Re: Lab results/new doctor

[Guest guest]

Hi and Welcome,

Your levels for 10grams of Androgel at 290 might be in your labs range but it

only normal if your 100 yrs old. Your Dr. is not up on treating low

Testosterone and this is not some thing new here we see this all the time.

Some men just don't do well on gels some have a bad Thyroid and this makes there

skin thinker and gels can't get through there skin. So you end up with lower

levels some men end up lower then they started.

I don't know where you live but in the USA labs are not in your units. But we

can still help.

What you need to do is switch to shots starting at 100 mgs a week. Most of us

use.

Testosterone cypionate: Chemical formula C27H40O3

Testosterone cypionate is the other main injectable form of testosterone

prescribed to trans men in the United States. It is a slow-acting ester with a

release time between 8-10 days, similar to that of enanthate. The name-brand of

T-cypionate available in the United States is called " Depo-Testosterone, " which

is suspended in cottonseed oil. Testosterone cypionate is typically injected

anywhere between once every week to once every three weeks. Generic testosterone

cypionate can also be obtained through a compounding pharmacy; such pharmacies

can mix the cypionate in either sesame or cotton seed oil.

In the UK they use.

Sustanon 100 or 250

" Sustanon " is the brand name for two formulas of injectable testosterone that

contain a blend of esters. " Sustanon 100 " contains three testosterone esters:

testosterone propionate (C22H32O3), testosterone phenylpropionate (C28H36O3),

and testosterone isocaproate (C25H3803). " Sustanon 250 " contains four

testosterone esters: testosterone propionate (C22H32O3), testosterone

phenylpropionate (C28H36O3), testosterone isocaproate (C25H3803), and

testosterone decanoate (C29H4603). Both formulas feature both fast-acting and

slow-acting esters, and can be injected anywhere from once every week to once

every four weeks. Sustanon is prescribed outside of the United States.

It's best to do shots every week so your not on a roller coaster ride up after

the shot only to fall very low again by the next one doing them every 2 or 4

weeks.

Learn how to do our own shots I use a small 27g 1ml. x 1/2 " lg. needle and shoot

into my thigh. Been doing this for yrs. no pain.

What you need to do is to get your Total and Free Testosterone levels up into

the upper 1/3 of your labs range and to keep your Estradiol E2 levels down to

about 20 pg/ml. Men on TRT end up making a lot of Estradiol and this undoes the

good the Testosterone is for.

High E2 levels kills your sex life and makes you feel like your suffering from

Panic or Anxiety. You feel hot and sweat a lot and can get sore and hard

nipples.

Read this link about TRT and visit Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com at this

site read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this are labs you need and why Dr.

puts this out there free for you and your Dr.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

We also use HCG it acts like LH and FSH the message sent to your Testis to tell

it to make Testosterone. When you add Testosterone to your body this gets shut

down and your testis stop working and will get smaller.

One more thing some men don't use Androgel the right way best is to take a good

shower in the morning then when your dry put half the dose 5g's on one side the

the other 5 on the other side. Spreading the gel over your upper arms and

shoulders and then down your back as far as you can reach just spread it over

your skin but don't rub it in let it dry from wet.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: robertwharff <robertwharff@...>

> Subject: Lab results/new doctor

>

> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> Hello,

>

> I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> posts.  The information here seems to be some of the

> best I've come across.  My insurance just changed, and

> I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> objectives before I see my new doctor.

>

> I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> little over a year.  My latest lab results are 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free. 

> All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I think

> I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable the

> free by 10.

>

> I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started with

> the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember the

> test results, but total and free were both low.  I

> started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and the

> results were still low.  The doctor increased to 7.5g

> (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results were

> still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to switch

> to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one more

> test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests were in

> the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free. 

> The doctor said since it was in the normal range it was good

> enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> injections.

>

> I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone.  Those

> symptoms abated a month after I started taking the Androgel,

> but then they returned over the next few months.  I'm

> feeling them all again.  It seems to me that based on

> my last lab results, my testosterone is still low.  If

> my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range. 

> Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

>

> So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks, I

> want to educate myself, so I can be a better patient. 

> I want to understand the test results.  I want to

> understand what my treatment objectives should be.  I'd

> like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> often.  And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> .

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply Phil. I live in NM in the good ole USA. I really

don't understand why the results are not in the same units as I see here and

almost every else. I do use they Androgel as you outlined, and initially I

had symptom improvement. I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the

doctor not being up on treating low testosterone, although he is an endo,

and I though he would. I like him, but feel like the treatment fell way

short of my expectations. I hope the new one is better suited to the task.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:30 PM

Subject: Re: Lab results/new doctor

Hi and Welcome,

Your levels for 10grams of Androgel at 290 might be in your labs range but

it only normal if your 100 yrs old. Your Dr. is not up on treating low

Testosterone and this is not some thing new here we see this all the time.

Some men just don't do well on gels some have a bad Thyroid and this makes

there skin thinker and gels can't get through there skin. So you end up with

lower levels some men end up lower then they started.

I don't know where you live but in the USA labs are not in your units. But

we can still help.

What you need to do is switch to shots starting at 100 mgs a week. Most of

us use.

Testosterone cypionate: Chemical formula C27H40O3

Testosterone cypionate is the other main injectable form of testosterone

prescribed to trans men in the United States. It is a slow-acting ester with

a release time between 8-10 days, similar to that of enanthate. The

name-brand of T-cypionate available in the United States is called

" Depo-Testosterone, " which is suspended in cottonseed oil. Testosterone

cypionate is typically injected anywhere between once every week to once

every three weeks. Generic testosterone cypionate can also be obtained

through a compounding pharmacy; such pharmacies can mix the cypionate in

either sesame or cotton seed oil.

In the UK they use.

Sustanon 100 or 250

" Sustanon " is the brand name for two formulas of injectable testosterone

that contain a blend of esters. " Sustanon 100 " contains three testosterone

esters: testosterone propionate (C22H32O3), testosterone phenylpropionate

(C28H36O3), and testosterone isocaproate (C25H3803). " Sustanon 250 " contains

four testosterone esters: testosterone propionate (C22H32O3), testosterone

phenylpropionate (C28H36O3), testosterone isocaproate (C25H3803), and

testosterone decanoate (C29H4603). Both formulas feature both fast-acting

and slow-acting esters, and can be injected anywhere from once every week to

once every four weeks. Sustanon is prescribed outside of the United States.

It's best to do shots every week so your not on a roller coaster ride up

after the shot only to fall very low again by the next one doing them every

2 or 4 weeks.

Learn how to do our own shots I use a small 27g 1ml. x 1/2 " lg. needle and

shoot into my thigh. Been doing this for yrs. no pain.

What you need to do is to get your Total and Free Testosterone levels up

into the upper 1/3 of your labs range and to keep your Estradiol E2 levels

down to about 20 pg/ml. Men on TRT end up making a lot of Estradiol and this

undoes the good the Testosterone is for.

High E2 levels kills your sex life and makes you feel like your suffering

from Panic or Anxiety. You feel hot and sweat a lot and can get sore and

hard nipples.

Read this link about TRT and visit Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com at

this site read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this are labs you need and why

Dr. puts this out there free for you and your Dr.

http://www.griffinm

<http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html>

edical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

We also use HCG it acts like LH and FSH the message sent to your Testis to

tell it to make Testosterone. When you add Testosterone to your body this

gets shut down and your testis stop working and will get smaller.

One more thing some men don't use Androgel the right way best is to take a

good shower in the morning then when your dry put half the dose 5g's on one

side the the other 5 on the other side. Spreading the gel over your upper

arms and shoulders and then down your back as far as you can reach just

spread it over your skin but don't rub it in let it dry from wet.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: robertwharff <robertwharff@ <mailto:robertwharff%40robertwharff.com>

robertwharff.com>

> Subject: Lab results/new doctor

> @ <mailto: %40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> Hello,

>

> I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> posts. The information here seems to be some of the

> best I've come across. My insurance just changed, and

> I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> objectives before I see my new doctor.

>

> I'm 44 years old. I have been on Androgel for a

> little over a year. My latest lab results are 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free.

> All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I think

> I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable the

> free by 10.

>

> I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started with

> the Androgel as well as an MRI. I don't remember the

> test results, but total and free were both low. I

> started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and the

> results were still low. The doctor increased to 7.5g

> (6 pumps). Again, 6 months later, the results were

> still low. The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to switch

> to injections. Before he did that, he wanted one more

> test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests were in

> the morning. The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free.

> The doctor said since it was in the normal range it was good

> enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> injections.

>

> I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. Those

> symptoms abated a month after I started taking the Androgel,

> but then they returned over the next few months. I'm

> feeling them all again. It seems to me that based on

> my last lab results, my testosterone is still low. If

> my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range.

> Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

>

> So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks, I

> want to educate myself, so I can be a better patient.

> I want to understand the test results. I want to

> understand what my treatment objectives should be. I'd

> like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> often. And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> .

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone had any experience with the implanted testosterone pellets?  My

physician has been approached by a company to be trained to insert them and do

some trials of it.  The pellets are insertged under the skin on th ebuttocks. 

The pellets last about 3 months.  I have done some research on th einternet and

it sounds interesting as far as providing a constant dosage once the correct

dosage is found.

> From: robertwharff <robertwharff@ robertwharff. com>

> Subject: Lab results/new doctor

>

> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> Hello,

>

> I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> posts.  The information here seems to be some of the

> best I've come across.  My insurance just changed, and

> I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> objectives before I see my new doctor.

>

> I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> little over a year.  My latest lab results are 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free. 

> All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I think

> I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable the

> free by 10.

>

> I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started with

> the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember the

> test results, but total and free were both low.  I

> started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and the

> results were still low.  The doctor increased to 7.5g

> (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results were

> still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to switch

> to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one more

> test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests were in

> the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free. 

> The doctor said since it was in the normal range it was good

> enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> injections.

>

> I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone.  Those

> symptoms abated a month after I started taking the Androgel,

> but then they returned over the next few months.  I'm

> feeling them all again.  It seems to me that based on

> my last lab results, my testosterone is still low.  If

> my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range. 

> Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

>

> So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks, I

> want to educate myself, so I can be a better patient. 

> I want to understand the test results.  I want to

> understand what my treatment objectives should be.  I'd

> like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> often.  And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> .

>

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've had two treatments. July and December.

My current levels T = 1100, E=27, 4 weeks after implant.  Expensive, but not

a big deal otherwise.

________________________________

From: j j <hryqwert@...>

Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 7:53:32 PM

Subject: Re: Lab results/new doctor

 

Has anyone had any experience with the implanted testosterone pellets?  My

physician has been approached by a company to be trained to insert them and do

some trials of it.  The pellets are insertged under the skin on th ebuttocks. 

The pellets last about 3 months.  I have done some research on th einternet and

it sounds interesting as far as providing a constant dosage once the correct

dosage is found.

> From: robertwharff <robertwharff@ robertwharff. com>

> Subject: Lab results/new doctor

>

> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> Hello,

>

> I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> posts.  The information here seems to be some of the

> best I've come across.  My insurance just changed, and

> I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> objectives before I see my new doctor.

>

> I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> little over a year.  My latest lab results are 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free. 

> All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I think

> I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable the

> free by 10.

>

> I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started with

> the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember the

> test results, but total and free were both low.  I

> started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and the

> results were still low.  The doctor increased to 7.5g

> (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results were

> still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to switch

> to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one more

> test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests were in

> the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free. 

> The doctor said since it was in the normal range it was good

> enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> injections.

>

> I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone.  Those

> symptoms abated a month after I started taking the Androgel,

> but then they returned over the next few months.  I'm

> feeling them all again.  It seems to me that based on

> my last lab results, my testosterone is still low.  If

> my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range. 

> Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

>

> So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks, I

> want to educate myself, so I can be a better patient. 

> I want to understand the test results.  I want to

> understand what my treatment objectives should be.  I'd

> like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> often.  And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> .

>

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are you satisfied with the procedure required to implant them?  Did they have

to change your original dosage?  Did you take injections first?  I found some

references stating that some doctors prefer to do injections first to give the

man an idea of the effect of having a large dosage on the first few days after

the implant and gradually stabilize.  One drawback cited was if they implant

too many pellets and the dosage is too high, they have to go in and remove some

pellets.  Any discomfort form the pellets? 

> From: robertwharff <robertwharff@ robertwharff. com>

> Subject: Lab results/new doctor

>

> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> Hello,

>

> I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> posts.  The information here seems to be some of the

> best I've come across.  My insurance just changed, and

> I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> objectives before I see my new doctor.

>

> I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> little over a year.  My latest lab results are 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free. 

> All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I think

> I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable the

> free by 10.

>

> I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started with

> the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember the

> test results, but total and free were both low.  I

> started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and the

> results were still low.  The doctor increased to 7.5g

> (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results were

> still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to switch

> to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one more

> test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests were in

> the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free. 

> The doctor said since it was in the normal range it was good

> enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> injections.

>

> I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone.  Those

> symptoms abated a month after I started taking the Androgel,

> but then they returned over the next few months.  I'm

> feeling them all again.  It seems to me that based on

> my last lab results, my testosterone is still low.  If

> my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range. 

> Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

>

> So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks, I

> want to educate myself, so I can be a better patient. 

> I want to understand the test results.  I want to

> understand what my treatment objectives should be.  I'd

> like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> often.  And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> .

>

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Procedure was quick, 10 minutes once he started. A little novacaine first,

then didn't feel any pain after that.  Tender to sit on that side for a few

days, but nothing drastic. I had the same number of pellets this time, that I

did last time, but my T level went higher this time.  The Dr predicted

that.   The one thing the Dr didn't do, which I wish that he had done, was

determine if I am primary or secondary deficient.   I suspect that I am

secondary, and may well try HCG next time.  If you follow this board for a

while, a lot of guys have input on the benfit of HCG, which as I understand it,

doesn't work for those whose testicles aren't producing T; but, apparently can

help stimulate your body to make T, if they are capable of doing so.

I am far from being an expert, and will stand corrected by others who may have

a different viewpoint.

________________________________

From: j j <hryqwert@...>

Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 8:08:30 PM

Subject: Re: Lab results/new doctor

 

Are you satisfied with the procedure required to implant them?  Did they have

to change your original dosage?  Did you take injections first?  I found some

references stating that some doctors prefer to do injections first to give the

man an idea of the effect of having a large dosage on the first few days after

the implant and gradually stabilize.  One drawback cited was if they implant

too many pellets and the dosage is too high, they have to go in and remove some

pellets.  Any discomfort form the pellets? 

> From: robertwharff <robertwharff@ robertwharff. com>

> Subject: Lab results/new doctor

>

> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> Hello,

>

> I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> posts.  The information here seems to be some of the

> best I've come across.  My insurance just changed, and

> I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> objectives before I see my new doctor.

>

> I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> little over a year.  My latest lab results are 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free. 

> All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I think

> I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable the

> free by 10.

>

> I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started with

> the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember the

> test results, but total and free were both low.  I

> started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and the

> results were still low.  The doctor increased to 7.5g

> (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results were

> still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to switch

> to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one more

> test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests were in

> the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of 2.9

> ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free. 

> The doctor said since it was in the normal range it was good

> enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> injections.

>

> I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone.  Those

> symptoms abated a month after I started taking the Androgel,

> but then they returned over the next few months.  I'm

> feeling them all again.  It seems to me that based on

> my last lab results, my testosterone is still low.  If

> my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range. 

> Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

>

> So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks, I

> want to educate myself, so I can be a better patient. 

> I want to understand the test results.  I want to

> understand what my treatment objectives should be.  I'd

> like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> often.  And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> .

>

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had pellets implanted...$$$$$ as it is billed as a *surgical* procedure...doc

put in too little (he guessed wrong) and it lasted maybe 6weeks..then of course

they want to keep doing it ....I'd never do it again...you are relying on the

compounding of the drug correctly, the use by your body over time, and it's very

$$$...I did not have a good experience (female)..El

[Guest guest]

I have few patients that come to us on pellets and they are just too much a pain

in the ass literally and need to be replaced every 3 months at 600 buck a pop.

So its a no brainer that there are other options that are available. Also look

into your other hormones such as thyroid, adrenals, lifestyles, ect in

conjnction with other issues that may be conributing factor. Look for the

source vs the symptoms problem with modern medicine.

>

> I had pellets implanted...$$$$$ as it is billed as a *surgical*

procedure...doc put in too little (he guessed wrong) and it lasted maybe

6weeks..then of course they want to keep doing it ....I'd never do it

again...you are relying on the compounding of the drug correctly, the use by

your body over time, and it's very $$$...I did not have a good experience

(female)..El

>

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry your going through this crap but it's not your it's seeing an Endo

they just are not good Dr.'s for low Testosterone and they use there own labs.

I seen 7 in the last 27 yrs not one was any good at this and they each took me

off TRT with there Bull Shi* getting a base set of labs to see how bad my levels

are.

They would not look at the labs I had with me and I crashed each time. Today I

know you can't take a man off TRT and get good labs so never let a Dr. do this

to you. It's a long story you can read mine at this link.

And the update to the problems I had with my heart I am lucky to be here.

I have read one sad story after the other about people seeing Endo's for low

Testosterone and even Thyroid problems they are only good for high sugar

problems.

We don't have a Dr. in NM in the database section but in the files section we

have a file " Finding a New Hormone Dr. " read this it will help you to find one.

Like Dr. any good DO Dr. that treats men for low T would be your best bet.

Here is a link to help you find one.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15451

When you go to see a new Dr. call them ask how many men does the Dr. treat for

low T and ask if he tests for high Estradiol levels and if he uses Arimidex to

get it down. Ask if he checks to see why one is low and if one has a Pituitary

problem or is Secondary dose he use HCG. You will know if you have found a good

one.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: robertwharff <robertwharff@

> <mailto:robertwharff%40robertwharff.com>

> robertwharff.com>

> > Subject: Lab results/new doctor

> > @

> <mailto: %40>

>

> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> > Hello,

> >

> > I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> > posts.  The information here seems to be some of

> the

> > best I've come across.  My insurance just

> changed, and

> > I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> > objectives before I see my new doctor.

> >

> > I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> > little over a year.  My latest lab results are

> 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free.

>

> > All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I

> think

> > I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable

> the

> > free by 10.

> >

> > I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started

> with

> > the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember

> the

> > test results, but total and free were both low. 

> I

> > started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and

> the

> > results were still low.  The doctor increased to

> 7.5g

> > (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results

> were

> > still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10%

> of

> > people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to

> switch

> > to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one

> more

> > test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests

> were in

> > the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30

> (Androgel

> > applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of

> 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for free.

>

> > The doctor said since it was in the normal range it

> was good

> > enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> > injections.

> >

> > I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. 

> Those

> > symptoms abated a month after I started taking the

> Androgel,

> > but then they returned over the next few months. 

> I'm

> > feeling them all again.  It seems to me that

> based on

> > my last lab results, my testosterone is still

> low.  If

> > my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range.

> > Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

> >

> > So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks,

> I

> > want to educate myself, so I can be a better patient.

>

> > I want to understand the test results.  I want

> to

> > understand what my treatment objectives should

> be.  I'd

> > like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> > often.  And, I'd like to know if I should

> consider

> > switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes we have talked this into the ground I tried them the cost for this was over

the top. The problem with this is finding a good Dr. that will not rip you off

for your money. The one I seen did not give me near the amount of pellets I

needed and I was back low again in 4 weeks. He charged me again giving me more

to only last 3 weeks this time. Total cost for seeing him labs and putting in

the pellets was well over 1,800.00 in 2 months. When I seen him last he tried

to tell me I am Depressed.

Knowing what I know today and having family members the use pellets both men and

women I would say yes if you can get enough pellets to last you 3 months still

the cost is very high.

ernestnolan here gets them and get Medicare to pay for some of the cost.

He gets 1500 mgs of pellets every 3 months here in my state all I can get is 1/3

of what I need and the Dr.'s want you back every 4 weeks to put them in what a

rip off.

My feeling about this even if you find a good Dr. for this if it cost your more

then 500 every 3 months it's still to much money.

To read more about this just go to the home page click on messages and in the

search put in ernestnolan pellets.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: robertwharff <robertwharff@ robertwharff.

> com>

> > Subject: Lab results/new doctor

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> > Hello,

> >

> > I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> > posts.  The information here seems to be some of the

> > best I've come across.  My insurance just changed,

> and

> > I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> > objectives before I see my new doctor.

> >

> > I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> > little over a year.  My latest lab results are 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free. 

> > All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I

> think

> > I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable

> the

> > free by 10.

> >

> > I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started

> with

> > the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember

> the

> > test results, but total and free were both low.  I

> > started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and

> the

> > results were still low.  The doctor increased to

> 7.5g

> > (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results were

> > still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> > people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to

> switch

> > to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one

> more

> > test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests

> were in

> > the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> > applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of

> 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free. 

> > The doctor said since it was in the normal range it

> was good

> > enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> > injections.

> >

> > I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. 

> Those

> > symptoms abated a month after I started taking the

> Androgel,

> > but then they returned over the next few months. 

> I'm

> > feeling them all again.  It seems to me that based

> on

> > my last lab results, my testosterone is still low. 

> If

> > my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range. 

> > Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

> >

> > So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks,

> I

> > want to educate myself, so I can be a better

> patient. 

> > I want to understand the test results.  I want to

> > understand what my treatment objectives should be. 

> I'd

> > like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> > often.  And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> > switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

How many mgs in pellets did you get and for what cost.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: robertwharff <robertwharff@ robertwharff.

> com>

> > Subject: Lab results/new doctor

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> > Hello,

> >

> > I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> > posts.  The information here seems to be some of the

> > best I've come across.  My insurance just changed,

> and

> > I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> > objectives before I see my new doctor.

> >

> > I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> > little over a year.  My latest lab results are 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free. 

> > All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I

> think

> > I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable

> the

> > free by 10.

> >

> > I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started

> with

> > the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember

> the

> > test results, but total and free were both low.  I

> > started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and

> the

> > results were still low.  The doctor increased to

> 7.5g

> > (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results were

> > still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> > people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to

> switch

> > to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one

> more

> > test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests

> were in

> > the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> > applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of

> 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free. 

> > The doctor said since it was in the normal range it

> was good

> > enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> > injections.

> >

> > I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. 

> Those

> > symptoms abated a month after I started taking the

> Androgel,

> > but then they returned over the next few months. 

> I'm

> > feeling them all again.  It seems to me that based

> on

> > my last lab results, my testosterone is still low. 

> If

> > my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range. 

> > Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

> >

> > So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks,

> I

> > want to educate myself, so I can be a better

> patient. 

> > I want to understand the test results.  I want to

> > understand what my treatment objectives should be. 

> I'd

> > like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> > often.  And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> > switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

They say is your blood gets to thick on pellets you need to get them taken out

this is Bull all you need to do is give blood. I see Dr.'s say this about

pellets the don't believe in using them. But if I could find a Dr. like

ernestnolan has I would be on them at the drop of a hat. And they are not new

Bob Hope was on them meany yrs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: robertwharff <robertwharff@ robertwharff.

> com>

> > Subject: Lab results/new doctor

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> > Hello,

> >

> > I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> > posts.  The information here seems to be some of the

> > best I've come across.  My insurance just changed,

> and

> > I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> > objectives before I see my new doctor.

> >

> > I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> > little over a year.  My latest lab results are 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free. 

> > All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I

> think

> > I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable

> the

> > free by 10.

> >

> > I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started

> with

> > the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember

> the

> > test results, but total and free were both low.  I

> > started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and

> the

> > results were still low.  The doctor increased to

> 7.5g

> > (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results were

> > still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> > people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to

> switch

> > to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one

> more

> > test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests

> were in

> > the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> > applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of

> 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free. 

> > The doctor said since it was in the normal range it

> was good

> > enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> > injections.

> >

> > I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. 

> Those

> > symptoms abated a month after I started taking the

> Androgel,

> > but then they returned over the next few months. 

> I'm

> > feeling them all again.  It seems to me that based

> on

> > my last lab results, my testosterone is still low. 

> If

> > my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range. 

> > Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

> >

> > So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks,

> I

> > want to educate myself, so I can be a better

> patient. 

> > I want to understand the test results.  I want to

> > understand what my treatment objectives should be. 

> I'd

> > like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> > often.  And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> > switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

B Pender HCG works even if your testis don't work good here is a cut and paste

from Dr. to help me get my Dr. to let me try HCG. Doing this 6 yrs ago

after being told I am Primary meaning my testis don't work. I found out they do

work and I am Secondary after 23 yrs of not feel 100% on TRT. What I have is

called Hypopituitary do to a head injury and looking back at my labs they were

screaming this problem. The thing with Dr.'s is if your in the range on labs

your OK this is not true. Now I treat all my low and low normal hormones and

feel great.

Here is what Dr. posted to me.

==========================================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

So even if your on pellets you can do HCG even if your Primary do 250 IU's every

3 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: robertwharff <robertwharff@ robertwharff.

> com>

> > Subject: Lab results/new doctor

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> > Hello,

> >

> > I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> > posts.  The information here seems to be some of the

> > best I've come across.  My insurance just changed,

> and

> > I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> > objectives before I see my new doctor.

> >

> > I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> > little over a year.  My latest lab results are 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free. 

> > All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I

> think

> > I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable

> the

> > free by 10.

> >

> > I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started

> with

> > the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember

> the

> > test results, but total and free were both low.  I

> > started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and

> the

> > results were still low.  The doctor increased to

> 7.5g

> > (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results were

> > still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> > people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to

> switch

> > to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one

> more

> > test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests

> were in

> > the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> > applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of

> 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free. 

> > The doctor said since it was in the normal range it

> was good

> > enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> > injections.

> >

> > I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. 

> Those

> > symptoms abated a month after I started taking the

> Androgel,

> > but then they returned over the next few months. 

> I'm

> > feeling them all again.  It seems to me that based

> on

> > my last lab results, my testosterone is still low. 

> If

> > my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range. 

> > Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

> >

> > So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks,

> I

> > want to educate myself, so I can be a better

> patient. 

> > I want to understand the test results.  I want to

> > understand what my treatment objectives should be. 

> I'd

> > like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> > often.  And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> > switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil. From what I've read here and elsewhere, it can be a struggle

to find the right doctor. My new doctor is also an endo. I'll quiz him

hard and see what he has to say. If I don't get a good response, I'll just

keep looking.

[Guest guest]

GREAT POST!  Thanks for the clarification, very educational.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 9:54:37 AM

Subject: Re: Lab results/new doctor

 

B Pender HCG works even if your testis don't work good here is a cut and paste

from Dr. to help me get my Dr. to let me try HCG. Doing this 6 yrs ago

after being told I am Primary meaning my testis don't work. I found out they do

work and I am Secondary after 23 yrs of not feel 100% on TRT. What I have is

called Hypopituitary do to a head injury and looking back at my labs they were

screaming this problem. The thing with Dr.'s is if your in the range on labs

your OK this is not true. Now I treat all my low and low normal hormones and

feel great.

Here is what Dr. posted to me.

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

========

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

So even if your on pellets you can do HCG even if your Primary do 250 IU's every

3 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: robertwharff <robertwharff@ robertwharff.

> com>

> > Subject: Lab results/new doctor

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> > Hello,

> >

> > I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> > posts.  The information here seems to be some of the

> > best I've come across.  My insurance just changed,

> and

> > I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> > objectives before I see my new doctor.

> >

> > I'm 44 years old.  I have been on Androgel for a

> > little over a year.  My latest lab results are 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free. 

> > All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I

> think

> > I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable

> the

> > free by 10.

> >

> > I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started

> with

> > the Androgel as well as an MRI.  I don't remember

> the

> > test results, but total and free were both low.  I

> > started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and

> the

> > results were still low.  The doctor increased to

> 7.5g

> > (6 pumps).  Again, 6 months later, the results were

> > still low.  The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> > people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to

> switch

> > to injections.  Before he did that, he wanted one

> more

> > test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests

> were in

> > the morning.  The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> > applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of

> 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free. 

> > The doctor said since it was in the normal range it

> was good

> > enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> > injections.

> >

> > I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. 

> Those

> > symptoms abated a month after I started taking the

> Androgel,

> > but then they returned over the next few months. 

> I'm

> > feeling them all again.  It seems to me that based

> on

> > my last lab results, my testosterone is still low. 

> If

> > my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range. 

> > Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

> >

> > So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks,

> I

> > want to educate myself, so I can be a better

> patient. 

> > I want to understand the test results.  I want to

> > understand what my treatment objectives should be. 

> I'd

> > like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> > often.  And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> > switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Here are some of the forums I go to and help men you can post where you live and

see if some one knows a good Dr. one other thing you can do is to call a

compounding pharmacy like the one in this link and ask for the name and number

of Dr.'s in your area they do compounding Testosterone for.

http://www.collegepharmacy.com/menshealth/andropause.asp

This link is to Dr. 's forum he comes here a lot and is a good web friend of

mine.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

This Dr.'s forum is great in the files section are some copy's of his posts to

guys like us when you start reading them you can't stop. Dr. nco he feels

peoples mental problems are due to low hormones.

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/index.php

This one is Male Anti-Aging Medicine at a bodybuilding site dam good.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/

And this one is great one of the best Dr. started this forum " Men's Health

Forum " and Dr. nco started posting there for info from us for his new book.

Dr. aka SWALE there.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/

If you can't find someone in your area at them sites that knows a good Dr. I

will be shocked.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Wharff <robertwharff@...>

> Subject: RE: Lab results/new doctor

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 12:01 PM

> Thanks Phil.  From what I've

> read here and elsewhere, it can be a struggle

> to find the right doctor.  My new doctor is also an

> endo.  I'll quiz him

> hard and see what he has to say.  If I don't get a

> good response, I'll just

> keep looking.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What's a pellet? Where does one get them?

Tx.

Harry B.

New York

Lab results/new doctor

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:00 PM

> > Hello,

> >

> > I just joined the group, and I've been reading the

> > posts. The information here seems to be some of the

> > best I've come across. My insurance just changed,

> and

> > I want to understand my lab results and my treatment

> > objectives before I see my new doctor.

> >

> > I'm 44 years old. I have been on Androgel for a

> > little over a year. My latest lab results are 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free.

> > All of the test results I read about are per dl, so I

> think

> > I have to multiple the total by 100 to be comparable

> the

> > free by 10.

> >

> > I had a full hormone panel a year ago before I started

> with

> > the Androgel as well as an MRI. I don't remember

> the

> > test results, but total and free were both low. I

> > started with 5g of Androgel (4 pumps) for 6 months and

> the

> > results were still low. The doctor increased to

> 7.5g

> > (6 pumps). Again, 6 months later, the results were

> > still low. The doctor suggested that about 10% of

> > people don't absorb Androgel well, and I may have to

> switch

> > to injections. Before he did that, he wanted one

> more

> > test in the afternoon, as all of the previous tests

> were in

> > the morning. The afternoon test at 4:30 (Androgel

> > applied at 7:30 in the morning) yield the results of

> 2.9

> > ng/ml for total testosterone and 12.82 pg/ml for

> free.

> > The doctor said since it was in the normal range it

> was good

> > enough and no need to change the dosage or switch to

> > injections.

> >

> > I have all of the symptoms of low testosterone.

> Those

> > symptoms abated a month after I started taking the

> Androgel,

> > but then they returned over the next few months.

> I'm

> > feeling them all again. It seems to me that based

> on

> > my last lab results, my testosterone is still low.

> If

> > my total is 290, it is barely in the normal range.

> > Shouldn't the objective be to get it to 600 to 700?

> >

> > So, before I see the new doctor in a couple of weeks,

> I

> > want to educate myself, so I can be a better

> patient.

> > I want to understand the test results. I want to

> > understand what my treatment objectives should be.

> I'd

> > like to understand what tests need to be run and how

> > often. And, I'd like to know if I should consider

> > switching to another TRT or stick with the Androgel.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:47:28 -0700, you wrote:

>

>Thanks for the reply Phil. I live in NM in the good ole USA. I really

>don't understand why the results are not in the same units as I see here and

>almost every else. I do use they Androgel as you outlined, and initially I

>had symptom improvement. I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the

>doctor not being up on treating low testosterone, although he is an endo,

>and I though he would. I like him, but feel like the treatment fell way

>short of my expectations. I hope the new one is better suited to the task.

There are different measurement units. It's good you noted that. What

are the units on your tests? We can point you to converters:

http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/clinical_data.html

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:01:36 -0700, you wrote:

>Thanks Phil. From what I've read here and elsewhere, it can be a struggle

>to find the right doctor. My new doctor is also an endo. I'll quiz him

>hard and see what he has to say. If I don't get a good response, I'll just

>keep looking.

A key point in determining if you have a good endo or not is their

willingness to test for E2.

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:53:32 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>

>Has anyone had any experience with the implanted testosterone pellets?  My

physician has been approached by a company to be trained to insert them and do

some trials of it.  The pellets are insertged under the skin on th ebuttocks. 

The pellets last about 3 months.  I have done some research on th einternet and

it sounds interesting as far as providing a constant dosage once the correct

dosage is found.

There's a couple people here who swear by them. I personally question

their use. Most of us have issues at some point adjusting doses. When

you are taking weekly injects or daily gels, it's a very easing thing

to cut back or ramp up one's dose. But with pellets you have to ride

it out for 3 or 4 months, or get them removed. No thanks.