Re: Confused about Shippen's Estradiol Numbers

[Guest guest]

Years ago we went over this and over this then one of Shippens men posted at

Meso when Dr. ran the forum that it was a typo in his book.

A lot has changed from the time his book came out it is very dated. We now know

the lower your SHBG is the lower you need to keep your E2 levels. My SHBG is 18

to 20 I keep my E2 between 15 to 20 pg/ml.

I have a new book I am reading the Author sent me an autografed copy called

" Testosterone: A Man's Guide " So far this is a great book a must read.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cylonhippy <cylonhippy@...>

> Subject: Confused about Shippen's Estradiol Numbers

>

> Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 10:45 AM

> I have been avidly reading Dr. Eugene

> Shippen's book, " The Testosterone Syndrome. "   His

> chapter on estrogen is enlightening but also

> confusing.  At pages 55-57, he refers to the estradiol

> levels of various men in the range between 20 and 58

> ng/dL.  He suggests that good numbers are around 20 or

> 30.

>

> Those numbers are consistent with the healthy levels I've

> seen reported here and elsewhere.  However, the units

> are wrong!  Here, we talk about healthy levels being

> around 20 or 30 pg/mL.

>

> 1 ng/dL = 10 pg/mL

>

> Therefore, an estradiol level of 30 ng/dL is actually 300

> pg/dL, ten times too high!  Is this an error in

> Shippen's book, or is there something else going on? 

> Can different assays differ from one another by a factor of

> 10?

>

> I'd really appreciate some help understanding this.

>

> Thanks, CH

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll order a copy. You are the man, Phil. Thanks!

>

> > From: cylonhippy <cylonhippy@...>

> > Subject: Confused about Shippen's Estradiol Numbers

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 10:45 AM

> > I have been avidly reading Dr. Eugene

> > Shippen's book, " The Testosterone Syndrome. "   His

> > chapter on estrogen is enlightening but also

> > confusing.  At pages 55-57, he refers to the estradiol

> > levels of various men in the range between 20 and 58

> > ng/dL.  He suggests that good numbers are around 20 or

> > 30.

> >

> > Those numbers are consistent with the healthy levels I've

> > seen reported here and elsewhere.  However, the units

> > are wrong!  Here, we talk about healthy levels being

> > around 20 or 30 pg/mL.

> >

> > 1 ng/dL = 10 pg/mL

> >

> > Therefore, an estradiol level of 30 ng/dL is actually 300

> > pg/dL, ten times too high!  Is this an error in

> > Shippen's book, or is there something else going on? 

> > Can different assays differ from one another by a factor of

> > 10?

> >

> > I'd really appreciate some help understanding this.

> >

> > Thanks, CH

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Great the Author is Vergel,BsChe,MBA.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cylonhippy <cylonhippy@...>

> Subject: Re: Confused about Shippen's Estradiol Numbers

>

> Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 12:40 PM

> I'll order a copy.  You are the

> man, Phil.  Thanks!

>

>

> >

> > > From: cylonhippy <cylonhippy@...>

> > > Subject: Confused about Shippen's

> Estradiol Numbers

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 10:45 AM

> > > I have been avidly reading Dr. Eugene

> > > Shippen's book, " The Testosterone Syndrome. "  

> His

> > > chapter on estrogen is enlightening but also

> > > confusing.  At pages 55-57, he refers to the

> estradiol

> > > levels of various men in the range between 20 and

> 58

> > > ng/dL.  He suggests that good numbers are around

> 20 or

> > > 30.

> > >

> > > Those numbers are consistent with the healthy

> levels I've

> > > seen reported here and elsewhere.  However, the

> units

> > > are wrong!  Here, we talk about healthy levels

> being

> > > around 20 or 30 pg/mL.

> > >

> > > 1 ng/dL = 10 pg/mL

> > >

> > > Therefore, an estradiol level of 30 ng/dL is

> actually 300

> > > pg/dL, ten times too high!  Is this an error in

> > > Shippen's book, or is there something else going

> on? 

> > > Can different assays differ from one another by a

> factor of

> > > 10?

> > >

> > > I'd really appreciate some help understanding

> this.

> > >

> > > Thanks, CH

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I just went to Amazon and read the section of the book dealing with hCG.

Pertaining to my earlier post about hCG safety, Vergel wrote that there are no

long term studies of hCG covering a period of time longer than 2 years.

> > >

> > > > From: cylonhippy <cylonhippy@>

> > > > Subject: Confused about Shippen's

> > Estradiol Numbers

> > > >

> > > > Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 10:45 AM

> > > > I have been avidly reading Dr. Eugene

> > > > Shippen's book, " The Testosterone Syndrome. "  

> > His

> > > > chapter on estrogen is enlightening but also

> > > > confusing.  At pages 55-57, he refers to the

> > estradiol

> > > > levels of various men in the range between 20 and

> > 58

> > > > ng/dL.  He suggests that good numbers are around

> > 20 or

> > > > 30.

> > > >

> > > > Those numbers are consistent with the healthy

> > levels I've

> > > > seen reported here and elsewhere.  However, the

> > units

> > > > are wrong!  Here, we talk about healthy levels

> > being

> > > > around 20 or 30 pg/mL.

> > > >

> > > > 1 ng/dL = 10 pg/mL

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, an estradiol level of 30 ng/dL is

> > actually 300

> > > > pg/dL, ten times too high!  Is this an error in

> > > > Shippen's book, or is there something else going

> > on? 

> > > > Can different assays differ from one another by a

> > factor of

> > > > 10?

> > > >

> > > > I'd really appreciate some help understanding

> > this.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, CH

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Like I tried to tell you about studies all the time I spent reading about statin

drugs not one study said anything about Joint or Muscle damage yet here I sit

with it. You can spend your life trying to be safe and end up suffering more.

I can't tell you what to do but as far as I am concerned about the use of HCG

and it's being safe. I feel it's very safe.

The pain med I was on for my Statin drug pain was pulled off the market after

being out from 1973 I believe. Darvocet it is now said to cause Heart problems.

Now that I can read why I ask my self what took them so long to pull this. I

feel the FDA is in the Drug Co.'s pockets and don't care much about you or me.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cylonhippy <cylonhippy@...>

> Subject: Re: Confused about Shippen's Estradiol Numbers

>

> Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 1:44 PM

> I just went to Amazon and read the

> section of the book dealing with hCG.  Pertaining to my

> earlier post about hCG safety, Vergel wrote that there are

> no long term studies of hCG covering a period of time longer

> than 2 years.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: cylonhippy <cylonhippy@>

> > > > > Subject: Confused about

> Shippen's

> > > Estradiol Numbers

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010,

> 10:45 AM

> > > > > I have been avidly reading Dr. Eugene

> > > > > Shippen's book, " The Testosterone

> Syndrome. "  

> > > His

> > > > > chapter on estrogen is enlightening but

> also

> > > > > confusing.  At pages 55-57, he refers

> to the

> > > estradiol

> > > > > levels of various men in the range

> between 20 and

> > > 58

> > > > > ng/dL.  He suggests that good numbers

> are around

> > > 20 or

> > > > > 30.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those numbers are consistent with the

> healthy

> > > levels I've

> > > > > seen reported here and elsewhere. 

> However, the

> > > units

> > > > > are wrong!  Here, we talk about

> healthy levels

> > > being

> > > > > around 20 or 30 pg/mL.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1 ng/dL = 10 pg/mL

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore, an estradiol level of 30

> ng/dL is

> > > actually 300

> > > > > pg/dL, ten times too high!  Is this an

> error in

> > > > > Shippen's book, or is there something

> else going

> > > on? 

> > > > > Can different assays differ from one

> another by a

> > > factor of

> > > > > 10?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd really appreciate some help

> understanding

> > > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks, CH

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >