Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

[Guest guest]

I wish you the best, and hope you feel much better soon!

Be sure to report on how it goes.

[Guest guest]

Like you I was fine until recently.

Was doing good for an older guy! LOL

Sex has always been a big part of my life until the last couple of years. Not

bragging, but I lost count at the point of about 60 different females a number

of years ago.

As I have said before,....I can still get it up when it NEEDS to happen, but I

just don't have the interest at all.

You are a much younger guy than me, and I can only imagine how you feel about

this,.......I would have been at my wits end at your age.

I hope for me THAT area improves, but I am more concerned about being able to

continue to function in my trade/business. I could retire as I have done pretty

well for myself, but I really don't wish to sit on my rear all day growing fat

deposits and waiting to go to bed.

We have different issues, but it sucks for both of us!

[Guest guest]

Marc I wish you well on your trip.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 1:59 PM

>

> Dear Group,

>

> I'm leaving tomorrow to see Dr. and my appointment is

> Thursday.

>

> After going to numerous doctors and not getting any help, I

> know I made the right choice by going to see him.

>

> I feel like my hormones are all out of whack after messing

> with TRT and Nolvadex.  Still have ED symptoms,

> fatigue.  My T is high, but my TRT doc didn't test for

> many things i.e. DHT, SBHG, etc. 

>

> I hope he can help me.  I'll post about my trip! 

>

>

> I should have done this a long time ago.

>

> - Marc

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

THX Phil. Your advice is the reason I'm going. Ill tell Dr that too.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 1:59 PM

>

> Dear Group,

>

> I'm leaving tomorrow to see Dr. and my appointment is

> Thursday.

>

> After going to numerous doctors and not getting any help, I

> know I made the right choice by going to see him.

>

> I feel like my hormones are all out of whack after messing

> with TRT and Nolvadex.  Still have ED symptoms,

> fatigue.  My T is high, but my TRT doc didn't test for

> many things i.e. DHT, SBHG, etc. 

>

> I hope he can help me.  I'll post about my trip! 

>

>

> I should have done this a long time ago.

>

> - Marc

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marc,.......I have 22 years on you brother!

I am sure you will surpass my number once you get well. I think it might be

around 75 now, so shoot to beat that by 48! LOL

I have been monogamous to one woman,......that's what us old guys call 'girls'

for the past 6 years. ) First time in my life BTW.

I have lived a wild life per se, and I guess I might be paying for it now. Won't

continue this any more, but will hope that you have a great result from your

visit.

>

>

> Its been rough on me.

>

> I can still get it up but the quality isn't good and libido is gone. Its

tough for this to happen to me at 26. When I was on TRT I could cut steel with

my wood.

>

> But I'm not going to give up.

>

> I lost track at 30 girls, LOL.

>

> I do miss the good old days.

>

> THX for your support. It always helps.

>

> Keep me posted on your labs and such.

>

> Good luck.

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

>

> Like you I was fine until recently.

> Was doing good for an older guy! LOL

>

> Sex has always been a big part of my life until the last couple of years. Not

bragging, but I lost count at the point of about 60 different females a number

of years ago.

>

> As I have said before,....I can still get it up when it NEEDS to happen, but I

just don't have the interest at all.

> You are a much younger guy than me, and I can only imagine how you feel about

this,.......I would have been at my wits end at your age.

>

> I hope for me THAT area improves, but I am more concerned about being able to

continue to function in my trade/business. I could retire as I have done pretty

well for myself, but I really don't wish to sit on my rear all day growing fat

deposits and waiting to go to bed.

>

> We have different issues, but it sucks for both of us!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc. Good luck and please do post about your trip and visit with the doc.

I'm scheduled to see him on 6/17.

>

>

> Dear Group,

>

> I'm leaving tomorrow to see Dr. and my appointment is Thursday.

[Guest guest]

Hi , I'm scheduled to see Dr. on 6/17. Every little adjustment

throws me off too, and I'm on a pile of thyroid meds and supps already, so I'm

really concerned about it changing up too many things at once and crashing hard.

This is some delicate work that we're doing and I, for one, have not managed it

very well on my own but all of the wellness/homeopathic/alternative docs that I

have seen have given me long lists of things to add and change, despite telling

me to go slow, and I've felt awful every time. I'm really hoping for different

with Dr. .

>

> Hey Marc,

>

> How far out did you have to schedule your appointment with Dr. ?

>

> I'm still on the fence about spending the money to go and see Dr. . I

> know it would be worth it, but my resources are running out, and I've

> already spend thousands of dollars seeing other docs. The doc I'm seeing

> now is great, it's just that this doc is a very, very busy person and I'm

> not sure this person has the time to put into his patients (I'm and out of

> town patient) and I'm not sure he knows a lot about adrenal fatigue. With

> my head injuries and adrenal fatigue, I need a doc who can hold my hand

> through the initial phases of treatment because every little adjustment

> really throws me off.

[Guest guest]

Well, I'm finally here at the Hotel in Lansing.

What a great town this is.

The airport is great too.

Well...I am working on my list of questions for Dr. . Don't want to forget

anything important.

For once, I feel emotionally better, just knowing I am going to go see the right

Doctor.

When I get back to the airport tomorrow, I'll def. be posting about my visit.

- Marc

PS: Phil thank you so much for telling me numerous times to go visit him. I

probably would have never gone without your advice. You are truly an asset to

this group and to the many people you have helped over the years.

> >

> > Hey Marc,

> >

> > How far out did you have to schedule your appointment with Dr. ?

> >

> > I'm still on the fence about spending the money to go and see Dr. . I

> > know it would be worth it, but my resources are running out, and I've

> > already spend thousands of dollars seeing other docs. The doc I'm seeing

> > now is great, it's just that this doc is a very, very busy person and I'm

> > not sure this person has the time to put into his patients (I'm and out of

> > town patient) and I'm not sure he knows a lot about adrenal fatigue. With

> > my head injuries and adrenal fatigue, I need a doc who can hold my hand

> > through the initial phases of treatment because every little adjustment

> > really throws me off.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marc,.......I hope things turn out well somehow for you.

If Phil is correct and he gets " damn mad " about a patient saying anything about

what he does to treat them, then he is most likely not for me. I am glad to

learn that tidbit of info.

Does he have you sign a form that you will not speak about your treatment to

another person?

I doubt he has a patent per se on anything,.....plus it's not like one

individual is the same as another anyway. Whatever

[Guest guest]

Marc,.....I didn't mean to start anything.

I am almost twice your age, and I guess my cynicism shows a bit more than a

younger person.

Just get to feeling better, as that is all that matters for your life right now.

[Guest guest]

I am actually glad you replied.

First off I was only reading what Phil said about you getting 'damn mad.'

Is that correct or not?

I was responding to that basic comment when I said 'petty and juvenile.'

My other comment about the 'quack' reference was not an accusation by any means.

I simply said that if you punch up your name it comes back both ways. I don't

know anything about you, nor have I read your 100K internet postings. I have no

doubt that most docs who post on the internet have not been called the same, or

any that go outside of traditional medicine.

It seems I have hit a nerve somewhere that was not intended. Also I believe I

said I understood how one person's treatment has no relevance to

anothers,......correct? You didn't miss that by any chance did you? Since I know

your feelings and the reasons for them now, I would suggest having your patients

sign a non-disclosure form, as it would avoid any issue, or confusion leading to

you getting mad.

As far as me,.....I am probably the most laid back, and kindest person you could

ever meet if you knew me. You decided to take shots at me, and attempt to turn

me into some kind of a jerk.

Why do you think I am here Dr.?

I am here looking for advice to feel better, not to create a hellstorm of

crapola. I am confused about where to turn at this point, plain and simple. If

nothing else I appreciate you telling me that I am not welcome as a patient of

yours.

As far as your 'man up' comment goes,.....I don't get the point of it, but I

would suggest you trying to do what I do for a living feeling the way I do, and

then questioning whether I should 'man up' per se.

Have a nice day Dr. .

>

> As far as " petty " goes, we'll just consider the source of the insult. I

> think my 120,000+ message board posts should free me of such nonsense.

>

>

>

> As far as my being a " quack " goes-there has never been a legitimate claim

> which has held up against me. Only men of very low character venting their

> emotional morbidities. Pick which line you want to stand in, pal.

>

>

>

> I do not want my patients publishing their specific treatments because then

> everyone thinks that is what they should be doing, too. It spreads all over

> the Internet like wildfire. And the variation across the population is so

> great, it would simply not be good were that to happen. Also, sometimes I

> have to do things quite different in order to serve patients with truly

> remarkable cases, such as this particular GENTLEMAN. Some treatments are,

> literally, a one time thing. Either way, we have ot do what we have to do,

> as everyone is an individual, and deserving of a healthy, happy life.

>

>

>

> IF you were my patient-and I highly suspect you would not last long IF you

> were-I would dismiss you from my practice for such ungentlemanly behaviors.

> My patients are all good guys. Make that REALLY good guys.

>

>

>

> Man Up, dude.

>

>

>

>

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Crisler, DO

>

> Anti-Aging Medicine

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[Guest guest]

Marc, I'm sorry to hear that you are discouraged but don't let it get you down

too much. This is the beginning of getting on the right track to start feeling

better right? What are your next steps? Labs and then what?

>

> Well.

>

> Dr said my case is one of the most difficult cases he has seen.

>

> I have slight Gyno.

>

> My body is pretty messed up. He thinks my liver won't metabolize estergen.

>

> I'm really upset about the news.

>

> But he is a great doctor and a nice guy. I should have seen him sooner.

>

> For everyone who is postponing visiting him, don't make the same mistake I

did. Just go and see him.

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, posted this before I saw the discussion about not posting about your

treatment. Forget I asked about that. I do hope that you start feeling better

soon, mentally and emotionally as well as physically.

> Marc, I'm sorry to hear that you are discouraged but don't let it get you down

too much. This is the beginning of getting on the right track to start feeling

better right? What are your next steps? Labs and then what?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have a safe trip Marc.

Sorry for what I seem to have caused BTW.

[Guest guest]

Here is what I am having tested.

24 Hour Urine Panel.

Bloodwork:

Total Testosterone

Test. Free and Weakly Bound # 143255

SHBG

Progesterone

LH

CBC

B-12

Ferritin

FSH

CMP

25(OH)D

This starts a whole new journey in my life. Time to get better.

- Marc M

>

> >

> >

> > Yea.. it's like finding something you've been searching for, someone

> > who " hears " what you're saying and has an answer.

> > I hope you get MUCH better Marc.

> > Bill

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@... <MisterX225%40aol.com>>

> > < %40>

> > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 9:38:02 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> >

> >

> >

> > It was strong as hell. Man Cave Coffee!

> >

> > I'm so happy I saw him. He genuinely cares about his patients. Its rare to

> > find a Doc like him.

> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> >

> > Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> >

> >

> > Marc-

> >

> > It was really nice meeting you finally.

> >

> > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength coffee, eh?

> >

> > Be well!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Crisler, DO

> >

> > Anti-Aging Medicine

> >

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[Guest guest]

Mike, adrenal fatigue is going to be a very important issue for me too. I am

pretty sure that the 24 hr urine is to measure cortisol production. Many

alternative/wellness/etc docs use 4x/day saliva testing for this but I'm pretty

sure that Dr. uses the 24 hour urine which is hopefully even better - I've

done the saliva labs a few times (and always tested low-normal) but never the

urine test.

> >

> >

> > He didn't mention adrenal fatigue to me. But he is a hormone guru.

> >

> > Have you seen him? If not you should.

> >

> > You're right, I can't discuss my treatment because it will be specially

designed for my situation but we don't know what's wrong with me yet either.

> >

> > Got lots of tests I need to do.

> > Good luck buddy.

> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> >

> > Re: Re: Well I'm off to Lansing tomorrow

> >

> > Marc,

> >

> > I know that you're not allowed to discuss any particulars of your

> > treatment. However, can you tell me if Dr. Crisler is familiar with adrenal

> > fatigue and how that incorporates into the other hormones?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Mike

[Guest guest]

Hey Group,

I've been MIA for the most part.

I should have the results my bloodwork and 24 urine test within a week. I am

really curious of what they are going to say.

For those who are unfamliar with my situation. I had great natural T levels,

took TRT for about two weeks, then took Nolvadex to cycle off of it. Then used

TRT for one day.

My erection quality has improved (haven't been on nothing for a while).

I still have some atrophy. Not sure what can be done about that. I don't want

to be on TRT, maybe my system needs a restart, that's all.

Libido is not like it was before I started TRT and Nolva.

Still have some nipples issues. They are small normal size in the mornings, but

through the day, they get larger. Dr. said I have minor gyno. Nothing

serious.

When I talk to Dr. , we'll go over the blood and urine labwork and take it

from there. I won't be able to post my treatment, but I'll post what I can,

just can't disclose my treatment (its the rules).

I hope everyone is doing good on here.

I really think the 24 hour urine panel will give me a lot of answers. I never

had one before, I only had bloodtests in the morning, which had my T is a high

range, yet I still have some problems.

Hey Phil and Mark, I hope you guys are doing good. I plan to be more active on

here again, just been super busy.

Be well, all.

Take Care,

Marc

> >

> > > From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to

> > Lansing tomorrow

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 9:33 PM

> > > Wait a minute here! you didn't

> > > offer me any coffee!

> > > Bill Totten

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: " Crisler, DO " <drjohn@...>

> > >

> > > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 4:06:51 PM

> > > Subject: Re: Re: Well I'm off to

> > Lansing

> > > tomorrow

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc-

> > >

> > > It was really nice meeting you finally.

> > >

> > > Ya, we sure got jacked up on that extra strength

> > coffee,

> > > eh?

> > >

> > > Be well!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Crisler, DO

> > >

> > > Anti-Aging Medicine

> > >

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