Re: Confused over E2 results + new E2 result from this week!

[Guest guest]

,

I think what they are telling you is this is not a sensitive estradiol test for

Estraidol like we have here in the USA. It's a women's test and the lower the

levels the less accurate the test is under 80 pg/ml.

Still you can use this your still over 20 pg/ml and have feelings of high

Estradiol. Also I am not sure but the other test in nmol/L is not some then we

see here or in the UK in the UK they use pmol/L I think your .15nmol/L is = to

150 pmol/L and this is very high 20 pg/ml is = to 74 pmol/L. And I just checked

this out.

So your problems are your Estraidol levels are very high.

I don't feel your HC dose has anything to do with this. I took the same dose 30

mgs / day but moved 5 mgs to betime to help with E2 levels and it helped.

My Dr. yesterday lowered my dose of Test C shots and today I am doing better and

going to the bathroom every 30 min's I am losing all the water the high E2 was

making my body hold.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Confused over E2 results + new E2 result from this

week!

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 8:25 AM

> Look, let's go back to mid December

> 2010. I got an E2 reading analyzed in Brussels, Belgium, at

> 69 pg/mL. The range is <30 pg/mL. I emailed the lab,

> RP-LAB (supposed to be an amazing lab! Hertoghe loves them

> and calles them " Awesome! " ), and asked them to do another

> analyze of the same blood if they had any left. It was more

> than 1 month since they did the first analyze. And they

> actually found some of my blood and did another E2-analyze.

> The results came back as 40 pg/mL. My question is: How can

> the same blood give two different results? 69 and 40 pg/mL?

> I emailed them back and asked what THAT was all about, and

> got this reply:

>

> " The calibration curve of the assay of estradiol ranging

> from 80 to 1000 pg/mL. So there is a greater variation

> coefficient when you are in the lower partof the curve

> (<80 pg / mL). Usually is measured rates ranging from 100

> to 1000 pg / mL, while knowingthat the error of measurement

> on low values is more important. Again I told you that the

> audit was performed on serum from 1 month old. For me there

> was no significant difference between 69 and 40 pg / mL. "

>

> Say WHAT? I really did NOT get that, and my English is

> perfect. Maybe Phil can explain?

>

> I also got a THIRD E2 result, done in a Norwegian lab only

> a couple of days ago. Blood was drawn at the same time as

> the first sample done in December for the Brussels, Belgium

> lab, at 11 am, fasting (I did take Hydrocortison before both

> blood draws) - So the results should be comparable! The

> result from the brand new E2-test is: 0.15* nmol/l (<0.14

> nmol/l). So although they use a different measurement

> method, we can see that this new result is slightly above

> the top range for men. I guess this means I am above top

> range, cause the " control-test " they did of my blood in

> Brussels, Belgium, showed an E2 of 40 pg/mL, while their

> range is <30 pg/mL. So I assume my body is converting

> into too much E2.

>

> HAVING SAID THAT, let's go back to mid November. 1 month

> before the Brussels, belgium blood was analyzed, my E2 was

> at 0.11 nmol/l. WHICH WAS IN RANGE, AT LEAST! That labs

> range is <0.18. This is a third lab, but it's also

> Norwegian like the lab I used this last week. The one I'm

> using this time, is the best one in all of Norway.

>

> I don't know what to make from all these results. All I

> know is I take my blood in the morning, at 11 am, fasting -

> I do this as a golden standard to ensure my results can be

> comparable to each other. Even if I use different labs - I

> have to do that.

>

> I also have other hormone results from this latest

> Norwegian lab, done along with the E2:

>

> S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7)

> Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured: Testosteron

> (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

> S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

>

> I did increase HC from 35 to 40 mg a week ago cause of

> slightly high temps at 99.0, but got too low temps on more

> HC. Now they're like 98.0. But I did just get a 98.6 reading

> so, I don't know. My face is definitely MUCH more bloated

> now on 40 mg HC. Could be because HC uses up Thyroid. E2

> " eating up " Testosterone could also be a big issue for me

> now.

>

> And I have no idea if anyone here knows what THIS is all

> about, but last night I found black patches inside my right

> cheek, in my mouth. Scary as hell. Looks like the black

> substance, which seems to be within the flesh of my cheek,

> is moving onto my teeth as well. Yikes. Is this the black

> death or what!?!? Asked GP about it, he looked at it and

> just said " some kind of blood blablabla " and didn't seem

> worried about it. But I still am worried about the black

> patches. Especially because my overall health is VERY bad at

> the moment: Pressure in my head, total stuck nose (only

> right side), and just the horrible feeling of not being in

> the real world! :-(

>

> Thanks for your time, I really appreciate it guys!

>

> Best Regards,

> in Norway

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm I dont know. It just seems Weird to me that E2 would end up with two

different values after testing it twice using the same blood.

Well I never had E2 Above top range before so it seems T-gel and DHEA

supplementing is doing this to me, or My body decided to convert like this.

When E2 is above top range; no matter the measurement used, I Think it's safe to

say it's not good for a man.

The only solution is to tale arimidex 0.25 mg daily in the compounded caps I got

from the pharmacy in Brussels?

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Den 26. jan. 2011 kl. 18.08 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

,

I think what they are telling you is this is not a sensitive estradiol test for

Estraidol like we have here in the USA. It's a women's test and the lower the

levels the less accurate the test is under 80 pg/ml.

Still you can use this your still over 20 pg/ml and have feelings of high

Estradiol. Also I am not sure but the other test in nmol/L is not some then we

see here or in the UK in the UK they use pmol/L I think your .15nmol/L is = to

150 pmol/L and this is very high 20 pg/ml is = to 74 pmol/L. And I just checked

this out.

So your problems are your Estraidol levels are very high.

I don't feel your HC dose has anything to do with this. I took the same dose 30

mgs / day but moved 5 mgs to betime to help with E2 levels and it helped.

My Dr. yesterday lowered my dose of Test C shots and today I am doing better and

going to the bathroom every 30 min's I am losing all the water the high E2 was

making my body hold.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Confused over E2 results + new E2 result from this

week!

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 8:25 AM

> Look, let's go back to mid December

> 2010. I got an E2 reading analyzed in Brussels, Belgium, at

> 69 pg/mL. The range is <30 pg/mL. I emailed the lab,

> RP-LAB (supposed to be an amazing lab! Hertoghe loves them

> and calles them " Awesome! " ), and asked them to do another

> analyze of the same blood if they had any left. It was more

> than 1 month since they did the first analyze. And they

> actually found some of my blood and did another E2-analyze.

> The results came back as 40 pg/mL. My question is: How can

> the same blood give two different results? 69 and 40 pg/mL?

> I emailed them back and asked what THAT was all about, and

> got this reply:

>

> " The calibration curve of the assay of estradiol ranging

> from 80 to 1000 pg/mL. So there is a greater variation

> coefficient when you are in the lower partof the curve

> (<80 pg / mL). Usually is measured rates ranging from 100

> to 1000 pg / mL, while knowingthat the error of measurement

> on low values is more important. Again I told you that the

> audit was performed on serum from 1 month old. For me there

> was no significant difference between 69 and 40 pg / mL. "

>

> Say WHAT? I really did NOT get that, and my English is

> perfect. Maybe Phil can explain?

>

> I also got a THIRD E2 result, done in a Norwegian lab only

> a couple of days ago. Blood was drawn at the same time as

> the first sample done in December for the Brussels, Belgium

> lab, at 11 am, fasting (I did take Hydrocortison before both

> blood draws) - So the results should be comparable! The

> result from the brand new E2-test is: 0.15* nmol/l (<0.14

> nmol/l). So although they use a different measurement

> method, we can see that this new result is slightly above

> the top range for men. I guess this means I am above top

> range, cause the " control-test " they did of my blood in

> Brussels, Belgium, showed an E2 of 40 pg/mL, while their

> range is <30 pg/mL. So I assume my body is converting

> into too much E2.

>

> HAVING SAID THAT, let's go back to mid November. 1 month

> before the Brussels, belgium blood was analyzed, my E2 was

> at 0.11 nmol/l. WHICH WAS IN RANGE, AT LEAST! That labs

> range is <0.18. This is a third lab, but it's also

> Norwegian like the lab I used this last week. The one I'm

> using this time, is the best one in all of Norway.

>

> I don't know what to make from all these results. All I

> know is I take my blood in the morning, at 11 am, fasting -

> I do this as a golden standard to ensure my results can be

> comparable to each other. Even if I use different labs - I

> have to do that.

>

> I also have other hormone results from this latest

> Norwegian lab, done along with the E2:

>

> S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7)

> Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured: Testosteron

> (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

> S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

>

> I did increase HC from 35 to 40 mg a week ago cause of

> slightly high temps at 99.0, but got too low temps on more

> HC. Now they're like 98.0. But I did just get a 98.6 reading

> so, I don't know. My face is definitely MUCH more bloated

> now on 40 mg HC. Could be because HC uses up Thyroid. E2

> " eating up " Testosterone could also be a big issue for me

> now.

>

> And I have no idea if anyone here knows what THIS is all

> about, but last night I found black patches inside my right

> cheek, in my mouth. Scary as hell. Looks like the black

> substance, which seems to be within the flesh of my cheek,

> is moving onto my teeth as well. Yikes. Is this the black

> death or what!?!? Asked GP about it, he looked at it and

> just said " some kind of blood blablabla " and didn't seem

> worried about it. But I still am worried about the black

> patches. Especially because my overall health is VERY bad at

> the moment: Pressure in my head, total stuck nose (only

> right side), and just the horrible feeling of not being in

> the real world! :-(

>

> Thanks for your time, I really appreciate it guys!

>

> Best Regards,

> in Norway

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes do that and read the following so you don't end up going to low.

=================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> > Subject: Confused over E2 results + new

> E2 result from this week!

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 8:25 AM

> > Look, let's go back to mid December

> > 2010. I got an E2 reading analyzed in Brussels,

> Belgium, at

> > 69 pg/mL. The range is <30 pg/mL. I emailed the

> lab,

> > RP-LAB (supposed to be an amazing lab! Hertoghe loves

> them

> > and calles them " Awesome! " ), and asked them to do

> another

> > analyze of the same blood if they had any left. It was

> more

> > than 1 month since they did the first analyze. And

> they

> > actually found some of my blood and did another

> E2-analyze.

> > The results came back as 40 pg/mL. My question is: How

> can

> > the same blood give two different results? 69 and 40

> pg/mL?

> > I emailed them back and asked what THAT was all about,

> and

> > got this reply:

> >

> > " The calibration curve of the assay of estradiol

> ranging

> > from 80 to 1000 pg/mL. So there is a greater

> variation

> > coefficient when you are in the lower partof the

> curve

> > (<80 pg / mL). Usually is measured rates ranging

> from 100

> > to 1000 pg / mL, while knowingthat the error of

> measurement

> > on low values is more important. Again I told you that

> the

> > audit was performed on serum from 1 month old. For me

> there

> > was no significant difference between 69 and 40 pg /

> mL. "

> >

> > Say WHAT? I really did NOT get that, and my English

> is

> > perfect. Maybe Phil can explain?

> >

> > I also got a THIRD E2 result, done in a Norwegian lab

> only

> > a couple of days ago. Blood was drawn at the same time

> as

> > the first sample done in December for the Brussels,

> Belgium

> > lab, at 11 am, fasting (I did take Hydrocortison

> before both

> > blood draws) - So the results should be comparable!

> The

> > result from the brand new E2-test is: 0.15* nmol/l

> (<0.14

> > nmol/l). So although they use a different measurement

> > method, we can see that this new result is slightly

> above

> > the top range for men. I guess this means I am above

> top

> > range, cause the " control-test " they did of my blood

> in

> > Brussels, Belgium, showed an E2 of 40 pg/mL, while

> their

> > range is <30 pg/mL. So I assume my body is

> converting

> > into too much E2.

> >

> > HAVING SAID THAT, let's go back to mid November. 1

> month

> > before the Brussels, belgium blood was analyzed, my E2

> was

> > at 0.11 nmol/l. WHICH WAS IN RANGE, AT LEAST! That

> labs

> > range is <0.18. This is a third lab, but it's also

> > Norwegian like the lab I used this last week. The one

> I'm

> > using this time, is the best one in all of Norway.

> >

> > I don't know what to make from all these results. All

> I

> > know is I take my blood in the morning, at 11 am,

> fasting -

> > I do this as a golden standard to ensure my results

> can be

> > comparable to each other. Even if I use different labs

> - I

> > have to do that.

> >

> > I also have other hormone results from this latest

> > Norwegian lab, done along with the E2:

> >

> > S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> > S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> > S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7)

> > Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured:

> Testosteron

> > (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

> > S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> > S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> > S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> > S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

> >

> > I did increase HC from 35 to 40 mg a week ago cause

> of

> > slightly high temps at 99.0, but got too low temps on

> more

> > HC. Now they're like 98.0. But I did just get a 98.6

> reading

> > so, I don't know. My face is definitely MUCH more

> bloated

> > now on 40 mg HC. Could be because HC uses up Thyroid.

> E2

> > " eating up " Testosterone could also be a big issue for

> me

> > now.

> >

> > And I have no idea if anyone here knows what THIS is

> all

> > about, but last night I found black patches inside my

> right

> > cheek, in my mouth. Scary as hell. Looks like the

> black

> > substance, which seems to be within the flesh of my

> cheek,

> > is moving onto my teeth as well. Yikes. Is this the

> black

> > death or what!?!? Asked GP about it, he looked at it

> and

> > just said " some kind of blood blablabla " and didn't

> seem

> > worried about it. But I still am worried about the

> black

> > patches. Especially because my overall health is VERY

> bad at

> > the moment: Pressure in my head, total stuck nose

> (only

> > right side), and just the horrible feeling of not

> being in

> > the real world! :-(

> >

> > Thanks for your time, I really appreciate it guys!

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > in Norway

> >

> >

> >

> >       

> >

> >