Re: Cortisol & weightlifting

July 5, 2010

Phil,

Do you have a link to any info about the positive effect of HC at bedtime? I've

been searching but haven't been able to find anything.

It seems that my sleep is getting worse as my HC dose is ramped up. My last dose

yesterday was at 4:00pm. I'm going to try some at bedtime tonight. I do wake in

sweats but I took my glucose last night. It was 97, so hypoglycemia is out. I

don't think my E2 is elevated.

Take it easy,

Jim

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The results of

> > my 4x

> > > > saliva tests

> > > > > > are back.

> > > > > > > > My doctor

> > > > > > > > > > tells me all levels

> > are

> > > > flatline low

> > > > > > throughout

> > > > > > > > the day.

> > > > > > > > > > This explains how

> > I've been

> > > > feeling.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I've been

> > lifting

> > > > weights for a

> > > > > > few months

> > > > > > > > now. I

> > > > > > > > > > always watch the

> > volume in

> > > > each w.o.,

> > > > > > keeping it

> > > > > > > > low. Could

> > > > > > > > > > weightlifting cause

> > the

> > > > levels to drop?

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > thought

> > > > > > > > > > overtraining (which

> > I don't

> > > > do)causes

> > > > > > elevated

> > > > > > > > cortisol. My

> > > > > > > > > > previous 4x levels

> > were

> > > > normal morning,

> > > > > > dropping

> > > > > > > > low the

> > > > > > > > > > rest of the day.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not on HC

> > but it's

> > > > looking

> > > > > > like I will

> > > > > > > > be now.

> > > > > > > > > > Stopping lifting

> > weights

> > > > isn't an

> > > > > > option. I

> > > > > > > > started to dose

> > > > > > > > > > 1tsp. sea salt

> > 3x/day.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have

> > any thoughts

> > > > on this?

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > Links

> > > > > > > > > >

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July 5, 2010

I from time to time have to do the same thing last time I just took less in the

morning and added it to my bedtime. I only do this when I have problems with

lower sugar levels that wake me up. The last time I only needed to do this for

3 weeks then all was good again.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...>

> Subject: Re: Cortisol & weightlifting

>

> Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 8:44 PM

> Jim you have a wonderful long weekend

> as well. Look forward to hearing how the dosing works for

> you ...I took a bedtime dose for a while, then when my

> daytime cortisol rebounded, the night time worked itself out

> and I was able to sleep..EL

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The

> results of my 4x saliva tests

> > > > > > are back.

> > > > > > > > My doctor

> > > > > > > > > > tells me all

> levels are flatline low

> > > > > > throughout

> > > > > > > > the day.

> > > > > > > > > > This explains

> how I've been feeling.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I've been

> lifting weights for a

> > > > > > few months

> > > > > > > > now. I

> > > > > > > > > > always watch

> the volume in each w.o.,

> > > > > > keeping it

> > > > > > > > low. Could

> > > > > > > > > > weightlifting

> cause the levels to drop?

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > thought

> > > > > > > > > > overtraining

> (which I don't do)causes

> > > > > > elevated

> > > > > > > > cortisol. My

> > > > > > > > > > previous 4x

> levels were normal morning,

> > > > > > dropping

> > > > > > > > low the

> > > > > > > > > > rest of the

> day.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not

> on HC but it's looking

> > > > > > like I will

> > > > > > > > be now.

> > > > > > > > > > Stopping

> lifting weights isn't an

> > > > > > option. I

> > > > > > > > started to dose

> > > > > > > > > > 1tsp. sea salt

> 3x/day.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyone

> have any thoughts on this?

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > > >

> ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

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July 5, 2010

Jim if your E2 is high it will do this do you take anything to keep it down is

so try a little more around 8pm by bedtime it should be working. In this link

at the bottom it talks about sleep problems.

Also Thyroid can do this to you it can change adding HC still you need to do

your temps to see what is going on.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Cortisol & weightlifting

>

> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 8:38 AM

> Phil,

> Do you have a link to any info about the positive effect of

> HC at bedtime? I've been searching but haven't been able to

> find anything.

>

> It seems that my sleep is getting worse as my HC dose is

> ramped up. My last dose yesterday was at 4:00pm. I'm going

> to try some at bedtime tonight. I do wake in sweats but I

> took my glucose last night. It was 97, so hypoglycemia is

> out. I don't think my E2 is elevated.

>

> Take it easy,

>

> Jim

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The

> results of

> > > my 4x

> > > > > saliva tests

> > > > > > > are back.

> > > > > > > > > My doctor

> > > > > > > > > > > tells me

> all levels

> > > are

> > > > > flatline low

> > > > > > > throughout

> > > > > > > > > the day.

> > > > > > > > > > > This

> explains how

> > > I've been

> > > > > feeling.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I've

> been

> > > lifting

> > > > > weights for a

> > > > > > > few months

> > > > > > > > > now. I

> > > > > > > > > > > always

> watch the

> > > volume in

> > > > > each w.o.,

> > > > > > > keeping it

> > > > > > > > > low. Could

> > > > > > > > > > >

> weightlifting cause

> > > the

> > > > > levels to drop?

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > thought

> > > > > > > > > > >

> overtraining (which

> > > I don't

> > > > > do)causes

> > > > > > > elevated

> > > > > > > > > cortisol. My

> > > > > > > > > > > previous

> 4x levels

> > > were

> > > > > normal morning,

> > > > > > > dropping

> > > > > > > > > low the

> > > > > > > > > > > rest of

> the day.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm

> not on HC

> > > but it's

> > > > > looking

> > > > > > > like I will

> > > > > > > > > be now.

> > > > > > > > > > > Stopping

> lifting

> > > weights

> > > > > isn't an

> > > > > > > option. I

> > > > > > > > > started to dose

> > > > > > > > > > > 1tsp. sea

> salt

> > > 3x/day.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Anyone have

> > > any thoughts

> > > > > on this?

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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July 5, 2010

go to bottom

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The results of my 4x saliva tests

> > > > > are back.

> > > > > > > My doctor

> > > > > > > > > tells me all levels are flatline low

> > > > > throughout

> > > > > > > the day.

> > > > > > > > > This explains how I've been feeling.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I've been lifting weights for a

> > > > > few months

> > > > > > > now. I

> > > > > > > > > always watch the volume in each w.o.,

> > > > > keeping it

> > > > > > > low. Could

> > > > > > > > > weightlifting cause the levels to drop?

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > thought

> > > > > > > > > overtraining (which I don't do)causes

> > > > > elevated

> > > > > > > cortisol. My

> > > > > > > > > previous 4x levels were normal morning,

> > > > > dropping

> > > > > > > low the

> > > > > > > > > rest of the day.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I'm not on HC but it's looking

> > > > > like I will

> > > > > > > be now.

> > > > > > > > > Stopping lifting weights isn't an

> > > > > option. I

> > > > > > > started to dose

> > > > > > > > > 1tsp. sea salt 3x/day.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any thoughts on this?

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

July 5, 2010

Ok, I wasn't aware that my posts were difficult to read. Where is there an

explaination on how to trim posts? Would this be done in the " Rich Text Editor "

mode?

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Jim

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The results of my 4x saliva tests

> > > > > > are back.

> > > > > > > > My doctor

> > > > > > > > > > tells me all levels are flatline low

> > > > > > throughout

> > > > > > > > the day.

> > > > > > > > > > This explains how I've been feeling.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I've been lifting weights for a

> > > > > > few months

> > > > > > > > now. I

> > > > > > > > > > always watch the volume in each w.o.,

> > > > > > keeping it

> > > > > > > > low. Could

> > > > > > > > > > weightlifting cause the levels to drop?

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > thought

> > > > > > > > > > overtraining (which I don't do)causes

> > > > > > elevated

> > > > > > > > cortisol. My

> > > > > > > > > > previous 4x levels were normal morning,

> > > > > > dropping

> > > > > > > > low the

> > > > > > > > > > rest of the day.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not on HC but it's looking

> > > > > > like I will

> > > > > > > > be now.

> > > > > > > > > > Stopping lifting weights isn't an

> > > > > > option. I

> > > > > > > > started to dose

> > > > > > > > > > 1tsp. sea salt 3x/day.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any thoughts on this?

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

July 5, 2010

You need to reply to the post then high light what you don't need and hit

delete.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Cortisol & weightlifting

>

> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:59 AM

> Ok, I wasn't aware that my posts were

> difficult to read. Where is there an explaination on how to

> trim posts? Would this be done in the " Rich Text Editor "

> mode?

>

> Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

> Jim

>

> >

> > go to bottom

> >

>

July 6, 2010

>

> EL,

> Yesterday I dosed:

> 5mg 5:00am

> 5mg 9:00am

> 2.5mg 1:00pm

> 2.5mg 4:00pm

>

> My sleep since starting the cortef has really been bad. The 3 hours that I may

have had before started is all but gone. Now I don't really fall asleep, rather

just tose all night. It seems that possibly my sleep is getting worse as my dose

is ramped up. Possibly my system is seeing support during the day, but nothing

during the night.

>

> I'm going to try 2.5mg at bedtime tonight. What do I have to loose? During the

day I no longer shake, so that's a good thing. I now it's not hypoglymenia since

I took my glucose at 2:00am. It was 97.

>

> I see in your reply that you were taking some a bedtime. Phil stated in one of

his replies that a bedtime dose helps some folks.

>

> Take care,

>

> Jim

>

I tried taking 2.5mg before I went to bed. This didn't work. I didn't sleep all

night. Before I started HC, typically in the PM I'd be very tired and ready for

bed. Now I feel somewhat " up " and not ready for bed.

On the NTH forum I found a possible explaination. The person with the insomnia

problem was ramping up the HC. It was stated that the persons adrenal were not

supported enough in the AM, but their adrenals had caught up in the PM, causing

the insomnia.

Today I'm trying:

7.5mg 5:00am

5mg 9:00am

5mg 1:00pm

nothing more after 1:00pm

Then I'm going to try 2mg Melatonin at bedtime with maybe some ZMA.

Any thoughts on this scheme?

July 6, 2010

" jim " <virtuosa150@> wrote:

> Today I'm trying:

> 7.5mg 5:00am

> 5mg 9:00am

> 5mg 1:00pm

> nothing more after 1:00pm

> Then I'm going to try 2mg Melatonin at bedtime with maybe some ZMA.

>

> Any thoughts on this scheme?

You might add 2.5 mg at 5 p.m. I would not recommend melatonin because it

lowers cortisol, and when you supplement HC during the day, you can go low

overnight, and either high or low cortisol will cause insomnia.

If you're just wide awake at bedtime, your cortisol is probably high. If you

feel like you're vibrating, you're low, and you could try a small bedtime dose.

Barb

July 6, 2010

>

> > Today I'm trying:

> > 7.5mg 5:00am

> > 5mg 9:00am

> > 5mg 1:00pm

> > nothing more after 1:00pm

> > Then I'm going to try 2mg Melatonin at bedtime with maybe some ZMA.

> >

> > Any thoughts on this scheme?

>

> You might add 2.5 mg at 5 p.m. I would not recommend melatonin because it

lowers cortisol, and when you supplement HC during the day, you can go low

overnight, and either high or low cortisol will cause insomnia.

>

> If you're just wide awake at bedtime, your cortisol is probably high. If you

feel like you're vibrating, you're low, and you could try a small bedtime dose.

>

> Barb

>

Barb,

Yesterday I dosed 2.5mg HC at 4:00pm and 2.5mg 10:00pm. I felt wide awake.

I think that possibly HC doesn't leave my system in 4 hours as many others claim

it does.

Before starting HC 1 week ago, I would typically feel tired in the PM, ready for

sleep. I would be able to fall asleep, although I would wake up about 2.5 hours

later.

Now I feel awake in the PM, leading me to believe that possibly the cortisol is

too high. Today I'll be stopping the HC at 1:00pm with melatonin at bedtime.

What's the worse that could happen, another sleepless night?

Thanks for your reply.

July 6, 2010

> Yesterday I dosed 2.5mg HC at 4:00pm and 2.5mg 10:00pm. I felt wide awake.

This is because you didn't take enough as your first morning dose to suppress

yourself for the rest of the day. Also, a bedtime dose needs to be taken when

you're in bed, ready to hit the pillow. If 10 p.m. was not your actual bedtime,

it would keep you awake.

> I think that possibly HC doesn't leave my system in 4 hours as many others

claim it does.

I disagree. I think your dosing just needs fine-tuning.

> Now I feel awake in the PM, leading me to believe that possibly the cortisol

is too high.

It could be, since you didn't suppress yourself with a high enough dose.

>Today I'll be stopping the HC at 1:00pm with melatonin at bedtime. What's the

worse that could happen, another sleepless night?

You may feel shaky or anxious way before then, in which case do take the 5 p.m.

dose. Also, 2 mg of melatonin can be way too much. Many do better with .5 mg

or less. Sweet dreams!

Barb

July 6, 2010

Yes try this but what is going on here is your not supported yet you need to

work your way up to 20mgs a day hold this for 30 days takeing your temps. What

might be going on here is your body is make it's own Cortisol at a higher amount

later in the day. As you get supported this will stop as you get up to 20 mgs

try 10mgs morning 5mgs noon then 5 mgs dinner but wait until your temps avg. is

not going up or down more then 2ths day to day. So for now try this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Cortisol & weightlifting

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 10:17 AM

>

> >

> > EL,

> > Yesterday I dosed:

> > 5mg 5:00am

> > 5mg 9:00am

> > 2.5mg 1:00pm

> > 2.5mg 4:00pm

> >

> > My sleep since starting the cortef has really been

> bad. The 3 hours that I may have had before started is all

> but gone. Now I don't really fall asleep, rather just tose

> all night. It seems that possibly my sleep is getting worse

> as my dose is ramped up. Possibly my system is seeing

> support during the day, but nothing during the night.

> >

> > I'm going to try 2.5mg at bedtime tonight. What do I

> have to loose? During the day I no longer shake, so that's a

> good thing. I now it's not hypoglymenia since I took my

> glucose at 2:00am. It was 97.

> >

> > I see in your reply that you were taking some a

> bedtime. Phil stated in one of his replies that a bedtime

> dose helps some folks.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> > Jim

> >

>

> I tried taking 2.5mg before I went to bed. This didn't

> work. I didn't sleep all night. Before I started HC,

> typically in the PM I'd be very tired and ready for bed. Now

> I feel somewhat " up " and not ready for bed.

>

> On the NTH forum I found a possible explaination. The

> person with the insomnia problem was ramping up the HC. It

> was stated that the persons adrenal were not supported

> enough in the AM, but their adrenals had caught up in the

> PM, causing the insomnia.

>

> Today I'm trying:

> 7.5mg 5:00am

> 5mg 9:00am

> 5mg 1:00pm

> nothing more after 1:00pm

> Then I'm going to try 2mg Melatonin at bedtime with maybe

> some ZMA.

>

> Any thoughts on this scheme?

>

> ------------------------------------

>

July 7, 2010

>

> > Today I'm trying:

> > 7.5mg 5:00am

> > 5mg 9:00am

> > 5mg 1:00pm

> > nothing more after 1:00pm

> > Then I'm going to try 2mg Melatonin at bedtime with maybe some ZMA.

> >

> > Any thoughts on this scheme?

>

> You might add 2.5 mg at 5 p.m. I would not recommend melatonin because

it lowers cortisol, and when you supplement HC during the day, you can

go low overnight, and either high or low cortisol will cause insomnia.

>

> If you're just wide awake at bedtime, your cortisol is probably high.

If you feel like you're vibrating, you're low, and you could try a small

bedtime dose.

>

> Barb

>

This dosing schedule worked to a limited degree. I was able to fall

asleep, but woke up and restless throughout the night.

This morning I was shakey. So Barb was right. I should add some HC as a

early PM dose.

This morning at 5:00am I took 10mg HC. I just took an additional 5mg at

9:00. I'm going to try 5mg at 12:00 and 2.5mg at 5:00pm. If I feel too

awake before I go to bed, I'm going to a sublingual melatonin and 1mg

sustained release melatonin.

July 7, 2010

Jim, so that you don't become discouraged, know that it takes a lot of trial and

error to get HC dosing right. I know about this because I went through it

trying to get hubby's dose right.

The higher you start your first dose, the more you suppress your own cortisol

levels for the day. Because you already bumped up to 10 today, you will have to

continue supplementing through the day, and may even need a bedtime dose. The

lowest dose you can get away with is probably best.

Barb

> >

> > > Today I'm trying:

> > > 7.5mg 5:00am

> > > 5mg 9:00am

> > > 5mg 1:00pm

> > > nothing more after 1:00pm

> > > Then I'm going to try 2mg Melatonin at bedtime with maybe some ZMA.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts on this scheme?

> >

> > You might add 2.5 mg at 5 p.m. I would not recommend melatonin because

> it lowers cortisol, and when you supplement HC during the day, you can

> go low overnight, and either high or low cortisol will cause insomnia.

> >

> > If you're just wide awake at bedtime, your cortisol is probably high.

> If you feel like you're vibrating, you're low, and you could try a small

> bedtime dose.

> >

> > Barb

> >

>

> This dosing schedule worked to a limited degree. I was able to fall

> asleep, but woke up and restless throughout the night.

>

> This morning I was shakey. So Barb was right. I should add some HC as a

> early PM dose.

>

> This morning at 5:00am I took 10mg HC. I just took an additional 5mg at

> 9:00. I'm going to try 5mg at 12:00 and 2.5mg at 5:00pm. If I feel too

> awake before I go to bed, I'm going to a sublingual melatonin and 1mg

> sustained release melatonin.

>

July 7, 2010

>

> Jim, so that you don't become discouraged, know that it takes a lot of trial

and error to get HC dosing right. I know about this because I went through it

trying to get hubby's dose right.

>

> The higher you start your first dose, the more you suppress your own cortisol

levels for the day. Because you already bumped up to 10 today, you will have to

continue supplementing through the day, and may even need a bedtime dose. The

lowest dose you can get away with is probably best.

>

> Barb

Thanks Barb. It's a bit challenging finding what works but it will be well worth

it in the end. What total dose for the day is your husband on? Does he sleep

well, or dose he need sleep aids?

Jim

July 7, 2010

> Thanks Barb. It's a bit challenging finding what works but it will be well

worth it in the end. What total dose for the day is your husband on? Does he

sleep well, or dose he need sleep aids?

The only reason we put him on HC was so that he could add thyroid meds. Your

thyroid HAS been tested, right? Anyway, he got up to 40 mg HC, trying to

tolerate the recommended 3 grains that other groups push. Both were too much.

Once he lowered to 2 grains, he didn't need as much HC and currently does not

take any on a daily basis, but occasionally stress doses if he gets shaky from a

stressful day.

He generally sleeps well now with no aids, but when ramping up the HC, there

were many sleepless nights. I think his best dose was something like 7.5, 5, 5,

2.5 (which you almost did yesterday!)

Barb

July 7, 2010

Jim I still take a low dose of Xanax .25 mgs Dr. whats me to stay on this to

keep me from having a Panic Attack in the middle of the night I also take some

melatonin 3 mgs at bedtime been on this for yrs. Yes they say it lowers your

Cortisol levels but this is what we are doing lowing the output of Cortisol from

the over worked Adrenals. So when we take HC Cortef to support the Adrenals we

are slowing down it's out put of cortisol.

Melatonin will not lower your HC meds that I know of. I take at bedtime ZMA

this helps with feeling restless, I also take Iodoral (12.5 mg),TMG 750mgs this

is for my Heart but some of it turns into SamE and helps one sleep and I take a

l-Arginine and l-Orthinine 750 mg, Twinlab.

I sleep good what you now need to do is keep with this dosing give it 30 days it

should get better by the day.

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Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Cortisol & weightlifting

>

> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:28 AM

>

> >

> > > Today I'm trying:

> > > 7.5mg 5:00am

> > > 5mg 9:00am

> > > 5mg 1:00pm

> > > nothing more after 1:00pm

> > > Then I'm going to try 2mg Melatonin at bedtime

> with maybe some ZMA.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts on this scheme?

> >

> > You might add 2.5 mg at 5 p.m. I would not recommend

> melatonin because

> it lowers cortisol, and when you supplement HC during the

> day, you can

> go low overnight, and either high or low cortisol will

> cause insomnia.

> >

> > If you're just wide awake at bedtime, your cortisol is

> probably high.

> If you feel like you're vibrating, you're low, and you

> could try a small

> bedtime dose.

> >

> > Barb

> >

>

> This dosing schedule worked to a limited degree. I was able

> to fall

> asleep, but woke up and restless throughout the night.

>

> This morning I was shakey. So Barb was right. I should add

> some HC as a

> early PM dose.

>

> This morning at 5:00am I took 10mg HC. I just took an

> additional 5mg at

> 9:00. I'm going to try 5mg at 12:00 and 2.5mg at 5:00pm. If

> I feel too

> awake before I go to bed, I'm going to a sublingual

> melatonin and 1mg

> sustained release melatonin.

>

July 7, 2010

>

> This morning at 5:00am I took 10mg HC. I just took an additional 5mg at

> 9:00. I'm going to try 5mg at 12:00 and 2.5mg at 5:00pm. If I feel too

> awake before I go to bed, I'm going to a sublingual melatonin and 1mg

> sustained release melatonin.

>

> It's now 12:30 and feel jittery. So far today I've taken a total of 15mg

cortef. Am I feeling shakey because of too much HC? I've been shaky all morning.

I was planning to take 5mg soon but I don't know why I'm feeling this way

presently.

>

July 7, 2010

You need more.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Cortisol & weightlifting

>

> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 12:22 PM

>

> >

> > This morning at 5:00am I took 10mg HC. I just took an

> additional 5mg at

> > 9:00. I'm going to try 5mg at 12:00 and 2.5mg at

> 5:00pm. If I feel too

> > awake before I go to bed, I'm going to a sublingual

> melatonin and 1mg

> > sustained release melatonin.

> >

> > It's now 12:30 and feel jittery. So far today I've

> taken a total of 15mg cortef. Am I feeling shakey because of

> too much HC? I've been shaky all morning. I was planning to

> take 5mg soon but I don't know why I'm feeling this way

> presently.

> >

July 7, 2010

I guess going from 1:00pm yesterday to 5:ooam today without HC was a bad idea.

> >

> > >

> > > This morning at 5:00am I took 10mg HC. I just took an

> > additional 5mg at

> > > 9:00. I'm going to try 5mg at 12:00 and 2.5mg at

> > 5:00pm. If I feel too

> > > awake before I go to bed, I'm going to a sublingual

> > melatonin and 1mg

> > > sustained release melatonin.

> > >

> > > It's now 12:30 and feel jittery. So far today I've

> > taken a total of 15mg cortef. Am I feeling shakey because of

> > too much HC? I've been shaky all morning. I was planning to

> > take 5mg soon but I don't know why I'm feeling this way

> > presently.

> > >

July 7, 2010

Yes if you read this from the book " Safe Uses of Cortisol " you will see you can

take this and be safe on it.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Cortisol & weightlifting

>

> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 1:26 PM

> I guess going from 1:00pm yesterday

> to 5:ooam today without HC was a bad idea.

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > This morning at 5:00am I took 10mg HC. I

> just took an

> > > additional 5mg at

> > > > 9:00. I'm going to try 5mg at 12:00 and

> 2.5mg at

> > > 5:00pm. If I feel too

> > > > awake before I go to bed, I'm going to a

> sublingual

> > > melatonin and 1mg

> > > > sustained release melatonin.

> > > >

> > > > It's now 12:30 and feel jittery. So far

> today I've

> > > taken a total of 15mg cortef. Am I feeling shakey

> because of

> > > too much HC? I've been shaky all morning. I was

> planning to

> > > take 5mg soon but I don't know why I'm feeling

> this way

> > > presently.

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

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