Has anyone here had success with TRT?

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In a message dated 6/2/2010 9:05:20 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

no_reply writes:

Has anyone had consistent good experiences

without the crashes and other pitfalls most

seem to report at some stage?

One thing I can tell you from my experience dealing with another health

problem (hepatitis c) and being on another similar forum: Those who post tend

to be, disproportionately those who either are newly diagnosed OR who are

still struggling to find a satisfactory resolution to their problem(s).

Which another way of saying: the people posting here are not a representative

group of TRT patients. Many (most?) TRT patients, I suspect, found a

treatment that worked for them reasonably well--perhaps after an adjustment or

two--and kind of " got on with their lives. "

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Hi everyone.

I still await my labs before I start on my

journey (whatever that is)into TRT land.

It seems though, that this process is like

balancing on the edge of a razor.

Has anyone had consistent good experiences

without the crashes and other pitfalls most

seem to report at some stage?

Sounds like when you try to address the T

levels it opens many other doors which

present their own hazards.

Dan Q.

[Guest guest]

Dan most of what you hare here is from new people going on TRT with a not so

good Dr. They start them on Andorgel at a very low dose and tell them to come

back in 3 months. One needs to be checked after 2 weeks starting on Gels.

Dr.'s that give shots will put the men on a big dam shot every 2 to 3 weeks this

is dam old and dose not work you end up on a Roller Coaster Ride up after the

big shot the only to fall very low by the next one. And this big shot

converting into Estradiol. Now about new people and Estradiol most Dr.'s will

not even test this. It's not about going on TRT and having bigger Problems it's

about see a good Dr. or your learning about this so you know when your Dr. is

not doing right by you.

Men that come here and get tuned up stop posting because they feel better. It

would be nice a lot of them posted how good they are doing but out sight out of

mind.

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Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you

can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: dtquick2 <no_reply >

> Subject: Has anyone here had success with TRT?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 12:04 AM

> Hi everyone.

>

> I still await my labs before I start on my

> journey (whatever that is)into TRT land.

> It seems though, that this process is like

> balancing on the edge of a razor.

>

> Has anyone had consistent good experiences

> without the crashes and other pitfalls most

> seem to report at some stage? 

>

> Sounds like when you try to address the T

> levels it opens many other doors which

> present their own hazards.

>

> Dan Q.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

This is true when people feel better you don't hear from them anymore.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: WithBACON@... <WithBACON@...>

> Subject: Re: Has anyone here had success with TRT?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 1:47 AM

>

> In a message dated 6/2/2010 9:05:20 P.M. US Mountain

> Standard Time, 

> no_reply

> writes:

>

> Has  anyone had consistent good experiences

> without the crashes and other  pitfalls most

> seem to report at some stage?

>

>

> One thing I can tell you from my experience dealing with

> another health 

> problem (hepatitis c) and being on another similar forum:

> Those who post tend

> to  be, disproportionately those who either are newly

> diagnosed OR who are

> still  struggling to find a satisfactory resolution to

> their problem(s).

> Which another  way of saying: the people posting here

> are not a representative

> group of TRT  patients. Many (most?) TRT patients, I

> suspect, found a

> treatment that  worked for them reasonably

> well--perhaps after an adjustment or

> two--and kind of  " got on with their lives. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My experience since beginning last august has been great.Have not had any levels

checked and really see no reason.I was prescribed 200mg IM every two weeks.Only

did this once before I went to every 3 1/2 days of around 50mg.Added DIM,TMG

zinc and copper from Philip's recomendations.I believe a major difference is I

went from 270 to 190's on a high fat, very low carb diet and waist went from 42

to 33.Belly is fat and pretty firm for a 54 y/o.I suppose coversion to

estradilol is difficult without belly fat.Hide my face and I could pass for a

35y/o in good shape.That is from a high fat diet.I met all five of the

parameters for metabolic syndrome and pre diabetes.I meet none of them now.It's

tempting to up the test dose and get really pumped but fear I will mess up a

good thing.You can't overstate the importance of losing belly fat.It makes a

huge difference. Phil

>

> Hi everyone.

>

> I still await my labs before I start on my

> journey (whatever that is)into TRT land.

> It seems though, that this process is like

> balancing on the edge of a razor.

>

> Has anyone had consistent good experiences

> without the crashes and other pitfalls most

> seem to report at some stage?

>

> Sounds like when you try to address the T

> levels it opens many other doors which

> present their own hazards.

>

> Dan Q.

>

[Guest guest]

If I could just drop 60 lbs I would have a 36 " waste at 240 lbs. Hard to

believe but true it is just do dam hard as you get older.

It is great your doing so good make me dam happy to hear this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: phil <phildude43@...>

> Subject: Re: Has anyone here had success with TRT?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 1:07 PM

> My experience since beginning last

> august has been great.Have not had any levels checked and

> really see no reason.I was prescribed 200mg IM every two

> weeks.Only did this once before I went to every 3 1/2 days

> of around 50mg.Added DIM,TMG zinc and copper from Philip's

> recomendations.I believe a major difference is I went from

> 270 to 190's on a high fat, very low carb diet and waist

> went from 42 to 33.Belly is fat and pretty firm for a 54

> y/o.I suppose coversion to estradilol is difficult without

> belly fat.Hide my face and I could pass for a 35y/o in good

> shape.That is from a high fat diet.I met all five of the

> parameters for metabolic syndrome and pre diabetes.I meet

> none of them now.It's tempting to up the test dose and get

> really pumped but fear I will mess up a good thing.You can't

> overstate the importance of losing belly fat.It makes a huge

> difference. Phil

>

>

> >

> > Hi everyone.

> >

> > I still await my labs before I start on my

> > journey (whatever that is)into TRT land.

> > It seems though, that this process is like

> > balancing on the edge of a razor.

> >

> > Has anyone had consistent good experiences

> > without the crashes and other pitfalls most

> > seem to report at some stage? 

> >

> > Sounds like when you try to address the T

> > levels it opens many other doors which

> > present their own hazards.

> >

> > Dan Q.

> >

>

>

>

>

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