Re: Natural testosterone levels

[Guest guest]

Is more about how the body is able to metabolize and use the testosterone that

is there in the first place. When my T goes below 300-400 for a prolong peroid

of time my voice gets a little weaker and not so husky or load. There was a

black guy that came into the office as a rep for testim. He was just a skinny

normal guy with a very soft non baratone voice. He had his levels tested at 850

TT, but he did not know shbg and e2 levels. TT is just a part of the total

equation. All the other factors need to take into consideration. TT can be

4-500 and since the gh levels are low some of the testosterone is being used to

make up for the difference so in these cases yes one could consider 350-450 low.

This is why you need to look at the whole endocrine system to know whats really

going on.

> >

> > As i look at it every one has a biological set point and if that set point

is pushed then the body may suffer at the expense of this. Some people set point

may be at 500, but when on TRT may be pushed up 800-900 which is not natural to

the body it could potential alter other hormone levels. In several cases people

on TRT which where 600-700 at trough which is an acceptable level after 6

months with no other variables changes there thyroid took a major nose dive.

This is why Dr need to do 6 months follow up on patients when they are stable on

HRT so this identified.

>

[Guest guest]

And it's not about the labs levels it how one feels. The levels of Testosterone

in men not on TRT making there own Testosterone don't need levels that are very

high. It's hard to prove this because Dr.'s don't test normal men's

Testosterone levels. A man in his like might have only a level of 550 before

getting sick with Hypogonadism now that he is not TRT he might find he needs

levels way over 550 to support his body. The levels from TRT are not the same

as what the body makes. Once you add T to your body the first thing your body

does is attack it to get rid of it.

http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels-in-men.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: Natural testosterone levels

>

> Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 11:34 PM

> Is more about how the body is able to

> metabolize and use the testosterone that is there in the

> first place.  When my T goes below 300-400 for a

> prolong peroid of time my voice gets a little weaker and not

> so husky or load.  There was a black guy that came into

> the office as a rep for testim. He was just a skinny normal

> guy with a very soft non baratone voice.  He had his

> levels tested at 850 TT, but he did not know shbg and e2

> levels.  TT is just a part of the total equation. All

> the other factors need to take into consideration.  TT

> can be 4-500 and since the gh levels are low some of the

> testosterone is being used to make up for the difference so

> in these cases yes one could consider 350-450 low. 

> This is why you need to look at the whole endocrine system

> to know whats really going on.

>

>

> > >

> > > As i look at it every one has a biological set

> point and if that set point is pushed then the body may

> suffer at the expense of this. Some people set point may be

> at 500, but when on TRT may be pushed up 800-900 which is

> not natural to the body it could potential alter other

> hormone levels. In several cases people on TRT which where

> 600-700 at trough which is an acceptable level  after 6

> months with no other variables changes there thyroid took a

> major nose dive. This is why Dr need to do 6 months follow

> up on patients when they are stable on HRT so this

> identified.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link Phil. What I found most interesting was that even the

youngest age range had a SHBG just over 35, and it went up from there. Also,

that the youngest group had a total T in the 600s, and the numbers went down

from there! That confirms for me that DH's numbers aren't that unreasonably

high or low.

Barb

> > > >

> > > > As i look at it every one has a biological set

> > point and if that set point is pushed then the body may

> > suffer at the expense of this. Some people set point may be

> > at 500, but when on TRT may be pushed up 800-900 which is

> > not natural to the body it could potential alter other

> > hormone levels. In several cases people on TRT which where

> > 600-700 at trough which is an acceptable level  after 6

> > months with no other variables changes there thyroid took a

> > major nose dive. This is why Dr need to do 6 months follow

> > up on patients when they are stable on HRT so this

> > identified.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

after running several young mens hormones levels the range that i have come up

with based upon healthy males mid 20's is

TT 450-800

shbg 18-22

e2 18-22

provided the thyroid and adrenals are in check.

> > > > >

> > > > > As i look at it every one has a biological set

> > > point and if that set point is pushed then the body may

> > > suffer at the expense of this. Some people set point may be

> > > at 500, but when on TRT may be pushed up 800-900 which is

> > > not natural to the body it could potential alter other

> > > hormone levels. In several cases people on TRT which where

> > > 600-700 at trough which is an acceptable level  after 6

> > > months with no other variables changes there thyroid took a

> > > major nose dive. This is why Dr need to do 6 months follow

> > > up on patients when they are stable on HRT so this

> > > identified.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

You don't want to gage what your DH levels are by this chart. The chart is men

not on TRT and today the better Dr.'s feel if levels for a young man were good

for him then there good for older men.

Life even says to try to get TT levels up into the upper 1/3 of ones labs for a

young man.

The following it a link to an old but dam good link from Life.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

I wish I could lower my T levels it would help with my estradiol problem big

time. But I crash going lower then 800. Most men can get by at 600 and feel

great.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Natural testosterone levels

>

> Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 12:01 PM

> Thanks for the link Phil.  What

> I found most interesting was that even the youngest age

> range had a SHBG just over 35, and it went up from there.

> Also, that the youngest group had a total T in the 600s, and

> the numbers went down from there!  That confirms for me

> that DH's numbers aren't that unreasonably high or low.

>

> Barb

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > As i look at it every one has a

> biological set

> > > point and if that set point is pushed then the

> body may

> > > suffer at the expense of this. Some people set

> point may be

> > > at 500, but when on TRT may be pushed up 800-900

> which is

> > > not natural to the body it could potential alter

> other

> > > hormone levels. In several cases people on TRT

> which where

> > > 600-700 at trough which is an acceptable level 

> after 6

> > > months with no other variables changes there

> thyroid took a

> > > major nose dive. This is why Dr need to do 6

> months follow

> > > up on patients when they are stable on HRT so

> this

> > > identified.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

When a person is on TRT their levels should be 200-300 points higher then a man

producing his own natural levels. I do not know the reason, but it has been an

reoccuring incident.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As i look at it every one has a

> > biological set

> > > > point and if that set point is pushed then the

> > body may

> > > > suffer at the expense of this. Some people set

> > point may be

> > > > at 500, but when on TRT may be pushed up 800-900

> > which is

> > > > not natural to the body it could potential alter

> > other

> > > > hormone levels. In several cases people on TRT

> > which where

> > > > 600-700 at trough which is an acceptable level 

> > after 6

> > > > months with no other variables changes there

> > thyroid took a

> > > > major nose dive. This is why Dr need to do 6

> > months follow

> > > > up on patients when they are stable on HRT so

> > this

> > > > identified.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

But saying everyone needs to be in the top third is like the advice " everyone

needs 3-5 grains, " which I vehemently disagree with. Got him and quite a few

others overdosed. He actually has rock hard wood testing in the 500s on 24 mg.

The wood went away when he got the new 1 ml vials but has finally come back now

that he's up to 36 mg. That's a 50% increase in dose!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As i look at it every one has a

> > biological set

> > > > point and if that set point is pushed then the

> > body may

> > > > suffer at the expense of this. Some people set

> > point may be

> > > > at 500, but when on TRT may be pushed up 800-900

> > which is

> > > > not natural to the body it could potential alter

> > other

> > > > hormone levels. In several cases people on TRT

> > which where

> > > > 600-700 at trough which is an acceptable level 

> > after 6

> > > > months with no other variables changes there

> > thyroid took a

> > > > major nose dive. This is why Dr need to do 6

> > months follow

> > > > up on patients when they are stable on HRT so

> > this

> > > > identified.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Need to find the least dosage to get the optimal benefits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As i look at it every one has a

> > > biological set

> > > > > point and if that set point is pushed then the

> > > body may

> > > > > suffer at the expense of this. Some people set

> > > point may be

> > > > > at 500, but when on TRT may be pushed up 800-900

> > > which is

> > > > > not natural to the body it could potential alter

> > > other

> > > > > hormone levels. In several cases people on TRT

> > > which where

> > > > > 600-700 at trough which is an acceptable level 

> > > after 6

> > > > > months with no other variables changes there

> > > thyroid took a

> > > > > major nose dive. This is why Dr need to do 6

> > > months follow

> > > > > up on patients when they are stable on HRT so

> > > this

> > > > > identified.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

No it's just a way to get men started they all need to start low and do labs and

work there way up on levels by how they feel with good labs.

I never had a problem with wood when I first got sick my Total T levels were 120

I was 38 and had sex 2 to 3 x's / week. I just did not feel like it but made it

a point to have it.

It was later on when I got into my 50's and on TRT that I lost wood and later 10

yrs later found out it was high Estraidol.

I went in for labs this morning and had a take with my Dr.'s wife she is a Dr.

also. I asked her if her women on Arimidex due to breast cancer were needing

more Arimidex due to Estraidol rebounding.

She told me some did have this problem and now that the Generic is out more are

having a problem keeping Estradiol levels down.

I told her my problem and she said that the Pain Pills I am on might be part of

the problem making the Anastrozole unsteady.

I asked her about trying Aromasin she said she never heard of it and went and

looked it up. When she came back she thanked me and gave me a script for it

saying this will fix the problem. And she is going to try using it on some of

the women having problems with the Generic to Arimidex.

Co-Moderator

Phil

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Natural testosterone levels

>

> Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 3:30 PM

> But saying everyone needs to be in

> the top third is like the advice " everyone needs 3-5

> grains, " which I vehemently disagree with.  Got him and

> quite a few others overdosed.  He actually has rock

> hard wood testing in the 500s on 24 mg.  The wood went

> away when he got the new 1 ml vials but has finally come

> back now that he's up to 36 mg.  That's a 50% increase

> in dose!

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As i look at it every one has

> a

> > > biological set

> > > > > point and if that set point is pushed

> then the

> > > body may

> > > > > suffer at the expense of this. Some

> people set

> > > point may be

> > > > > at 500, but when on TRT may be pushed

> up 800-900

> > > which is

> > > > > not natural to the body it could

> potential alter

> > > other

> > > > > hormone levels. In several cases people

> on TRT

> > > which where

> > > > > 600-700 at trough which is an

> acceptable level 

> > > after 6

> > > > > months with no other variables changes

> there

> > > thyroid took a

> > > > > major nose dive. This is why Dr need to

> do 6

> > > months follow

> > > > > up on patients when they are stable on

> HRT so

> > > this

> > > > > identified.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes this is true Secondary men can take HCG and make most of there T levels by

there Testis. But I am to the point using HCG just goes into Estraidol more and

more I am finding like Hard did I need to lower my dose of HCG. I am going to

talk to my Dr. about stopping it for a next 6 weeks to see how my labs look this

is the only way to tell if it's getting my Testis to make T or E2.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Barb <baba@...>

> > Subject: Re: Natural testosterone

> levels

> >

> > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 12:01 PM

> > Thanks for the link Phil.  What

> > I found most interesting was that even the youngest

> age

> > range had a SHBG just over 35, and it went up from

> there.

> > Also, that the youngest group had a total T in the

> 600s, and

> > the numbers went down from there!  That confirms for

> me

> > that DH's numbers aren't that unreasonably high or

> low.

> & g

>

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