Re: bloodwork, low testosterone

[Guest guest]

When dealing with T levels you need to look at factors that can affect it

bioavailablity to the body which involves shbg, e2, thyroid, adrenal function.

A total testosteorne is basically useless. Are you experiencing depression,

fatigue, lack of hair growth , impaired muscle growth or recovery, inability to

maintain erections. If so then things need to be further investigated other

wise this is an exceptable level for a male despite what people claim.

>

> Hello,

>

> I am new to this group. 27 years. Would like to know if my testosterone level

at my age is optimal. If not, what to check more and what to do.

> I also have thyroid/adrenal problems and treating.

>

>

> Testosterone 506 range 245-1600

>

>

> Antanas

>

[Guest guest]

Hi antanss_aradas and Welcome,

Yes your levels are on the low side for your labs range 1600 my old lab had a

range like this it's not a good test to go by. I would redo them at Quest labs

or Labcorp. Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A recipe for Success in

this are labs you need and why. You need to figure out why your levels are this

low before going on TRT. If you find a problem and fix it your levels will come

back up.

Going on TRT is for life things like high Estraidol can lower your Testosterone

levels.

So I don't have to type all of this over again today read this reply to a post I

did this morning.

/message/66126

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: bloodwork, low testosterone

>

> Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:22 PM

> Hello,

>

> I am new to this group. 27 years. Would like to know if my

> testosterone level at my age is optimal. If not, what to

> check more and what to do.

> I also have thyroid/adrenal problems and treating.

>

>

> Testosterone 506 range 245-1600

>

>

> Antanas

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Depending on other factors etc, some people feel fine at this level.

 

________________________________

From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 10:22:10 AM

Subject: bloodwork, low testosterone

 

Hello,

I am new to this group. 27 years. Would like to know if my testosterone level at

my age is optimal. If not, what to check more and what to do.

I also have thyroid/adrenal problems and treating.

Testosterone 506 range 245-1600

Antanas

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Thank you for answer. I have thyroid problem(hashimoto), adrenal fatigue. I

take 25 HC and trying to increase T3.

My symptoms of course mix of thyroid, adrenal and maybe T as well.

Fatigue, headaches, intolerance to sport, depression.

Anyway i don't experiencing lack of hair growth or inability to maintain

erections.

Is it possible to fix T by itself, when you will fix thyroid/adrenals?

Antanas

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am new to this group. 27 years. Would like to know if my testosterone

level at my age is optimal. If not, what to check more and what to do.

> > I also have thyroid/adrenal problems and treating.

> >

> >

> > Testosterone 506 range 245-1600

> >

> >

> > Antanas

> >

>

[Guest guest]

opps I did not see the reference range. So yes they are low and now you need to

explore why they are low. In many cases I have seen low level in males and I

ask them did you have a cold at that time. After stop and thinking they where

like yes I was just getting over one. The suppression or stimulation of the

immune system of a simple cold can reduce T levels by 30-40%. So as phil suggest

I would look into the reason why which can range from lifestyle, nutritonal,

emotional and psychological stress, biological,neurological, immunology, or

environmental issues. These are the areas that I explore in dept.

>

> > From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> > Subject: bloodwork, low testosterone

> >

> > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:22 PM

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am new to this group. 27 years. Would like to know if my

> > testosterone level at my age is optimal. If not, what to

> > check more and what to do.

> > I also have thyroid/adrenal problems and treating.

> >

> >

> > Testosterone 506 range 245-1600

> >

> >

> > Antanas

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hertoghr says total must be in the top 25% of the range. Mine was at THE bottom

range when I came to see him in March last year.

I still dont Get what is what with testosterone though.

Total

Free

Index

My index was always at like 99% which I was told by several docs was great. Even

with low tange total T.

Now my total is very high BUT My index is lower at 94%.

What's up with that?

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 9. jan. 2011 kl. 18.41 skrev " hardasnails1973 "

<hardasnails1973@...>:

When dealing with T levels you need to look at factors that can affect it

bioavailablity to the body which involves shbg, e2, thyroid, adrenal function. A

total testosteorne is basically useless. Are you experiencing depression,

fatigue, lack of hair growth , impaired muscle growth or recovery, inability to

maintain erections. If so then things need to be further investigated other wise

this is an exceptable level for a male despite what people claim.

>

> Hello,

>

> I am new to this group. 27 years. Would like to know if my testosterone level

at my age is optimal. If not, what to check more and what to do.

> I also have thyroid/adrenal problems and treating.

>

>

> Testosterone 506 range 245-1600

>

>

> Antanas

>

[Guest guest]

That is OK Hard as allways we are a team. Your just getting so dam good at this

I can't keep up with you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: bloodwork, low testosterone

>

> Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:50 PM

> opps I did not see the reference

> range.  So yes they are low and now you need to explore

> why they are low.  In many cases I have seen low level

> in males and I ask them did you have a cold at that time.

> After stop and thinking they where like yes I was just

> getting over one.  The suppression or stimulation of

> the immune system of a simple cold can reduce T levels by

> 30-40%. So as phil suggest I would look into the reason why

> which can range from lifestyle, nutritonal, emotional and

> psychological stress, biological,neurological, immunology,

> or environmental issues. These are the areas that I explore

> in dept.

>

>

> >

> > > From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> > > Subject: bloodwork, low

> testosterone

> > >

> > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:22 PM

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > >  I am new to this group. 27 years. Would

> like to know if my

> > > testosterone level at my age is optimal. If not,

> what to

> > > check more and what to do.

> > > I also have thyroid/adrenal problems and

> treating.

> > >

> > >

> > > Testosterone 506 range 245-1600

> > >

> > >

> > > Antanas

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Phil if it wasn't for guys like you dr john, dr mariano i would not have been

able to excell as fast as I have. By continuing my education by attending

professional seminar and lectures, email access to some of the most brillant

minds in the field, past self experiemention I am constantly honing my skills.

One has to stay sharp and on top of things in this ever changing field.

> > >

> > > > From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@>

> > > > Subject: bloodwork, low

> > testosterone

> > > >

> > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:22 PM

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > >  I am new to this group. 27 years. Would

> > like to know if my

> > > > testosterone level at my age is optimal. If not,

> > what to

> > > > check more and what to do.

> > > > I also have thyroid/adrenal problems and

> > treating.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Testosterone 506 range 245-1600

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Antanas

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes we are a work in progress and I must say your great at this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: bloodwork, low testosterone

>

> Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 1:22 PM

> Phil if it wasn't for guys like you

> dr john, dr mariano i would not have been able to excell as

> fast as I have. By continuing my education by attending

> professional seminar and lectures, email access to some of

> the most brillant minds in the field, past self

> experiemention I am constantly honing my skills. One has to

> stay sharp and on top of things in this ever changing field.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: antanas_aradas

> <antanas_aradas@>

> > > > > Subject: bloodwork, low

> > > testosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:22

> PM

> > > > > Hello,

> > > > >

> > > > >  I am new to this group. 27 years.

> Would

> > > like to know if my

> > > > > testosterone level at my age is

> optimal. If not,

> > > what to

> > > > > check more and what to do.

> > > > > I also have thyroid/adrenal problems

> and

> > > treating.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone 506 range 245-1600

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Antanas

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I have just learned how to think out side the box while isolating the cause in a

timely matter validated with clincal data. I am still in contact with Dr

Brownstein Center. He is just busy with his little girl and has not gotten back

to me yet. One thing dr J told me is to always have back up.

>

> Yes we are a work in progress and I must say your great at this.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

Hard I just read that Dr. Brownstein said some where that being on Statin Drugs

and having the damage like I have he was quoted as saying stopping Statin Drugs

the still keep doing the damage long after you stop them. If this is true this

might be why it takes so long to recover from this problem.

I don't know if you can ask him about this but if you can it would help.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: bloodwork, low testosterone

>

> Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 1:37 PM

> I have just learned how to think out

> side the box while isolating the cause in a timely matter

> validated with clincal data.  I am still in contact

> with Dr Brownstein Center. He is just busy with his little

> girl and has not gotten back to me yet. One thing dr J told

> me is to always have back up.

>

>

> >

> > Yes we are a work in progress and I must say your

> great at this.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

One question is could the statin drugs start some kind dangerous cellular

reaction altering some sort of cellular signaling we are unaware off?

> > >

> > > Yes we are a work in progress and I must say your

> > great at this.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Here is what some one with my stain problem posted to me from specedoc.com. If

you talk to him and have time ask him about this.

====================================================

My friend is a medical doc and a chiropractor and is the person who has been my

teacher in craniosacral therapy. She called me from the course and said, you are

not going to believe this, but Dr. Brownstein says that the half life of statins

is ______. I believe she said something like years... I posted something on this

forum at the time, excited that there might be a reason why some of us continue

to have new symptoms like we were still on statins, when we, in fact, had

stopped them months to years before. I Googled around and could not find

anything else like that, so I ordered his book. I will read with a fine tooth

comb, but on first, hasty, pass, I am not finding anything. (Darn!) I have put

in a call to my colleague, and she will be calling back...I want to get to the

bottom of what he said!

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: bloodwork, low testosterone

>

> Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 2:17 PM

> One question is could the statin

> drugs start some kind dangerous cellular reaction altering

> some sort of cellular signaling we are unaware off?

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Yes we are a work in progress and I must say

> your

> > > great at this.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I emailed angela his assistant in handling his cases:

,

When you get a chance an you ask Dr B when statin drugs are stopped does the

damage continue at cellular levels. If so how long till the body is able to

repair it self from the damage caused from these drugs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes we are a work in progress and I must say

> > your

> > > > great at this.

> > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > Phil

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks If it takes a long time this might explain why so many take so long to

heal and others keep getting worse.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: bloodwork, low testosterone

>

> Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 3:43 PM

> I emailed angela his assistant in

> handling his cases:

>

> ,

> When you get a chance an you ask Dr B when statin drugs are

> stopped does the damage continue at cellular levels. 

> If so how long till the body is able to repair it self from

> the damage caused from these drugs.

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes we are a work in progress and

> I must say

> > > your

> > > > > great at this.

> > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > Phil

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I am thinking about TRT together until i resolve my RT3/adrenal problem. Dr

Peatfield think that my T is low due to thyroid/adrenal problem and should come

up later.

TRT is for life, but if you stop TRT, then your natural T output will be the

same like before TRT? As i understand, all glads(including testes) starts to

make hormones(if they can) after suppression stops.

I think about TRT, because hertoghe say - nearly everyone who take HC(i am on

25HC) need to take T or DHEA to compensate cortisol catabolic effect and my T is

low. I don't want to dig deep why my T, because it probably due to

thyroid/adrenal

Few questions:

1. What should be total T blood serum ranges? I am want to tests again, but want

to find right lab.

2. What is natural T? Can it be in pills?

Thanks for advices

Antanas

Antanas

>

> Hi antanss_aradas and Welcome,

>

> Yes your levels are on the low side for your labs range 1600 my old lab had a

range like this it's not a good test to go by. I would redo them at Quest labs

or Labcorp. Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A recipe for Success in

this are labs you need and why. You need to figure out why your levels are this

low before going on TRT. If you find a problem and fix it your levels will come

back up.

>

> Going on TRT is for life things like high Estraidol can lower your

Testosterone levels.

>

> So I don't have to type all of this over again today read this reply to a post

I did this morning.

> /message/66126

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what your thinking I hear Dr.'s say maybe if your get your low

Cortiol and Thyroid levels up your Testosterone will come up. I have yet to see

this happen and to get leveled on HC and Thyroid meds can take a good Year. Why

suffer here is a link to levels by age.

http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels-in-men.html

I you think you can go on TRT until your stable on HC and Thyroid meds them come

off TRT to see if your Testosteone levels will come back up.

I don't think so what going on Testosterone is a steroid and like men in sports

that do steroids they need to cycle off them taking stuff to jump start there

HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis) again.

Going on TRT is suppressing HPTA and only a few Dr.'s in the USA are anygood at

jump starting it again. The thing is if your levels are below the normal range

250 or less fixing bad Adreals and Thyroid are not going to fix your low levels.

So you need to run tests making sure you don't have a health problem lowering

your T levels like this.

It is said what came first the Chicken or the Egg. Low T or Low Cortiosl and

Thyroid.

This is why I tell men find out why your low and if it can't be fixed go on TRT

after all it's for life.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: Re: bloodwork, low testosterone

>

> Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 5:51 AM

>

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I am thinking about TRT together until i resolve my

> RT3/adrenal problem. Dr Peatfield think that my T is low due

> to thyroid/adrenal problem and should come up later.

>

> TRT is for life, but if you stop TRT, then your natural T

> output will be the same like before TRT? As i understand,

> all glads(including testes) starts to make hormones(if they

> can) after suppression stops.

>

> I think about TRT, because hertoghe say - nearly everyone

> who take HC(i am on 25HC) need to take T or DHEA to

> compensate cortisol catabolic effect and my T is low. I

> don't want to dig deep why my T, because it probably due to

> thyroid/adrenal

>

> Few questions:

>

> 1. What should be total T blood serum ranges? I am want to

> tests again, but want to find right lab.

> 2. What is natural T? Can it be in pills?

>

> Thanks for advices

>

> Antanas

>

> Antanas

>

>

> >

> > Hi antanss_aradas and Welcome,

> >

> > Yes your levels are on the low side for your labs

> range 1600 my old lab had a range like this it's not a good

> test to go by.  I would redo them at Quest labs or

> Labcorp.   Go to www.allthingsmale.com and

> read TRT: A recipe for Success in this are labs you need and

> why.  You need to figure out why your levels are this

> low before going on TRT.  If you find a problem and fix

> it your levels will come back up.

> >

> > Going on TRT is for life things like high Estraidol

> can lower your Testosterone levels.

> >

> > So I don't have to type all of this over again today

> read this reply to a post I did this morning.

> > /message/66126

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>