Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 When I had sinuse problems I could not bend over the pressure in my head was so bad it hurt like mad. Even fast moves. Co-Moderator Phil > > From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 1:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > 6 months ago my E2 was 89, 2 months ago it was 64. I am > still here. You arent going to die today, tommorow or even > months from now, at least not from high E2. You just need to > get it under control and sometimes it just takes time. > > > > I never had any panic attacks or anxiety from high E2. It > just doesnt effect me that way, but it sure sounds like what > it does to you. > > > > Maybe you just need something to calm your nerves down > until you get everything back in check. > > > > Worry is your worst enemy...it magnifies all your other > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I will feel like this, mentally and physically bad > in my head, but not die from high E2? It has been high, I > guess, for 2 months now. Maybe it's higher than 69 pg/ml > now. I feel like PRESSURE is in my head and in my eyes. Can > I be strong and be without the ER or???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 No your E2 levels must be falling they do move up and down from day to day for some people and week to week for others they never stay the same. Did you back off your Testosterone meds this can lower your E2 levels. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:06 PM > Phil, regarding E2... > > Is it possible technically to get a good erection with a > high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause I just had a > very strong erection. > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Problem is a lot of Dr.'s put people on HC meds and don't tell them they might need to stress dose. They find out later when they end up in the ER like I did. I don't feel people should do things that make them need to stress dose like working out hard in the gym. If your over doing things that lower your HC meds where you need to stress dose you need to stop doing this. Listen to your body if your over do it and use up your HC meds stop over doing things. If your feeling low shaky and weak talk to your Dr. your HC dose might not be enough. I was on 20 mgs / day 5mgs 4x's/day it was not enough today I am on 30 mgs/day and I do fine never need to stress dose. Co-Moderator Phil > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 8:19 PM > EVen taking 20 mgs of cortef is not > going to hurt a health person for a short amount of time. > people can take up to 40 mgs for a short peroid of time who > are using it at biological dosages with no issues other then > after 3-4 days one should be tapered down to maintaince > dose. I stopped cold turkey and I was fine but I had to line > up all my ducks in a row in order for this to occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take > as much > > > Arimidex as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men > only need > > > .25 mgs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels > down on > > > TRT most do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 > of the > > > pill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Drs need to understand that any kind of inflammation gums or simple sinus infections can put excessive stress on already low adrenals. > > When I had sinuse problems I could not bend over the pressure in my head was so bad it hurt like mad. Even fast moves. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Yes Testosterone and Estradiol are needed to keep your heart healty. Read this from Dach MD. Preventing and Reversing Heart Disease Part Three by Dach MD http://jeffreydach.com/2010/12/31/preventing-reversing-heart-disease-jeffrey-dac\ h.aspx In this he says study's showed Estraidol was able to help the body build new collateral vessels. ================================================== How Can Drugs Provide the Same Outcome as Surgery or Stenting? The EPC. Now we have an important question to ask. How is it possible that the humble country doctor with a few drugs can provide similar outcomes when compared to the high and mighty cardiac surgeon and the interventional cardiologist? How can drug treatment do as well or better than the cardiac stent or surgical bypass procedure? I suggest the answer resides in the phenomenon known as " collateral vessel formation " . The heart has the ability to grow new blood vessels which provide blood flow around the blocked artery. Medical treatment gives the heart time to grow new collateral vessels. The key to understanding this new vessel formation is the endothelial progenitor cell, also known as the EPC. The EPC is a special type of stem cell found in the bone marrow that circulates to injured myocardium where they promote local angiogenesis, making new blood vessels. (23) Co-Moderator Phil > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 8:22 PM > Labs are just a diagnostic tool. I > have a guy I am working with that his e2 is sensitive 60 > with repeat analysis. He has no issues what so every. He was > concerned about it and I told him if he has not issues then > not to worry about it, but we will monitor it. He also has > heart condition so may be his body needs more estrogen since > it is cardiovascular protective. Reason why females live > longer is because of estrogen and its influence as an > antioxident since it can elevate gluthione production. > > > > > > Phil, regarding E2... > > > > Is it possible technically to get a good erection with > a high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause I just had a > very strong erection. > > > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 It's funny I feel when I went on HC meds for my low Cortisol levels my sinus problems stopped. Co-Moderator Phil > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 10:38 AM > Drs need to understand that any kind > of inflammation gums or simple sinus infections can > put excessive stress on already low adrenals. > > > > > > When I had sinuse problems I could not bend over the > pressure in my head was so bad it hurt like mad. Even > fast moves. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I get erections every day, it's just that while taking TRT, I must force my erections. They dont happen naturally all the time. I can wake up to an erection these days, fine, but I always did that before anyway. BEFORE TRT (Pre-Match 2010) I got erections all thru the day for on reason other than being a sexual monster I guess! I MISS THAT FEELING! TRT makes me less horny! I don't like it! No, I am on TRT still. > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:06 PM > Phil, regarding E2... > > Is it possible technically to get a good erection with a > high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause I just had a > very strong erection. > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 what was the reason for going on it in the first place? It does not make sense to why you even started it. > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:06 PM > > > Phil, regarding E2... > > > > > > Is it possible technically to get a good erection with a > > > high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause I just had a > > > very strong erection. > > > > > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I never start shaking really. I always take my last HC dose, 5 mg, at 9 pm.. Sometimes I am awake til 3-4-5 am, and I still have cortisol. So I guess my adrenals work decent themselves alone! > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 8:19 PM > EVen taking 20 mgs of cortef is not > going to hurt a health person for a short amount of time. > people can take up to 40 mgs for a short peroid of time who > are using it at biological dosages with no issues other then > after 3-4 days one should be tapered down to maintaince > dose. I stopped cold turkey and I was fine but I had to line > up all my ducks in a row in order for this to occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No men don't take > as much > > > Arimidex as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need. At the most men > only need > > > .25 mgs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every 2 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep Estradiol levels > down on > > > TRT most do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great on every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 to 4 days. This is 1/4 > of the > > > pill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I am sure my bad tonsils which have been infected chronically for at least 12 years, have messed up my adrenals, drained them dry. From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 4:38 PM Â Drs need to understand that any kind of inflammation gums or simple sinus infections can put excessive stress on already low adrenals. > > When I had sinuse problems I could not bend over the pressure in my head was so bad it hurt like mad. Even fast moves. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 So as with anything once you remove the source your body would have chance to heal you are young. I had a few patient that had teeth with low adrenals. Once they got their teeth fixed the adrenals where able to finally heal on their own. This is why isolating the source is essential requiring proper research. > > > > > > When I had sinuse problems I could not bend over the pressure in my head was so bad it hurt like mad. Even fast moves. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 It's not the TRT that lowers your feelings for sex it's the dam Estraidol that goes up from being on TRT. Some day someone will come up with a T that has something in it that will keep E2 down. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:06 PM > > > Phil, regarding E2... > > > > > > Is it possible technically to get a good erection with > a > > > high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause I just > had a > > > very strong erection. > > > > > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I felt the same, it got much better, BUT, maybe I just need more HC? But HC will also mask infections and that can be dangerous. How does one know what HC " fixes " and " Masks " ? how to tell apart those two?? > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 10:38 AM > Drs need to understand that any kind > of inflammation gums or simple sinus infections can > put excessive stress on already low adrenals. > > > > > > When I had sinuse problems I could not bend over the > pressure in my head was so bad it hurt like mad. Even > fast moves. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Well he thought maybe my body lacked muscle mass. Also, the blood sample revealted a low Total Testosterone at 3500. The range is 3000 to 10.000. That's why I guess. However, sexlife has gone from AMAZING to VERY BAD with TRT. From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 7:00 PM  what was the reason for going on it in the first place? It does not make sense to why you even started it. > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:06 PM > > > Phil, regarding E2... > > > > > > Is it possible technically to get a good erection with a > > > high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause I just had a > > > very strong erection. > > > > > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 There aging I never heard of HC masking infections. Did your Dr. tell you this or did you read about it on the web. When HC meds first came out Dr. used them in very high dose's and it was very bad. Until Dr. Jeffries started useing HC meds and did his book " SAFE USES OF CORTISOL " . If a Dr. has not read this book he will tell people all kinds of bad things about takng HC meds that are not true. Here is a cut and past from his book read this link. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses/ ================================================== The first chapter discusses the history of our knowledge of cortisone and cortisol. In 1929, Dr. Hench figured out that rheumatoid arthritis disappeared because of a normal adrenocortical response after surgery, pregnancy and other situations. They didn’t multi-dose then, and used much larger amounts than needed. We now know that smaller dosages of cortisone or cortisol are effective and may take ten to 14 days to produce impressive improvement in arthritis. Because they used such large doses of cortisol in treatment, side effects occurred, and the presumption was made that any dosage of any glucocorticoid would have potentially hazardous and undesirable effects. “For over thirty years, physicians have been indoctrinated with this concept.†Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 10:38 AM > > > Drs need to understand that any kind > > > of inflammation gums or simple sinus infections can > > > put excessive stress on already low adrenals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I had sinuse problems I could not bend over > the > > > pressure in my head was so bad it hurt like mad. > Even > > > fast moves. > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I have no problems saying this I feel your sex life is your high levels of Estradiol due to having to be on TRT. Once you get your Estraradio in check you will have your sex life back and better. Co-Moderator Phil > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 7:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what was the reason for going on it in > the first place? It does not make sense to why you even > started it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:06 PM > > > > > > > Phil, regarding E2... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible technically to get a good erection > with a > > > > > > > high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause I > just had a > > > > > > > very strong erection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 But then there's side effects of atimidex, and the more pills you take, the harder it is to tell what is causing which symptoms. Sendt fra min iPhone Den 11. jan. 2011 kl. 17.32 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>: I have no problems saying this I feel your sex life is your high levels of Estradiol due to having to be on TRT. Once you get your Estraradio in check you will have your sex life back and better. Co-Moderator Phil > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 7:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what was the reason for going on it in > the first place? It does not make sense to why you even > started it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:06 PM > > > > > > > Phil, regarding E2... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible technically to get a good erection > with a > > > > > > > high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause I > just had a > > > > > > > very strong erection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 The only side I know of taking Arimidex is going to low then your joints can hurt. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > > Subject: Re: Talked to Hertoghe > > > > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 7:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what was the reason for > going on it in > > the first place? It does not make sense to why you > even > > started it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Talked to > Hertoghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, regarding E2... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible technically to get a good > erection > > with a > > > > > > > > > > > high E2? I am thining about lab errors cause > I > > just had a > > > > > > > > > > > very strong erection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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