Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

February 18, 2010

I haven't posted in a while...I'm still not feeling good, no energy, libido not

good, still having ED like symptoms (I can get wood, but not keep it). I

haven't been on nothing I am taking multi-vitamins, milk thistle, red yeast rice

for cholesterol, I'm considering taking ZMA Test Booster (is that a good idea)?

Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

Test Total: = 1068 range: 25-1100

Test Free: 04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

Free Test: 04/109 = 223.2 range: 35-155

LH: 3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

DHEA Sulfate: 413, Range: 110-510

Natural Testosterone Baselline: 07/10/09

Test Total: = 792 range: 25-1100

Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

Free Test: = 149.7 range: 35-155

01/22/10

Estradiol, Free PG/ML = 0.45

Estradiol, Free % = 2.04(H) Range: 1.25-1.85

Estradiol, 22 Range: < or = 29

Test Total: = 836 range: 25-1100

Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

Free Test: = 185.6 range: 35-155

LH: 6.0 Range: 1.5-9.3

I don't understand E2, Free % being high. How does that affect my body? LH

still higher than baseline. The nolvadex I took I believe caused that.

I will get some more labs done in 7-8 weeks.

Doc wants me to go back on TRT which I don't since I never needed it to begin

with, he also went over all my labs in detail and now believes I'm on anabolic

steroids (never touched the stuff).

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > >

> > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > Test Total: = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free: 04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test: 04/109 = 223.2 range: 35-155

> > > LH: 3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate: 413, Range: 110-510

> > >

> > > Natural Testosterone Baselline: 07/10/09

> > > Test Total: = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test: = 149.7 range:

> > 35-155

> > >

> > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex: 10/14/10

> > > Test Total: = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test: = 222.3 range:

> > 35-155

> > > LH: 10.9 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate: 255, Range: 110-510

> > > Estradiol, Free : 0.89(h)

> > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > Estradiol: 38 (H)

> > >

> > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > Test Total: = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > Free Test: = 185.6 range:

> > 35-155

> > > LH: 6.0 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > DHEA Sulfate: 185, Range: 110-510

> > >

> > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the nolvadex, it

> > has been coming down. My Test seems to great, I'm 26

> > and a college student. My DHEA has fallen

> > dramatically, I am still waiting the latest etradiol

> > figures. I'll post em asap. My LH hasn't

> > returned to baseline.

> > >

> > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of libido,

> > can't sustain an erection, I have test. atrophy, I

> > feel like I've aged 15 years through this whole incident.

> > >

> > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test cream, but

> > I don't want to unless absolutely necessary, and my test

> > levels are good.

> > >

> > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I can't

> > afford to see Dr. right now. I am saving up

> > however.

> > >

> > > Can anyone give me their opinion what happened?

> > I am really desperate. Thanks all.

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

February 19, 2010

Mark I never test Estradiol Free or Free % I only do Estradiol a sensitive test

for men. The test you did Quest labs has been having trouble with the quilty of

the test men are getting very low levels when they are to high. I have seen men

that had felt to high have this Ultra. Estradiol test with the range of <29 have

it come back saying they are <4.

My Dr. tested this one time about a yr. ago by doing both the Ultra <29 and the

Sensitive test 13 to 54 pg/ml range.

The Ultra came back very low <12 but my Sensitive test #4021 came back high 28

and I felt I was to high.

So with your Free Estradiol and your Free % being high it might mean your true

Estradiol is high and this Ultra. test is wrong. I don't do the Ultra. test and

a lot of other men don't do it. Even Dr. stopped using it.

In 7 to 8 weeks do labs again but don't do the Ultra. test so the Sensitive

Estradiol test #4021.

In the mean time try getting some Indolplex/DIM here is a list I put together

with the helps of Hardasnails.

At this time with them levels don't go on TRT if you try Indolplex/DIM take one

tablet at dinner time when your levels are good you will get some dam strong

night time and morning wood the kind that wake you up. If this happens your at

your best levels for Estradiol. Keep taking it but is your wood stop stop

taking it. When your wood comes back go back on it that day but cut the tablet

in half.

=================================

ALL ABOUT DIM.

Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s

out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose

not get killed in your stomach when you take it.

Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which

promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men.

http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm

in this link it's full of links about it.

http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html

http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full

If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work

open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps

to keep it from getting killed in your stomach.

The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM.

http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html

http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\

xt-dim

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

http://www.estrobalance.net/

http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71

http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html

http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\

Code=156497

http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \

utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\

019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA

http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\

ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336

http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:13 PM

>

> I haven't posted in a while...I'm still not feeling good,

> no energy, libido not good, still having ED like symptoms (I

> can get wood, but not keep it). I haven't been on

> nothing I am taking multi-vitamins, milk thistle, red yeast

> rice for cholesterol, I'm considering taking ZMA Test

> Booster (is that a good idea)?

>

> Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> Test Total: = 1068 range: 25-1100

> Test Free: 04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: 04/109 = 223.2 range: 35-155

> LH: 3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> DHEA Sulfate: 413, Range: 110-510

>

> Natural Testosterone Baselline: 07/10/09

> Test Total: = 792 range: 25-1100

> Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: = 149.7 range: 35-155

>

> 01/22/10

> Estradiol, Free PG/ML = 0.45

> Estradiol, Free % = 2.04(H) Range: 1.25-1.85

> Estradiol, 22 Range: < or = 29

>

> Test Total: = 836 range: 25-1100

> Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> Free Test: = 185.6 range: 35-155

> LH: 6.0 Range: 1.5-9.3

>

> I don't understand E2, Free % being high. How does

> that affect my body? LH still higher than

> baseline. The nolvadex I took I believe caused

> that.

>

> I will get some more labs done in 7-8 weeks.

>

> Doc wants me to go back on TRT which I don't since I never

> needed it to begin with, he also went over all my labs in

> detail and now believes I'm on anabolic steroids (never

> touched the stuff).

>

> Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

>

> > > >

> > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > >

> > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > Test Total: = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free: 04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test: 04/109 = 223.2 range: 35-155

> > > > LH: 3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate: 413, Range: 110-510

> > > >

> > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline: 07/10/09

> > > > Test Total: = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test: = 149.7 range:

> > > 35-155

> > > >

> > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex: 10/14/10

> > > > Test Total: = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test: = 222.3 range:

> > > 35-155

> > > > LH: 10.9 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate: 255, Range: 110-510

> > > > Estradiol, Free : 0.89(h)

> > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > Estradiol: 38 (H)

> > > >

> > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > Test Total: = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > Free Test: = 185.6 range:

> > > 35-155

> > > > LH: 6.0 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > DHEA Sulfate: 185, Range: 110-510

> > > >

> > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the

> nolvadex, it

> > > has been coming down. My Test seems to great,

> I'm 26

> > > and a college student. My DHEA has fallen

> > > dramatically, I am still waiting the latest

> etradiol

> > > figures. I'll post em asap. My LH hasn't

> > > returned to baseline.

> > > >

> > > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of

> libido,

> > > can't sustain an erection, I have test.

> atrophy, I

> > > feel like I've aged 15 years through this whole

> incident.

> > > >

> > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test

> cream, but

> > > I don't want to unless absolutely necessary, and

> my test

> > > levels are good.

> > > >

> > > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I

> can't

> > > afford to see Dr. right now. I am saving

> up

> > > however.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> happened?

> > > I am really desperate. Thanks all.

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

February 23, 2010

Hey Phil.

I've been taking the Indoplex DIM every couple of days. I am having random

erections again and morning wood. Seems to be helping.

I think my E2 was high this whole time.

Do you think I'm taking the DIM correctly? I take 1 every 2-3 days around

dinner time.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > > >

> > > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > > Test Total: = 1068 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free: 04/01/09 = 2.09 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test: 04/109 = 223.2 range: 35-155

> > > > > LH: 3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 413, Range: 110-510

> > > > >

> > > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline: 07/10/09

> > > > > Test Total: = 792 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test: = 149.7 range:

> > > > 35-155

> > > > >

> > > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex: 10/14/10

> > > > > Test Total: = 1106 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test: = 222.3 range:

> > > > 35-155

> > > > > LH: 10.9 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 255, Range: 110-510

> > > > > Estradiol, Free : 0.89(h)

> > > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > > Estradiol: 38 (H)

> > > > >

> > > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > > Test Total: = 836 range: 25-1100

> > > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > Free Test: = 185.6 range:

> > > > 35-155

> > > > > LH: 6.0 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 185, Range: 110-510

> > > > >

> > > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed after the

> > nolvadex, it

> > > > has been coming down. My Test seems to great,

> > I'm 26

> > > > and a college student. My DHEA has fallen

> > > > dramatically, I am still waiting the latest

> > etradiol

> > > > figures. I'll post em asap. My LH hasn't

> > > > returned to baseline.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still feel depressed, no energy, lack of

> > libido,

> > > > can't sustain an erection, I have test.

> > atrophy, I

> > > > feel like I've aged 15 years through this whole

> > incident.

> > > > >

> > > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on the Test

> > cream, but

> > > > I don't want to unless absolutely necessary, and

> > my test

> > > > levels are good.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can't find out what's wrong with me, and I

> > can't

> > > > afford to see Dr. right now. I am saving

> > up

> > > > however.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone give me their opinion what

> > happened?

> > > > I am really desperate. Thanks all.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

February 23, 2010

No this is not the way I tell men to take this but it's working for you so keep

doing what your doing. I tell men to take one tablet at dinner time and to keep

track of there wood when he comes back your in the sweet spot. I tell them to

keep track of there wood and if it stops. This means your going down to low so

just stop taking it until wood comes back. That day go back on it but cut the

tablet in half.

Your doing great keep doing what your doing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Can some one help me analyze my blood work?

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:01 PM

>

> Hey Phil.

>

> I've been taking the Indoplex DIM every couple of

> days. I am having random erections again and morning

> wood. Seems to be helping.

>

> I think my E2 was high this whole time.

>

> Do you think I'm taking the DIM correctly? I take 1

> every 2-3 days around dinner time.

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > > > Test Total: = 1068 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free: 04/01/09 = 2.09

> range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test: 04/109 = 223.2

> range: 35-155

> > > > > > LH: 3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 413, Range:

> 110-510

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline:

> 07/10/09

> > > > > > Test Total: = 792 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test: = 149.7 range:

> > > > > 35-155

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:

> 10/14/10

> > > > > > Test Total: = 1106 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test: = 222.3 range:

> > > > > 35-155

> > > > > > LH: 10.9 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 255, Range:

> 110-510

> > > > > > Estradiol, Free : 0.89(h)

> > > > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > > > Estradiol: 38 (H)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > > > Test Total: = 836 range:

> 25-1100

> > > > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > Free Test: = 185.6 range:

> > > > > 35-155

> > > > > > LH: 6.0 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 185, Range:

> 110-510

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed

> after the

> > > nolvadex, it

> > > > > has been coming down. My Test seems

> to great,

> > > I'm 26

> > > > > and a college student. My DHEA has

> fallen

> > > > > dramatically, I am still waiting the

> latest

> > > etradiol

> > > > > figures. I'll post em asap. My LH

> hasn't

> > > > > returned to baseline.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I still feel depressed, no energy,

> lack of

> > > libido,

> > > > > can't sustain an erection, I have

> test.

> > > atrophy, I

> > > > > feel like I've aged 15 years through

> this whole

> > > incident.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on

> the Test

> > > cream, but

> > > > > I don't want to unless absolutely

> necessary, and

> > > my test

> > > > > levels are good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can't find out what's wrong with

> me, and I

> > > can't

> > > > > afford to see Dr. right now. I

> am saving

> > > up

> > > > > however.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can anyone give me their opinion

> what

> > > happened?

> > > > > I am really desperate. Thanks all.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

May 12, 2010

I made my appointment with Dr. Crisler. Finally. I should have done this

months ago. I see him June 3rd. Flying from FL.

My symptoms are weird now. I'm not taking anything aside from a multi-vitamin.

But I tend to fluctuate. Sometimes I have good wood, sometimes I don't.

Sometimes I feel great, sometimes I don't.

I recently had the sensitive E2 test done (awaiting results), I'll bring them to

Dr. . I'm sure he'll figure out what's going on with my endocrine system.

I will def. let you guys know, how everything goes!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was on TRT and I took Nolvadex:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Baslines, Natural 04/01/09:

> > > > > > > Test Total: = 1068 range:

> > 25-1100

> > > > > > > Test Free: 04/01/09 = 2.09

> > range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > > Free Test: 04/109 = 223.2

> > range: 35-155

> > > > > > > LH: 3.7 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 413, Range:

> > 110-510

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Natural Testosterone Baselline:

> > 07/10/09

> > > > > > > Test Total: = 792 range:

> > 25-1100

> > > > > > > Test Free: = 1.89 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > > Free Test: = 149.7 range:

> > > > > > 35-155

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Test of TRT and Nolvadex:

> > 10/14/10

> > > > > > > Test Total: = 1106 range:

> > 25-1100

> > > > > > > Test Free : = 2.01 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > > Free Test: = 222.3 range:

> > > > > > 35-155

> > > > > > > LH: 10.9 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 255, Range:

> > 110-510

> > > > > > > Estradiol, Free : 0.89(h)

> > > > > > > Estradiol % Free: 2.33 (h)

> > > > > > > Estradiol: 38 (H)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Newest Blood Work, 01/22/10

> > > > > > > Test Total: = 836 range:

> > 25-1100

> > > > > > > Test Free : = 2.22 range: 1.5-2.2

> > > > > > > Free Test: = 185.6 range:

> > > > > > 35-155

> > > > > > > LH: 6.0 Range: 1.5-9.3

> > > > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 185, Range:

> > 110-510

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In summary, My LH skyrocketed

> > after the

> > > > nolvadex, it

> > > > > > has been coming down. My Test seems

> > to great,

> > > > I'm 26

> > > > > > and a college student. My DHEA has

> > fallen

> > > > > > dramatically, I am still waiting the

> > latest

> > > > etradiol

> > > > > > figures. I'll post em asap. My LH

> > hasn't

> > > > > > returned to baseline.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I still feel depressed, no energy,

> > lack of

> > > > libido,

> > > > > > can't sustain an erection, I have

> > test.

> > > > atrophy, I

> > > > > > feel like I've aged 15 years through

> > this whole

> > > > incident.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My TRT doc wants me put me back on

> > the Test

> > > > cream, but

> > > > > > I don't want to unless absolutely

> > necessary, and

> > > > my test

> > > > > > levels are good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can't find out what's wrong with

> > me, and I

> > > > can't

> > > > > > afford to see Dr. right now. I

> > am saving

> > > > up

> > > > > > however.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can anyone give me their opinion

> > what

> > > > happened?

> > > > > > I am really desperate. Thanks all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

May 12, 2010

If I may suggest, make a list of all the questions and issues you will have for

him. I went and saw him and I wish I written some stuff down as I forgot to ask

him a couple of things. He's a bright guy and he'll give you a lot of info in a

brief amount of time.. so be ready to take notes.

Good luck (and I'm curious to see what you think of him - I've seen him just

once so far, about a month ago),