Testosterone Replacement and Male Boobs

[Guest guest]

I've been taking Androgel for 13 months. My T-Levels are back to normal, and

all is well. One problem is that I'm starting to develop male breasts, even with

regular workout and upper body work, (ie pushups). When I wear shirts they are

stating to show. Not good, as I'm in great shape otherwise.

Are there any supplements or other non-surgical means I can entertain to

eliminate male boobs??? Perhaps somehing over the counter, natural remedy?

Gradually taking myself off of Androgel is last option, yet I'm very self

consciense about this. I'm 41 and in process of dating, so not all to happy

about this!

Thanks all, enjoy the long holiday weekend!

[Guest guest]

It sounds to me like your estradiol might be higher than normal. This is one of

the symptoms. Especially with you on Androgel. Some of your T is getting

converted to E2 (estradiol), a female sex hormone. You should probably get a

blood test to check it. Indoplex DIM is one thing that you can get OTC to lower

it. A lot of men on here use it with great success. But if your E2 is extremely

high, I don't know how successful you will be with DIM, you might have to use

Arimidex. This is a powerful prescription med that works great. I am sure other

more knowledgeable guys will chime in to steer you in the right direction.

>

> I've been taking Androgel for 13 months. My T-Levels are back to normal, and

all is well. One problem is that I'm starting to develop male breasts, even with

regular workout and upper body work, (ie pushups). When I wear shirts they are

stating to show. Not good, as I'm in great shape otherwise.

> Are there any supplements or other non-surgical means I can entertain to

eliminate male boobs??? Perhaps somehing over the counter, natural remedy?

> Gradually taking myself off of Androgel is last option, yet I'm very self

consciense about this. I'm 41 and in process of dating, so not all to happy

about this!

> Thanks all, enjoy the long holiday weekend!

>

[Guest guest]

Most men get gyno form high Estradiol levels test this doing a Quest labs

sensitive test for Estradiol #4021 or a LabCorp Sensitive test. Quest labs test

range is 13 to 54 pg/ml the best range for Estradiol in men is about 20 if your

SHBG is mid rage. So do this set of labs for Testosterone with Quest you get

SHBG with this test number.

Testosterone, Free, Bioavailable & Total LC/MS/MS Code # 14966X.

If your levels are high taking Arimidex will bring them down here is copy of a

file I made about taking it and a file about Indolplex/DIM if you can't get your

Dr. to give you Arimidex.

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How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

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ALL ABOUT DIM.

Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s

out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose

not get killed in your stomach when you take it.

Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which

promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men.

http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm

in this link it's full of links about it.

http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html

http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full

If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work

open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps

to keep it from getting killed in your stomach.

The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM.

http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html

http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\

xt-dim

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

http://www.estrobalance.net/

http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71

http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html

http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\

Code=156497

http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \

utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\

019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA

http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\

ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336

http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html

How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2

weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high

you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml.

When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong

it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what

I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going

down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on

the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but

your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200

to 300 points.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ganggreen54 <ganggreen54@...>

> Subject: Testosterone Replacement and " Male Boobs "

>

> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 7:12 AM

> I've been taking Androgel for 13

> months.  My T-Levels are back to normal, and all is

> well. One problem is that I'm starting to develop male

> breasts, even with regular workout and upper body work, (ie

> pushups).  When I wear shirts they are stating to

> show.  Not good, as I'm in great shape otherwise. 

>

> Are there any supplements or other non-surgical means I can

> entertain to eliminate male boobs???  Perhaps somehing

> over the counter, natural remedy?

> Gradually taking myself off of Androgel is last option, yet

> I'm very self consciense about this.  I'm 41 and in

> process of dating, so not all to happy about this!

> Thanks all, enjoy the long holiday weekend!

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks you!

>

> > From: ganggreen54 <ganggreen54@...>

> > Subject: Testosterone Replacement and " Male Boobs "

> >

> > Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 7:12 AM

> > I've been taking Androgel for 13

> > months.  My T-Levels are back to normal, and all is

> > well. One problem is that I'm starting to develop male

> > breasts, even with regular workout and upper body work, (ie

> > pushups).  When I wear shirts they are stating to

> > show.  Not good, as I'm in great shape otherwise. 

> >

> > Are there any supplements or other non-surgical means I can

> > entertain to eliminate male boobs???  Perhaps somehing

> > over the counter, natural remedy?

> > Gradually taking myself off of Androgel is last option, yet

> > I'm very self consciense about this.  I'm 41 and in

> > process of dating, so not all to happy about this!

> > Thanks all, enjoy the long holiday weekend!

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Maybe gynecomastia manifests differently in different men.

Did you have soreness/pain/tenderness in the region?

I have it and man, it hurts.

I guess I'm asking whether you're sure you have it.

It seems to me that it's more than just fat over the pecs.

In my case, I can actually feel firm breast tissue (about the size of a dime)

developing.

>

> I've been taking Androgel for 13 months. My T-Levels are back to normal, and

all is well. One problem is that I'm starting to develop male breasts, even with

regular workout and upper body work, (ie pushups). When I wear shirts they are

stating to show. Not good, as I'm in great shape otherwise.

> Are there any supplements or other non-surgical means I can entertain to

eliminate male boobs??? Perhaps somehing over the counter, natural remedy?

> Gradually taking myself off of Androgel is last option, yet I'm very self

consciense about this. I'm 41 and in process of dating, so not all to happy

about this!

> Thanks all, enjoy the long holiday weekend!

>