Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

[Guest guest]

Marc bear with me here not feel all the great,

I don't understand your question here are you saying on 04/01/09 your TT levels

were 1068 not on TRT.

Then you went on TRT and they came down to 792

When you say you were on TRT and I took Nolvadex you did this both at the same

time.

I need more info about when you started TRT what you were taking and what your

levels were before going on TRT.

You should not do Nolvadex and Testosterone meds at the same time. The T is

shutting you down and the Nolvadex is trying to start up up. It's like putting

your car against a break wall and trying to drive it.

And you need to be off Nolvadex for a time 2 or 3 week not sure before testing

Estradiol.

Your feeling like you are sounds to me like your suffering from Adrenal Fatigue

read this link.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

On your last test if you were not on TRT and Nolvadex your levels are dam good

and you don't need the cream.

Look at your Cortisol and Thyroid levels.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:49 AM

>

> I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

>

> Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range:  35-155

> LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

>

> Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test:   = 149.7 range:  35-155

>

> Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test:   = 222.3 range:  35-155

> LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> Estradiol:  38 (H)

>

>

> Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test:   = 185.6 range:  35-155

> LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

>

> In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex, it has

> been coming down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a

> college student.  My DHEA has fallen

> dramatically,  I am still waiting the latest etradiol

> figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> returned to baseline.

>

> I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of libido, can't

> sustain an erection, I have test. atrophy,  I feel like

> I've aged 15 years through this whole incident.

>

> My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test cream, but I

> don't want to unless absolutely necessary, and my test

> levels are good. 

>

> I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I can't afford

> to see Dr. right now.  I am saving up however.

>

> Can anyone give me their opinion what happened?  I am

> really desperate.  Thanks all.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

What am I missing?

Why are you trialing with Nolvadex and TRT whew your natural T levels

seem normal if not optimum for your body? The lowest level you posted

was 792... a little low compared to the previous.... so deserved a

better look but not Nolvadex. If I am reading correctly, T was 1068 w/o

any TRT in April 2009?

I would want to know your E2 in April and July as well as look at other

factors including other hormones.

>

>

> I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

>

> Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> Test Total: = 1068 range: 25-1100

> Test Free: 04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: 04/109 = 223.2 range: 35-155

> LH: 3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> DHEA Sulfate: 413, Range: 110-510

>

> Natural Testosterone Baselline: 07/10/09

> Test Total: = 792 range: 25-1100

> Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: = 149.7 range: 35-155

>

> Test of TRT and Nolvadex: 10/14/10

> Test Total: = 1106 range: 25-1100

> Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: = 222.3 range: 35-155

> LH: 10.9 Range: 1.5-9.3

> DHEA Sulfate: 255, Range: 110-510

> Estradiol, Free : 0.89(h)

> Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> Estradiol: 38 (H)

>

>

> Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> Test Total: = 836 range: 25-1100

> Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: = 185.6 range: 35-155

> LH: 6.0 Range: 1.5-9.3

> DHEA Sulfate: 185, Range: 110-510

>

> In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex, it has been coming

down. My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a college student. My DHEA

has fallen dramatically, I am still waiting the latest etradiol

figures. I'll post em asap. My LH hasn't returned to baseline.

>

> I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of libido, can't sustain an

erection, I have test. atrophy, I feel like I've aged 15 years through

this whole incident.

>

> My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test cream, but I don't want to

unless absolutely necessary, and my test levels are good.

>

> I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I can't afford to see Dr.

right now. I am saving up however.

>

> Can anyone give me their opinion what happened? I am really

desperate. Thanks all.

>

[Guest guest]

Here is the timeline of what I did.

August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%, 100mg daily.

Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a lil hair, and libido is

gone).

October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg, daily.

October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg, daily

Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no TRT). Also the labs dated 07/10/09

are natural baselines. 10/14/09 and on are after the incident. I don't have a

baseline of my E2.

What other values are you interested in, I have tons of them.

Thank you for your help.

PS: My symptoms are lethargy, severe depression, no energy, can't maintain

erections, erection quality not good. Putting on weight in my abdomen region.

Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel terrible. I also have test. atrophy.

My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but I don't want to touch anything. He

seems more interested in giving me Test more than anything else

> >

> >

> > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> >

> > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > Test Total: = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free: 04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test: 04/109 = 223.2 range: 35-155

> > LH: 3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > DHEA Sulfate: 413, Range: 110-510

> >

> > Natural Testosterone Baselline: 07/10/09

> > Test Total: = 792 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test: = 149.7 range: 35-155

> >

> > Test of TRT and Nolvadex: 10/14/10

> > Test Total: = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test: = 222.3 range: 35-155

> > LH: 10.9 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > DHEA Sulfate: 255, Range: 110-510

> > Estradiol, Free : 0.89(h)

> > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > Estradiol: 38 (H)

> >

> >

> > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > Test Total: = 836 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test: = 185.6 range: 35-155

> > LH: 6.0 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > DHEA Sulfate: 185, Range: 110-510

> >

> > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex, it has been coming

> down. My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a college student. My DHEA

> has fallen dramatically, I am still waiting the latest etradiol

> figures. I'll post em asap. My LH hasn't returned to baseline.

> >

> > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of libido, can't sustain an

> erection, I have test. atrophy, I feel like I've aged 15 years through

> this whole incident.

> >

> > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test cream, but I don't want to

> unless absolutely necessary, and my test levels are good.

> >

> > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I can't afford to see Dr.

> right now. I am saving up however.

> >

> > Can anyone give me their opinion what happened? I am really

> desperate. Thanks all.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The Nolvadex could be what is hurting you.

People forget half of the drug in the pills of that class acts like

estrogen! That is why during my HPTA-Restart Protocol sometimes guys may get

a huge increase in T but they still don't feel good. The added E from the

SERM-class drug obliterates positive subjective report.

They also take it thinking it lowers E. They do not. They block E at some

receptors, act like E at others. Can actually RAISE E.

People take that stuff like it is candy. It is not. And no one knows what

they do to adult males long term.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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The Nolvadex-D can make your feel like your feeling and your Estradiol levels

can't be tested until your off this for a time. Your last set of labs look dam

good to me I would not do any TRT and let your body adjust it's making T on it's

own. If in a 2 weeks your not feeling better do some labs on Estradiol do a

Quest labs test for Sensitive Estradiol #4021 the range is 13 to 54 pg/ml the

Nolvadex you were on can lower it to low or make it to high. If your levels are

over 30 pg/ml then you need to take something to bring this down I would use

Indolplex/DIM to do this we can take about this later. If your test levels fall

back down your Secondary and you would need to get an MRI on your Pituitary to

rule out a tumor it's rare to be cancer.

So far it looks like your making your own T and you just need to give it time.

See how your doing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

>

> Here is the timeline of what I did.

>

> August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%, 100mg daily.

>

> Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a lil

> hair, and libido is gone).

>

> October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg,

> daily.

>

> October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

>

> October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg,

> daily

>

> Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no TRT).  Also

> the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural baselines. 

> 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I don't have a

> baseline of my E2.

>

> What other values are you interested in, I have tons of

> them.

>

> Thank you for your help.

>

>

> PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe depression, no

> energy, can't maintain erections, erection quality not

> good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen region. 

> Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel terrible.  I

> also have test. atrophy.

>

> My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but I don't want

> to touch anything.  He seems more interested in giving

> me Test more than anything else

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > >

> > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range: 

> 35-155

> > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> > >

> > > Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> > > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> 35-155

> > >

> > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> 35-155

> > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > >

> > >

> > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> 35-155

> > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> > >

> > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex,

> it has been coming

> > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a

> college student.  My DHEA

> > has fallen dramatically,  I am still waiting the

> latest etradiol

> > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> returned to baseline.

> > >

> > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of

> libido, can't sustain an

> > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I feel like I've

> aged 15 years through

> > this whole incident.

> > >

> > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test

> cream, but I don't want to

> > unless absolutely necessary, and my test levels are

> good.

> > >

> > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I

> can't afford to see Dr.

> > right now.  I am saving up however.

> > >

> > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> happened?  I am really

> > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dr. do tell how long dose he need to be off the Nolvadex before he

can get good labs for Estradiol.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Crisler, DO <drjohn@...>

> Subject: Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:46 PM

> The Nolvadex could be what is hurting

> you.

>

>

>

> People forget half of the drug in the pills of that class

> acts like

> estrogen! That is why during my HPTA-Restart Protocol

> sometimes guys may get

> a huge increase in T but they still don't feel good. The

> added E from the

> SERM-class drug obliterates positive subjective report.

>

>

>

> They also take it thinking it lowers E. They do not. They

> block E at some

> receptors, act like E at others. Can actually RAISE E.

>

>

>

> People take that stuff like it is candy. It is not. And no

> one knows what

> they do to adult males long term.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Crisler, DO

>

> Anti-Aging Medicine

>

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> original message. We would certainly do the same for you.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been off the

Novladex for five months.

I will get that test done, however. I think you are on to something. I will get

my E2 results back soon too.

I emailed Kim at Dr s to see if there docs in my area that will work with

him.

I would like to hear what Dr thinks. I know he is the doc I need to see I'm

saving my money so I can see him, my insurance doesn't cover anything.

THX Phil. I would be lost without your help.

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Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

>

> Here is the timeline of what I did.

>

> August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%, 100mg daily.

>

> Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a lil

> hair, and libido is gone).

>

> October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg,

> daily.

>

> October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

>

> October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg,

> daily

>

> Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no TRT).  Also

> the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural baselines. 

> 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I don't have a

> baseline of my E2.

>

> What other values are you interested in, I have tons of

> them.

>

> Thank you for your help.

>

>

> PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe depression, no

> energy, can't maintain erections, erection quality not

> good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen region. 

> Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel terrible.  I

> also have test. atrophy.

>

> My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but I don't want

> to touch anything.  He seems more interested in giving

> me Test more than anything else

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > >

> > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range: 

> 35-155

> > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> > >

> > > Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> > > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> 35-155

> > >

> > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> 35-155

> > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > >

> > >

> > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> 35-155

> > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> > >

> > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex,

> it has been coming

> > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a

> college student.  My DHEA

> > has fallen dramatically,  I am still waiting the

> latest etradiol

> > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> returned to baseline.

> > >

> > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of

> libido, can't sustain an

> > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I feel like I've

> aged 15 years through

> > this whole incident.

> > >

> > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test

> cream, but I don't want to

> > unless absolutely necessary, and my test levels are

> good.

> > >

> > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I

> can't afford to see Dr.

> > right now.  I am saving up however.

> > >

> > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> happened?  I am really

> > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been off it for Five months.

I'm still waiting for my latest E2 results.

I only took 13, 20mg Nolvadex D.

I am looking for a Doc in FL that will work with you. I emailed Kim.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:46 PM

> The Nolvadex could be what is hurting

> you.

>

>

>

> People forget half of the drug in the pills of that class

> acts like

> estrogen! That is why during my HPTA-Restart Protocol

> sometimes guys may get

> a huge increase in T but they still don't feel good. The

> added E from the

> SERM-class drug obliterates positive subjective report.

>

>

>

> They also take it thinking it lowers E. They do not. They

> block E at some

> receptors, act like E at others. Can actually RAISE E.

>

>

>

> People take that stuff like it is candy. It is not. And no

> one knows what

> they do to adult males long term.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Crisler, DO

>

> Anti-Aging Medicine

>

> The information contained in this message is intended only

> for the personal

> and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and

> is protected by

> state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not

> the intended

> recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the

> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have

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> document in error and that any review, dissemination,

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> copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have

> received this

> communication in error, please notify us immediately, and

> delete the

> original message. We would certainly do the same for you.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. was just here and posted to you that he feels your problem was from the

Novladex. I feel you got your self jump started again and now it can be your

Estraidol levels are to high.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > Subject: Re: Can some one help me

> analyze my blood work?

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

> >

> > Here is the timeline of what I did.

> >

> > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > 10%, 100mg daily.

> >

> > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a

> lil

> > hair, and libido is gone).

> >

> > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg,

> > daily.

> >

> > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> >

> > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg,

> > daily

> >

> > Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no TRT). 

> Also

> > the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural baselines. 

> > 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I don't have

> a

> > baseline of my E2.

> >

> > What other values are you interested in, I have tons

> of

> > them.

> >

> > Thank you for your help.

> >

> >

> > PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe depression, no

> > energy, can't maintain erections, erection quality

> not

> > good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen region. 

> > Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel terrible.  I

> > also have test. atrophy.

> >

> > My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but I don't

> want

> > to touch anything.  He seems more interested in

> giving

> > me Test more than anything else

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > >

> > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> > > >

> > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> > > > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > >

> > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > > > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> > > >

> > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the

> nolvadex,

> > it has been coming

> > > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a

> > college student.  My DHEA

> > > has fallen dramatically,  I am still waiting

> the

> > latest etradiol

> > > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> > returned to baseline.

> > > >

> > > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of

> > libido, can't sustain an

> > > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I feel like

> I've

> > aged 15 years through

> > > this whole incident.

> > > >

> > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test

> > cream, but I don't want to

> > > unless absolutely necessary, and my test levels

> are

> > good.

> > > >

> > > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and

> I

> > can't afford to see Dr.

> > > right now.  I am saving up however.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> > happened?  I am really

> > > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I just wrote him back. I missed his msg earlier.

I should have my E2 labs soon.

Can E2 cause atrophy?

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Re: Can some one help me

> analyze my blood work?

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

> >

> > Here is the timeline of what I did.

> >

> > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > 10%, 100mg daily.

> >

> > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a

> lil

> > hair, and libido is gone).

> >

> > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg,

> > daily.

> >

> > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> >

> > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg,

> > daily

> >

> > Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no TRT). 

> Also

> > the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural baselines. 

> > 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I don't have

> a

> > baseline of my E2.

> >

> > What other values are you interested in, I have tons

> of

> > them.

> >

> > Thank you for your help.

> >

> >

> > PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe depression, no

> > energy, can't maintain erections, erection quality

> not

> > good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen region. 

> > Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel terrible.  I

> > also have test. atrophy.

> >

> > My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but I don't

> want

> > to touch anything.  He seems more interested in

> giving

> > me Test more than anything else

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > >

> > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> > > >

> > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> > > > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > >

> > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > > > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> > > >

> > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the

> nolvadex,

> > it has been coming

> > > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a

> > college student.  My DHEA

> > > has fallen dramatically,  I am still waiting

> the

> > latest etradiol

> > > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> > returned to baseline.

> > > >

> > > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of

> > libido, can't sustain an

> > > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I feel like

> I've

> > aged 15 years through

> > > this whole incident.

> > > >

> > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test

> > cream, but I don't want to

> > > unless absolutely necessary, and my test levels

> are

> > good.

> > > >

> > > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and

> I

> > can't afford to see Dr.

> > > right now.  I am saving up however.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> > happened?  I am really

> > > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No but the low T can do this and being on TRT will do it give them time they are

making T now and will come back up in size. Just pray they keep makeing T.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Can some one help me

> > analyze my blood work?

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

> > >

> > > Here is the timeline of what I did.

> > >

> > > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone

> Liposomal

> > Cream,

> > > 10%, 100mg daily.

> > >

> > > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost

> weight, a

> > lil

> > > hair, and libido is gone).

> > >

> > > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > 10%/100mg,

> > > daily.

> > >

> > > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> > >

> > > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > 10%/100mg,

> > > daily

> > >

> > > Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no

> TRT). 

> > Also

> > > the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural baselines. 

> > > 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I don't

> have

> > a

> > > baseline of my E2.

> > >

> > > What other values are you interested in, I have

> tons

> > of

> > > them.

> > >

> > > Thank you for your help.

> > >

> > >

> > > PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe

> depression, no

> > > energy, can't maintain erections, erection

> quality

> > not

> > > good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen

> region. 

> > > Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel

> terrible.  I

> > > also have test. atrophy.

> > >

> > > My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but I

> don't

> > want

> > > to touch anything.  He seems more interested in

> > giving

> > > me Test more than anything else

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > > >

> > > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range:

> 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range: 

> > > 35-155

> > > > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> > > > >

> > > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline: 

> 07/10/09

> > > > > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> > > 35-155

> > > > >

> > > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > > > > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> > > 35-155

> > > > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > > > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> > > 35-155

> > > > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> > > > >

> > > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after

> the

> > nolvadex,

> > > it has been coming

> > > > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and

> a

> > > college student.  My DHEA

> > > > has fallen dramatically,  I am still

> waiting

> > the

> > > latest etradiol

> > > > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH

> hasn't

> > > returned to baseline.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack

> of

> > > libido, can't sustain an

> > > > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I feel

> like

> > I've

> > > aged 15 years through

> > > > this whole incident.

> > > > >

> > > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the

> Test

> > > cream, but I don't want to

> > > > unless absolutely necessary, and my test

> levels

> > are

> > > good.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can't find out what's wrong with me,

> and

> > I

> > > can't afford to see Dr.

> > > > right now.  I am saving up however.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> > > happened?  I am really

> > > > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I pray everyday.

I'm also going to see a Urologist on Monday and get his opinion.

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Re: Can some one help me

> > analyze my blood work?

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

> > >

> > > Here is the timeline of what I did.

> > >

> > > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone

> Liposomal

> > Cream,

> > > 10%, 100mg daily.

> > >

> > > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost

> weight, a

> > lil

> > > hair, and libido is gone).

> > >

> > > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > 10%/100mg,

> > > daily.

> > >

> > > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> > >

> > > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > 10%/100mg,

> > > daily

> > >

> > > Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no

> TRT). 

> > Also

> > > the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural baselines. 

> > > 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I don't

> have

> > a

> > > baseline of my E2.

> > >

> > > What other values are you interested in, I have

> tons

> > of

> > > them.

> > >

> > > Thank you for your help.

> > >

> > >

> > > PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe

> depression, no

> > > energy, can't maintain erections, erection

> quality

> > not

> > > good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen

> region. 

> > > Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel

> terrible.  I

> > > also have test. atrophy.

> > >

> > > My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but I

> don't

> > want

> > > to touch anything.  He seems more interested in

> > giving

> > > me Test more than anything else

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > > >

> > > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range:

> 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range: 

> > > 35-155

> > > > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> > > > >

> > > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline: 

> 07/10/09

> > > > > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> > > 35-155

> > > > >

> > > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > > > > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> > > 35-155

> > > > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > > > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> > > 35-155

> > > > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> > > > >

> > > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after

> the

> > nolvadex,

> > > it has been coming

> > > > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and

> a

> > > college student.  My DHEA

> > > > has fallen dramatically,  I am still

> waiting

> > the

> > > latest etradiol

> > > > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH

> hasn't

> > > returned to baseline.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack

> of

> > > libido, can't sustain an

> > > > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I feel

> like

> > I've

> > > aged 15 years through

> > > > this whole incident.

> > > > >

> > > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the

> Test

> > > cream, but I don't want to

> > > > unless absolutely necessary, and my test

> levels

> > are

> > > good.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can't find out what's wrong with me,

> and

> > I

> > > can't afford to see Dr.

> > > > right now.  I am saving up however.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> > > happened?  I am really

> > > > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I did not have much luck with Uro's but there are some good ones out there.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > > > Subject: Re: Can some one

> help me

> > > analyze my blood work?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

> > > >

> > > > Here is the timeline of what I did.

> > > >

> > > > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone

> > Liposomal

> > > Cream,

> > > > 10%, 100mg daily.

> > > >

> > > > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost

> > weight, a

> > > lil

> > > > hair, and libido is gone).

> > > >

> > > > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > daily.

> > > >

> > > > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> > > >

> > > > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > daily

> > > >

> > > > Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no

> > TRT). 

> > > Also

> > > > the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural

> baselines. 

> > > > 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I

> don't

> > have

> > > a

> > > > baseline of my E2.

> > > >

> > > > What other values are you interested in, I

> have

> > tons

> > > of

> > > > them.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for your help.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe

> > depression, no

> > > > energy, can't maintain erections, erection

> > quality

> > > not

> > > > good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen

> > region. 

> > > > Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel

> > terrible.  I

> > > > also have test. atrophy.

> > > >

> > > > My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but

> I

> > don't

> > > want

> > > > to touch anything.  He seems more

> interested in

> > > giving

> > > > me Test more than anything else

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > > > Test Total:  = 1068 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09

> range:

> > 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2

> range: 

> > > > 35-155

> > > > > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range:

> 110-510

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline: 

> > 07/10/09

> > > > > > Test Total:  = 792 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> > > > 35-155

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex: 

> 10/14/10

> > > > > > Test Total:  = 1106 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> > > > 35-155

> > > > > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range:

> 110-510

> > > > > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > > > Test Total:  = 836 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> > > > 35-155

> > > > > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range:

> 110-510

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed

> after

> > the

> > > nolvadex,

> > > > it has been coming

> > > > > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26

> and

> > a

> > > > college student.  My DHEA

> > > > > has fallen dramatically,  I am still

> > waiting

> > > the

> > > > latest etradiol

> > > > > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH

> > hasn't

> > > > returned to baseline.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I still feel depressed, no energy,

> lack

> > of

> > > > libido, can't sustain an

> > > > > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I

> feel

> > like

> > > I've

> > > > aged 15 years through

> > > > > this whole incident.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on

> the

> > Test

> > > > cream, but I don't want to

> > > > > unless absolutely necessary, and my

> test

> > levels

> > > are

> > > > good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can't find out what's wrong with

> me,

> > and

> > > I

> > > > can't afford to see Dr.

> > > > > right now.  I am saving up

> however.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can anyone give me their opinion

> what

> > > > happened?  I am really

> > > > > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I had some test pain in Dec. I just want to get that checked up.

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Re: Can some one

> help me

> > > analyze my blood work?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

> > > >

> > > > Here is the timeline of what I did.

> > > >

> > > > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone

> > Liposomal

> > > Cream,

> > > > 10%, 100mg daily.

> > > >

> > > > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost

> > weight, a

> > > lil

> > > > hair, and libido is gone).

> > > >

> > > > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > daily.

> > > >

> > > > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> > > >

> > > > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > daily

> > > >

> > > > Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no

> > TRT). 

> > > Also

> > > > the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural

> baselines. 

> > > > 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I

> don't

> > have

> > > a

> > > > baseline of my E2.

> > > >

> > > > What other values are you interested in, I

> have

> > tons

> > > of

> > > > them.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for your help.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe

> > depression, no

> > > > energy, can't maintain erections, erection

> > quality

> > > not

> > > > good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen

> > region. 

> > > > Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel

> > terrible.  I

> > > > also have test. atrophy.

> > > >

> > > > My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but

> I

> > don't

> > > want

> > > > to touch anything.  He seems more

> interested in

> > > giving

> > > > me Test more than anything else

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > > > Test Total:  = 1068 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09

> range:

> > 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2

> range: 

> > > > 35-155

> > > > > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range:

> 110-510

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline: 

> > 07/10/09

> > > > > > Test Total:  = 792 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> > > > 35-155

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex: 

> 10/14/10

> > > > > > Test Total:  = 1106 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> > > > 35-155

> > > > > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range:

> 110-510

> > > > > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > > > Test Total:  = 836 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> > > > 35-155

> > > > > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range:

> 110-510

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed

> after

> > the

> > > nolvadex,

> > > > it has been coming

> > > > > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26

> and

> > a

> > > > college student.  My DHEA

> > > > > has fallen dramatically,  I am still

> > waiting

> > > the

> > > > latest etradiol

> > > > > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH

> > hasn't

> > > > returned to baseline.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I still feel depressed, no energy,

> lack

> > of

> > > > libido, can't sustain an

> > > > > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I

> feel

> > like

> > > I've

> > > > aged 15 years through

> > > > > this whole incident.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on

> the

> > Test

> > > > cream, but I don't want to

> > > > > unless absolutely necessary, and my

> test

> > levels

> > > are

> > > > good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can't find out what's wrong with

> me,

> > and

> > > I

> > > > can't afford to see Dr.

> > > > > right now.  I am saving up

> however.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can anyone give me their opinion

> what

> > > > happened?  I am really

> > > > > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Do you think there is any relation between this and my decreasing levels of

DHEA?

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

>

> Here is the timeline of what I did.

>

> August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%, 100mg daily.

>

> Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a lil

> hair, and libido is gone).

>

> October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg,

> daily.

>

> October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

>

> October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg,

> daily

>

> Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no TRT).  Also

> the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural baselines. 

> 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I don't have a

> baseline of my E2.

>

> What other values are you interested in, I have tons of

> them.

>

> Thank you for your help.

>

>

> PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe depression, no

> energy, can't maintain erections, erection quality not

> good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen region. 

> Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel terrible.  I

> also have test. atrophy.

>

> My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but I don't want

> to touch anything.  He seems more interested in giving

> me Test more than anything else

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > >

> > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range: 

> 35-155

> > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> > >

> > > Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> > > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> 35-155

> > >

> > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> 35-155

> > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > >

> > >

> > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> 35-155

> > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> > >

> > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex,

> it has been coming

> > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a

> college student.  My DHEA

> > has fallen dramatically,  I am still waiting the

> latest etradiol

> > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> returned to baseline.

> > >

> > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of

> libido, can't sustain an

> > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I feel like I've

> aged 15 years through

> > this whole incident.

> > >

> > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test

> cream, but I don't want to

> > unless absolutely necessary, and my test levels are

> good.

> > >

> > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I

> can't afford to see Dr.

> > right now.  I am saving up however.

> > >

> > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> happened?  I am really

> > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

when hormones change for the good or even the bad DHEA takes a hit give it time

see how things go.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > Subject: Re: Can some one help me

> analyze my blood work?

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

> >

> > Here is the timeline of what I did.

> >

> > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > 10%, 100mg daily.

> >

> > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a

> lil

> > hair, and libido is gone).

> >

> > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg,

> > daily.

> >

> > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> >

> > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg,

> > daily

> >

> > Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no TRT). 

> Also

> > the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural baselines. 

> > 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I don't have

> a

> > baseline of my E2.

> >

> > What other values are you interested in, I have tons

> of

> > them.

> >

> > Thank you for your help.

> >

> >

> > PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe depression, no

> > energy, can't maintain erections, erection quality

> not

> > good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen region. 

> > Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel terrible.  I

> > also have test. atrophy.

> >

> > My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but I don't

> want

> > to touch anything.  He seems more interested in

> giving

> > me Test more than anything else

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > >

> > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> > > >

> > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> > > > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > >

> > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > > > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> > > >

> > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the

> nolvadex,

> > it has been coming

> > > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a

> > college student.  My DHEA

> > > has fallen dramatically,  I am still waiting

> the

> > latest etradiol

> > > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> > returned to baseline.

> > > >

> > > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of

> > libido, can't sustain an

> > > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I feel like

> I've

> > aged 15 years through

> > > this whole incident.

> > > >

> > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test

> > cream, but I don't want to

> > > unless absolutely necessary, and my test levels

> are

> > good.

> > > >

> > > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and

> I

> > can't afford to see Dr.

> > > right now.  I am saving up however.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> > happened?  I am really

> > > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ill keep you posted. THX for everything. =]

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Re: Can some one help me

> analyze my blood work?

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:22 PM

> >

> > Here is the timeline of what I did.

> >

> > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > 10%, 100mg daily.

> >

> > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a

> lil

> > hair, and libido is gone).

> >

> > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg,

> > daily.

> >

> > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> >

> > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg,

> > daily

> >

> > Yes in April, my T was naturally 1068 (no TRT). 

> Also

> > the labs dated 07/10/09 are natural baselines. 

> > 10/14/09 and on are after the incident.  I don't have

> a

> > baseline of my E2.

> >

> > What other values are you interested in, I have tons

> of

> > them.

> >

> > Thank you for your help.

> >

> >

> > PS:  My symptoms are lethargy, severe depression, no

> > energy, can't maintain erections, erection quality

> not

> > good.  Putting on weight in my abdomen region. 

> > Lost muscle mass, overall, I just feel terrible.  I

> > also have test. atrophy.

> >

> > My TRT doc wants to put me back on Test, but I don't

> want

> > to touch anything.  He seems more interested in

> giving

> > me Test more than anything else

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > >

> > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> > > >

> > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> > > > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > >

> > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > > > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> > > >

> > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the

> nolvadex,

> > it has been coming

> > > down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a

> > college student.  My DHEA

> > > has fallen dramatically,  I am still waiting

> the

> > latest etradiol

> > > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> > returned to baseline.

> > > >

> > > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of

> > libido, can't sustain an

> > > erection, I have test. atrophy,  I feel like

> I've

> > aged 15 years through

> > > this whole incident.

> > > >

> > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test

> > cream, but I don't want to

> > > unless absolutely necessary, and my test levels

> are

> > good.

> > > >

> > > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and

> I

> > can't afford to see Dr.

> > > right now.  I am saving up however.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> > happened?  I am really

> > > desperate.  Thanks all.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I only took 13, 20mg Nolvadex-Ds.

Its been five months.

Is this sufficient time to do the Sensitive Estradiol #4021 test?

>

> > From: Crisler, DO <drjohn@...>

> > Subject: Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:46 PM

> > The Nolvadex could be what is hurting

> > you.

> >

> >

> >

> > People forget half of the drug in the pills of that class

> > acts like

> > estrogen! That is why during my HPTA-Restart Protocol

> > sometimes guys may get

> > a huge increase in T but they still don't feel good. The

> > added E from the

> > SERM-class drug obliterates positive subjective report.

> >

> >

> >

> > They also take it thinking it lowers E. They do not. They

> > block E at some

> > receptors, act like E at others. Can actually RAISE E.

> >

> >

> >

> > People take that stuff like it is candy. It is not. And no

> > one knows what

> > they do to adult males long term.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Be well!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > Crisler, DO

> >

> > Anti-Aging Medicine

> >

> > The information contained in this message is intended only

> > for the personal

> > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and

> > is protected by

> > state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not

> > the intended

> > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the

> > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have

> > received this

> > document in error and that any review, dissemination,

> > distribution, or

> > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have

> > received this

> > communication in error, please notify us immediately, and

> > delete the

> > original message. We would certainly do the same for you.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 2:09 PM

>

> I only took 13, 20mg Nolvadex-Ds.

>

> Its been five months.

>

> Is this sufficient time to do the Sensitive Estradiol #4021

> test?

>

>

> >

> > > From: Crisler, DO <drjohn@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Can some one help me

> analyze my blood work?

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:46 PM

> > > The Nolvadex could be what is hurting

> > > you.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > People forget half of the drug in the pills of

> that class

> > > acts like

> > > estrogen! That is why during my HPTA-Restart

> Protocol

> > > sometimes guys may get

> > > a huge increase in T but they still don't feel

> good. The

> > > added E from the

> > > SERM-class drug obliterates positive subjective

> report.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > They also take it thinking it lowers E. They do

> not. They

> > > block E at some

> > > receptors, act like E at others. Can actually

> RAISE E.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > People take that stuff like it is candy. It is

> not. And no

> > > one knows what

> > > they do to adult males long term.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > Be well!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > > Crisler, DO

> > >

> > > Anti-Aging Medicine

> > >

> > > The information contained in this message is

> intended only

> > > for the personal

> > > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named

> above, and

> > > is protected by

> > > state and federal law. If the reader of this

> message is not

> > > the intended

> > > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering

> it to the

> > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that

> you have

> > > received this

> > > document in error and that any review,

> dissemination,

> > > distribution, or

> > > copying of this message is strictly prohibited.

> If you have

> > > received this

> > > communication in error, please notify us

> immediately, and

> > > delete the

> > > original message. We would certainly do the same

> for you.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

So Nolvadex can have some long lasting effects even after five months.

I will email my doc and get this test done.

THX Phil. Enjoy the game tonight.

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Re: Can some one help me

> analyze my blood work?

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:46 PM

> > > The Nolvadex could be what is hurting

> > > you.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > People forget half of the drug in the pills of

> that class

> > > acts like

> > > estrogen! That is why during my HPTA-Restart

> Protocol

> > > sometimes guys may get

> > > a huge increase in T but they still don't feel

> good. The

> > > added E from the

> > > SERM-class drug obliterates positive subjective

> report.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > They also take it thinking it lowers E. They do

> not. They

> > > block E at some

> > > receptors, act like E at others. Can actually

> RAISE E.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > People take that stuff like it is candy. It is

> not. And no

> > > one knows what

> > > they do to adult males long term.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > Be well!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > > Crisler, DO

> > >

> > > Anti-Aging Medicine

> > >

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No I don't feel that the lasting effects of Nolvadex last a long time but if it

made your Estradiol levels go up some times they will stay up as long as your

Testosterone levels stay up it's the Testosterone the Nolvadex made your body

make that can convert into Estradiol. Anything the Nolvadex did to your body is

gone by now but the Estradiol will hang in there as long as your Testosterone

levels stay up. So test this if it's over 30 pg/ml get it down and it might

just stay down also doing this will Free up any Testosterone that is bound up by

the high Estradiol levels. So your levels of T can go even better.

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>

> > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > Subject: Re: Can some one help me

> analyze my blood work?

> >

> > Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 2:09 PM

> >

> > I only took 13, 20mg Nolvadex-Ds.

> >

> > Its been five months.

> >

> > Is this sufficient time to do the Sensitive Estradiol

> #4021

> > test?

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > From: Crisler, DO <drjohn@...>

> > > > Subject: Re: Can some one

> help me

> > analyze my blood work?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:46 PM

> > > > The Nolvadex could be what is hurting

> > > > you.

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > People forget half of the drug in the pills

> of

> > that class

> > > > acts like

> > > > estrogen! That is why during my

> HPTA-Restart

> > Protocol

> > > > sometimes guys may get

> > > > a huge increase in T but they still don't

> feel

> > good. The

> > > > added E from the

> > > > SERM-class drug obliterates positive

> subjective

> > report.

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > They also take it thinking it lowers E. They

> do

> > not. They

> > > > block E at some

> > > > receptors, act like E at others. Can

> actually

> > RAISE E.

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > People take that stuff like it is candy. It

> is

> > not. And no

> > > > one knows what

> > > > they do to adult males long term.

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > Be well!

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I got my E2 results back:

01/22/10

Estradiol, Free PG/ML = 0.45

Estradiol, Free % = 2.04(H) Range: 1.25-1.85

Estradiol, 22 Range: < or = 29

So my free E2 is high, it has been slowly coming down, but I think this explains

everything.

My Doc says its coming back to baseline (I don't have a baseline for E2).

I think this explains everything. Lack of libido, ED problems.

Would i need to take a DIM or Arimidex to feel better?

Dr. was right about this, as long as my Test is high, the E2 will remain

high.

>

>

> I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

>

> Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> Test Total: = 1068 range: 25-1100

> Test Free: 04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: 04/109 = 223.2 range: 35-155

> LH: 3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> DHEA Sulfate: 413, Range: 110-510

>

> Natural Testosterone Baselline: 07/10/09

> Test Total: = 792 range: 25-1100

> Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: = 149.7 range: 35-155

>

> Test of TRT and Nolvadex: 10/14/10

> Test Total: = 1106 range: 25-1100

> Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: = 222.3 range: 35-155

> LH: 10.9 Range: 1.5-9.3

> DHEA Sulfate: 255, Range: 110-510

> Estradiol, Free : 0.89(h)

> Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> Estradiol: 38 (H)

>

>

> Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> Test Total: = 836 range: 25-1100

> Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: = 185.6 range: 35-155

> LH: 6.0 Range: 1.5-9.3

> DHEA Sulfate: 185, Range: 110-510

>

> In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex, it has been coming down. My

Test seems to great, I'm 26 and a college student. My DHEA has fallen

dramatically, I am still waiting the latest etradiol figures. I'll post em

asap. My LH hasn't returned to baseline.

>

> I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of libido, can't sustain an erection,

I have test. atrophy, I feel like I've aged 15 years through this whole

incident.

>

> My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test cream, but I don't want to unless

absolutely necessary, and my test levels are good.

>

> I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I can't afford to see Dr.

right now. I am saving up however.

>

> Can anyone give me their opinion what happened? I am really desperate.

Thanks all.

>

[Guest guest]

As long as your Test is high how high I don't feel it's a good idea to lower

Test levels to keep E2 levels down. I myself don't and did not feel better

below the upper 1/3 of my labs range and your Ultra E2 test at 22 is great that

is the same as doing the sensitive test at Quest #4021 with a range of 13 to 54

20 pg/ml is the best level. Do you now have night time and morning wood at this

level and did you test your SHBG is it's on the low side like 20 you might need

your E2 at about 15 this is where mine ends up when I have good wood.

I feel your best bet is time your not on TRT now and don't need anything to

being down your E2 it's fine just let time do it's job your libido will come

back up it takes time. Don't do anything just give your body time to adjust and

go back to normal.

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Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 11:17 AM

>

> I got my E2 results back:

>

> 01/22/10

> Estradiol, Free PG/ML = 0.45

> Estradiol, Free % = 2.04(H) Range:  1.25-1.85

> Estradiol, 22 Range:  < or = 29

>

> So my free E2 is high, it has been slowly coming down, but

> I think this explains everything.

>

> My Doc says its coming back to baseline (I don't have a

> baseline for E2). 

>

> I think this explains everything.  Lack of libido, ED

> problems.

>

> Would i need to take a DIM or Arimidex to feel

> better? 

>

> Dr. was right about this, as long as my Test is high,

> the E2 will remain high.

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> >

> > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range:  35-155

> > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> >

> > Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> 35-155

> >

> > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> 35-155

> > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> >

> >

> > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> 35-155

> > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> >

> > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex, it

> has been coming down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26

> and a college student.  My DHEA has fallen

> dramatically,  I am still waiting the latest etradiol

> figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> returned to baseline.

> >

> > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of libido,

> can't sustain an erection, I have test. atrophy,  I

> feel like I've aged 15 years through this whole incident.

> >

> > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test cream, but

> I don't want to unless absolutely necessary, and my test

> levels are good. 

> >

> > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I can't

> afford to see Dr. right now.  I am saving up

> however.

> >

> > Can anyone give me their opinion what happened? 

> I am really desperate.  Thanks all.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

THX Phil.

I have morning wood sometimes but not of great quality. At night maybe once

every week or so.

I'm not on anything now.

I didn't get tested for SHBG.

I would like to note my LH is still higher than baseline by almost double. Could

that be contributing to the high E2? Maybe my body is producing more T than

normal thus resulting in higher E2. I also put on fat localized to my abdominal

region and my nipples feel itchy at times.

On a positive note I have been getting spont. Erections of good quality.

THX again Phil.

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Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 11:17 AM

>

> I got my E2 results back:

>

> 01/22/10

> Estradiol, Free PG/ML = 0.45

> Estradiol, Free % = 2.04(H) Range:  1.25-1.85

> Estradiol, 22 Range:  < or = 29

>

> So my free E2 is high, it has been slowly coming down, but

> I think this explains everything.

>

> My Doc says its coming back to baseline (I don't have a

> baseline for E2). 

>

> I think this explains everything.  Lack of libido, ED

> problems.

>

> Would i need to take a DIM or Arimidex to feel

> better? 

>

> Dr. was right about this, as long as my Test is high,

> the E2 will remain high.

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> >

> > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range:  35-155

> > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> >

> > Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> 35-155

> >

> > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> 35-155

> > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> >

> >

> > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> 35-155

> > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> >

> > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex, it

> has been coming down.  My Test seems to great, I'm 26

> and a college student.  My DHEA has fallen

> dramatically,  I am still waiting the latest etradiol

> figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> returned to baseline.

> >

> > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of libido,

> can't sustain an erection, I have test. atrophy,  I

> feel like I've aged 15 years through this whole incident.

> >

> > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test cream, but

> I don't want to unless absolutely necessary, and my test

> levels are good. 

> >

> > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I can't

> afford to see Dr. right now.  I am saving up

> however.

> >

> > Can anyone give me their opinion what happened? 

> I am really desperate.  Thanks all.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

No your LH tells your testis to make more Testosterone if it's high above the

top of the range and your Testosterone levels are above 500 to 600 they are

still asking for more I don't ever remember seeing this happen. Bu if your

Total T levels are low say under 500 the high LH means your body needs higher

levels of T and your testis can make it. Still I would give your body some time

just keep testing every 8 to 12 weeks.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > Subject: Re: Can some one help me

> analyze my blood work?

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 11:17 AM

> >

> > I got my E2 results back:

> >

> > 01/22/10

> > Estradiol, Free PG/ML = 0.45

> > Estradiol, Free % = 2.04(H) Range:  1.25-1.85

> > Estradiol, 22 Range:  < or = 29

> >

> > So my free E2 is high, it has been slowly coming down,

> but

> > I think this explains everything.

> >

> > My Doc says its coming back to baseline (I don't have

> a

> > baseline for E2). 

> >

> > I think this explains everything.  Lack of libido,

> ED

> > problems.

> >

> > Would i need to take a DIM or Arimidex to feel

> > better? 

> >

> > Dr. was right about this, as long as my Test is

> high,

> > the E2 will remain high.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > >

> > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > Test Total:  = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free:  04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:  04/109 = 223.2 range:  35-155

> > > LH:  3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  413, Range: 110-510

> > >

> > > Natural Testosterone Baselline:  07/10/09

> > > Test Total:  = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 149.7 range: 

> > 35-155

> > >

> > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:  10/14/10

> > > Test Total:  = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 222.3 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > LH: 10.9  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  255, Range: 110-510

> > > Estradiol, Free :  0.89(h)

> > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > Estradiol:  38 (H)

> > >

> > >

> > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > Test Total:  = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test:   = 185.6 range: 

> > 35-155

> > > LH: 6.0  Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  185, Range: 110-510

> > >

> > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex,

> it

> > has been coming down.  My Test seems to great, I'm

> 26

> > and a college student.  My DHEA has fallen

> > dramatically,  I am still waiting the latest

> etradiol

> > figures.  I'll post em asap.  My LH hasn't

> > returned to baseline.

> > >

> > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of

> libido,

> > can't sustain an erection, I have test. atrophy,  I

> > feel like I've aged 15 years through this whole

> incident.

> > >

> > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test

> cream, but

> > I don't want to unless absolutely necessary, and my

> test

> > levels are good. 

> > >

> > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I

> can't

> > afford to see Dr. right now.  I am saving up

> > however.

> > >

> > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> happened? 

> > I am really desperate.  Thanks all.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >