Re: 40 yr old - Hypogonadism - Starting to Feel Hopeless...

[Guest guest]

Sir,

I was 119 a few years ago. I tried Testim and it got worse mostly because of my

skin. I inject T 2 times weekly 50 mg and 500 iu of HCG on the days inbetween.

I am always around 700 to 900 on the same scale as your on. Bottom line NO

DEPRESSION or abnormal thoughts pressures or desires. Just my opinion but you

may have not given Your T shots a good dose or frequently enough. You

shouldn't be anywhere that low

Regards,

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

40 yr old - Hypogonadism - Starting to Feel Hopeless...

I started to post this as a response in another thread but decided it's time to

start my own.

I was diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism in 1996. I was 27. My T score was

164 in a range of 241-827. I was extremely lethargic, depressed & had no

motivation.

Since that time I have averaged a T score of 327 using scrotal cremes, patches,

injections, gels & pellets. Always independently, I've never used any in

combination. I suppose I had resolved it was impossible to bring my T up any

higher. I never pressed the issue with my Dr. Not sure why.

6 months ago it dawned on me that there is no reason my T levels should not be

at least in the mid levels of normal. To my knowledge I have never experienced

what having that level of testosterone feels like. I read the T pharm literature

talking about " getting the edge back " or " feel like you felt when you were

younger " etc.

On 11-23-09 I had, I believe, 10 Testopel pellets implanted.

Then I had a Total T test taken on 12-23-09. The results came back today. My

score went up a whole 30 points. 415 to 445. Very disappointing. $1000.00 for

the pellets, $200.00 for the Dr. to put them in. I see him tomorrow to discuss

the results. He acted confident this would get me to the middle of normal range.

I'm not sure where to go from here. It's probably time for me to find another

Dr. The Endocrinologist I see is really well known and respected in the city I

live in but I may need to see someone that specializes in hormones.

Anyone have any ideas or comments to share? My ears are open.

Sorry this post is so long.

Jack

[Guest guest]

Hi Jack what took you so long to post,

We are going to spend a lot of time talking I am Secondary took me 23 or 27 yrs

on TRT to figure this out.

You need to stop seeing Endo's they are not good for this problem if they were

you would have been fixed a long dam time ago.

The Pellets you just had done says this.

" Each sterile pellet weighs approximately 77mg (75mg testosterone) and is ready

for implantation. "

Your Dr. just ripped you off I had the same dam thing happen to me when I tried

them. You had 10 75 mgs pellets put in and this is half of what most men need.

I had talked to Collage Pharmacy some yrs. after I tried pellets. At the time I

did not know anything and when I learned about this I made a call the Dr. I used

got the pellets from College they told me he gave me less then half of what I

needed. And to add to this I was back in 30 days feeling dam bad, he did more

labs I was low like you. So he gave me more but not as much same cost and this

only lasted 3 weeks. So my cost for all of this was over $1,800.00 and when I

seen him again he told me this is not possible I can't be low and would not even

test me he told me I must be Depressed and offered me Prozac. WTF this is Bull.

You need to see a better Dr. get on shots starting with 100 mgs a week and to

add to this HCG doing 250 IU's the 2 days each before your next weekly

Testosterone shot. Doing this should get your levels up your need your levels

up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range for Total and Free T and you need to

test your Estradiol levels and keep them down to about 20 pg/ml

Tell me where you live maybe we have someone here that sees a good hormone Dr.

in your area.

Here is what you need being Secondary you might need to get your Adrenals

checked for low Cortisol levels and your Thyroid. Also your Ferritin men that

are secondary have a lot of hormones that are low or low normal if you have some

at the bottom of the range you need to treat them because your Pituitary does

not work right. You even need to check your Growth Hormone levels.

Here is a link to my other forum about this and it's closed I helped this guy

that runs it and he can't run it any more but it's full of good info.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewforum.php?f=12 & sid=19b219210f6fff5462289e1\

7599940f8

Go to Dr. site and read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this are labs you

needed and read his HCG update he puts this out there free for you and your Dr.

www.allthingsmale.com

If you have a family Dr. that is willing he will work with your Family Dr. over

the phone to test and treat you he is one of the best hormone Dr.'s out there.

Also read this about TRT and Estradiol.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

I have to treat the following because I am Hypopituitary or Secondary.

Testosterone by shots I do 80 mgs every 3 days.

Novarel HCG I do 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my Testosterone shots.

Arimidex .25 mgs every 2 to 3 days to keep my Estradiol levels down.

Armour for Thyroid.

Iron pills because my Ferritin levels are low.

Florinef because my Aldosterone levels are low and my body dumps my sodium.

Humatrope Growth Hormone because these low levels damaged my Heart and I had

Heart Bypass sugary a year ago last Nov.

Cortef because my Cortisol levels are to low.

Do read this.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

You need to be sure all the hormones that are controlled by your Pituitary are

good if not treat them you can read my story at this link and the update about

my Heart sugary.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: healthplan2010 <no_reply >

> Subject: 40 yr old - Hypogonadism - Starting to Feel

Hopeless...

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:22 PM

> I started to post this as a response

> in another thread but decided it's time to start my own.

>

> I was diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism in 1996. I was

> 27. My T score was 164 in a range of 241-827. I was

> extremely lethargic, depressed & had no motivation.

>

> Since that time I have averaged a T score of 327 using

> scrotal cremes, patches, injections, gels & pellets.

> Always independently, I've never used any in combination. I

> suppose I had resolved it was impossible to bring my T up

> any higher. I never pressed the issue with my Dr. Not sure

> why.

>

> 6 months ago it dawned on me that there is no reason my T

> levels should not be at least in the mid levels of normal.

> To my knowledge I have never experienced what having that

> level of testosterone feels like. I read the T pharm

> literature talking about " getting the edge back " or " feel

> like you felt when you were younger " etc.

>

> On 11-23-09 I had, I believe, 10 Testopel pellets

> implanted.

> Then I had a Total T test taken on 12-23-09. The results

> came back today. My score went up a whole 30 points. 415 to

> 445. Very disappointing. $1000.00 for the pellets, $200.00

> for the Dr. to put them in. I see him tomorrow to discuss

> the results. He acted confident this would get me to the

> middle of normal range.

>

> I'm not sure where to go from here. It's probably time for

> me to find another Dr. The Endocrinologist I see is really

> well known and respected in the city I live in but I may

> need to see someone that specializes in hormones.

>

> Anyone have any ideas or comments to share? My ears are

> open.

>

> Sorry this post is so long.

>

> Jack

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

first dont loose hope my dear friend. We all have experienced this one way or

another. Second, I am sorry that you lost your money on pellets that were

useless. A doctor tried that shit with me and told him to fuck off.

Now, there is hope and some good news. First for being 40 years old your test

should be 500 to 1100. If a doctor tells you otherwise, he is a moron. Because

they are audited and have to go by the books. They are now allowed to tell

patients the truth.

I have secondary as well and it sucks. It mainly affected my Cognitive

functions. Then Libido was gone too. I went through respected doctors (about 4

of them) then decided to take matters into my own hands. Now, here is what I

can tell you. Androgel, pellets, pills, patches. All junk for the most part.

Androgel is still ok, but it wont get the job done the way it supposed to.

Right now, I am on an injection called Nebido (Testosterone Undeconante). I had

to buy this bad boy from another country because the FDA are useless and really

dont give a shit about the american people (In time you will see that I am right

if you disagree). So do some research on this drug on google.. read up on it.

then feel free to email me with any questions. I started this injection as of

jan 2nd of this year. It is a long acting ester and is safer then other test

injections out there. It is NOT for body building it is for people like us.

But the motovation and energy issues you are having right now. Try this.. Go to

GNC. Buy Tribex (any kind) and Novadex XT. Novadex will suppress your libido (

no biggie for now) and Tribex will increase ur LH and fH signals. Take 2 tribex

pills in the morning with 1 Novadex XT pill. Then take 1 Novadex XT in mid

afternoon. If you cant sleep go to walgreens and get a natural sleep aid.

Do this until you feel better again. Forget the Libido for now. And before you

start all of this get your prostate checked.

What helps me to get into a good mood is Music, comdedy, and keeping busy with

something i enjoy like hobby. If you are worried about your libido then

discontinue Novadex XT after one weeks use. Then you will see a slight

improvement since you are hypogondal.

>

> I started to post this as a response in another thread but decided it's time

to start my own.

>

> I was diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism in 1996. I was 27. My T score was

164 in a range of 241-827. I was extremely lethargic, depressed & had no

motivation.

>

> Since that time I have averaged a T score of 327 using scrotal cremes,

patches, injections, gels & pellets. Always independently, I've never used any

in combination. I suppose I had resolved it was impossible to bring my T up any

higher. I never pressed the issue with my Dr. Not sure why.

>

> 6 months ago it dawned on me that there is no reason my T levels should not be

at least in the mid levels of normal. To my knowledge I have never experienced

what having that level of testosterone feels like. I read the T pharm literature

talking about " getting the edge back " or " feel like you felt when you were

younger " etc.

>

> On 11-23-09 I had, I believe, 10 Testopel pellets implanted.

> Then I had a Total T test taken on 12-23-09. The results came back today. My

score went up a whole 30 points. 415 to 445. Very disappointing. $1000.00 for

the pellets, $200.00 for the Dr. to put them in. I see him tomorrow to discuss

the results. He acted confident this would get me to the middle of normal range.

>

> I'm not sure where to go from here. It's probably time for me to find another

Dr. The Endocrinologist I see is really well known and respected in the city I

live in but I may need to see someone that specializes in hormones.

>

> Anyone have any ideas or comments to share? My ears are open.

>

> Sorry this post is so long.

>

> Jack

>

[Guest guest]

What most of us do not realize is that. If the pharam world gave out cures they

will go OUT OF BUSINESS!. They keep people sick to stay in busniess. And

doctors are their sales representitives. Now im not saying all doctors I like

this but majority are. Plus a doctor will not know how you exactly feel. Only

you do.

I saw a well respected Urologist once and two harvard grad doctors.. I realized

they are a bunch of fruits and fired them. Took matters into my own hands and

been better without them ever since. Now I see an endo doctor. She is kinda

flakey as well, but I use her to get blood work done. She has no clue that i

self medicate and so far im good.

My goal is to get my levels at a consistant level of 1100. and I am 29.

Prostate health is not issue for me at this moment but just an fyi.

Testosterone does NOT increase issues with the prostate. Already proven.

>

> > From: healthplan2010 <no_reply >

> > Subject: 40 yr old - Hypogonadism - Starting to Feel

Hopeless...

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:22 PM

> > I started to post this as a response

> > in another thread but decided it's time to start my own.

> >

> > I was diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism in 1996. I was

> > 27. My T score was 164 in a range of 241-827. I was

> > extremely lethargic, depressed & had no motivation.

> >

> > Since that time I have averaged a T score of 327 using

> > scrotal cremes, patches, injections, gels & pellets.

> > Always independently, I've never used any in combination. I

> > suppose I had resolved it was impossible to bring my T up

> > any higher. I never pressed the issue with my Dr. Not sure

> > why.

> >

> > 6 months ago it dawned on me that there is no reason my T

> > levels should not be at least in the mid levels of normal.

> > To my knowledge I have never experienced what having that

> > level of testosterone feels like. I read the T pharm

> > literature talking about " getting the edge back " or " feel

> > like you felt when you were younger " etc.

> >

> > On 11-23-09 I had, I believe, 10 Testopel pellets

> > implanted.

> > Then I had a Total T test taken on 12-23-09. The results

> > came back today. My score went up a whole 30 points. 415 to

> > 445. Very disappointing. $1000.00 for the pellets, $200.00

> > for the Dr. to put them in. I see him tomorrow to discuss

> > the results. He acted confident this would get me to the

> > middle of normal range.

> >

> > I'm not sure where to go from here. It's probably time for

> > me to find another Dr. The Endocrinologist I see is really

> > well known and respected in the city I live in but I may

> > need to see someone that specializes in hormones.

> >

> > Anyone have any ideas or comments to share? My ears are

> > open.

> >

> > Sorry this post is so long.

> >

> > Jack

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm 63 and had a recent elevated PSA w Estradiol of 58. My uro told me I need a

prostate biopsy. He also told me high estradiol levels are a good thing and T

was like putting gasoline on a fire.

Hey, if uro's didn't scare the hell out us about prostate cancer and order

biopsies they would lose tons of money.

PSA is currently the gold standard but it has not saved lives. It has caused

thousands of men great anxiety and caused countless biopsies that were/are not

necessary.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

40 yr old - Hypogonadism - Starting to Feel

Hopeless...

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:22 PM

> > I started to post this as a response

> > in another thread but decided it's time to start my own.

> >

> > I was diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism in 1996. I was

> > 27. My T score was 164 in a range of 241-827. I was

> > extremely lethargic, depressed & had no motivation.

> >

> > Since that time I have averaged a T score of 327 using

> > scrotal cremes, patches, injections, gels & pellets.

> > Always independently, I've never used any in combination. I

> > suppose I had resolved it was impossible to bring my T up

> > any higher. I never pressed the issue with my Dr. Not sure

> > why.

> >

> > 6 months ago it dawned on me that there is no reason my T

> > levels should not be at least in the mid levels of normal.

> > To my knowledge I have never experienced what having that

> > level of testosterone feels like. I read the T pharm

> > literature talking about " getting the edge back " or " feel

> > like you felt when you were younger " etc.

> >

> > On 11-23-09 I had, I believe, 10 Testopel pellets

> > implanted.

> > Then I had a Total T test taken on 12-23-09. The results

> > came back today. My score went up a whole 30 points. 415 to

> > 445. Very disappointing. $1000.00 for the pellets, $200.00

> > for the Dr. to put them in. I see him tomorrow to discuss

> > the results. He acted confident this would get me to the

> > middle of normal range.

> >

> > I'm not sure where to go from here. It's probably time for

> > me to find another Dr. The Endocrinologist I see is really

> > well known and respected in the city I live in but I may

> > need to see someone that specializes in hormones.

> >

> > Anyone have any ideas or comments to share? My ears are

> > open.

> >

> > Sorry this post is so long.

> >

> > Jack

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It's to bad you have to self med. but this happens a lot Dr.'s like you said

only know what the drug reps tell them. I don't does by lab levels I go by how

I feel. And yes Testosterone will not mess up your prostate but it will make

your Estrdiol levels go up and this will give one BPH.

But there are Dr.'s out there that are good at this you just need to look for

them.

I don't recommend men self med there is a lot to this and they can end up doing

more damage to them self's.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: vadielunn <trance325@...>

> Subject: Re: 40 yr old - Hypogonadism - Starting to Feel

Hopeless...

>

> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:23 AM

> What most of us do not realize is

> that.  If the pharam world gave out cures they will go

> OUT OF BUSINESS!.  They keep people sick to stay in

> busniess.  And doctors are their sales

> representitives.   Now im not saying all

> doctors I like this but majority are. Plus a doctor will not

> know how you exactly feel.  Only you do. 

>

>

> I saw a well respected Urologist once and two harvard grad

> doctors.. I realized they are a bunch of fruits and fired

> them.  Took matters into my own hands and been better

> without them ever since.  Now I see an endo doctor. She

> is kinda flakey as well, but I use her to get blood work

> done. She has no clue that i self medicate and so far im

> good. 

>

>

> My goal is to get my levels at a consistant level of

> 1100.  and I am 29.  Prostate health is not issue

> for me at this moment but just an fyi.  Testosterone

> does NOT increase issues with the prostate. Already

> proven. 

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: healthplan2010 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: 40 yr old - Hypogonadism

> - Starting to Feel Hopeless...

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:22 PM

> > > I started to post this as a response

> > > in another thread but decided it's time to start

> my own.

> > >

> > > I was diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism in

> 1996. I was

> > > 27. My T score was 164 in a range of 241-827. I

> was

> > > extremely lethargic, depressed & had no

> motivation.

> > >

> > > Since that time I have averaged a T score of 327

> using

> > > scrotal cremes, patches, injections, gels &

> pellets.

> > > Always independently, I've never used any in

> combination. I

> > > suppose I had resolved it was impossible to bring

> my T up

> > > any higher. I never pressed the issue with my Dr.

> Not sure

> > > why.

> > >

> > > 6 months ago it dawned on me that there is no

> reason my T

> > > levels should not be at least in the mid levels

> of normal.

> > > To my knowledge I have never experienced what

> having that

> > > level of testosterone feels like. I read the T

> pharm

> > > literature talking about " getting the edge back "

> or " feel

> > > like you felt when you were younger " etc.

> > >

> > > On 11-23-09 I had, I believe, 10 Testopel

> pellets

> > > implanted.

> > > Then I had a Total T test taken on 12-23-09. The

> results

> > > came back today. My score went up a whole 30

> points. 415 to

> > > 445. Very disappointing. $1000.00 for the

> pellets, $200.00

> > > for the Dr. to put them in. I see him tomorrow to

> discuss

> > > the results. He acted confident this would get me

> to the

> > > middle of normal range.

> > >

> > > I'm not sure where to go from here. It's probably

> time for

> > > me to find another Dr. The Endocrinologist I see

> is really

> > > well known and respected in the city I live in

> but I may

> > > need to see someone that specializes in

> hormones.

> > >

> > > Anyone have any ideas or comments to share? My

> ears are

> > > open.

> > >

> > > Sorry this post is so long.

> > >

> > > Jack

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Uro's are good for Prostate problems but still in the dark about Testosterone

and Estradiol is not good for the Prostate in high levels. They now know it is

the cause of prostate cancer for some kinds of it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: rjamestemple@... <rjamestemple@...>

> Subject: Re: 40 yr old - Hypogonadism - Starting to Feel

Hopeless...

>

> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:17 PM

> I'm 63 and had a recent elevated PSA

> w Estradiol of 58. My uro told me I need a prostate biopsy.

> He also told me high estradiol levels are a good thing and T

> was like putting gasoline on a fire.

> Hey, if uro's didn't scare the hell out us about prostate

> cancer and order biopsies they would lose tons of money.

> PSA is currently the gold standard but it has not saved

> lives. It has caused thousands of men great anxiety and

> caused countless biopsies that were/are not necessary.

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> 40 yr old - Hypogonadism

> - Starting to Feel Hopeless...

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:22 PM

> > > I started to post this as a response

> > > in another thread but decided it's time to start

> my own.

> > >

> > > I was diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism in

> 1996. I was

> > > 27. My T score was 164 in a range of 241-827. I

> was

> > > extremely lethargic, depressed & had no

> motivation.

> > >

> > > Since that time I have averaged a T score of 327

> using

> > > scrotal cremes, patches, injections, gels &

> pellets.

> > > Always independently, I've never used any in

> combination. I

> > > suppose I had resolved it was impossible to bring

> my T up

> > > any higher. I never pressed the issue with my Dr.

> Not sure

> > > why.

> > >

> > > 6 months ago it dawned on me that there is no

> reason my T

> > > levels should not be at least in the mid levels

> of normal.

> > > To my knowledge I have never experienced what

> having that

> > > level of testosterone feels like. I read the T

> pharm

> > > literature talking about " getting the edge back "

> or " feel

> > > like you felt when you were younger " etc.

> > >

> > > On 11-23-09 I had, I believe, 10 Testopel

> pellets

> > > implanted.

> > > Then I had a Total T test taken on 12-23-09. The

> results

> > > came back today. My score went up a whole 30

> points. 415 to

> > > 445. Very disappointing. $1000.00 for the

> pellets, $200.00

> > > for the Dr. to put them in. I see him tomorrow to

> discuss

> > > the results. He acted confident this would get me

> to the

> > > middle of normal range.

> > >

> > > I'm not sure where to go from here. It's probably

> time for

> > > me to find another Dr. The Endocrinologist I see

> is really

> > > well known and respected in the city I live in

> but I may

> > > need to see someone that specializes in

> hormones.

> > >

> > > Anyone have any ideas or comments to share? My

> ears are

> > > open.

> > >

> > > Sorry this post is so long.

> > >

> > > Jack

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Right. Thanks Phil.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

40 yr old - Hypogonadism

> - Starting to Feel Hopeless...

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:22 PM

> > > I started to post this as a response

> > > in another thread but decided it's time to start

> my own.

> > >

> > > I was diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism in

> 1996. I was

> > > 27. My T score was 164 in a range of 241-827. I

> was

> > > extremely lethargic, depressed & had no

> motivation.

> > >

> > > Since that time I have averaged a T score of 327

> using

> > > scrotal cremes, patches, injections, gels &

> pellets.

> > > Always independently, I've never used any in

> combination. I

> > > suppose I had resolved it was impossible to bring

> my T up

> > > any higher. I never pressed the issue with my Dr.

> Not sure

> > > why.

> > >

> > > 6 months ago it dawned on me that there is no

> reason my T

> > > levels should not be at least in the mid levels

> of normal.

> > > To my knowledge I have never experienced what

> having that

> > > level of testosterone feels like. I read the T

> pharm

> > > literature talking about " getting the edge back "

> or " feel

> > > like you felt when you were younger " etc.

> > >

> > > On 11-23-09 I had, I believe, 10 Testopel

> pellets

> > > implanted.

> > > Then I had a Total T test taken on 12-23-09. The

> results

> > > came back today. My score went up a whole 30

> points. 415 to

> > > 445. Very disappointing. $1000.00 for the

> pellets, $200.00

> > > for the Dr. to put them in. I see him tomorrow to

> discuss

> > > the results. He acted confident this would get me

> to the

> > > middle of normal range.

> > >

> > > I'm not sure where to go from here. It's probably

> time for

> > > me to find another Dr. The Endocrinologist I see

> is really

> > > well known and respected in the city I live in

> but I may

> > > need to see someone that specializes in

> hormones.

> > >

> > > Anyone have any ideas or comments to share? My

> ears are

> > > open.

> > >

> > > Sorry this post is so long.

> > >

> > > Jack

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:22:47 -0000, you wrote:

>

>I started to post this as a response in another thread but decided it's time to

start my own.

>

>I was diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism in 1996. I was 27. My T score was

164 in a range of 241-827. I was extremely lethargic, depressed & had no

motivation.

>

>Since that time I have averaged a T score of 327 using scrotal cremes, patches,

injections, gels & pellets. Always independently, I've never used any in

combination. I suppose I had resolved it was impossible to bring my T up any

higher. I never pressed the issue with my Dr. Not sure why.

>

>6 months ago it dawned on me that there is no reason my T levels should not be

at least in the mid levels of normal. To my knowledge I have never experienced

what having that level of testosterone feels like. I read the T pharm literature

talking about " getting the edge back " or " feel like you felt when you were

younger " etc.

>

>On 11-23-09 I had, I believe, 10 Testopel pellets implanted.

>Then I had a Total T test taken on 12-23-09. The results came back today. My

score went up a whole 30 points. 415 to 445. Very disappointing. $1000.00 for

the pellets, $200.00 for the Dr. to put them in. I see him tomorrow to discuss

the results. He acted confident this would get me to the middle of normal range.

>

>I'm not sure where to go from here. It's probably time for me to find another

Dr. The Endocrinologist I see is really well known and respected in the city I

live in but I may need to see someone that specializes in hormones.

>

>Anyone have any ideas or comments to share? My ears are open.

>

>Sorry this post is so long.

Most of us get weekly injections of 100 mg of testosterone, either

cypionate or enanthate. they are about equal in effectiveness. That

should be enough to get your levels above 600. And then you should

feel much healthier.

The Dr.s guidelines may help convince your doctor:

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf