Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

[Guest guest]

You have a serious rT3 problem causing you to be even more hypo than your labs

look. Your FT3/rT3 ratio is 8 and it should be over 20. I would expect that

the Synthroid would only make your rT3 worse. You had a bad reaction to Armour?

When you say " hyper " do you mean it made you anxious? That could be from low

ferritin.

When my rT3 was bad I was retaining water in my knee and couldn't bend it. I

switched from Armour to Armour + T3 for awhile and the swelling finally went

down and I could bend it again. I am now on 100% Erfa. I would think you would

need to be on a T3-type med, not Synthroid.

JMHO,

Barb

>

> I just got back from seeing Dr. he put me back on HGH but at a lower dose .15

mgs half of what I was on. My Thyroid is looking bad TSH is 5.27 top of range

4.5mIU/l.

> T4 Total 6.9 top of range 12.5 mcg/dL.

> T4 Free .8 top of range 1.8 ng/dL.

> T3 Free 285 top of range 420 pg/dL.

> T3 Total 100 top of range 181 ng/dL.

> RT3 34 top of range 32 ng/dL.

> He started me on Synthroid 150mcgs / day.

> And he said my Thyroid will pick up again on the Growth Hormone so no Armour

he feels I will go hyper again on it.

>

> He said we will not change my Test C dose until I am on HGH for a time.

> I am holding a lot of water bad he says it's Thyroid doing this.

>

> IGF-1 is 145 top of range is 228 ng/ml for my age.

>

> Total T is 854 top of range is 1100 ng/dL.

> Free T is 227.1 top of range is 224 pg/mL.

> Bio. T is 447.4 top of range is 575 ng/dL.

> SHBG is 16 range is 17 to 54 nmoI/L

> Estradiol is 27 top of range is 54 pg/ml this is test #4021.

>

>

> I pray I don't have a problem with going back on this HGH he told me I need to

be on this and he only took me off so he could lower the dose.

>

> My E2 is this high taking .5 mgs of Arimidex / day.

>

> I hate LabCorp but is Quest stops doing the E2 test #4021 I will use them.

Back in the day I had to use them my Health Care Plain would only pay for

LabCorp but every other time I did labs they messed them up.

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, All I can say is I hope the new hgh dose works out for you and gets the

thyroid numbers back in line. You've helped me out a lot. I wish I could do the

same for you. Jim

>

> I just got back from seeing Dr. he put me back on HGH but at a lower dose .15

mgs half of what I was on. My Thyroid is looking bad TSH is 5.27 top of range

4.5mIU/l.

> T4 Total 6.9 top of range 12.5 mcg/dL.

> T4 Free .8 top of range 1.8 ng/dL.

> T3 Free 285 top of range 420 pg/dL.

> T3 Total 100 top of range 181 ng/dL.

> RT3 34 top of range 32 ng/dL.

> He started me on Synthroid 150mcgs / day.

> And he said my Thyroid will pick up again on the Growth Hormone so no Armour

he feels I will go hyper again on it.

>

> He said we will not change my Test C dose until I am on HGH for a time.

> I am holding a lot of water bad he says it's Thyroid doing this.

>

> IGF-1 is 145 top of range is 228 ng/ml for my age.

>

> Total T is 854 top of range is 1100 ng/dL.

> Free T is 227.1 top of range is 224 pg/mL.

> Bio. T is 447.4 top of range is 575 ng/dL.

> SHBG is 16 range is 17 to 54 nmoI/L

> Estradiol is 27 top of range is 54 pg/ml this is test #4021.

>

>

> I pray I don't have a problem with going back on this HGH he told me I need to

be on this and he only took me off so he could lower the dose.

>

> My E2 is this high taking .5 mgs of Arimidex / day.

>

> I hate LabCorp but is Quest stops doing the E2 test #4021 I will use them.

Back in the day I had to use them my Health Care Plain would only pay for

LabCorp but every other time I did labs they messed them up.

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, I was just thinking about this subject...and was goign to post on my GH

forum...which is all but dead right now....

My IGF-1 was in the 90's for most of 2007-8 until we finally got the dose up.

then I my IGF-1 was only at 130 on a dose of .05 mg.

then last year it dropped again back to the 90's so they upped it to .06

mg...the most they want to prescribe to me...

Anyway I just had my appointment and my IGF-1 was a astounding 240 or something

like that the top of my range....ha!

So what did it, you ask? Good question, I think it was the new testosterone I

started on (part of my bio-identicals).

I had read that testosterone and GH work together and given my history this sure

makes sense...cause the estrogen should have decreased it but as with all

hormones BALANCE wins!

So it got me to wondering if some of your issues with GH were in fact related to

the testosterone...AND if part of the reason you metabolize the Testosterone so

fast is your low GH...

My husband has a fantastic IGF-1 somewhere around 300 and he metabolizes his

testosterone rather slowly....He is 6'4 " and about 240 with not much body fat...

Just a thought....

Judy

>

> I just got back from seeing Dr. he put me back on HGH but at a lower dose .15

mgs half of what I was on. My Thyroid is looking bad TSH is 5.27 top of range

4.5mIU/l.

> T4 Total 6.9 top of range 12.5 mcg/dL.

> T4 Free .8 top of range 1.8 ng/dL.

> T3 Free 285 top of range 420 pg/dL.

> T3 Total 100 top of range 181 ng/dL.

> RT3 34 top of range 32 ng/dL.

> He started me on Synthroid 150mcgs / day.

> And he said my Thyroid will pick up again on the Growth Hormone so no Armour

he feels I will go hyper again on it.

>

> He said we will not change my Test C dose until I am on HGH for a time.

> I am holding a lot of water bad he says it's Thyroid doing this.

>

> IGF-1 is 145 top of range is 228 ng/ml for my age.

>

> Total T is 854 top of range is 1100 ng/dL.

> Free T is 227.1 top of range is 224 pg/mL.

> Bio. T is 447.4 top of range is 575 ng/dL.

> SHBG is 16 range is 17 to 54 nmoI/L

> Estradiol is 27 top of range is 54 pg/ml this is test #4021.

>

>

> I pray I don't have a problem with going back on this HGH he told me I need to

be on this and he only took me off so he could lower the dose.

>

> My E2 is this high taking .5 mgs of Arimidex / day.

>

> I hate LabCorp but is Quest stops doing the E2 test #4021 I will use them.

Back in the day I had to use them my Health Care Plain would only pay for

LabCorp but every other time I did labs they messed them up.

>

[Guest guest]

You have a serious rT3 problem causing you to be even more hypo than your labs

look. Your FT3/rT3 ratio is 8 and it should be over 20. I would expect that

the Synthroid would only make your rT3 worse. You had a bad reaction to Armour?

When you say " hyper " do you mean it made you anxious? That could be from low

ferritin.

When my rT3 was bad I was retaining water in my knee and couldn't bend it. I

switched from Armour to Armour + T3 for awhile and the swelling finally went

down and I could bend it again. I am now on 100% Erfa. I would think you would

need to be on a T3-type med, not Synthroid.

>

> JMHO,

> Barb

Wow Barb that is a really good point....with your rT3's that high you are going

to drive them higher on synthoid. I thought the only way to clear them is with

T3 only?

Judy

[Guest guest]

I have been on Armour for over 4 yrs up to 4 grains it was when I add Growth

Hormone last Nov. that my thyroid went Hyper. I was sweating very bad my heart

rate and BP were up and my Temps avg. went up from 98.4 to 99.2 this is hyper.

We lowered the dose until I was only on 15 mgs of Armour and I was still hyper.

So we stopped Armour and I was fine now my dose of GH was to high my hands and

feet started to go numb and I started to hold a lot of water. My Estradiol was

going nuts on this dose .3mgs a day.

I did not know this and just thought my Dr. was taking me off GH because of the

sides I was having. He did not tell me he was putting me back on it when it

cleared out of my body.

On the HGH my Thyroid will start working again so we are trying T4 only because

my T4's have always been very low.

He does not want me to try Armour again until we see how I do on the lower dose

of GH.

My RT3 has been high because I had heart by pass sugary on HGH it came down. So

we will see how this goes I pray it works I went through hell on the higher dose

of HGH.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

>

> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 3:29 PM

> You have a serious rT3 problem

> causing you to be even more hypo than your labs look. 

> Your FT3/rT3 ratio is 8 and it should be over 20.  I

> would expect that the Synthroid would only make your rT3

> worse.  You had a bad reaction to Armour?  When

> you say " hyper " do you mean it made you anxious?  That

> could be from low ferritin.

>

> When my rT3 was bad I was retaining water in my knee and

> couldn't bend it.  I switched from Armour to Armour +

> T3 for awhile and the swelling finally went down and I could

> bend it again.  I am now on 100% Erfa.  I would

> think you would need to be on a T3-type med, not Synthroid.

>

> JMHO,

> Barb

>

>

>

> >

> > I just got back from seeing Dr. he put me back on HGH

> but at a lower dose .15 mgs half of what I was on.  My

> Thyroid is looking bad TSH is 5.27 top of range 4.5mIU/l.

> > T4 Total 6.9 top of range 12.5 mcg/dL.

> > T4 Free .8 top of range 1.8 ng/dL.

> > T3 Free 285 top of range 420 pg/dL.

> > T3 Total 100 top of range 181 ng/dL.

> > RT3 34 top of range 32 ng/dL.

> > He started me on Synthroid 150mcgs / day.

> > And he said my Thyroid will pick up again on the

> Growth Hormone so no Armour he feels I will go hyper again

> on it.

> >

> > He said we will not change my Test C dose until I am

> on HGH for a time.

> > I am holding a lot of water bad he says it's Thyroid

> doing this.

> >

> > IGF-1 is 145 top of range is 228 ng/ml for my age.

> >

> > Total T is 854 top of  range is 1100 ng/dL.

> > Free T is 227.1 top of range is 224 pg/mL.

> > Bio. T is 447.4 top of range is 575 ng/dL.

> > SHBG is 16 range is 17 to 54 nmoI/L

> > Estradiol is 27 top of range is 54 pg/ml this is test

> #4021.

> >

> >

> > I pray I don't have a problem with going back on this

> HGH he told me I need to be on this and he only took me off

> so he could lower the dose.

> >

> > My E2 is this high taking .5 mgs of Arimidex / day.

> >

> > I hate LabCorp but is Quest stops doing the E2 test

> #4021 I will use them.  Back in the day I had to use

> them my Health Care Plain would only pay for LabCorp but

> every other time I did labs they messed them up.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jim I feel fine back in the gym and walking just labs look bad.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

>

> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 3:31 PM

> Phil, All I can say is I hope the new

> hgh dose works out for you and gets the thyroid numbers back

> in line. You've helped me out a lot. I wish I could do the

> same for you. Jim

>

>

> >

> > I just got back from seeing Dr. he put me back on HGH

> but at a lower dose .15 mgs half of what I was on.  My

> Thyroid is looking bad TSH is 5.27 top of range 4.5mIU/l.

> > T4 Total 6.9 top of range 12.5 mcg/dL.

> > T4 Free .8 top of range 1.8 ng/dL.

> > T3 Free 285 top of range 420 pg/dL.

> > T3 Total 100 top of range 181 ng/dL.

> > RT3 34 top of range 32 ng/dL.

> > He started me on Synthroid 150mcgs / day.

> > And he said my Thyroid will pick up again on the

> Growth Hormone so no Armour he feels I will go hyper again

> on it.

> >

> > He said we will not change my Test C dose until I am

> on HGH for a time.

> > I am holding a lot of water bad he says it's Thyroid

> doing this.

> >

> > IGF-1 is 145 top of range is 228 ng/ml for my age.

> >

> > Total T is 854 top of  range is 1100 ng/dL.

> > Free T is 227.1 top of range is 224 pg/mL.

> > Bio. T is 447.4 top of range is 575 ng/dL.

> > SHBG is 16 range is 17 to 54 nmoI/L

> > Estradiol is 27 top of range is 54 pg/ml this is test

> #4021.

> >

> >

> > I pray I don't have a problem with going back on this

> HGH he told me I need to be on this and he only took me off

> so he could lower the dose.

> >

> > My E2 is this high taking .5 mgs of Arimidex / day.

> >

> > I hate LabCorp but is Quest stops doing the E2 test

> #4021 I will use them.  Back in the day I had to use

> them my Health Care Plain would only pay for LabCorp but

> every other time I did labs they messed them up.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Judy this is the thinking my Dr. is woking at to get my IGF-1 levels good not to

high on .3 mgs of GH I was over the top of the range. So as my levels come back

up we will try lowing my Testostereone dose.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zashes11 <jharvey@...>

> Subject: Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

>

> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 3:47 PM

> Wow, I was just thinking about this

> subject...and was goign to post on my GH forum...which is

> all but dead right now....

>

> My IGF-1 was in the 90's for most of 2007-8 until we

> finally got the dose up. then I my IGF-1 was only at 130 on

> a dose of .05 mg.

> then last year it dropped again back to the 90's so they

> upped it to .06 mg...the most they want to prescribe to

> me...

>

> Anyway I just had my appointment and my IGF-1 was a

> astounding 240 or something like that the top of my

> range....ha!

>

> So what did it, you ask? Good question, I think it was the

> new testosterone I started on (part of my bio-identicals).

>

> I had read that testosterone and GH work together and given

> my history this sure makes sense...cause the estrogen should

> have decreased it but as  with all hormones BALANCE

> wins!

>

> So it got me to wondering if some of your issues with GH

> were in fact related to the testosterone...AND if part of

> the reason you metabolize the Testosterone so fast is your

> low GH...

>

> My husband has a fantastic IGF-1 somewhere around 300 and

> he metabolizes his testosterone rather slowly....He is 6'4 "

> and about 240 with not much body fat...

>

> Just a thought....

>

> Judy

>

>

>

> >

> > I just got back from seeing Dr. he put me back on HGH

> but at a lower dose .15 mgs half of what I was on.  My

> Thyroid is looking bad TSH is 5.27 top of range 4.5mIU/l.

> > T4 Total 6.9 top of range 12.5 mcg/dL.

> > T4 Free .8 top of range 1.8 ng/dL.

> > T3 Free 285 top of range 420 pg/dL.

> > T3 Total 100 top of range 181 ng/dL.

> > RT3 34 top of range 32 ng/dL.

> > He started me on Synthroid 150mcgs / day.

> > And he said my Thyroid will pick up again on the

> Growth Hormone so no Armour he feels I will go hyper again

> on it.

> >

> > He said we will not change my Test C dose until I am

> on HGH for a time.

> > I am holding a lot of water bad he says it's Thyroid

> doing this.

> >

> > IGF-1 is 145 top of range is 228 ng/ml for my age.

> >

> > Total T is 854 top of  range is 1100 ng/dL.

> > Free T is 227.1 top of range is 224 pg/mL.

> > Bio. T is 447.4 top of range is 575 ng/dL.

> > SHBG is 16 range is 17 to 54 nmoI/L

> > Estradiol is 27 top of range is 54 pg/ml this is test

> #4021.

> >

> >

> > I pray I don't have a problem with going back on this

> HGH he told me I need to be on this and he only took me off

> so he could lower the dose.

> >

> > My E2 is this high taking .5 mgs of Arimidex / day.

> >

> > I hate LabCorp but is Quest stops doing the E2 test

> #4021 I will use them.  Back in the day I had to use

> them my Health Care Plain would only pay for LabCorp but

> every other time I did labs they messed them up.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

RT3 has been high due to the stress of Heart by pass sugary it came down on HGH

so we will see how it goes. I can't take T3 only meds this is why we did not go

back on Armour. As I get back on HGH my Thyroid will start working again if not

then we will he look at Armour again.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zashes11 <jharvey@...>

> Subject: Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

>

> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 3:49 PM

>

>

> You have a serious rT3 problem causing you to be even more

> hypo than your labs look.  Your FT3/rT3 ratio is 8 and

> it should be over 20.  I would expect that the

> Synthroid would only make your rT3 worse.  You had a

> bad reaction to Armour?  When you say " hyper " do you

> mean it made you anxious?  That could be from low

> ferritin.

>

> When my rT3 was bad I was retaining water in my knee and

> couldn't bend it.  I switched from Armour to Armour +

> T3 for awhile and the swelling finally went down and I could

> bend it again.  I am now on 100% Erfa.  I would

> think you would need to be on a T3-type med, not Synthroid.

> >

> > JMHO,

> > Barb

>

> Wow Barb that is a really good point....with your rT3's

> that high you are going to drive them higher on synthoid. I

> thought the only way to clear them is with T3 only?

>

>

> Judy

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,.....wish I could help like you have tried to help me.

All I can do is hope you get to feeling much better soon!

[Guest guest]

Thanks it will all be good soon just takes time I don't feel all that bad now.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

>

> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:49 PM

> Phil,.....wish I could help like you

> have tried to help me.

> All I can do is hope you get to feeling much better soon!

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I was thinking about your previous symptoms...

Growth Hormone usually lowers your thyroid and cortisol....so perhaps your

cortisol levels may have been causing some of your problems..

Thought it was worth mentioning to keep and eye out for....cause you know if you

cortisol drops your thyroid will go wacky too....

Judy

[Guest guest]

Yep but testing it and we do this every 8 weeks I take my 10 mgs of cortef in

the morning then do a fasting Cortisol lab test on this my labs would come back

at between 9 to 12 on HGH they came back higher 15. So Growth Hormone made my

Thyroid work better and my Adrenals work better. You see in my case it's my

Pituitary not telling my Thyroid or Adrenls to work there is nothing wrong with

them they just don't get the message to work.

My Dr. told me the HGH is helping my Pituitary to heal so we need to keep an eye

on everything.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zashes11 <jharvey@...>

> Subject: Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

>

> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:20 AM

> Phil,

>

> I was thinking about your previous symptoms...

>

> Growth Hormone usually lowers your thyroid and

> cortisol....so perhaps your cortisol levels may have been

> causing some of your problems..

>

> Thought it was worth mentioning to keep and eye out

> for....cause you know if you cortisol drops your thyroid

> will go wacky too....

>

> Judy

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is cool and I hope it is true, but I have never ever heard of it happening

to anyone else...will be interesting to see.

My pitutary does not make any growth hormone and my adrenals are damaged by too

many years of adrenal insufficiency and I too take 4 grains of thyroid....once I

started on GH I had to increase my Armour.

Of course the difference between us that initially started this conversation is

testosterone. You have plenty and have been monitoring yours for years...I just

started adding it back to my body and that was when I got the higher IGF-1. it

used to worry me that I was running around with an IGF-1 so low....

Judy

[Guest guest]

Well I had a good day went to the gym for 90 min's the shopping for an lawn

edger blade 5 stores later I found one I hate shopping. I will get my GH next

week. So far I am doing good on the Synthroid but I can't help but feel

something is off I dumped a lot of water now I am starting to put in back on.

I can feel it in my hands and feet and I am taking some powerful water pills two

kinds.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zashes11 <jharvey@...>

> Subject: Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

>

> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 1:01 PM

>

>

> That is cool and I hope it is true, but I have never ever

> heard of it happening to anyone else...will be interesting

> to see.

>

> My pitutary does not make any growth hormone and my

> adrenals are damaged by too many years of adrenal

> insufficiency and I too take 4 grains of thyroid....once I

> started on GH I had to increase my Armour.

>

> Of course the difference between us that initially started

> this conversation is testosterone. You have plenty and have

> been monitoring yours for years...I just started adding it

> back to my body and that was when I got the higher IGF-1. it

> used to worry me that I was running around with an IGF-1 so

> low....

>

>

> Judy

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

You will probably retain water at first but it should go away...if it gets to be

too much ask your doctor about taking your shot every other day, until you body

get used to the GH. Since you have such a healthy level of T it may take a

while.

usually it take about 6 weeks for your body to adjust to a need dose. I had some

headaches at first and a littel water retention but it did go away...now that I

started the T I find I am holding more water so i am reducing my dose a little.

\the key is to start very low anbd go up very slow.

Judy

>

> Well I had a good day went to the gym for 90 min's the shopping for an lawn

edger blade 5 stores later I found one I hate shopping. I will get my GH next

week. So far I am doing good on the Synthroid but I can't help but feel

something is off I dumped a lot of water now I am starting to put in back on.

> I can feel it in my hands and feet and I am taking some powerful water pills

two kinds.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Yes this is what I am hearing from other guys on HGH at Dr. 's and they are

saying one dose not need as much Testosterone meds on HGH so as this goes on I

will try lowering my T shots they say this will help with the Estradiol problems

I was having. I think HGH fixes the body heals it makes it work better and

higher dosing of hormones are not need on HGH.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zashes11 <jharvey@...>

> Subject: Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

>

> Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 2:48 PM

> You will probably retain water at

> first but it should go away...if it gets to be too much ask

> your doctor about taking your shot every other day, until

> you body get used to the GH. Since you have such a healthy

> level of T it may take a while.

> usually it take about 6 weeks for your body to adjust to a

> need dose. I had some headaches at first and a littel water

> retention but it did go away...now that I started the T I

> find I am holding more water so i am reducing my dose a

> little.

> \the key is to start very low anbd go up very slow.

>

> Judy

>

>

> >

> > Well I had a good day went to the gym for 90 min's the

> shopping for an lawn edger blade 5 stores later I found one

> I hate shopping.  I will get my GH next week.  So

> far I am doing good on the Synthroid but I can't help but

> feel something is off I dumped a lot of water now I am

> starting to put in back on.

> > I can feel it in my hands and feet and I am taking

> some powerful water pills two kinds.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>