Treatment for Low Cortisol- questions and concerns CORTEF???? -Urgent

[Guest guest]

Gentlemen,

     I have all the indications from labs for secondary adrenal insufficiency.  

I need to approach my doctor for treatment.

  Is this something my Primary Care Physician can do or is there someone else

who I should see?  I have had kidney doctors, pain management doctors,

Psychiatrists, and neourologists.  All have seen the labs and understand the

symptoms.  Only the kidney doctor has said to step up the pace with getting

treated. As he is the only doctor who has prioritized getting treated over his

own speciality.

 

I have taken lots of time off from work over the last 5 months trying to get to

the bottom of what has been giving me a severe beatdown.

 My concern is I have immediate need for treatment and I do not have several

months to go through the status quo treatment plan with doctors.   I would have

never found my way without this Group in overcoming severe hypogonadism; and

have lots of apprehension and somewhat anxiety as I approach this.  My gut tells

me you guys are going to have to save me again.

I  would really appreciate insight as to which medicines have worked best.

Particulary how you arrived at a dosage and how you personally understood what

was working for you.

Would those of you are being treated please tell me what to look for and keep an

eye out for.  

Please use laymans terms.  My cognitive skills are declining steadily.

Thanks guys.   This I hope is my last Steeple fence for many years to come.  

This is urgent because this battle is showing me loosing tremendously. 

Highten my understanding, perspective and confidence.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am Secondary by your saying you have " secondary adrenal insufficiency " to me

it means your Pituitary does not send the ACTH message that tells your Adrenals

to make cortisol so you are suffering from Adrenal Insufficiency right.

I had a very hard time getting my Dr. to treat this so I went on my own with his

permission I got some Isocort it is sheep glands 8 pills = 20 mgs of Corisol.

http://www.vitaminmd.com/inc/searchresults?s=Isocort & ss=Isocort & n=62971

One needs to start on this low and work up to 2 pills 4x's a day or every 4 hrs.

Or get your Dr. to start you one Cortef HC 5mgs 4x's a day. With both of them

you need to start low and work your way up on the dose. Read this link about

this problem.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

And from this link it tells you how to treat it and how to start on Isocort or

HC meds.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat/

Here is a cut and paste on starting it and each pill of Isocort is = to 2.5 mgs

of HC.

============================

Day 1 – 3: 2.5 mg first thing in the AM (2.5 mg total)

Day 4 – 6: 2.5 mg first thing, 2.5 mg in four hours (5 mg total)

Day 7 – 9: 2.5 mg first thing; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours

(7 1/2 mg total)

Day 10 – 12: 5 mg first thing; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours

(10 mg total)

Day 13 – 16: 5 mg first thing; 5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours;

2.5 mg bed­time (15 mg total)

Day 17 – 20: 10 mg first thing; 5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours;

Bed­time 2.5 mg (20 mg total)

----------------------------------------------------

In this link is a FAQ's about everything you need to know about this problem.

Some of the links don't work but still it's full of good info.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=256

When my Dr. seen how much better I felt on Isocort he put me on Cortef I startes

with 20 mgs 5mgs 4x's a day ended up needing 30 mgs a day.

Also I have low Aldosterone/Renin activity and adding 1/2 tsp full of Sea Salt

first thing in the morning made me feel better. You need to test this later

after your Adrenals are supported on Isocort or HC.

http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/aldosterone/test.html

If you need more info just ask.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <alexanderjones49@...>

> Subject: Treatment for Low Cortisol- questions and concerns

CORTEF???? -Urgent

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:57 AM

> Gentlemen,

>

>      I have all the indications from labs for secondary

> adrenal insufficiency.   I need to approach my doctor for

> treatment.

>

>   Is this something my Primary Care Physician can do

> or is there someone else who I should see?  I have had

> kidney doctors, pain management doctors, Psychiatrists, and

> neourologists.  All have seen the labs and understand the

> symptoms.  Only the kidney doctor has said to step up the

> pace with getting treated. As he is the only doctor who has

> prioritized getting treated over his own speciality.

>  

> I have taken lots of time off from work over the last 5

> months trying to get to the bottom of what has been giving

> me a severe beatdown.

>

>  My concern is I have immediate need for treatment and I

> do not have several months to go through the status quo

> treatment plan with doctors.   I would have never found my

> way without this Group in overcoming severe hypogonadism;

> and have lots of apprehension and somewhat anxiety as I

> approach this.  My gut tells me you guys are going to have

> to save me again.

>

> I  would really appreciate insight as to which medicines

> have worked best. Particulary how you arrived at a dosage

> and how you personally understood what was working for you.

>

> Would those of you are being treated please tell me what to

> look for and keep an eye out for.  

> Please use laymans terms.  My cognitive skills are

> declining steadily.

>

> Thanks guys.   This I hope is my last Steeple fence for

> many years to come.   This is urgent because this battle

> is showing me loosing tremendously. 

>

> Highten my understanding, perspective and confidence.

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Though I haven't yet done the saliva tests, all symptoms show that I have

adrenal insufficiency as well. I spoke to my docs about it and no-one wants to

try cortef. Ironically, my psychiatrist who treat my sleep issues was indignant

at the medical community at their treatment of AI. " After all, they'll give you

prednisone for almost anything! "

Anyway - I digress.

Right now I'm using a combination of Ginseng and Ashwagandha (herbs). They seem

to be helping. If I feel as though I need to take it further, I will be

following Phil's advice by purchasing some Isocort after first taking the saliva

test.

Unless you can find a doc that is really cutting-edge, that's the way to go.

Best of luck,

Dave

>

> Gentlemen,

>

>      I have all the indications from labs for secondary adrenal

insufficiency.   I need to approach my doctor for treatment.

>

>   Is this something my Primary Care Physician can do or is there someone else

who I should see?  I have had kidney doctors, pain management doctors,

Psychiatrists, and neourologists.  All have seen the labs and understand the

symptoms.  Only the kidney doctor has said to step up the pace with getting

treated. As he is the only doctor who has prioritized getting treated over his

own speciality.

>  

> I have taken lots of time off from work over the last 5 months trying to get

to the bottom of what has been giving me a severe beatdown.

>

>  My concern is I have immediate need for treatment and I do not have several

months to go through the status quo treatment plan with doctors.   I would have

never found my way without this Group in overcoming severe hypogonadism; and

have lots of apprehension and somewhat anxiety as I approach this.  My gut tells

me you guys are going to have to save me again.

>

> I  would really appreciate insight as to which medicines have worked best.

Particulary how you arrived at a dosage and how you personally understood what

was working for you.

>

> Would those of you are being treated please tell me what to look for and keep

an eye out for.  

> Please use laymans terms.  My cognitive skills are declining steadily.

>

> Thanks guys.   This I hope is my last Steeple fence for many years to come.  

This is urgent because this battle is showing me loosing tremendously. 

>

> Highten my understanding, perspective and confidence.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave and ,

This is the group that is helping me with my adrenal insufficiency. Mine was

caused by poor hypothyroid management and possible autoimmune (antibody test

inconclusive).

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/?yguid=104711494

Dave- You need to be off all adrenal adaptogens including Ashwagandha for two

weeks before saliva testing.

Hope this helps,

Jennie

>

> Hi ,

>

> Right now I'm using a combination of Ginseng and Ashwagandha (herbs). They

seem to be helping. If I feel as though I need to take it further, I will be

following Phil's advice by purchasing some Isocort after first taking the saliva

test.

> Unless you can find a doc that is really cutting-edge, that's the way to go.

>

> Best of luck,

> Dave

[Guest guest]

Dave, As a guy with poor adrenal function, I would suggest you do a 4x saliva

test to see where you are. My profile was low all day, so HC supplentation is a

no brainer. Phil here is the man! Listen to what he says.

I just started cortef today. Although my initial dose was too high this morning,

Phil turned me on to a protocol from STTM that I'm very optimistic will work

well. From what I've read, Isocort works well if a person adrenals aren't real

bad. All those adaptogen herbs didn't do squat for me. That's just my system

though.

There is HC from alldaychemist.com. I don't know about the quality though.

Take care.

> >

> > Gentlemen,

> >

> >      I have all the indications from labs for secondary adrenal

insufficiency.   I need to approach my doctor for treatment.

> >

> >   Is this something my Primary Care Physician can do or is there someone

else who I should see?  I have had kidney doctors, pain management doctors,

Psychiatrists, and neourologists.  All have seen the labs and understand the

symptoms.  Only the kidney doctor has said to step up the pace with getting

treated. As he is the only doctor who has prioritized getting treated over his

own speciality.

> >  

> > I have taken lots of time off from work over the last 5 months trying to get

to the bottom of what has been giving me a severe beatdown.

> >

> >  My concern is I have immediate need for treatment and I do not have several

months to go through the status quo treatment plan with doctors.   I would have

never found my way without this Group in overcoming severe hypogonadism; and

have lots of apprehension and somewhat anxiety as I approach this.  My gut tells

me you guys are going to have to save me again.

> >

> > I  would really appreciate insight as to which medicines have worked best.

Particulary how you arrived at a dosage and how you personally understood what

was working for you.

> >

> > Would those of you are being treated please tell me what to look for and

keep an eye out for.  

> > Please use laymans terms.  My cognitive skills are declining steadily.

> >

> > Thanks guys.   This I hope is my last Steeple fence for many years to

come.   This is urgent because this battle is showing me loosing tremendously. 

> >

> > Highten my understanding, perspective and confidence.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

  Thank you.  I am going in to see the doctor in an hour.  I needed to rest

my mind of these things over the night but can now proceed on target.   I will

continue to consult with you.

 

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 12:06:40 PM

Subject: Re: Treatment for Low Cortisol- questions and concerns

CORTEF???? -Urgent

 

Hi ,

I am Secondary by your saying you have " secondary adrenal insufficiency " to me

it means your Pituitary does not send the ACTH message that tells your Adrenals

to make cortisol so you are suffering from Adrenal Insufficiency right.

I had a very hard time getting my Dr. to treat this so I went on my own with his

permission I got some Isocort it is sheep glands 8 pills = 20 mgs of Corisol.

http://www.vitaminmd.com/inc/searchresults?s=Isocort & ss=Isocort & n=62971

One needs to start on this low and work up to 2 pills 4x's a day or every 4 hrs.

Or get your Dr. to start you one Cortef HC 5mgs 4x's a day. With both of them

you need to start low and work your way up on the dose. Read this link about

this problem.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

And from this link it tells you how to treat it and how to start on Isocort or

HC meds.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat/

Here is a cut and paste on starting it and each pill of Isocort is = to 2.5 mgs

of HC.

============================

Day 1 – 3: 2.5 mg first thing in the AM (2.5 mg total)

Day 4 – 6: 2.5 mg first thing, 2.5 mg in four hours (5 mg total)

Day 7 – 9: 2.5 mg first thing; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours

(7 1/2 mg total)

Day 10 – 12: 5 mg first thing; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours

(10 mg total)

Day 13 – 16: 5 mg first thing; 5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours;

2.5 mg bed­time (15 mg total)

Day 17 – 20: 10 mg first thing; 5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours;

Bed­time 2.5 mg (20 mg total)

----------------------------------------------------

In this link is a FAQ's about everything you need to know about this problem.

Some of the links don't work but still it's full of good info.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=256

When my Dr. seen how much better I felt on Isocort he put me on Cortef I startes

with 20 mgs 5mgs 4x's a day ended up needing 30 mgs a day.

Also I have low Aldosterone/Renin activity and adding 1/2 tsp full of Sea Salt

first thing in the morning made me feel better. You need to test this later

after your Adrenals are supported on Isocort or HC.

http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/aldosterone/test.html

If you need more info just ask.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <alexanderjones49@...>

> Subject: Treatment for Low Cortisol- questions and concerns

CORTEF???? -Urgent

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:57 AM

> Gentlemen,

>

>      I have all the indications from labs for secondary

> adrenal insufficiency.   I need to approach my doctor for

> treatment.

>

>   Is this something my Primary Care Physician can do

> or is there someone else who I should see?  I have had

> kidney doctors, pain management doctors, Psychiatrists, and

> neourologists.  All have seen the labs and understand the

> symptoms.  Only the kidney doctor has said to step up the

> pace with getting treated. As he is the only doctor who has

> prioritized getting treated over his own speciality.

>  

> I have taken lots of time off from work over the last 5

> months trying to get to the bottom of what has been giving

> me a severe beatdown.

>

>  My concern is I have immediate need for treatment and I

> do not have several months to go through the status quo

> treatment plan with doctors.   I would have never found my

> way without this Group in overcoming severe hypogonadism;

> and have lots of apprehension and somewhat anxiety as I

> approach this.  My gut tells me you guys are going to have

> to save me again.

>

> I  would really appreciate insight as to which medicines

> have worked best. Particulary how you arrived at a dosage

> and how you personally understood what was working for you.

>

> Would those of you are being treated please tell me what to

> look for and keep an eye out for.  

> Please use laymans terms.  My cognitive skills are

> declining steadily.

>

> Thanks guys.   This I hope is my last Steeple fence for

> many years to come.   This is urgent because this battle

> is showing me loosing tremendously. 

>

> Highten my understanding, perspective and confidence.

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jennie.  

________________________________

From: jrmoidel <jrmoidel@...>

Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 6:06:36 PM

Subject: Re: Treatment for Low Cortisol- questions and concerns

CORTEF???? -Urgent

 

Dave and ,

This is the group that is helping me with my adrenal insufficiency. Mine was

caused by poor hypothyroid management and possible autoimmune (antibody test

inconclusive).

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/?yguid=104711494

Dave- You need to be off all adrenal adaptogens including Ashwagandha for two

weeks before saliva testing.

Hope this helps,

Jennie

>

> Hi ,

>

> Right now I'm using a combination of Ginseng and Ashwagandha (herbs). They

seem to be helping. If I feel as though I need to take it further, I will be

following Phil's advice by purchasing some Isocort after first taking the saliva

test.

> Unless you can find a doc that is really cutting-edge, that's the way to go.

>

> Best of luck,

> Dave

[Guest guest]

Dave,

   Truly amazing how the doctors can play the field with the general

administering of prescriptions and get shady when specifics are requested.  

________________________________

From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 5:54:13 PM

Subject: Re: Treatment for Low Cortisol- questions and concerns

CORTEF???? -Urgent

 

Hi ,

Though I haven't yet done the saliva tests, all symptoms show that I have

adrenal insufficiency as well. I spoke to my docs about it and no-one wants to

try cortef. Ironically, my psychiatrist who treat my sleep issues was indignant

at the medical community at their treatment of AI. " After all, they'll give you

prednisone for almost anything! "

Anyway - I digress.

Right now I'm using a combination of Ginseng and Ashwagandha (herbs). They seem

to be helping. If I feel as though I need to take it further, I will be

following Phil's advice by purchasing some Isocort after first taking the saliva

test.

Unless you can find a doc that is really cutting-edge, that's the way to go.

Best of luck,

Dave

>

> Gentlemen,

>

>      I have all the indications from labs for secondary adrenal

insufficiency.   I need to approach my doctor for treatment.

>

>   Is this something my Primary Care Physician can do or is there someone

else who I should see?  I have had kidney doctors, pain management doctors,

Psychiatrists, and neourologists.  All have seen the labs and understand the

symptoms.  Only the kidney doctor has said to step up the pace with getting

treated. As he is the only doctor who has prioritized getting treated over his

own speciality.

>  

> I have taken lots of time off from work over the last 5 months trying to get

to the bottom of what has been giving me a severe beatdown.

>

>  My concern is I have immediate need for treatment and I do not have several

months to go through the status quo treatment plan with doctors.   I would

have never found my way without this Group in overcoming severe hypogonadism;

and have lots of apprehension and somewhat anxiety as I approach this.  My gut

tells me you guys are going to have to save me again.

>

> I  would really appreciate insight as to which medicines have worked best.

Particulary how you arrived at a dosage and how you personally understood what

was working for you.

>

> Would those of you are being treated please tell me what to look for and keep

an eye out for.  

> Please use laymans terms.  My cognitive skills are declining steadily.

>

> Thanks guys.   This I hope is my last Steeple fence for many years to

come.   This is urgent because this battle is showing me loosing

tremendously. 

>

> Highten my understanding, perspective and confidence.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. can tell one has AI just talking to you and looking you over he does

not even need labs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: Treatment for Low Cortisol- questions and concerns

CORTEF???? -Urgent

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 5:54 PM

> Hi ,

>

> Though I haven't yet done the saliva tests, all symptoms

> show that I have adrenal insufficiency as well.  I

> spoke to my docs about it and no-one wants to try

> cortef.  Ironically, my psychiatrist who treat my sleep

> issues was indignant at the medical community at their

> treatment of AI.  " After all, they'll give you

> prednisone for almost anything! "  

> Anyway - I digress. 

> Right now I'm using a combination of Ginseng and

> Ashwagandha (herbs).  They seem to be helping.  If

> I feel as though I need to take it further, I will be

> following Phil's advice by purchasing some Isocort after

> first taking the saliva test. 

> Unless you can find a doc that is really cutting-edge,

> that's the way to go.

>

> Best of luck,

> Dave

>

>

> >

> > Gentlemen,

> >

> >      I have all the indications from labs for

> secondary adrenal insufficiency.   I need to approach my

> doctor for treatment.

> >

> >   Is this something my Primary Care Physician can do

> or is there someone else who I should see?  I have had

> kidney doctors, pain management doctors, Psychiatrists, and

> neourologists.  All have seen the labs and understand the

> symptoms.  Only the kidney doctor has said to step up the

> pace with getting treated. As he is the only doctor who has

> prioritized getting treated over his own speciality.

> >  

> > I have taken lots of time off from work over the last

> 5 months trying to get to the bottom of what has been giving

> me a severe beatdown.

> >

> >  My concern is I have immediate need for treatment

> and I do not have several months to go through the status

> quo treatment plan with doctors.   I would have never

> found my way without this Group in overcoming severe

> hypogonadism; and have lots of apprehension and somewhat

> anxiety as I approach this.  My gut tells me you guys are

> going to have to save me again.

> >

> > I  would really appreciate insight as to which

> medicines have worked best. Particulary how you arrived at a

> dosage and how you personally understood what was working

> for you.

> >

> > Would those of you are being treated please tell me

> what to look for and keep an eye out for.  

> > Please use laymans terms.  My cognitive skills are

> declining steadily.

> >

> > Thanks guys.   This I hope is my last Steeple fence

> for many years to come.   This is urgent because this

> battle is showing me loosing tremendously. 

> >

> > Highten my understanding, perspective and confidence.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >       

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

is great at that forum she helped me a lot then when I learned a lot

about AI I ended up helping her with the forum when she was at STTM. At the

forum I have for Men's Only Thyroid the owner will not let us talk about AI it

was talking about AI that the owner of STTM had to shut down the forums. There

are some people from RightThyroidHelp doing an AI forum I would love to help out

with but I just don't have the time.

http://hypopit.org/forum/index.php

There is some good stuff here I should join there forum but I know if I do it

will take up most of my day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jrmoidel <jrmoidel@...>

> Subject: Re: Treatment for Low Cortisol- questions and concerns

CORTEF???? -Urgent

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 6:06 PM

> Dave and ,

>

> This is the group that is helping me with my adrenal

> insufficiency. Mine was caused by poor hypothyroid

> management and possible autoimmune (antibody test

> inconclusive).

>

> NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/?yguid=104711494

>

> Dave- You need to be off all adrenal adaptogens including

> Ashwagandha for two weeks before saliva testing.

>

> Hope this helps,

> Jennie

>

>

> >

> > Hi ,

> > 

> > Right now I'm using a combination of Ginseng and

> Ashwagandha (herbs).  They seem to be helping.  If

> I feel as though I need to take it further, I will be

> following Phil's advice by purchasing some Isocort after

> first taking the saliva test. 

> > Unless you can find a doc that is really cutting-edge,

> that's the way to go.

> >

> > Best of luck,

> > Dave

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>