Re: red marks/ stretch marks/ green veins appearing on TRT

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Hi rjohnson8040 and Welcome,

First thing I would try is stopping the DIM do you get night time and morning

wood if not I feel the DIM has taken you to low. And some men get headaches on

it at the dose your taking. When I was on DIM I was getting marks on my body

can't call them lines but more like a rash.

If this does not help switch to doing shots starting at 100 mgs per week and add

in some HCG 250 IU's the 5th and 6th days each after your Test C shot.

Doing this will get your levels up and keep you more leveled. Some men don't do

well on gels or creams it drives up Estradiol and DHT big time.

You should never have to play with your dose this way did your Dr. tell you to

do this. And you need labs I use Quest labs and do the following labs.

Estradiol sensitive Code #4021

Testosterone, Free, Bioavailable & Total LC/MS/MS Code # 14966X.

Also add to this

DHT

DHEA-S

Vit.D, 25-Hydroxy LC/MS/MS Code #17306X.

TSH

Free T4

Free T3

Total T3

Total T4

RT3

Total Iron

Iron Binding Capacity

Iron % Saturation

Ferritin

B-12

And in the morning of your test don't put on the cream take a shower wash off

the old cream and then take your morning dose of HC and go them labs fasting and

check our Cortisol levels.

You can't feel right on the dose your doing of HC for Adrenal Fatigue you need

at least 20 mgs total a day like 5mgs 4x's a day. To support your body this

slows down your Adrenals from working so hard so they can rest and heal.

In the following link it's to Dr. 's site at this site read TRT: A Recipe

for Success in this are labs you should have had done and way to tell why your

Testosterone levels are low. And labs you need done on TRT also read the HCG

Update.

www.allthingsmale.com

In the following link there are links about Adrenals some don't work anymore but

the ones that do are full of info do read the FAQ's this shows you every thing

you need to know about treating this stress dosing how much you need to take and

so on.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=256

To show you doing more HC is safe read the best parts of this book " Safe Uses of

Cortisol " this is the Dr. that started using this the right way Years ago.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses/

Men don't get marks on there body from being on Testosterone I have no idea what

your Dr. is talking about you need to get your Total T levels up into the upper

1/3 of your labs range to feel good and you need to keep your Estradiol levels

down at about 20 pg/ml.

The only thing I can think of is the compounded cream has a filler in it that

dose not agree with your body. And if you have a Thyroid Problem your skin can

become thicker and the creams or gels can't get through your skin. So it's

going to be hard to find out what is wrong you have so much going on at once.

You need to change one thing at a time and give it time for you body to adjust

to it to see how it's working.

You do need to take 20 mgs of HC / day total do this with your Dr. fast and stop

the DIM after you do labs so we can see if your levels of Estradiol are to high

or to low both are bad. And switch to shots doing them your self starting with

100 mgs a week adding in HCG.

http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm

I use a 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle and shoot into my thigh been doing this for

many yrys.

http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm

To be safe about your blood being to thick go to the Red Cross and give blood

don't tell them your on any meds just give the blood. If you do this do your

labs first.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Now I am not a Dr. so run this past your Dr. if you can't get him to look into

this then you need a better Dr. Tell us where you live maybe someone knows a

good Dr. in your area.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: rjohnson8040 <rjohnson8040@...>

> Subject: red marks/ stretch marks/ green veins appearing on TRT

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> Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 3:32 AM

> Alright, I have been on TRT for about

> a year. For the first 9 months I was on a compounded T gel,

> but was getting unreliable levels so I switched compounding

> pharmacies. The new comp. pharmacy was supposed to be one of

> the top in the country.

>

> The first comp. pharmacy had me on 1 ml 2x a day at 9%. I

> switched this same prescription over to the pharmcay.

> Although, they start most of their patients out at 1 ml once

> a day at 10%.

>

> I started on 1 ml 2x a day at 9% for 15 days, but had a

> killer headache so I reduced the dose by 20%. I didn't feel

> like I had low T on this dose but didn't feel good either. I

> kept on lowering it until I was taking only taking about

> half of 1 ml 2x a day. I would feel like I would start to

> get tuned in at this dose, but would get the killer

> headaches 3 or 4 days after starting this dose.

>

> I would lower the dose by 10% or 20% and would have no

> energy whatsoever. I could move from place to place but

> would even have enough energy to even sit up sometimes or do

> basic housework.

>

> I would then raise up the dose back up to half of 1 ml 2x a

> day. And the killer headaches would return a day or two

> after I did this.

>

> When I switched to the new comp. pharmacy, it felt like my

> t levels went up (I haven't confirmed this with labs), and

> my appetite went crazy. So I probably gained some weight not

> sure how much because i didn't have a scale.

>

> I went to the doc for soemthing unrelated and  he said

> I had high blood pressure (I have never had this in my life

> I am only 28). He also said the red marks were stretch

> marks. Before switching comp. pharmacies I had maybe 3 or 4

> stretch marks in my life. The stretch marks were on one of

> my arms a few on my stomach a few on my side and some on my

> upper thighs. All of this right after being on the new comp.

> pharmacy for a few weeks.

>

> The doc said the stretch marks were from a T dose that was

> too high. I seen the Doc when I was on about half of 1 ml

> twice a day. I thought the doc must be right and must have

> been talking about the 1ml 2x a day dose.

>

> However on the lower doses, I still get little red stretch

> marks and now I noticed I am getting some noticeable green

> veins on my chest and on my side of my stomach and 1 or 2 on

> my arms. Any time I am on a dose where I don't feel like

> crap I slowly get more tiny red stretch marks and like I

> said and recently noticeable green veins.

>

> Even if I am even a change from say feeling like crap on

> .45 of 1 ml 2x a day to half of 1 ml 2x a day and starting

> feel ok. I start to get the killer headaches after a few

> days and the small red stretchmarks and the green veins.

>

> This doesn't make any sense how such a small dose change do

> this to me? From how I feel it seems like I am going from

> low T to barely enough T and getting the killer headaches

> and small red stretch marks and noticeable green veins.

>

> Other Info

> I am on 5 mg in the morning and 5 mg at lunch for adrenal

> fatigue. I was on 10 mg in the morning and 5 mg at lunch but

> I lowered this to the current dose about 6 months ago and

> didn't feel any different.

>

> I have been taking DIM for most of the time I have been on

> TRT. Every day for the last 6 months. I went up from 1 DIM a

> day to 2 within the last 3 or 4 months.

>

> Weight has stayed fairly steady for the last month that was

> when I bought a scale.

>

> What could be causing my stretch marks/ green veins/ killer

> headaches/ from increasing T only a small amount?

>

> The only thing I can think may be high red blood cells/

> high hemoglobin/ high hemocrit. I haven't had these 3 things

> measured since before TRT and they were fine then. I can't

> find labs at this time.

>

> Please help, these small red stretch marks/ green veins are

> very depressing. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! I

> am getting a bunch of labs done very soon.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I will cut back on the DIM to see if that helps. But I only seem to get the

headaches when I am on a higher testosterone dose. Yeah, unfortunatley many of

the red marks are definitely stretch marks. When I was on the old gel what I

think was an unreliable Test gel my morning wood would change during the month

even on the same dose for months. I have used some of the good brands of DIM at

that time and once I was on DIM for a week my estrogen levels didn't seem to

change. The only change came with what seems like unreliable T gel. Any other

suggestion besides the iron panel and thyroid panels?

[Guest guest]

The only other thing I can tell you is to go to Dr. 's forum and post about

this there are a few Dr.'s at his forum on TRT that might be able to help you

with this. I never see this happen I have heard of rash's but not this.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: rjohnson8040 <rjohnson8040@...>

> Subject: Re: red marks/ stretch marks/ green veins appearing on

TRT

>

> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 5:02 PM

> I will cut back on the DIM to see if

> that helps. But I only seem to get the headaches when I am

> on a higher testosterone dose. Yeah, unfortunatley many of

> the red marks are definitely stretch marks. When I was on

> the old gel what I think was an unreliable Test gel my

> morning wood would change during the month even on the same

> dose for months. I have used some of the good brands of DIM

> at that time and once I was on DIM for a week my estrogen

> levels didn't seem to change. The only change came with what

> seems like unreliable T gel. Any other suggestion besides

> the iron panel and thyroid panels?

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