Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Snoring = sleep apnea needs to be ruled out through sleep study When people dealing with aldosterone issues I suggest more sea salts. I take 1/2 tsp 3 times a day with balancing out with 4-5 grams of natural potassium. I know he loves gh and thinks every one should be on it. Being on GH can cause your adrenals to take a nose dive or it may help them heal. I know I like to see adrenals, thyroid, e2, all in check before moving on to gh or GHRT. Taking in fats you need to make sure you are absorbing it thorugh proper fat digestion. People that have severe health issues have impaired malaborption making supplements basically useless. I know intestinal inflammation namely intestial dysbiosis can cause the body to lose alot of salt as well. I get the best workouts when I have a combintion of sodium and potassium in 1:1 ratio. Excessive exercise can also cause a person to deplete sodium levels as well. > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of water, every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe snoring increases HCT. > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from 1/2 tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more saturated fats to feel better! > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 mg daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea spoon + some on my food), which means that I need to add Potassium 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying here. Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has been good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all look good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish 138. (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea salt to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would taking Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? I am afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had one HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP to go SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was gonna die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. Hertoghe says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with such adverse reactions as I had back in > March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. Should I do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone before I try it again? > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of Fludrocortison daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, Hertoghe says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 months, start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose every 10 days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > I have an appointment with him in his office on February 16th 2011. > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Hertoghe likes to dose by symptoms. But if one doesn't know what is causing a symptom, and let's say takes less Thyroid, like I've done a couple of times, the result can be a worsening of the condition: Like I experienced myself. So when I start GH any day now, he tells me I need less Thyroid. I say: How do I know it's Thyroid I need less of? And not MORE sea salt, or MORE potassium? It's just impossive to tell things apart. I don't really want to live like this.... Everything being a guessing game! I will get Arimidex within 2 weeks in the mail. That's a long wait. I could order it by FedEx. It would be $150 for shipping that to me with express. I'd then have Arimidex on let's say Wednesday or Thursday next week. Should I ship it express, considering my E2-level? I would like someone to answer this: How fast can E2 rise? In just 2 weeks it shot up from midrange to more than twice the top range. Is this POSSIBLE or is it a lab error? Should I run another blood test NOW to see where my levels are at again before I start Arimidex? From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 2:31 PM Â Snoring = sleep apnea needs to be ruled out through sleep study When people dealing with aldosterone issues I suggest more sea salts. I take 1/2 tsp 3 times a day with balancing out with 4-5 grams of natural potassium. I know he loves gh and thinks every one should be on it. Being on GH can cause your adrenals to take a nose dive or it may help them heal. I know I like to see adrenals, thyroid, e2, all in check before moving on to gh or GHRT. Taking in fats you need to make sure you are absorbing it thorugh proper fat digestion. People that have severe health issues have impaired malaborption making supplements basically useless. I know intestinal inflammation namely intestial dysbiosis can cause the body to lose alot of salt as well. I get the best workouts when I have a combintion of sodium and potassium in 1:1 ratio. Excessive exercise can also cause a person to deplete sodium levels as well. > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of water, every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe snoring increases HCT. > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from 1/2 tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more saturated fats to feel better! > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 mg daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea spoon + some on my food), which means that I need to add Potassium 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying here. Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has been good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all look good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish 138. (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea salt to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would taking Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? I am afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had one HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP to go SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was gonna die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. Hertoghe says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with such adverse reactions as I had back in > March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. Should I do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone before I try it again? > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of Fludrocortison daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, Hertoghe says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 months, start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose every 10 days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > I have an appointment with him in his office on February 16th 2011. > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Before dealing with any client I work on building the person from cellular level up starting with cell membranes, electrolyte, improving digestion, opening lymphatic system, healing the liver while focusing on lifestlye, and identifing the potential hidden stressors then goto hormones (adrenals thyroid sex hormones) or neurotransmiters if they need to be supported. Why dump more hormones into a toxic environment. By fixing things in this order it will potentially correct any thyroid or hormonal imbalance. This approach has pretty much been the core of my recovery programs for both my clients as well as dr overbecks. > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of water, every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe snoring increases HCT. > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from 1/2 tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more saturated fats to feel better! > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 mg daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea spoon + some on my food), which means that I need to add Potassium 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying here. Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has been good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all look good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish 138. (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea salt to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would taking Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? I am afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had one HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP to go SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was gonna die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. Hertoghe says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with such adverse reactions as I had back in > > > March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. Should I do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone before I try it again? > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of Fludrocortison daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, Hertoghe says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 months, start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose every 10 days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his office on February 16th 2011. > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Tom, Can you buy nose strips called " BREATHE RIGHT " I get the large skin colored and use it every night helps me breathe and keeps my snoring down. Yes if I am dehydrated bad I snore bad. As for taking Aldosterone don't you mean taking Fludrocortison or Florinef. I have been over this with you before I am sure of it. I told you when you start on the meds for low Aldosterone levels you need to start low taking 1/4 of a .1 mg pill of Florinef in the morning and go up 1/4 of a pill every 5 to 7 days until your doing .1 mgs in the morning. So the first day you take 1/4 of the .1 mg pill then in 5 to 7 days you take 1/2 of the pill first thing in the morning. And keep adding it until your doing.1mgs along with this your need to add in 1/2 tsp full of Sea Salt to about 24oz's of water all day long. As for Potassium it's not about your blood levels but what is in your cells. Because I dump my sodium due to low Aldosterone I hold water and need to take a water pill every other day so my Potassium levels look good on labs but I feel better taking the pill every other day. I don't know I think you need to stop worrying about taking hormone meds if your Secondary you need them. I use this for Sea Salt and put it in a canteen using filtered water. http://tinyurl.com/yky2mpn I use this canteen with the unscrew top. http://www.kleankanteen.com/products/classic/klean-kanteen-27oz-classic.php I don't drink out of plastic bottles for water they can leach E's into the water from the plastic. Co-Moderator Phil Co-Moderator Phil > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > Subject: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of water, > every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe snoring > increases HCT. > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from 1/2 > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more saturated > fats to feel better! > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add > supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 mg > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea spoon + > some on my food), which means that I need to add Potassium > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying here. > Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has been > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all look > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish 138. > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea salt > to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would taking > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? I am > afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had one > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP to go > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was gonna > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. Hertoghe > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with such > adverse reactions as I had back in > March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. Should I > do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone before I try > it again? > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of Fludrocortison > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, Hertoghe > says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 months, > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose every 10 > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > I have an appointment with him in his office on February > 16th 2011. > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 When I went on HGH I was on Armour at thyroid med doing a good 4 grains of it / day. After a time I started to feel edgy was sweating felt hot my temps avg went up from 98.4 to 99.8 my heart rate was up and my BP went up. What happened is the HGH made my Thyroid work and I went hyper. We ended up backing off the med until I was off it. The only thing on labs that showed this could be going on was my TSH was .05 bottom of range is .4. So it was not labs but how I felt that told my Dr. I went hyper. Co-Moderator Phil > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 2:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Snoring = sleep apnea needs to be > ruled out through sleep study > > When people dealing with aldosterone issues I suggest > more sea salts. > > I take 1/2 tsp 3 times a day with balancing out with 4-5 > grams of natural potassium. I know he loves gh and thinks > every one should be on it. Being on GH can cause your > adrenals to take a nose dive or it may help them heal. I > know I like to see adrenals, thyroid, e2, all in check > before moving on to gh or GHRT. Taking in fats you need to > make sure you are absorbing it thorugh proper fat digestion. > People that have severe health issues have impaired > malaborption making supplements basically useless. I > know intestinal inflammation namely intestial dysbiosis can > cause the body to lose alot of salt as well. I get the best > workouts when I have a combintion of sodium and potassium in > 1:1 ratio. Excessive exercise can also cause a person to > deplete sodium levels as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of water, > every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe snoring > increases HCT. > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from > 1/2 tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more > saturated fats to feel better! > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add > supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 mg > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea spoon + > some on my food), which means that I need to add Potassium > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying here. > Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has been > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all look > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish 138. > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea salt > to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would taking > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? I am > afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had one > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP to go > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was gonna > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. Hertoghe > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with such > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. > Should I do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone > before I try it again? > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of Fludrocortison > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, Hertoghe > says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 > months, start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose > every 10 days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his office on > February 16th 2011. > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Gh can cause depletion of t4 because it can speed up conversion of T4 to T3. So when people are on t4 to t3 blend they could have a higher ft3 to ft4 ratio. When starting gh your dr needs to closely monitor thyroid and adrenal function. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of water, > > every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe snoring > > increases HCT. > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from > > 1/2 tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more > > saturated fats to feel better! > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add > > supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 mg > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea spoon + > > some on my food), which means that I need to add Potassium > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying here. > > Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has been > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all look > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish 138. > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea salt > > to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would taking > > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? I am > > afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had one > > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP to go > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was gonna > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. Hertoghe > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with such > > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > > > March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. > > Should I do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone > > before I try it again? > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of Fludrocortison > > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, Hertoghe > > says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 > > months, start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose > > every 10 days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his office on > > February 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Why dont you just take Fludrocortison/Florinef instead of the water pill? I feel SO strange and bad in my head now, like my brain is.... being eaten up.. The sensation is so WEIRD and baaad... I guess this is high E2 _OR_ high HCT doing this to me... In any way: What do I do to stop this? Is Arimidex the only way to fix this head symptom? Should I pay like $170 USD for express shipping to get it in just 2-3 days? Do I need it THAT bad? It sure FEELS bad.... :-( I just wanna call 911. > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > Subject: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of water, > every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe snoring > increases HCT. > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from 1/2 > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more saturated > fats to feel better! > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add > supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 mg > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea spoon + > some on my food), which means that I need to add Potassium > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying here. > Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has been > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all look > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish 138. > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea salt > to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would taking > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? I am > afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had one > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP to go > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was gonna > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. Hertoghe > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with such > adverse reactions as I had back in > March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. Should I > do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone before I try > it again? > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of Fludrocortison > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, Hertoghe > says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 months, > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose every 10 > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > I have an appointment with him in his office on February > 16th 2011. > > Comments? > > > > > > Â Â Â > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 When my Estradiol levels are high I get waves panic feelings that make me even sweat the only thing that helps me with this is to take Arimidex. You can by the generic Arimidex from the ADC is your Dr. will let you try it. http://www.alldaychemist.com/75_Arimidex-1mg If you get them get back to me I will tell you how to take them. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of > water, > > > every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe > snoring > > > increases HCT. > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from > 1/2 > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more > saturated > > > fats to feel better! > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add > > > supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 > mg > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea > spoon + > > > some on my food), which means that I need to add > Potassium > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying > here. > > > Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has > been > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all > look > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish > 138. > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea > salt > > > to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would > taking > > > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? > I am > > > afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had > one > > > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP > to go > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was > gonna > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. > Hertoghe > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with > such > > > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. > Should I > > > do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone before > I try > > > it again? > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of > Fludrocortison > > > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, > Hertoghe > > > says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 > months, > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose > every 10 > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his office on > February > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 When ever you get into this situation the best thing to do is to call your DR and goto the ER room. E2 modulates neurotransmitter signalling in the brain that cause elevated NE levels to put you in to a heighten state of awareness or IE panic attacks. When dealing with people I like to have some what of a basis of their emotional stabliity as well as some what of how their neurotransmitters are. There is a high integreation of how neurotransmiter and hormones are interlinked. Dr that are dealing with just hormones not knowing the interaction could be making the issue worse depending on what pre existing neurological embalance that is occuring. When given T dopamine goes up and if you are low serotonin then this can also bring on these panic attacks as well. SO one needs to address both issues at the same time to get the paitent into balanced state. > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > Subject: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use > > > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of > > water, > > > > > every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe > > snoring > > > > > increases HCT. > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from > > 1/2 > > > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more > > saturated > > > > > fats to feel better! > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add > > > > > supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 > > mg > > > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea > > spoon + > > > > > some on my food), which means that I need to add > > Potassium > > > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying > > here. > > > > > Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has > > been > > > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all > > look > > > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish > > 138. > > > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea > > salt > > > > > to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would > > taking > > > > > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? > > I am > > > > > afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had > > one > > > > > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP > > to go > > > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was > > gonna > > > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. > > Hertoghe > > > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with > > such > > > > > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > > > March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. > > Should I > > > > > do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone before > > I try > > > > > it again? > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of > > Fludrocortison > > > > > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, > > Hertoghe > > > > > says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 > > months, > > > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose > > every 10 > > > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his office on > > February > > > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 So I will feel like this, mentally and physically bad in my head, but not die from high E2? It has been high, I guess, for 2 months now. Maybe it's higher than 69 pg/ml now. I feel like PRESSURE is in my head and in my eyes. Can I be strong and be without the ER or???? From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 5:59 PM Â When ever you get into this situation the best thing to do is to call your DR and goto the ER room. E2 modulates neurotransmitter signalling in the brain that cause elevated NE levels to put you in to a heighten state of awareness or IE panic attacks. When dealing with people I like to have some what of a basis of their emotional stabliity as well as some what of how their neurotransmitters are. There is a high integreation of how neurotransmiter and hormones are interlinked. Dr that are dealing with just hormones not knowing the interaction could be making the issue worse depending on what pre existing neurological embalance that is occuring. When given T dopamine goes up and if you are low serotonin then this can also bring on these panic attacks as well. SO one needs to address both issues at the same time to get the paitent into balanced state. > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > Subject: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use > > > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of > > water, > > > > > every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe > > snoring > > > > > increases HCT. > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from > > 1/2 > > > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more > > saturated > > > > > fats to feel better! > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add > > > > > supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 > > mg > > > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea > > spoon + > > > > > some on my food), which means that I need to add > > Potassium > > > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying > > here. > > > > > Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has > > been > > > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all > > look > > > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish > > 138. > > > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea > > salt > > > > > to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would > > taking > > > > > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? > > I am > > > > > afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had > > one > > > > > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP > > to go > > > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was > > gonna > > > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. > > Hertoghe > > > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with > > such > > > > > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > > >Â March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. > > Should I > > > > > do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone before > > I try > > > > > it again? > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of > > Fludrocortison > > > > > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, > > Hertoghe > > > > > says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 > > months, > > > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose > > every 10 > > > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his office on > > February > > > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Wait a mlnute!!!! High E2 gives panick attacks? Can fear trigger them, while high on E2? Cause: I have been getting panic attacks EVERY time I try to drive My car alone - It happens after 2 minutes when I am moving away from my apartment, knowing I am leaving My " safe home " , with a mysterious condition. Then it appens. Hear races and beats irregularly, and I Shake badly. This started after starting TRT!!!!!! Connection? Sendt fra min iPhone Den 8. jan. 2011 kl. 17.59 skrev " hardasnails1973 " <hardasnails1973@...>: When ever you get into this situation the best thing to do is to call your DR and goto the ER room. E2 modulates neurotransmitter signalling in the brain that cause elevated NE levels to put you in to a heighten state of awareness or IE panic attacks. When dealing with people I like to have some what of a basis of their emotional stabliity as well as some what of how their neurotransmitters are. There is a high integreation of how neurotransmiter and hormones are interlinked. Dr that are dealing with just hormones not knowing the interaction could be making the issue worse depending on what pre existing neurological embalance that is occuring. When given T dopamine goes up and if you are low serotonin then this can also bring on these panic attacks as well. SO one needs to address both issues at the same time to get the paitent into balanced state. > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > Subject: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - " Use > > > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 parts of > > water, > > > > > every night before bed, to avoid snoring. Maybe > > snoring > > > > > increases HCT. > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of Ghee (from > > 1/2 > > > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, more > > saturated > > > > > fats to feel better! > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in me. Add > > > > > supplements of minerals: I already take Magnesium (400 > > mg > > > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, 1/2 tea > > spoon + > > > > > some on my food), which means that I need to add > > Potassium > > > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot tabs lying > > here. > > > > > Afraid to try them though cause my serum potassium has > > been > > > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM Minerals all > > look > > > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at a lowish > > 138. > > > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to add more sea > > salt > > > > > to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? OR would > > taking > > > > > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into my cells? > > I am > > > > > afraid to replace too many hormones. I already had > > one > > > > > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, causeing my BP > > to go > > > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought I was > > gonna > > > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high probably. > > Hertoghe > > > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But with > > such > > > > > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > > > March/April 2010, I am worried to try it again. > > Should I > > > > > do more blood and urine samples of Aldosterone before > > I try > > > > > it again? > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of > > Fludrocortison > > > > > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone deficiency, > > Hertoghe > > > > > says. (I do have some black under my eyes sometimes) > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less than 4 > > months, > > > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same dose > > every 10 > > > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his office on > > February > > > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 When e2 is elevated for a long time and restored to normal, it can take months for the healing at the tissue level to occurin. The idea with e2 it has to be consistant for a long duration of time. Constant monitoring is crucial by your Dr. As any medical issue I have come across the first thing I tell a person if you feel ill goto ER room do not hesitant its better to be safe then sorry then also notify your dr that is on call. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 TRT can also cause number hormone imbalnaces from thyroid, adrenal, e2 issues. When my thyroid goes low I feel like I want to jump out of my skin thats because the adrenals are using NE and adrenaline to compensate which can put people into an extremely heighten state of awareness. I had patient that could not drive long distance and it was not untill we got her hormones and thyroid incheck till was corrected Remember low adrenal or thyroid stimulatea NE and adrenalaine. If you have high e2 it causes TBG to go up making thyroid useless to the body inducing a state of cellular thyroid deficiency. This is why I people never get resolution becaue Drs need to look at the whole picture.. > > Wait a mlnute!!!! High E2 gives panick attacks? Can fear trigger them, while high on E2? > > Cause: > > I have been getting panic attacks EVERY time I try to drive My car alone - It happens after 2 minutes when I am moving away from my apartment, knowing I am leaving My " safe home " , with a mysterious condition. Then it appens. Hear races and beats irregularly, and I Shake badly. > > This started after starting TRT!!!!!! > > Connection? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I have tried the ER many times for issued almost like this, and all they do is look at me and go " take a pain killer " and when I say I am on hormone replacement they go " never mess with hormones " and " your doctor is an idiot " . And NO checkups. From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 6:34 PM Â TRT can also cause number hormone imbalnaces from thyroid, adrenal, e2 issues. When my thyroid goes low I feel like I want to jump out of my skin thats because the adrenals are using NE and adrenaline to compensate which can put people into an extremely heighten state of awareness. I had patient that could not drive long distance and it was not untill we got her hormones and thyroid incheck till was corrected Remember low adrenal or thyroid stimulatea NE and adrenalaine. If you have high e2 it causes TBG to go up making thyroid useless to the body inducing a state of cellular thyroid deficiency. This is why I people never get resolution becaue Drs need to look at the whole picture.. > > Wait a mlnute!!!! High E2 gives panick attacks? Can fear trigger them, while high on E2? > > Cause: > > I have been getting panic attacks EVERY time I try to drive My car alone - It happens after 2 minutes when I am moving away from my apartment, knowing I am leaving My " safe home " , with a mysterious condition. Then it appens. Hear races and beats irregularly, and I Shake badly. > > This started after starting TRT!!!!!! > > Connection? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Again before even knowing where to begin I need a comprehensive profile of a person which includes crucial information dr's forget to even look into. Some e2 issue as of my own where resolved through making alternations in my lifestyle, balancing out gut and liver, and nutrient imbalance. If after 6-8 week no resolution then we move on to medical interventions. Since being off adex I feel so much better and more emotional stable. My lipid panel has also dramatically improved from it as well as armimdex in some people can lower HDL's and other factors. The best approach is a comprehensive and integrated approach. > > I have tried the ER many times for issued almost like this, and all they do is look at me and go " take a pain killer " and when I say I am on hormone replacement they go " never mess with hormones " and " your doctor is an idiot " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I have low good cholesterol already. Sendt fra min iPhone Den 8. jan. 2011 kl. 19.22 skrev " hardasnails1973 " <hardasnails1973@...>: Again before even knowing where to begin I need a comprehensive profile of a person which includes crucial information dr's forget to even look into. Some e2 issue as of my own where resolved through making alternations in my lifestyle, balancing out gut and liver, and nutrient imbalance. If after 6-8 week no resolution then we move on to medical interventions. Since being off adex I feel so much better and more emotional stable. My lipid panel has also dramatically improved from it as well as armimdex in some people can lower HDL's and other factors. The best approach is a comprehensive and integrated approach. > > I have tried the ER many times for issued almost like this, and all they do is look at me and go " take a pain killer " and when I say I am on hormone replacement they go " never mess with hormones " and " your doctor is an idiot " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Thing is.. I am putting my life and trust into the hands of Dr Hertoghe beacause of his name. He is famous. Seems to know a lot. I do feel TERRIBLE now. It is my fault I havent seen him in, soon, 8 months. BUT I have been running blood samples monthly at the GP's, so.. Things have been looking decent, til now. Sky high E2. Rising HCT. We can thank TRT. From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 7:22 PM Â Again before even knowing where to begin I need a comprehensive profile of a person which includes crucial information dr's forget to even look into. Some e2 issue as of my own where resolved through making alternations in my lifestyle, balancing out gut and liver, and nutrient imbalance. If after 6-8 week no resolution then we move on to medical interventions. Since being off adex I feel so much better and more emotional stable. My lipid panel has also dramatically improved from it as well as armimdex in some people can lower HDL's and other factors. The best approach is a comprehensive and integrated approach. > > I have tried the ER many times for issued almost like this, and all they do is look at me and go " take a pain killer " and when I say I am on hormone replacement they go " never mess with hormones " and " your doctor is an idiot " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I can't say how it's doing this to you but for me high Estraidol the levels you have I can leave my chair let alone drive a car. I had this problem for over 10 yrs and on bad days all I could do is sit and suffer. Nothing worked until I got my Estraidol tested and seen how high it was. Getting it down I was shocked to see my Panic Problems stopped. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <gibcast@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > " " < > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:24 PM > Wait a mlnute!!!! High E2 gives > panick attacks? Can fear trigger them, while high on E2? > > Cause: > > I have been getting panic attacks EVERY time I try to drive > My car alone - It happens after 2 minutes when I am moving > away from my apartment, knowing I am leaving My " safe home " , > with a mysterious condition. Then it appens. Hear races and > beats irregularly, and I Shake badly. > > This started after starting TRT!!!!!! > > Connection? > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > Den 8. jan. 2011 kl. 17.59 skrev " hardasnails1973 " <hardasnails1973@...>: > > When ever you get into this situation the best thing to do > is to call your DR and goto the ER room. E2 modulates > neurotransmitter signalling in the brain that cause elevated > NE levels to put you in to a heighten state of awareness or > IE panic attacks. When dealing with people I like to have > some what of a basis of their emotional stabliity as well as > some what of how their neurotransmitters are. There is a > high integreation of how neurotransmiter and hormones are > interlinked. Dr that are dealing with just hormones not > knowing the interaction could be making the issue worse > depending on what pre existing neurological embalance that > is occuring. When given T dopamine goes up and if you are > low serotonin then this can also bring on these panic > attacks as well. SO one needs to address both issues at the > same time to get the paitent into balanced state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > > > Subject: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - > " Use > > > > > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 > parts of > > > water, > > > > > > > every night before bed, to avoid snoring. > Maybe > > > snoring > > > > > > > increases HCT. > > > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of > Ghee (from > > > 1/2 > > > > > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, > more > > > saturated > > > > > > > fats to feel better! > > > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in > me. Add > > > > > > > supplements of minerals: I already take > Magnesium (400 > > > mg > > > > > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, > 1/2 tea > > > spoon + > > > > > > > some on my food), which means that I need to > add > > > Potassium > > > > > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot > tabs lying > > > here. > > > > > > > Afraid to try them though cause my serum > potassium has > > > been > > > > > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM > Minerals all > > > look > > > > > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at > a lowish > > > 138. > > > > > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to > add more sea > > > salt > > > > > > > to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? > OR would > > > taking > > > > > > > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into > my cells? > > > I am > > > > > > > afraid to replace too many hormones. I > already had > > > one > > > > > > > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, > causeing my BP > > > to go > > > > > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought > I was > > > gonna > > > > > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high > probably. > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But > with > > > such > > > > > > > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > > > > > March/April 2010, I am worried to try > it again. > > > Should I > > > > > > > do more blood and urine samples of > Aldosterone before > > > I try > > > > > > > it again? > > > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of > > > Fludrocortison > > > > > > > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone > deficiency, > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > says. (I do have some black under my eyes > sometimes) > > > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less > than 4 > > > months, > > > > > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same > dose > > > every 10 > > > > > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his office > on > > > February > > > > > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 THIS feedback is HIGHLY appreciated Phil. See, if what I feel REALLY is high E2, and these symptoms ONLY appear when I am on TRT - Then I believe it can get better if I quit TR _or_ take Arimidex. I sadly read that Arimidex can give heart disease. Less blood flowing thru the heart... Side effect.. :-( Is this.. A big issue? > From: <gibcast@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > " " < > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:24 PM > Wait a mlnute!!!! High E2 gives > panick attacks? Can fear trigger them, while high on E2? > > Cause: > > I have been getting panic attacks EVERY time I try to drive > My car alone - It happens after 2 minutes when I am moving > away from my apartment, knowing I am leaving My " safe home " , > with a mysterious condition. Then it appens. Hear races and > beats irregularly, and I Shake badly. > > This started after starting TRT!!!!!! > > Connection? > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > Den 8. jan. 2011 kl. 17.59 skrev " hardasnails1973 " <hardasnails1973@...>: > > When ever you get into this situation the best thing to do > is to call your DR and goto the ER room. E2 modulates > neurotransmitter signalling in the brain that cause elevated > NE levels to put you in to a heighten state of awareness or > IE panic attacks. When dealing with people I like to have > some what of a basis of their emotional stabliity as well as > some what of how their neurotransmitters are. There is a > high integreation of how neurotransmiter and hormones are > interlinked. Dr that are dealing with just hormones not > knowing the interaction could be making the issue worse > depending on what pre existing neurological embalance that > is occuring. When given T dopamine goes up and if you are > low serotonin then this can also bring on these panic > attacks as well. SO one needs to address both issues at the > same time to get the paitent into balanced state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > > > Subject: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 now) - > " Use > > > > > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to 1000 > parts of > > > water, > > > > > > > every night before bed, to avoid snoring. > Maybe > > > snoring > > > > > > > increases HCT. > > > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose of > Ghee (from > > > 1/2 > > > > > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg yolk, > more > > > saturated > > > > > > > fats to feel better! > > > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem in > me. Add > > > > > > > supplements of minerals: I already take > Magnesium (400 > > > mg > > > > > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea salt, > 1/2 tea > > > spoon + > > > > > > > some on my food), which means that I need to > add > > > Potassium > > > > > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium depot > tabs lying > > > here. > > > > > > > Afraid to try them though cause my serum > potassium has > > > been > > > > > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM > Minerals all > > > look > > > > > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks ago at > a lowish > > > 138. > > > > > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need to > add more sea > > > salt > > > > > > > to my intake, instead of taking Aldosterone? > OR would > > > taking > > > > > > > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium into > my cells? > > > I am > > > > > > > afraid to replace too many hormones. I > already had > > > one > > > > > > > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, > causeing my BP > > > to go > > > > > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. Thought > I was > > > gonna > > > > > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too high > probably. > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not big. But > with > > > such > > > > > > > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > > > > >Â March/April 2010, I am worried to try > it again. > > > Should I > > > > > > > do more blood and urine samples of > Aldosterone before > > > I try > > > > > > > it again? > > > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) of > > > Fludrocortison > > > > > > > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone > deficiency, > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > says. (I do have some black under my eyes > sometimes) > > > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no less > than 4 > > > months, > > > > > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the same > dose > > > every 10 > > > > > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his office > on > > > February > > > > > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 No men don't take as much Arimidex as women need. At the most men only need .25 mgs every 2 days to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do great on every 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > " " > < > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:24 PM > > > Wait a mlnute!!!! High E2 gives > > > panick attacks? Can fear trigger them, while high on > E2? > > > > > > Cause: > > > > > > I have been getting panic attacks EVERY time I try to > drive > > > My car alone - It happens after 2 minutes when I am > moving > > > away from my apartment, knowing I am leaving My " safe > home " , > > > with a mysterious condition. Then it appens. Hear > races and > > > beats irregularly, and I Shake badly. > > > > > > This started after starting TRT!!!!!! > > > > > > Connection? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > > > > > Den 8. jan. 2011 kl. 17.59 skrev " hardasnails1973 " > <hardasnails1973@...>: > > > > > > When ever you get into this situation the best thing > to do > > > is to call your DR and goto the ER room. E2 modulates > > > neurotransmitter signalling in the brain that cause > elevated > > > NE levels to put you in to a heighten state of > awareness or > > > IE panic attacks. When dealing with people I like to > have > > > some what of a basis of their emotional stabliity as > well as > > > some what of how their neurotransmitters are. There is > a > > > high integreation of how neurotransmiter and hormones > are > > > interlinked. Dr that are dealing with just hormones > not > > > knowing the interaction could be making the issue > worse > > > depending on what pre existing neurological embalance > that > > > is occuring. When given T dopamine goes up and if you > are > > > low serotonin then this can also bring on these panic > > > attacks as well. SO one needs to address both issues > at the > > > same time to get the paitent into balanced state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Talked to > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 > now) - > > > " Use > > > > > > > > > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to > 1000 > > > parts of > > > > > water, > > > > > > > > > > > every night before bed, to avoid > snoring. > > > Maybe > > > > > snoring > > > > > > > > > > > increases HCT. > > > > > > > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose > of > > > Ghee (from > > > > > 1/2 > > > > > > > > > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg > yolk, > > > more > > > > > saturated > > > > > > > > > > > fats to feel better! > > > > > > > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem > in > > > me. Add > > > > > > > > > > > supplements of minerals: I already > take > > > Magnesium (400 > > > > > mg > > > > > > > > > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea > salt, > > > 1/2 tea > > > > > spoon + > > > > > > > > > > > some on my food), which means that I > need to > > > add > > > > > Potassium > > > > > > > > > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium > depot > > > tabs lying > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > Afraid to try them though cause my > serum > > > potassium has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM > > > Minerals all > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks > ago at > > > a lowish > > > > > 138. > > > > > > > > > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need > to > > > add more sea > > > > > salt > > > > > > > > > > > to my intake, instead of taking > Aldosterone? > > > OR would > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > > > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium > into > > > my cells? > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > afraid to replace too many hormones. I > > > already had > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, > > > causeing my BP > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. > Thought > > > I was > > > > > gonna > > > > > > > > > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too > high > > > probably. > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not > big. But > > > with > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > > > > > > > > > March/April 2010, I am worried to > try > > > it again. > > > > > Should I > > > > > > > > > > > do more blood and urine samples of > > > Aldosterone before > > > > > I try > > > > > > > > > > > it again? > > > > > > > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) > of > > > > > Fludrocortison > > > > > > > > > > > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone > > > deficiency, > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > says. (I do have some black under my > eyes > > > sometimes) > > > > > > > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no > less > > > than 4 > > > > > months, > > > > > > > > > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the > same > > > dose > > > > > every 10 > > > > > > > > > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his > office > > > on > > > > > February > > > > > > > > > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Self medicating adex can be very dangerous if you do not understand how the medication really works. It can also make pre exisiting mental condition even worse if one is not careful. > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as women need. At the most men only need ..25 mgs every 2 days to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do great on every 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Point well taken this is why I tell men with high levels of Estradiol to first try Indolplex/DIM. Co-Moderator Phil > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 3:05 PM > Self medicating adex can be very > dangerous if you do not understand how the medication really > works. It can also make pre exisiting mental condition even > worse if one is not careful. > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as women > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs every 2 days > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do great on every > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I have ruled e2 issues down to several factors which I feel 60-70% of guys once balanced will not need AI, but inorder to get proper testing it involves a few test such as nuta eval, cortisol saliva, blood test, medical profiling. If nutra evals shows problems with gut then stool sample test from tempe arizona is warranted. As mentioned before i had a few cases where e2 resolved once the liver and gut was balanced out as well as a few lifestyle changes have occured. > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as women > > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs every 2 days > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do great on every > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Yeah when I called up my order for Arimidex, they asked me if I wanted them to do capsuls of gelatin made with calcium, and 1/4 of the Arimidex pill. I said YES PLEASE! I will ask them to send it to me on Monday with FedEx. Shipping will be $170 USD alone. I feel it's worth it cause I really feel like I need it. UNLESS it's a lab error- PHIL? Can my E2 go up from MIDRANGE, to TWICE the top range in just 2 weeks? It's what happened to me in December. One result analyzed locally in Norway shows midrange E2 (at 0.11 - the to range is 18. pmol/l or something), the next result from Belgium (with shipped blood in the post) shows 69 pg/mL, and the top range is 30 pg/mL. > > > > > From: <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > " " > < > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:24 PM > > > Wait a mlnute!!!! High E2 gives > > > panick attacks? Can fear trigger them, while high on > E2? > > > > > > Cause: > > > > > > I have been getting panic attacks EVERY time I try to > drive > > > My car alone - It happens after 2 minutes when I am > moving > > > away from my apartment, knowing I am leaving My " safe > home " , > > > with a mysterious condition. Then it appens. Hear > races and > > > beats irregularly, and I Shake badly. > > > > > > This started after starting TRT!!!!!! > > > > > > Connection? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > > > > > Den 8. jan. 2011 kl. 17.59 skrev " hardasnails1973 " > <hardasnails1973@...>: > > > > > > When ever you get into this situation the best thing > to do > > > is to call your DR and goto the ER room. E2 modulates > > > neurotransmitter signalling in the brain that cause > elevated > > > NE levels to put you in to a heighten state of > awareness or > > > IE panic attacks. When dealing with people I like to > have > > > some what of a basis of their emotional stabliity as > well as > > > some what of how their neurotransmitters are. There is > a > > > high integreation of how neurotransmiter and hormones > are > > > interlinked. Dr that are dealing with just hormones > not > > > knowing the interaction could be making the issue > worse > > > depending on what pre existing neurological embalance > that > > > is occuring. When given T dopamine goes up and if you > are > > > low serotonin then this can also bring on these panic > > > attacks as well. SO one needs to address both issues > at the > > > same time to get the paitent into balanced state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Talked to > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 > now) - > > > " Use > > > > > > > > > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to > 1000 > > > parts of > > > > > water, > > > > > > > > > > > every night before bed, to avoid > snoring. > > > Maybe > > > > > snoring > > > > > > > > > > > increases HCT. > > > > > > > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose > of > > > Ghee (from > > > > > 1/2 > > > > > > > > > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg > yolk, > > > more > > > > > saturated > > > > > > > > > > > fats to feel better! > > > > > > > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem > in > > > me. Add > > > > > > > > > > > supplements of minerals: I already > take > > > Magnesium (400 > > > > > mg > > > > > > > > > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea > salt, > > > 1/2 tea > > > > > spoon + > > > > > > > > > > > some on my food), which means that I > need to > > > add > > > > > Potassium > > > > > > > > > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium > depot > > > tabs lying > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > Afraid to try them though cause my > serum > > > potassium has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM > > > Minerals all > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks > ago at > > > a lowish > > > > > 138. > > > > > > > > > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need > to > > > add more sea > > > > > salt > > > > > > > > > > > to my intake, instead of taking > Aldosterone? > > > OR would > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > > > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium > into > > > my cells? > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > afraid to replace too many hormones. I > > > already had > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, > > > causeing my BP > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. > Thought > > > I was > > > > > gonna > > > > > > > > > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too > high > > > probably. > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not > big. But > > > with > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > > > > > > > > > March/April 2010, I am worried to > try > > > it again. > > > > > Should I > > > > > > > > > > > do more blood and urine samples of > > > Aldosterone before > > > > > I try > > > > > > > > > > > it again? > > > > > > > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) > of > > > > > Fludrocortison > > > > > > > > > > > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone > > > deficiency, > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > says. (I do have some black under my > eyes > > > sometimes) > > > > > > > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no > less > > > than 4 > > > > > months, > > > > > > > > > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the > same > > > dose > > > > > every 10 > > > > > > > > > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his > office > > > on > > > > > February > > > > > > > > > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >     > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Well I hope it helps you feel better did you know 20 pg/ml is = to 74 pmol/l this is the best level you want to shoot for. But like Hard says some thing is making your body make a lot of Estraidol. I can't say what is doing this if I knew why I would fix myself. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: <gibcast@...> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > > " " > > > < > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:24 PM > > > > > > > Wait a mlnute!!!! High E2 gives > > > > > > > panick attacks? Can fear trigger them, while high > on > > > E2? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cause: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been getting panic attacks EVERY time I > try to > > > drive > > > > > > > My car alone - It happens after 2 minutes when I > am > > > moving > > > > > > > away from my apartment, knowing I am leaving My > " safe > > > home " , > > > > > > > with a mysterious condition. Then it appens. > Hear > > > races and > > > > > > > beats irregularly, and I Shake badly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This started after starting TRT!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connection? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Den 8. jan. 2011 kl. 17.59 skrev > " hardasnails1973 " > > > <hardasnails1973@...>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When ever you get into this situation the best > thing > > > to do > > > > > > > is to call your DR and goto the ER room. E2 > modulates > > > > > > > neurotransmitter signalling in the brain that > cause > > > elevated > > > > > > > NE levels to put you in to a heighten state of > > > awareness or > > > > > > > IE panic attacks. When dealing with people I like > to > > > have > > > > > > > some what of a basis of their emotional stabliity > as > > > well as > > > > > > > some what of how their neurotransmitters are. > There is > > > a > > > > > > > high integreation of how neurotransmiter and > hormones > > > are > > > > > > > interlinked. Dr that are dealing with just > hormones > > > not > > > > > > > knowing the interaction could be making the > issue > > > worse > > > > > > > depending on what pre existing neurological > embalance > > > that > > > > > > > is occuring. When given T dopamine goes up and if > you > > > are > > > > > > > low serotonin then this can also bring on these > panic > > > > > > > attacks as well. SO one needs to address both > issues > > > at the > > > > > > > same time to get the paitent into balanced state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Talked to > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, > 5:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to > 55 > > > now) - > > > > > > > " Use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt > to > > > 1000 > > > > > > > parts of > > > > > > > > > water, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every night before bed, to avoid > > > snoring. > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > snoring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > increases HCT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the > dose > > > of > > > > > > > Ghee (from > > > > > > > > > 1/2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the > egg > > > yolk, > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > saturated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fats to feel better! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral > problem > > > in > > > > > > > me. Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supplements of minerals: I > already > > > take > > > > > > > Magnesium (400 > > > > > > > > > mg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined > sea > > > salt, > > > > > > > 1/2 tea > > > > > > > > > spoon + > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some on my food), which means that > I > > > need to > > > > > > > add > > > > > > > > > Potassium > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg > Potassium > > > depot > > > > > > > tabs lying > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afraid to try them though cause > my > > > serum > > > > > > > potassium has > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My > SERUM > > > > > > > Minerals all > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few > weeks > > > ago at > > > > > > > a lowish > > > > > > > > > 138. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just > need > > > to > > > > > > > add more sea > > > > > > > > > salt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to my intake, instead of taking > > > Aldosterone? > > > > > > > OR would > > > > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aldosterone really help pushing > Sodium > > > into > > > > > > > my cells? > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > afraid to replace too many > hormones. I > > > > > > > already had > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HORRIBLE experience with > Aldosterone, > > > > > > > causeing my BP > > > > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat > irregularly. > > > Thought > > > > > > > I was > > > > > > > > > gonna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. > Too > > > high > > > > > > > probably. > > > > > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is > not > > > big. But > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adverse reactions as I had back > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March/April 2010, I am worried > to > > > try > > > > > > > it again. > > > > > > > > > Should I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do more blood and urine samples > of > > > > > > > Aldosterone before > > > > > > > > > I try > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it again? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 > cap) > > > of > > > > > > > > > Fludrocortison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daily. I have symptoms of > Aldosterone > > > > > > > deficiency, > > > > > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says. (I do have some black under > my > > > eyes > > > > > > > sometimes) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, > no > > > less > > > > > > > than 4 > > > > > > > > > months, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase > by the > > > same > > > > > > > dose > > > > > > > > > every 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in > his > > > office > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > February > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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