > > > > > > > > is 8.3. > > > > > > > > > > when I was at > > > > > > > > > > > > 224lbs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my T was > > > > 9.2 . When > > > > > > I was at > > > > > > > > 203lbs, i > > > > > > > > > > still had > > > > > > > > > > > > symptoms > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fatigue, > > > > low mood, > > > > > > > > sennsitivity to cold > > > > > > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > > > > > inability > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > > > muscle. i am > > > > > > age 31, > > > > > > > > nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have > > > > > > very high > > > > > > > > LDL and > > > > > > > > > > triglyeride > > > > > > > > > > > > levels, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > triglys > > > > about 7.5 i > > > > > > think, > > > > > > > > normal was > > > > > > > > > > <1.5 , > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blood > > > > sugar was ok, > > > > > > 5.0, > > > > > > > > range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > what do you > > > > > > > > think is > > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > > onhere? > > do you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Low > > > > T is > > > > > > causing myh > > > > > > > > being too > > > > > > > > > > fat, or the > > > > > > > > > > > > low T is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > causing > > > > problems? > > > > > > In my late > > > > > > > > teens > > > > > > > > > > early 20s i > > > > > > > > > > > > went > > impotent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 2 > > > > years, > > > > > > couldn't do a > > > > > > > > thing, no > > > > > > > > > > morning wood > > > > > > > > > > > > i think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you call > > > > it there, > > > > > > nothing, > > > > > > > > took 2 yrs > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > recover. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > > > > would not > > > > > > > > give me > > > > > > > > > > anything to > > > > > > > > > > > > help at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first, he > > > > would not > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > metformin, tho > > > > > > > > > > i gather > > > > > > > > > > > > this can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help with > > > > metabolic > > > > > > syndrome > > > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > > said i had. > > > > > > > > > > > > he kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going on > > > > about > > > > > > orlistat, i do > > > > > > > > not want > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > rubbish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he just > > > > > > kept saying > > > > > > > > lose > > > > > > > > > > weight. i said > > > > > > > > > > > > how hard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is to > > > > exercise, > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > anything, i am > > > > > > > > > > weak i said. > > > > > > > > > > > > he then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decided > > > > to offer a > > > > > > 3 month of > > > > > > > > T > > > > > > > > > > treatment to > > > > > > > > > > > > boost me > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said, 3x > > > > monthly > > > > > > injections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > been told > > > > > > > > that if i > > > > > > > > > > take T now > > > > > > > > > > > > it will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turn into > > > > estragen. > > > > > > is this > > > > > > > > right? 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Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 It's not the end of the world there are other ways to do TRT that can work for you. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Too fat? > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:32 PM > ok wil do. have no idea what he'll > say except ' i told you so' (he was against the T injection > but another dr said it'd be ok) > > nothing's easy is it. > > thanks Phil > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no > > > > > > > doctor but > > > > > > > > > I know > > > > > > > > > > > that > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overweight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > create > > > > > > > fatigue. When > > > > > > > > > people loose > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > excess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pounds > > > > > they always > > > > > > > seem to > > > > > > > > > say how much > > > > > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 230 is > > > > > > > pretty heavy > > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about 6 > > > feet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. > > > > > Maybe if the > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > gives you > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testosterone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > Arimidex, your > > > > > > > estradiol > > > > > > > > > with be > > > > > > > > > > > down low > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testorone > > > > > will give > > > > > > > you the > > > > > > > > > energy to > > > > > > > > > > > get the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pounds > > > off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doc > > > > > > > put me on 1 > > > > > > > > > cc a week > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testostone and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half a > > > > > Arimidex 3 > > > > > > > times a > > > > > > > > > week. I am > > > > > > > > > > > loosing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > really > > > > > > > trying. I > > > > > > > > > did cut out > > > > > > > > > > > the > extra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starches > > > > > (which I > > > > > > > love), and > > > > > > > > > avoid > > > > > > > > > > > extra > coke or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pepsi. > > > > > So far it > > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > working. Oh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the doc > > > > > said not to > > > > > > > eat after > > > > > > > > > 7 pm > > > > > > > > > > > because > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > burned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > chrisjtaylor46@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > Wed, 8 Dec > > > > > > > > > 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > 23:03:12 > +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > Too > > > > > > > > > > > fat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to cut a > > > > > > > long story > > > > > > > > > short, i > > > > > > > > > > > saw a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rubbish > > > dr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > today, in > > > > > the UK > > > > > > > regarding my > > > > > > > > > low T > > > > > > > > > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest > > > > > > > test result > > > > > > > > > at 9am, > > > > > > > > > > > 8.3, > range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7.5 - 27 > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think. > > > > > Oestradiol > > > > > > > last month > > > > > > > > > was 48, > > > > > > > > > > > range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 50-several > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hundred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this dr > > > > > > > said all my > > > > > > > > > prboelms > > > > > > > > > > > were > down > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overweight, all of > > > > > > > them. he > > > > > > > > > was very > > > > > > > > > > > rude and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unpleaant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am > > > > > > > 260lbs. my T > > > > > > > > > is 8.3. > > > > > > > > > > > when I > was at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 224lbs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my T was > > > > > 9.2 . When > > > > > > > I was at > > > > > > > > > 203lbs, i > > > > > > > > > > > still > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > symptoms > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fatigue, > > > > > low mood, > > > > > > > > > sennsitivity to > cold > > > > > > > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inability > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > > > > muscle. i am > > > > > > > age 31, > > > > > > > > > nearly 32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have > > > > > > > very high > > > > > > > > > LDL and > > > > > > > > > > > > triglyeride > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > triglys > > > > > about 7.5 i > > > > > > > think, > > > > > > > > > normal was > > > > > > > > > > > <1.5 > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blood > > > > > sugar was ok, > > > > > > > 5.0, > > > > > > > > > range <6.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > > what do you > > > > > > > > > think is > > > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > onhere? 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Guest guest Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 This is good news your not having a reaction to the shot. What is going on is things are being fixed and your body just needs to adjust to this. Your going to feel some changes that will come and go from being in the extreme. And as you get leveled off your not going to see them swings. And as your levels go up and level off your body will undo any damage done by having low T. Just roll with it and give it some time. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Too fat? > > Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 6:30 AM > Hi Phil > > firstly, let me wish you and everyone else on here a happy > new year. > > can i get your opinion on this please? > > ok so a few days ago i posted to say i was feeling pretty > bad. i have now gone the other way, too much 'wood', > desire etc. it is distracting me from day to day > things and i feel different as a person in myself. > > I have lost about 5 pounds in just over aweek, though > have lost my appetite pretty much. i am eating but not > sure why my appetite would just go? unless my bodys able to > breakdown fat more? > > just to remind you, i had one sustenon 250 jab about 9 days > ago. > > > do you think this will pass as my body gets used to the T, > or do you think that's just the nature of sustenon that > it'll give high levels for some people? > > grateful for any thoughts you had on this. could the > T have made me go hyperthyroid do you think or stressing > adrenals, or just not used to this much T in my body? > > thanks > > chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Phil Thanks for your reply Does Testosterone sometimes need adrenal support too? I felt bad again today, i actually think it might be a food allergy since i ate the same foods both today and yesterday morning, and as the days gone on i've felt better although very tired now. i will have to see thanks chris > > > > This is good news your not having a reaction to the shot. What is going on is things are being fixed and your body just needs to adjust to this. Your going to feel some changes that will come and go from being in the extreme. And as you get leveled off your not going to see them swings. > > And as your levels go up and level off your body will undo any damage done by having low T. Just roll with it and give it some time. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Some men with low T the stress of having it for so long and not treating it can over work your Adrenals and they need to be treated. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat/ Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Too fat? > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 2:59 PM > Phil > > Thanks for your reply > > Does Testosterone sometimes need adrenal support too? > > I felt bad again today, i actually think it might be a food > allergy since i ate the same foods both today and yesterday > morning, and as the days gone on i've felt better although > very tired now. i will have to see > > thanks > > chris > > > > > > > > > > This is good news your not having a reaction to the > shot. What is going on is things are being fixed and > your body just needs to adjust to this. Your going to > feel some changes that will come and go from being in the > extreme. And as you get leveled off your not going to > see them swings. > > > > And as your levels go up and level off your body will > undo any damage done by having low T. Just roll with > it and give it some time. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 ok thanks, i did have low adrenal function before, took HC for about 18 months until quite recently. saw Dr Peatfield who you mentioned on here once or twice i think to me, he thouht my adrenals weren't good based on saliva tests. chris > > > > > > > > > > > > This is good news your not having a reaction to the > > shot. What is going on is things are being fixed and > > your body just needs to adjust to this. Your going to > > feel some changes that will come and go from being in the > > extreme. And as you get leveled off your not going to > > see them swings. > > > > > > And as your levels go up and level off your body will > > undo any damage done by having low T. Just roll with > > it and give it some time. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 i have almost completely lost my appetite too, gone from having hypoglycemia before the T, to now not having any appetite. not sure if it's to do with low adrenals or just my body sorting itself out - i am about 70lbs overweight. could it be either? > > ok thanks, i did have low adrenal function before, took HC for about 18 months until quite recently. saw Dr Peatfield who you mentioned on here once or twice i think to me, he thouht my adrenals weren't good based on saliva tests. > > chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 He is a great Dr. and knows what he is talking about. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Too fat? > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 3:05 PM > ok thanks, i did have low adrenal > function before, took HC for about 18 months until quite > recently. saw Dr Peatfield who you > mentioned on here once or twice i think to me, he thouht my > adrenals weren't good based on saliva tests. > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is good news your not having a reaction > to the > > > shot. What is going on is things are being > fixed and > > > your body just needs to adjust to this. Your > going to > > > feel some changes that will come and go from > being in the > > > extreme. And as you get leveled off your not > going to > > > see them swings. > > > > > > > > And as your levels go up and level off your > body will > > > undo any damage done by having low T. Just roll > with > > > it and give it some time. > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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