Re: recent low T dx: ?'s re: DHEA vs Androgen gel?

[Guest guest]

Hi and Welcome,

I got sick at age 38 my serum T was 120 but my sex life was fine. I felt very

fatigued and pushed my self to keep going until I could not get out of bed. I

felt feelings of Depression and later was told this was my Problem. A very long

story you can read it at this link.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Yes Androgel it the highest costing forum of TRT out there. I was on it but did

not do to good on it. I feel every man that needs TRT should try Androgel or

Testim first. If you don't do well on it your later you can't pay for it you

can switch to shots no problem.

One then before you try this is to be sure your Dr. ran enough tests to find out

why your low. One big problem with men our age is high levels of Estraidol if

your above 30 best at 20 pg/ml this can make your T levels low.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

If your levels for Estradiol are high getting this down your Total T levels can

come up some 200 to 300 points on labs.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

As for your questions.

1) DHEA will not make your Testosterone levels go higher this only happens to

women in men it can make your Estradiol levels go up.

2) I will not say Androgel helped it's any kind of TRT helps. I got my energy

back suffer much less fatigue and the feelings of Depression were gone. I had

sore joints and muscles with some bad brain fog this all get much better.

I was at a 10 for mood and fatigue after being on TRT getting my levels up into

the upper 1/3 of my labs range and keeping my Estradiol down I went from a 10 to

a 2 big improvement.

There is no such thing proving being on Testosterone meds will give you Prostate

Cancer or Heart problems. I had Heart problems from the lack of hormones.

Today Dr.'s are finding out Prostate Problems are due in some men to high

Estradiol levels and low Testosterone.

Here are some links for you to read about low T.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

As for the labs you needed go to Dr. 's site and read TRT: A Recipe for

Success in this are labs you needed and why Dr. puts this out there free

for you and your Dr.

And if you can go join his forum and read the Hormones 101 sticks.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15849

Make sure your Dr. tested your Thyroid and Cortisol levels a lot of us men with

low T end up with them problems.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: georgecopsey <george@...>

> Subject: recent low T dx: ?'s re: DHEA vs Androgen gel?

>

> Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 11:21 AM

> I'm a 60 year old guy and have

> recently been tested and found to have low (240) serum T.

>

> I Have Parkinson's Disease (PD). (DX'd 2/08, 54 on PDRS)

>

> I do not seem to have the usual sexual dysfunction symptoms

> of Low t, but do experience depression and fatigue, which I

> had previously chalked up to the PD.

>

> I am still very active, training 6 days/week, eat a great

> diet, and drink only filtered water.

>

> My Doc prescribed Androgen gel 1%, 50 mg packets for me.

> Though my insurance paid for it with just a $3 co-pay, I was

> shocked to find a 30 day supply is ~ $190.

>

> Not wanting to start taking a medication I wouldn't want to

> pay for out of my own pocket (just starting Medicare 1/1/11

> and am cautious of the Medicare donut hole,) I did some

> research and found DHEA, which I have been taking for two

> weeks. (My Doc knows about this and is totally OK with it)

>

> I am going to have my T levels retested in a few months.

>

> Here's my questions:

>

> 1 Has any guy here taken DHEA time release, 50 mg pills

> for Low T? If so, what has your experience been (benefits

> & negative side effects?), and how does it compare with

> using Androgen gel, if you have? The more specifics you can

> give about the benefits vs negative side effects, the

> better.

>

> 2 In what ways has using the Androgen gel helped you,

> specifically? Since I do not have sexual dysfunction

> symptoms, I am especially interested in how it effects your

> overall mood and fatigue.

>

> If it has enhanced your mood and lowered your fatigue,

> please give a before & after rating 1-10. (examples:

> mood BEFORE Androgen: 4, NOW 9; fatigue BEFORE: 8, NOW: 4)

>

> If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to share my

> experience with taking DHEA. As I said, I've been using it

> for 2 weeks, cycling on 6 days & off 2 days.

>

> I am (maybe incorrectly) assuming the risks of prostate

> cancer & heart issues are approx the same for either the

> gel or DHEA.

>

> Thanks for your help.

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[Guest guest]

Phil,

I haven't replied after getting your information rich, detailed answer.

Thanks for the information.

I take it that since, as you said, DHEA in & of itself may/ can raise the

Estraidol levels w/o raising my t levels, that taking DHEA by itself isn't a

good idea.. correct?

WIll work my way through the info & links you sent me.

[Guest guest]

Well if your DHEA levels are very low taking 25 mgs / day can help some men feel

better but no taking DHEA will not make a mans Testosteone levels go up it will

make a women's Testosterone go up. Now if you don't need DHEA and your levels

are not very low taking it or to much of it can make your Estraidol levels go

up.

If you tested your DHEA and found it low next thing you need to test is your

Cortisol levels do a 4x's in a day Saliva test in this link it shows what

happens to DHEA as one goes through the stages of Adrenal problems read each

stage one starts out with very high levels of cortisol ending up in the last

stage very low. And what your seeing is labs from a Saliva test.

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%201%20.html

In this link you can find where to buy a saliva test on your own.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/recommended-labwork/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Copsey <george@...>

> Subject: Re: recent low T dx: ?'s re: DHEA vs Androgen gel?

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 8:18 PM

> Phil,

>

> I haven't replied after getting your information rich,

> detailed answer.

>

> Thanks for the information.

>

> I take it that since, as you said, DHEA in & of itself

> may/ can raise the Estraidol levels w/o raising my t levels,

> that taking DHEA by itself isn't a good idea.. correct?

>

> WIll work my way through the info & links you sent me.

>

>

>

>