Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Yep. Testosterone is Testosterone. The ester is just what gets cleaved off as it is metabolized. Your system cleaves off the different esters at different rates. The studies on Nebido so a half-life around 33-34 days. The bodybuilders claim the undecanoate ester produces a half-life around 16.5 days. This is around double enanthate or cypionate. Not sure which to believe. It probably is somewhere in between. I only feel stable with twice weekly injections of cyp. so with this I could probably go to weekly or every 10 days. I am curious how quickly your levels peak. ________________________________ From: k0cm <Randy@...> Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 11:08:20 AM Subject: Re: More on Nebido Can you tell my why Nebido would be safer or have fewer side effects than eth or cyp? As I understand it all of these injections use various esters of testosterone to make it slowly release " T " . I've read here that an injection of pure " T " would have a half life of a few hours. I've been on Testosterone Cypionate for 26 months now. At first I had injections in the doctor's office every month. After about 5 month's I injected at home. The last week of the month I was fairly miserable becasue the " T " had fallen off. Three days after the shot I was on top of the world. Then I started injection twice a month and just a few months ago, I started weekly injections. The only side effect I had was more or less permanently erect nipples and a bit of gyno. Arimidex helped with that. Last August I was found to have " thick blood " (pseudo polycythemia) i.e. high red blood cell count, high RDW (red blood cell width) and high hematocrit. The cure for that was " bloodletting " . Like donating blood, but they throw it away. I am tested every month. They have only had to bleed me twice so far. I believe those side effects were due to the " roller coaster " effect of injecting once or twice a month. I think weekly injections are improving everything. As for the benefits I've seen it is so fantastic that it borders on the unbeliveable. I'm 60 years old and feel better than I did when I was 40. I've become a Gym Rat and work out on a regular basis. On the Cybex pin-select weight machines I can do very high reps without getting fatigued. I was never athletic and went from a 120 lb weakling (at age 25) to a 180 lb fat man (at age 35) without ever being really strong. I've been trying to get below 200 lbs for the past year, but I can't do it because I keep gaining muscle. > > Well, I use nebido just bc it is safer then eth and cyp. But we have to do what works well for us. Only we know how we feel not others. And nebido is soo expensive.. But for me it looks like the alternative. I am also thinking of using eth, but I am a bit afraid of the side affects it comes with. Any suggestions? Can you provide me input on how you feel with Eth in your system? Side affects and how you feel on a daily basis? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 I can tell you I do dam good on Test C I do 80 mgs every 3 days I got this from Dr. Shippen he did the book " The Testosteron Syndrome " he was down on shots but found doing them every 3 days subQ worked great to keep E2 levels down and to stay leveled. I also shoot HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T shots. My labs came back Total T 849. Free T 199 Bio T 401 SHBG 19 I keep my E2 at about 15 because my SHBG is lower you can keep E2 lower this a lower SHBG. Co-Moderator Phil > From: vadielunn <trance325@...> > Subject: Re: More on Nebido > > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:37 AM > Well, I use nebido just bc it is > safer then eth and cyp. But we have to do what works > well for us. Only we know how we feel not others. And > nebido is soo expensive.. But for me it looks like the > alternative. I am also thinking of using eth, but I am > a bit afraid of the side affects it comes with. Any > suggestions? Can you provide me input on how you feel with > Eth in your system? Side affects and how you feel on a > daily basis? > > > > > > > > > I googled up this while searching for Nebido: > > (from a body building forum) > > > > ---- > > I lived in Europea a few years ago and had Nebido > injected. It takes you for an insane ride, ups and downs. > This is 4cc of substance injected into your behind and give > youwhat would be termed a steroid flu. I talked to a few > docs and pharmacy workers and they said that the company > that produces Nebido is in essence a big bully and forces a > good number of EU members to carry only this product (not > sure if this is true I only lived in two European > countries). > > > > I read the package insert and it said that if desired > you can inject within 30 days if needed. The cost of one > injection was around $167. > > After the first injection I decided to drop Nebido and > opted for Test. Enanthate and now use Cyp. Both are much > better for me. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:37:02 -0000, you wrote: > >Well, I use nebido just bc it is safer then eth and cyp. Can you tell me why you believe that? Some studies, data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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