Re: My Wife Can't Sleep/ the patch caper

May 23, 2010

Phil, it will get to the point where she can't stand it anymore and she

will try anything. She will get a rx for bioidenticals and her life will

change overnight. There will be a titration period to get it right but she will

sleep.

She hasn't reached the bottom yet.

My brother got so aggravated with his wife's grouchiness from insomnia that

he borrowed an estradiol patch from our sister and put it onto his wife's

buttocks after she finally fell asleep. When she woke up she was a new

person, having slept deeply for the first time in years. He fessed up (she

hadn't noticed the small patch) and his wife became a convert immediately.

Apparently, after a few years without estrogen, women forget what a good sleep

feels like. She went to a doc who immediately put her on BHRT creams.

I didn't mean to ramble. Just thought it might help.

Sly

In a message dated 5/23/2010 10:18:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

I am so dam mad last night my wife said to me gee I hope I can sleep

tonight. After she had her first knee replacement sugary she can't sleep now

she

is just recovering for having the other knee done and she tells me her

sleeping is worse. I asked her how her last labs looked for her thyroid and

she said the other Dr. told her it's fine. I asked to see the copy of her

labs and all they tested was TSH SOB I look high and low for her Dr. now he

passed her over to this other female Dr. and all this Dr. has been doing is

testing TSH and adjusting her meds by this.

My wife thinks what I do on the forums is playing Dr. I wish so she keeps

her health problems to her self. I got so dam mad last night I had to

stress dose my HC. She knows you can't treat Thyroid by TSH she hears me say

this all the time. I told her we need to find a new Dr. she told me to mind my

own problems.

After talking with her because I am not minding my own heath problems. I

asked her whey she did not take the labs I gave her to test her hormones so

she could try Natural Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy much like

whats in this link.

http://www.power-surge.com/educate/yourhormones.htm

She told me she talked to the Dr. about this and was told my BCBS would

not pay for them labs the cost would be over $3,000,00 and my BCBS would not

pay for the Hormones. I think my wife does this to Piss me off she knows I

get labs for hormones every 8 weeks and I am on Bio Hormones even Growth

Hormone. And my BCBS covers it so I asked her why she did not tell the Dam

Dr. it's covered do the labs she told me mind my own ****ing business.

Well I am not going to do this I think she is nuts she will speak her mind

to men in a flat min. but when with a Dr. to her they are GOD. I don't

feel sorry for her anymore I told her so. Years ago with I first got sick and

could not make it to work living with her was Hel* now I see she does the

same thing to her self. She hates Dr.'s and thinks things that go wrong will

fix them selfs on there own.

I am at my wits end here just don't know how some one can have the

problems she has and just think this is the way it is and there is nothing one

can

do about. She talks to one Dr. and thats it.

I think she is nuts.

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May 23, 2010

Bill,

Absolutely. My wife was on a long-running discussion group -- here it is:

_http://menopaus.icors.org/_ (http://menopaus.icors.org/) But there must

be some on just dealing with BHRT. The biggest problem women have

seems to be sleep and just drying up physically and emotionally. Even Oprah

said she felt she just " woke up " and saw colors after bioidenticals. My wife

started with progesterone, then added estrogen, then a little testosterone.

And iodine of course-- because that makes all the receptors work better.

Sly

In a message dated 5/23/2010 3:33:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

bill_totten@... writes:

Sly,

So, do the BHRT creams really work for women?

Bill

May 23, 2010

My wife did tell her female Dr. about her problems with sleep and this dam Dr.

tried to give her the crap she was on yrs ago that cause's breast cancer some

kind of hormone made from House urine. This is when I told her they make safe

hormones she can try find a better Dr. Here is a copy of the post to Dr. M and

his reply.

====================================================

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

My wife was on HRT for a time some yrs. ago until the big breast cancer scare

come out then she stopped it. Three yrs ago she has Knee replacement sugary and

after this she can't sleep and lost her libido. I have been on TRT or

Testosterone meds for 27 yrs. I know lot about them and help men on the forums

with this problem.

But when it comes down to women and there hormones I am lost. Yet I get a lot of

women posting to me about it.

My wife seen her Dr. for a scan on her privet parts she thought she found a

lump. My wife told her that the Ambien she tried to help her sleep did not work

so her Dr. talked her into going back on HRT. I have been telling her to do this

for yrs. but she kept telling me they cause cancer. I told her she can get

natural hormones or what they call Bio identical Hormones.

I am not sure if what she is on is safe here is what the Dr. gave her.

Provera/Medroxprogesterone Aceta 1 x's/day 2.5 mgs. and

Estrace/Gynodiol/Estradiol 1 x's/day .5 mgs.

She has been on this 5 days now and says she is sleeping a little better dose

not need Xanax anymore.

Dr. M or anyone I need help on this one.

The question is: how does one keep hormone replacement therapy safe?

There is some risk of breast cancer with Estrogens and Progesterone.

There is a significant risk of blood clots and heart problems with the use of

Progestins ( artificial progesterones ).

Thus, how does one keep safe? How does one lower the risk?

When it comes to the risk of heart attacks and blood clots, clearly

(particularly since Provera + Estradiol = PremPro), the World Health

Organization's study showed the use of Provera increased the risk for both

problems.

As a result of this study, I prefer Estradiol alone to Estradiol + Provera.

I prefer Estrogen and Progesterone to Estradiol alone for the health benefits

and to reduce the risk of using Estradiol alone.

And I prefer Estradiol + Estriol to Estradiol or Premarin when it comes to

choosing an Estrogen.

When it comes to reproductive system cancers, such as breast cancer, there are

ways to reduce the risk.

Three modifiable factors which may reduce the risk for breast cancer while on

hormone replacement therapy are:

1. Adequate Iodine intake

2. Adequate Vitamin D intake.

3. Using Estradiol with Estriol (Bi-Est)

A good reference to iodine is Dr. Browntein's excellent book on iodine: Iodine -

Why you need it. http://www.drbrownstein.com/

Even if a woman is not on hormone replacement therapy, when iodine and vitamin D

are both low, the risk of developing breast cancer is significantly higher than

with adequate levels of both.

When it comes to adequate iodine levels, I agree with Dr. Brownstein, though I

don't advocate using 50 mg of iodine a day all the time.

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> From: slythy@... <slythy@...>

> Subject: Re: My Wife Can't Sleep/ the patch caper

>

> Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 3:03 PM

> Phil, it will get to the point where

> she can't stand it anymore and she

> will try anything. She will get a rx for bioidenticals and

> her life will

> change overnight. There will be a titration period to

> get it right but she will

> sleep.

>

> She hasn't reached the bottom yet.

>

> My brother got so aggravated with his wife's grouchiness

> from insomnia that

> he borrowed an estradiol patch from our sister and put it

> onto his wife's

> buttocks after she finally fell asleep. When she woke up

> she was a new

> person, having slept deeply for the first time in

> years. He fessed up (she

> hadn't noticed the small patch) and his wife became a

> convert immediately.

> Apparently, after a few years without estrogen, women

> forget what a good sleep

> feels like. She went to a doc who immediately put her

> on BHRT creams.

>

> I didn't mean to ramble. Just thought it might help.

>

> Sly

>

> In a message dated 5/23/2010 10:18:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight

> Time,

> pmgamer18@...

> writes:

>

> I am so dam mad last night my wife said to me gee I

> hope I can sleep

> tonight. After she had her first knee replacement

> sugary she can't sleep now she

> is just recovering for having the other knee done and

> she tells me her

> sleeping is worse. I asked her how her last labs

> looked for her thyroid and

> she said the other Dr. told her it's fine. I asked to

> see the copy of her

> labs and all they tested was TSH SOB I look high and

> low for her Dr. now he

> passed her over to this other female Dr. and all this

> Dr. has been doing is

> testing TSH and adjusting her meds by this.

>

> My wife thinks what I do on the forums is playing Dr.

> I wish so she keeps

> her health problems to her self. I got so dam mad

> last night I had to

> stress dose my HC. She knows you can't treat Thyroid

> by TSH she hears me say

> this all the time. I told her we need to find a new

> Dr. she told me to mind my

> own problems.

>

> After talking with her because I am not minding my

> own heath problems. I

> asked her whey she did not take the labs I gave her

> to test her hormones so

> she could try Natural Bioidentical Hormone

> Replacement Therapy much like

> whats in this link.

> http://www.power-surge.com/educate/yourhormones.htm

>

> She told me she talked to the Dr. about this and was

> told my BCBS would

> not pay for them labs the cost would be over

> $3,000,00 and my BCBS would not

> pay for the Hormones. I think my wife does this to

> Piss me off she knows I

> get labs for hormones every 8 weeks and I am on Bio

> Hormones even Growth

> Hormone. And my BCBS covers it so I asked her why she

> did not tell the Dam

> Dr. it's covered do the labs she told me mind my own

> ****ing business.

>

> Well I am not going to do this I think she is nuts

> she will speak her mind

> to men in a flat min. but when with a Dr. to her they

> are GOD. I don't

> feel sorry for her anymore I told her so. Years ago

> with I first got sick and

> could not make it to work living with her was Hel*

> now I see she does the

> same thing to her self. She hates Dr.'s and thinks

> things that go wrong will

> fix them selfs on there own.

>

> I am at my wits end here just don't know how some one can

> have the

> problems she has and just think this is the way it is and

> there is nothing one can

> do about. She talks to one Dr. and thats it.

>

> I think she is nuts.

>

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May 23, 2010