Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Tom, 6 months ago my E2 was 89, 2 months ago it was 64. I am still here. You arent going to die today, tommorow or even months from now, at least not from high E2. You just need to get it under control and sometimes it just takes time. I never had any panic attacks or anxiety from high E2. It just doesnt effect me that way, but it sure sounds like what it does to you. Maybe you just need something to calm your nerves down until you get everything back in check. Worry is your worst enemy...it magnifies all your other problems. > > So I will feel like this, mentally and physically bad in my head, but not die from high E2? It has been high, I guess, for 2 months now. Maybe it's higher than 69 pg/ml now. I feel like PRESSURE is in my head and in my eyes. Can I be strong and be without the ER or???? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Actually looking over his blood work there are a couple red flags that may point to a potential reason why which can be backed by clincal research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Talked to > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, > > 5:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to > > 55 > > > > > now) - > > > > > > > > > > > " Use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt > > to > > > > > 1000 > > > > > > > > > > > parts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > water, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every night before bed, to avoid > > > > > snoring. > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > snoring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > increases HCT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the > > dose > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Ghee (from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the > > egg > > > > > yolk, > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fats to feel better! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral > > problem > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > me. Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supplements of minerals: I > > already > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > Magnesium (400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > mg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined > > sea > > > > > salt, > > > > > > > > > > > 1/2 tea > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoon + > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some on my food), which means that > > I > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > add > > > > > > > > > > > > > Potassium > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg > > Potassium > > > > > depot > > > > > > > > > > > tabs lying > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afraid to try them though cause > > my > > > > > serum > > > > > > > > > > > potassium has > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My > > SERUM > > > > > > > > > > > Minerals all > > > > > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few > > weeks > > > > > ago at > > > > > > > > > > > a lowish > > > > > > > > > > > > > 138. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > add more sea > > > > > > > > > > > > > salt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to my intake, instead of taking > > > > > Aldosterone? > > > > > > > > > > > OR would > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aldosterone really help pushing > > Sodium > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > my cells? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > afraid to replace too many > > hormones. I > > > > > > > > > > > already had > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HORRIBLE experience with > > Aldosterone, > > > > > > > > > > > causeing my BP > > > > > > > > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat > > irregularly. > > > > > Thought > > > > > > > > > > > I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > gonna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. > > Too > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > probably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is > > not > > > > > big. But > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adverse reactions as I had back > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March/April 2010, I am worried > > to > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > > it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do more blood and urine samples > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Aldosterone before > > > > > > > > > > > > > I try > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it again? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 > > cap) > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fludrocortison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daily. I have symptoms of > > Aldosterone > > > > > > > > > > > deficiency, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says. (I do have some black under > > my > > > > > eyes > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, > > no > > > > > less > > > > > > > > > > > than 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > months, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase > > by the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > every 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in > > his > > > > > office > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > February > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Yes it can because of the underlying factor which needs to be identified, but I can not make an assumption based upon the information provided. When dealing with people I do a very detailed investigation looking at the whole gammit leaving no stone unturned unlike most medical professionals. Once all the information is gathered then I can forumulate specific question to ask the patient to rule out certain factors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Talked to > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For my increased HCT (from 50 to 55 > > > now) - > > > > > > > " Use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physiological serum " , 9 mg salt to > > > 1000 > > > > > > > parts of > > > > > > > > > water, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every night before bed, to avoid > > > snoring. > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > snoring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > increases HCT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - For unbalanced EFA's: Double the dose > > > of > > > > > > > Ghee (from > > > > > > > > > 1/2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tablespoon daily to 1), double the egg > > > yolk, > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > saturated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fats to feel better! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - He says he syspects a mineral problem > > > in > > > > > > > me. Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supplements of minerals: I already > > > take > > > > > > > Magnesium (400 > > > > > > > > > mg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daily, caps) and Salt (unrafined sea > > > salt, > > > > > > > 1/2 tea > > > > > > > > > spoon + > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some on my food), which means that I > > > need to > > > > > > > add > > > > > > > > > Potassium > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1-2 g daily. I have 750 mg Potassium > > > depot > > > > > > > tabs lying > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afraid to try them though cause my > > > serum > > > > > > > potassium has > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good lately, at 4.2 and such. My SERUM > > > > > > > Minerals all > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good, except Sodium ONCE a few weeks > > > ago at > > > > > > > a lowish > > > > > > > > > 138. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Range: 137 - 145) - Maybe I just need > > > to > > > > > > > add more sea > > > > > > > > > salt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to my intake, instead of taking > > > Aldosterone? > > > > > > > OR would > > > > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aldosterone really help pushing Sodium > > > into > > > > > > > my cells? > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > afraid to replace too many hormones. I > > > > > > > already had > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HORRIBLE experience with Aldosterone, > > > > > > > causeing my BP > > > > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SKY HIGH, heart to beat irregularly. > > > Thought > > > > > > > I was > > > > > > > > > gonna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die. I started at 0.05 mg daily. Too > > > high > > > > > > > probably. > > > > > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says 0.10 mg, the full dose, is not > > > big. But > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adverse reactions as I had back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â March/April 2010, I am worried to > > > try > > > > > > > it again. > > > > > > > > > Should I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do more blood and urine samples of > > > > > > > Aldosterone before > > > > > > > > > I try > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it again? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Possibly start 0.025 mgs (1/4 cap) > > > of > > > > > > > > > Fludrocortison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daily. I have symptoms of Aldosterone > > > > > > > deficiency, > > > > > > > > > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says. (I do have some black under my > > > eyes > > > > > > > sometimes) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Start the Growth Hormone trial, no > > > less > > > > > > > than 4 > > > > > > > > > months, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > start at 0.05 mg daily, increase by the > > > same > > > > > > > dose > > > > > > > > > every 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days til 0.25 mg is reached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an appointment with him in his > > > office > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > February > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Crap!! Why can it be dangerous? Hertoghe didn't tell me about this?he never tells about side effecs. I might want to stop all hormones now. I HATE this neverending ride of worrying about too little or too much Of this and that. Sendt fra min iPhone Den 8. jan. 2011 kl. 21.08 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>: Point well taken this is why I tell men with high levels of Estradiol to first try Indolplex/DIM. Co-Moderator Phil > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 3:05 PM > Self medicating adex can be very > dangerous if you do not understand how the medication really > works. It can also make pre exisiting mental condition even > worse if one is not careful. > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as women > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs every 2 days > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do great on every > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 If a person has an underlying psychiatric disorder playing around with hormones can some times worsen it. It is important to take inconsideration the person psyhcological or mental state as well as past family history from childhood to teenage, current relationships in order to get the total picture. Looking over your profile I have seen this in my self and a few other guys to where there are imbalnaces that when corrected you may be able to restart with out TRT. Today they are doing just fine. These guys where on TRT for 2 years prior before and still did not feel right. > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as women > > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs every 2 days > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do great on every > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 MY STORY COMING BELOW! The reason why TRT, DHEA and soon GH was/will be started, was beause in March when I came to Hertoghe, I was on T3-only and also HC, because my privious specialist thought I had a Reverse T3-dominance problem, as well as a newly dveloped adrenal fatigue. Saliva results (tested once) showed I had not too optimal cortisol. I felt better starting HC. But T3-only felt strange. It did remove my brain fog in 2009. Well now I feel like I wanna tell you my whole story. It's very complicated. It's been so many ups and downs with both doctors, medication, and personal life. SO anyway, my Total Testosterone was almost on the lowest end of the range when I came to Hertoghe. He didn't want to find out why, he just wanted to treat it with TRT (gel). He also put me on DHEA. This was in addition to HC and T3, which I was already taking. So I swapped T3 for Thyroid (ERFA Thyroid) and kept taking HC, just switched brands to ERFA HC. TRT felt good initially. I started with 1 pump Liposomal 10% daily (100 mg Testo in 1 gram of gel) rubbing it on my shoulders. I _NEVER_ had erection problems or any problems with sex life before I started on TRT, but after a few months, I started getting lower ejaculate volume, weaker ejaculates, and just overall worse sexlife. Before getting worse, I got really horny. All the time. I was already a horny person, but I actually liked becoming MORE horny. Haha. Hypersexuality was something I liked! SO..... It's been on and off the gel for a few months due to a rise in HCT to 60. Hertoghe is sure it's the gel doing it so he asked me to start taking 3/4 pump, and I did, and increased to 1 full pump again. So now I am on 1 pump. The thing is. I feel and see that my testicles are shrinking, and I hate it. I NOW have the worst sexuality of my life. I never get horny. Except from when I force myself to become. I have weak ejaculate, low ejaculate volume. I do get, however, a good erection. But overall. It's BAD. I now have learned enough to say: Ok, so it's the high E2 doing this to me. I need Arimidex. BUT DO I NEED TR IN THE FIRST PLACE? Hertoghes diagnose for me was since this fall: " Post traumatic brain damage " after I fell and hit my head in the ice when I was 13-14 years old. Well, when I was in my teens all I got was weight increase, coldness, tachycardia at nightttime every night (250 heart beats per minute, for 2-3 mintes at a time), laziness, typical HYPO symptoms....... This lasted til I got above 300 lbs... and my mother took me for a thyroid checkup... I came out clear! I was healthy! According to the hospital. Then we went to a private practitioner. He put me on Synthetic T4 immediately. BOOM. I lost almost HALF my weight in less than 12 months, and turned into the sexiest, healties, happies young boy the world had ever seen! I lived 10 years from 1997 to 2007, feeling PRETTY GOOD and looking good as well. The ONLY symptom I never got rid off was: Tachycardia at nighttime. It happened every once in a while. NOT EVERY NIGHT like in my teens while untreated, but every now and then. From 1 to 10 times a year. ALWAYS AT NIGHT. Other than that, I lived a good life. SEX WAS AMAZING. I could have sex 10 times a day. Really. So my question is........ Hertoghe tells me post traumatic brain damage (which relly is Secondary Hypopiturtarism right?) can worsen over the years, from stress etc. I had MAD stress and traumatic experience in my life in 2007 and 2008, the period where my health started detoriating. I was only taking T3/T4 at the time back then. I think the shocking things I went thru, like discovering my wife had been a callgirl (!), pushed my adrenals over the edge....ADRENAL FATIGUE.... lower cortisol.................. Adrenals couldt handle the Thyroid I was taking any more.... (100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3 every day) - This lead to heart problems and I nearly died from my heart SHAKING for 20 minutes, not pumping blood like it should have. I recally this incident from January 2008; My heart TICKELED LIKE CRAZY like it HURT, and I tried to measure pulse but got NO READING, all I got was a SHAKING heart, for 20 minutes............................................. Low cortisol? Adrenaline-overdrive? TOo much Thyroid for adrenals to handle? So THIS ONCE INCIDENT led to the start of it all: Endo's took me into their hospital (the same people who told me I DIDN'T HAVE hypothyroidism 10 years earlier, while being over 300 lbs!!!) and said the same again: " YOU ARE HEALTHY, STOP THYROID, IT'S KILLING YOU! " so I listened, like a fool, and started seponating my T4/T3..... T3 was removed in 4 weeks (too fast!!!) and I got a pressure in my head I never felt before - IT WAS KILLING ME! The pressure lasted from February 2008 til November 2008!!!! Can you imagine? DAILY pressure that never left me, it was DEBILITATING strong!!!!!!!! I freaked out durting that time and took MRs, CTs etc of my head. NOTHING WRONG they all said. It was probably hormones within the cells, going nuts from a sudden drop in T3. Anyway. In the spring of 2009, after more than 1 year of precious Endo-treatment (wich was just removing my T3 and T4 meds basically), I had enough. I was only taking 75 mcg T4 at the time, and had pressure on my chest, felt like crap, and just... I was just feelign BAD.. with debilitating seizures every evening after 6 pm; I would fall down on my couch just lying there, NOT understanding what ANYBODY was telling me, their words just became ALIEN-language to me. I was like " am I ... dying.. now.. cause.. I dont..get.. who I am.. or what this life is... " it lasted from 1 hr to 3-4 hrs at a time.... LOW CORTISOL? Maybe it was. I started on HC finally THAT summer.... of 2009......... 2.5 mg HC, and up, slowly..... And guess what... Thanks to the FINNNISH doctor in FINLAND (I live in Norway) and that SALIVA TEST 24 hrs which showed lowe cortisol, I felt BETTER!!! instantly. slowly. better on HC. I was also put on T3-only at the end of 2009. It worked good in the beginning but I had too many issues with irregular heartbeats.. So I went to see HERTOGHE at my finnish doctors RECOMMENDATION cause " I was a difficult case, the worse she had ever seen! " . So I have been on HC for 1 & 1/2 year now. 35 mg daily now. I swapped T3 for THYROID in March 2010 at Hertoghes command. Started 35 mG DHEA, 1 pump Testo gel and started eating really low carb. More and more low carb. I now take those 4 horsmones, HC, THYROID, DHEA, TESTO but have been scared to try GH which is the last hormone he wants me to try. So this is my condition NOW in 2011: Been at hertoghe for 8 months. I DO FEEL MORE ENERGY NOW THAN 1 YEAR AGO. But........................................................ Its so unstable! TRT increases HCT....... And..... I have IUNSANE PRESSURE IN MY HEAD NOW, just from TYPING ALL THIS.. for every letter i Type, pressure increases.. WHY IS THIS? WHAT IS THIS ! I AM GOING MAD! I also feel TRT is KILLING my sexlife. Why start TRT _TO KILL_ sexlife when sexlife was AMAZING without TRT even with LOW TOTAL TESTOSTERONE in serum? I don't get it!!!!!!!!!! I get higher TESTO is good for Thyroid and heart though. Then there's the NARROW SINUSES I have, ROTTEN TONSILS, SEPTUM DEVIATION and CYSTE RETENTION under my sinsuses as well. PLUS undiagnosed stomach/stool prioblem for 3+ years with YELLOW and LIGHT/PALE stools. Soimtimes mells like acid. So... conclusion: Do I have SECONDARY HYPOPITUITARISM AT ALL? Do I need ANY hòrmones at all? I feel like I am dying soon. It's been 3 years of HELL, and 19 years of disease. I am only 32. Feel lik eI am 132. From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 3:58 PM  If a person has an underlying psychiatric disorder playing around with hormones can some times worsen it. It is important to take inconsideration the person psyhcological or mental state as well as past family history from childhood to teenage, current relationships in order to get the total picture. Looking over your profile I have seen this in my self and a few other guys to where there are imbalnaces that when corrected you may be able to restart with out TRT. Today they are doing just fine. These guys where on TRT for 2 years prior before and still did not feel right. > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as women > > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs every 2 days > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do great on every > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 When dealing with the guys that wanted to come off TRT that was there choice and then wanted to give it a shot to see if they could restart. I never tell people what do or take but educate them with information for them to make the correct choice. When dealing with drs I present information with is back up with explaination to why inorder to validate my logic. Again its them that would make the final choice if they want to take it or now. When you have 2 sets of eyes and ears on a person case you are more likely to get to resolution alot faster. I do counseling out side drs were I take a persons information and I give an evaluation with recommenations followed by the reason why and if need I will provide links to studys to validate. I ask people a simple question " What is your gut feeling about TRT? " One thing I learned is listen to your gut feeling because it usual correct. You know how to get in contact with me. > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as women > > > > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs every 2 days > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do great on every > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Hello. At the ER now. It's been a while since I was here. Any suggestion as for what to Ask them about? I have terrible pressure in my head, heavy head, indeed a stuck nose, and just sleepy and tired. I feel it might be high E2 doing this as it blocks Testosterone from working thus making Thyroid worse. DHEA might also be a point. But what to do at the ER? Test HCT/HB? Sendt fra min iPhone Den 9. jan. 2011 kl. 16.42 skrev " hardasnails1973 " <hardasnails1973@...>: When dealing with the guys that wanted to come off TRT that was there choice and then wanted to give it a shot to see if they could restart. I never tell people what do or take but educate them with information for them to make the correct choice. When dealing with drs I present information with is back up with explaination to why inorder to validate my logic. Again its them that would make the final choice if they want to take it or now. When you have 2 sets of eyes and ears on a person case you are more likely to get to resolution alot faster. I do counseling out side drs were I take a persons information and I give an evaluation with recommenations followed by the reason why and if need I will provide links to studys to validate. I ask people a simple question " What is your gut feeling about TRT? " One thing I learned is listen to your gut feeling because it usual correct. You know how to get in contact with me. > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as women > > > > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs every 2 days > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do great on every > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 When at er room they will do a routine CMP AND cbc. Most likely they will give you valium and send you home. You may want to have them check EKG on your heart. They have no idea about hormones and will not check for them unfortunately. One of our patients had this similar issue. You may want to see a neurologist in the near future just to rule out if there aren abnormalities in your brain. > > Hello. At the ER now. It's been a while since I was here. Any suggestion as for what to Ask them about? I have terrible pressure in my head, heavy head, indeed a stuck nose, and just sleepy and tired. I feel it might be high E2 doing this as it blocks Testosterone from working thus making Thyroid worse. DHEA might also be a point. But what to do at the ER? Test HCT/HB? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 The only thing I know about using arimidex is if your drive down your levels of Estraidol to low it's just as bad as being to high. As for being dangerous anything we take to help us can be dangerous. I am suffering from muscle damage due to taking Statin Drugs. This does not mean one should never take this if they need it. I am one on 20,000 people this can happen to. And if my Dr. would have listened to me about my sore muscles and stopped the med I might not have this problem. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 3:05 PM > > Self medicating adex can be very > > dangerous if you do not understand how the medication > really > > works. It can also make pre exisiting mental condition > even > > worse if one is not careful. > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as women > > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs every 2 > days > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do great on > every > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I find your best bet in the ER is just tell them how bad you feel don't tell them what you think is going this to you you don't know and if you tell them what you think they will stop looking. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <gibcast@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > " " < > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 11:56 AM > Hello. At the ER now. It's been a > while since I was here. Any suggestion as for what to Ask > them about? I have terrible pressure in my head, heavy head, > indeed a stuck nose, and just sleepy and tired. I feel it > might be high E2 doing this as it blocks Testosterone from > working thus making Thyroid worse. DHEA might also be a > point. But what to do at the ER? Test HCT/HB? > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > Den 9. jan. 2011 kl. 16.42 skrev " hardasnails1973 " <hardasnails1973@...>: > > When dealing with the guys that wanted to come off TRT that > was there choice and then wanted to give it a shot to see if > they could restart. I never tell people what do or take but > educate them with information for them to make the correct > choice. When dealing with drs I present information with is > back up with explaination to why inorder to validate my > logic. Again its them that would make the final choice if > they want to take it or now. When you have 2 sets of eyes > and ears on a person case you are more likely to get to > resolution alot faster. I do counseling out side drs were I > take a persons information and I give an evaluation with > recommenations followed by the reason why and if need I will > provide links to studys to validate. I ask people a simple > question " What is your gut feeling about TRT? " One thing I > learned is listen to your gut feeling because it usual > correct. You know how to get in contact with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as > women > > > > > > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs > every 2 days > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do > great on every > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Back after 4 hrs waiting and 5 minute consultation. Unfortunately, I got a doc I already met before so he knew I was on hormone replacements. Anyway. He did check me like, knocked on my forehead, BP, pulse, temp... He said it all seemed normal except I was a bit red in my throat, and it seemed like I got more pressure in my forehead when I bend forward. He ran a normal CRP and it came back fine (<8) so he thought it was a small sinus infection. He said... Just call again if I feel worse. Then they'll run more tests. Might be sinuses. I don't think this is high E2 symptoms. That would be extra added to it all. But, I think this could be sinuses. Cause. I've been plagued by that for 12 years now. I think it's time to make surgery where I need it. 4 places: 1.) Tonsils (are very bad looking with " canyons " all over them) 2.) Sinus track, right side (too narrow!) 3.) Septum deviation (from my fathers side of the family, but still needs to be corrected for proper airflow!) 4.) Retention cyst below my right sinus tract (probably from sinus infections over the years) Guess I will need to stress dose HC heavily to survive those... I just can't sit here and complain when I KNOW I need to have those 4 sugeries: It can very well be either or all of those causing the pain/horrible feeling I have now! BTW my High Sensitive CRP from Hertoghes lab in December showed twice the top range. What can it be, when normal CRP always looks normal? > From: <gibcast@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > " " < > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 11:56 AM > Hello. At the ER now. It's been a > while since I was here. Any suggestion as for what to Ask > them about? I have terrible pressure in my head, heavy head, > indeed a stuck nose, and just sleepy and tired. I feel it > might be high E2 doing this as it blocks Testosterone from > working thus making Thyroid worse. DHEA might also be a > point. But what to do at the ER? Test HCT/HB? > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > Den 9. jan. 2011 kl. 16.42 skrev " hardasnails1973 " <hardasnails1973@...>: > > When dealing with the guys that wanted to come off TRT that > was there choice and then wanted to give it a shot to see if > they could restart. I never tell people what do or take but > educate them with information for them to make the correct > choice. When dealing with drs I present information with is > back up with explaination to why inorder to validate my > logic. Again its them that would make the final choice if > they want to take it or now. When you have 2 sets of eyes > and ears on a person case you are more likely to get to > resolution alot faster. I do counseling out side drs were I > take a persons information and I give an evaluation with > recommenations followed by the reason why and if need I will > provide links to studys to validate. I ask people a simple > question " What is your gut feeling about TRT? " One thing I > learned is listen to your gut feeling because it usual > correct. You know how to get in contact with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as > women > > > > > > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs > every 2 days > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do > great on every > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 CRP sensitive is a differnt or updated version of the CRP test then run standard. CRP high I would not be suprised at all. Alot of people with emotional distress tend to have higher levels due to excessive inflammmation that may exist in the brain. Research inflammation. depression, vitamin E, free radicals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as > > > women > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I will ask Hertoghe why my hs-CRP is at 0.088 instead of <0.055 like it should be. I think I need to stress dose with HC now, to fight imflammation - Sinuses are a problem. I KNOW THIS. But Vitamin E? Too little would be a problem right? I take 400 iu daily. I am depressed only because my health is shit and my life is empty. I recently divorced my horrible callgirl-wife. (Sounds so bad.... God...) And yeah! Things ain't peachy! I just wanna heal. I need to fix my sinuses and tonsils - With sugery! I FEEL THIS SO STRONGLY. From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 10:04 PM Â CRP sensitive is a differnt or updated version of the CRP test then run standard. CRP high I would not be suprised at all. Alot of people with emotional distress tend to have higher levels due to excessive inflammmation that may exist in the brain. Research inflammation. depression, vitamin E, free radicals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex as > > > women > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men only need .25 mgs > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT most do > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Are you running a high temp I use to have bad sinus problems never could figure what I did to fix it. Dr.'s would give me Antibiotics. I think they got better after I started on HC meds and Thyroid could even be the Florinef I went on. Before HC meds and such I had Bronchitis and upper respiratory infections all the time. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > " " > < > > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 11:56 AM > > > Hello. At the ER now. It's been a > > > while since I was here. Any suggestion as for what to > Ask > > > them about? I have terrible pressure in my head, heavy > head, > > > indeed a stuck nose, and just sleepy and tired. I feel > it > > > might be high E2 doing this as it blocks Testosterone > from > > > working thus making Thyroid worse. DHEA might also be > a > > > point. But what to do at the ER? Test HCT/HB? > > > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > > > > > Den 9. jan. 2011 kl. 16.42 skrev " hardasnails1973 " > <hardasnails1973@...>: > > > > > > When dealing with the guys that wanted to come off TRT > that > > > was there choice and then wanted to give it a shot to > see if > > > they could restart. I never tell people what do or > take but > > > educate them with information for them to make the > correct > > > choice. When dealing with drs I present information > with is > > > back up with explaination to why inorder to validate > my > > > logic. Again its them that would make the final choice > if > > > they want to take it or now. When you have 2 sets of > eyes > > > and ears on a person case you are more likely to get > to > > > resolution alot faster. I do counseling out side drs > were I > > > take a persons information and I give an evaluation > with > > > recommenations followed by the reason why and if need > I will > > > provide links to studys to validate. I ask people a > simple > > > question " What is your gut feeling about TRT? " One > thing I > > > learned is listen to your gut feeling because it > usual > > > correct. You know how to get in contact with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex > as > > > women > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men only need .25 > mgs > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT > most do > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 31) What is stress dosing – what if I get sick? As Dr Peatfield just said, the body makes more cortisol during times of stress. In Dr Jefferies book he says “A patient with untreated mild adrenal insufficiency or low adrenal reserve may function reasonably well when environmental conditions are optimum but tends to tire more easily, and if strenuous physical exercise is undertaken or a meal skipped, hypoglycemic symptoms may develop. If an infection such as a common cold develops, symptoms tend to be more severe and last longer than in a person with normal adrenocortical reserve.†“When a patient with adrenal insufficiency encounters stress, additional cortisol is necessary to maintain normal health and sense of well-being.†The first rule is to take as little as you need to get through the stress. This does NOT mean to run your body low on cortisol, but to only dose if you really need it. ILLNESS: for colds or slight fevers unrelated to a flu take 20MG at the first sign of illness, even at bedtime. According to Jefferies some people need up to 80MG a day to get through an illness. FLU: Take 20MG four times a day till symptoms subside. Flu viruses attack the adrenals and the cortisol directly so you need a lot extra for this. DAILY STRESSES: At the first sign of nausea or shaking that can’t be controlled take 5MG, wait 20-30 minutes for it to work and if nausea or shakes are still present, take another 5MG, repeat till it stops. After a few such times you will learn the dose that works for you, usually 5-10 MG will handle most usual stresses. SURGERIES: Make sure your anesthesiologist knows you have adrenal insufficiency! ASK for solumedrol in the anesthesia IV. It is a normal precaution they will readily do for you for safety. EXERCISE: While it is preferable you do not exercise to the point of needing extra cortisol, some feel it is a necessity of life to continue strenuous exercising while on adrenal meds. If you are exhausted after exercise, or take hours to recover, STOP. You are doing more damage to your adrenals and are undoing any good you might be doing by treating them. If you just need energy boost to do light exercise, try 5-10MG before starting the exercise. The trick is to supply the cortisol before your adrenals are being beat up for not having it. Tapering off stress doses: If over three days, then you must go down slowly, no more than dropping 5MG every 2-3 days, but if it was just 3 days then you can drop 10MG every 3 days. If you start to feel exhaustion or especially flu like symptoms, go back up immediately and slow the decrease down. Co-Moderator Phil > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 10:04 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > >  > > >   >    >    >    CRP sensitive is a differnt or updated > version of the CRP test then run standard. CRP high I would > not be suprised at all. Alot of people with emotional > distress tend to have higher levels due to excessive > inflammmation that may exist in the brain. Research > inflammation. depression, vitamin E, free radicals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much > Arimidex as > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men only need > .25 mgs > > > > > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on > TRT most do > > > > > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the > pill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I have normal temps. 98.4 or 98.5 F. Orally. I do have a stuck nose and I feel my sinuses could be an issue. I know I have to make 4 operations to fix my tonsils/nose/sinuses/cyst. I just had irregular heartbeat. Maybe I need more HC to deal with my sinuses. I take 35 mg daily now. > > > > > From: <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > " " > < > > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 11:56 AM > > > Hello. At the ER now. It's been a > > > while since I was here. Any suggestion as for what to > Ask > > > them about? I have terrible pressure in my head, heavy > head, > > > indeed a stuck nose, and just sleepy and tired. I feel > it > > > might be high E2 doing this as it blocks Testosterone > from > > > working thus making Thyroid worse. DHEA might also be > a > > > point. But what to do at the ER? Test HCT/HB? > > > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > > > > > Den 9. jan. 2011 kl. 16.42 skrev " hardasnails1973 " > <hardasnails1973@...>: > > > > > > When dealing with the guys that wanted to come off TRT > that > > > was there choice and then wanted to give it a shot to > see if > > > they could restart. I never tell people what do or > take but > > > educate them with information for them to make the > correct > > > choice. When dealing with drs I present information > with is > > > back up with explaination to why inorder to validate > my > > > logic. Again its them that would make the final choice > if > > > they want to take it or now. When you have 2 sets of > eyes > > > and ears on a person case you are more likely to get > to > > > resolution alot faster. I do counseling out side drs > were I > > > take a persons information and I give an evaluation > with > > > recommenations followed by the reason why and if need > I will > > > provide links to studys to validate. I ask people a > simple > > > question " What is your gut feeling about TRT? " One > thing I > > > learned is listen to your gut feeling because it > usual > > > correct. You know how to get in contact with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much Arimidex > as > > > women > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men only need .25 > mgs > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on TRT > most do > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the pill. > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Thank Phil. I knew all that, but, I am very worried about taking more HC cause I know it lowers POTASSIUM. And while my serum potassium is ok, my RBC Potassium (the one that matters) is not, it's low, almost at the low end of the range. That's why I am afraid to take more HC _now_ ! :-( I also just had irregular heartbeat now 10 minutes ago. And it freaks me out. > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 10:04 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > Â > > > Â Â > Â Â Â > Â Â Â > Â Â Â CRP sensitive is a differnt or updated > version of the CRP test then run standard. CRP high I would > not be suprised at all. Alot of people with emotional > distress tend to have higher levels due to excessive > inflammmation that may exist in the brain. Research > inflammation. depression, vitamin E, free radicals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much > Arimidex as > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men only need > .25 mgs > > > > > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on > TRT most do > > > > > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the > pill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 WHat is CMP and CBC? They only did my CRP. From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 6:15 PM Â When at er room they will do a routine CMP AND cbc. Most likely they will give you valium and send you home. You may want to have them check EKG on your heart. They have no idea about hormones and will not check for them unfortunately. One of our patients had this similar issue. You may want to see a neurologist in the near future just to rule out if there aren abnormalities in your brain. > > Hello. At the ER now. It's been a while since I was here. Any suggestion as for what to Ask them about? I have terrible pressure in my head, heavy head, indeed a stuck nose, and just sleepy and tired. I feel it might be high E2 doing this as it blocks Testosterone from working thus making Thyroid worse. DHEA might also be a point. But what to do at the ER? Test HCT/HB? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Hey , My worst issue is pressure in the head. Maybe its just sinuses. I will get Arimidex from Belgium in 3 days. God.. I hate this!!! From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...> Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 1:07 AM Â Tom, 6 months ago my E2 was 89, 2 months ago it was 64. I am still here. You arent going to die today, tommorow or even months from now, at least not from high E2. You just need to get it under control and sometimes it just takes time. I never had any panic attacks or anxiety from high E2. It just doesnt effect me that way, but it sure sounds like what it does to you. Maybe you just need something to calm your nerves down until you get everything back in check. Worry is your worst enemy...it magnifies all your other problems. > > So I will feel like this, mentally and physically bad in my head, but not die from high E2? It has been high, I guess, for 2 months now. Maybe it's higher than 69 pg/ml now. I feel like PRESSURE is in my head and in my eyes. Can I be strong and be without the ER or???? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Phil, regarding E2... Is it possible technically to get a good erection with a high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause I just had a very strong erection. Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 You can have a refractory potassium deficiency due to low magnesium which adrenal and thyroid modualtes its metabolism. I have seen people that had lo magnesium for years it was not untill they heal the adrenals and thyroid till they were able to finally hold on to it. I see alot of pepole who are known as magnesium wasters which can lead to heart issues and also head aches. Using b2 400 mgs can help reduce a migrain head ach really fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much > > > Arimidex as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men only need > > > .25 mgs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on > > > TRT most do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the > > > pill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 EVen taking 20 mgs of cortef is not going to hurt a health person for a short amount of time. people can take up to 40 mgs for a short peroid of time who are using it at biological dosages with no issues other then after 3-4 days one should be tapered down to maintaince dose. I stopped cold turkey and I was fine but I had to line up all my ducks in a row in order for this to occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as much > > Arimidex as > > > > > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men only need > > .25 mgs > > > > > > > > > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down on > > TRT most do > > > > > > > > > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of the > > pill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Labs are just a diagnostic tool. I have a guy I am working with that his e2 is sensitive 60 with repeat analysis. He has no issues what so every. He was concerned about it and I told him if he has not issues then not to worry about it, but we will monitor it. He also has heart condition so may be his body needs more estrogen since it is cardiovascular protective. Reason why females live longer is because of estrogen and its influence as an antioxident since it can elevate gluthione production. > > Phil, regarding E2... > > Is it possible technically to get a good erection with a high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause I just had a very strong erection. > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Now that I never heard of HC lowering POTASSIUM the only thing that lowers mine is water pills. If your stress dosing it's only for a day or two. I am not saying you should stress dose. I sent you the how to do this because you said your going to have to stress dose. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 10:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â Â > > > Â Â Â > > > Â Â Â > > > Â Â Â CRP sensitive is a differnt or updated > > > version of the CRP test then run standard. CRP high I > would > > > not be suprised at all. Alot of people with emotional > > > distress tend to have higher levels due to excessive > > > inflammmation that may exist in the brain. Research > > > inflammation. depression, vitamin E, free radicals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take as > much > > > Arimidex as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men only > need > > > .25 mgs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels down > on > > > TRT most do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 of > the > > > pill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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