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I do my shots every 3 days I got this idea from one of the men that see Dr.

Shippen he did the book " The Testosterone Syndrome " the book is dated but in the

book he was down on shots.

Now he dose them to his self every 3 days subQ he dose .4 mls but he splits the

shots up into two each time he shoots he dose half on one side of his belly fat

then the other half on the other side. There are links about doing this they

say it lasts longer and does not convert into E2 so fast it take the T longer to

get into the blood going through the fat.

My Dr. will not let me do this yet I have tired it and don't like the way it

burns for a time after the shot. I guess I am sensitive to the oil in the Test

C. Try doing this is you feel OK it works great a lot of men do this.

Here is a link where I read about this.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/injecting-testosterone-subcutan\

eously-134237662.html

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> From: surfingmedicman22 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Am I a good candidate for TRT?? Here are my latest

numbers.

>

> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 8:00 PM

> Thanks for the info. I've read you

> can do injections Sub-Cutaneously. Doest this mean we can

> inject avoiding any muscle. The link you showed me was very

> helpfull but I think it showed injecting into the muscle.

>

>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I'm 36 yrs old. I

> had my

> > > numbers checked for

> > > > > > the first

> > > > > > > > time last summer and

> have been

> > > sitting on the

> > > > > > info for quite

> > > > > > > > some time. I had my

> numbers

> > > retested last week to

> > > > > > see if

> > > > > > > > there was any change

> before I

> > > start on TRT.

> > > > > > Interestingly my

> > > > > > > > Total T went up over the

> last year

> > > without any

> > > > > > TRT by 90

> > > > > > > > points. I'm not sure if

> this is a

> > > significant

> > > > > > amount or

> > > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > Anyway here are my

> latest

> > > numbers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > MRI of brain: Clean

> result

> > > > > > > > > CBC: All within

> normal range

> > > > > > > > > Thyroid Panel:

> Normal

> > > > > > > > > Cortisol: 13.8

> > > > > > > > > FSH: 2.3

> > > > > > > > > LH: 3.5

> > > > > > > > > DHEA: 390

> > > > > > > > > Test Total: 296

> > > > > > > > > Test Free: 58.0

> > > > > > > > > Test Bio: 131.9

> > > > > > > > > Test SHBG: 17

> > > > > > > > > Test ALBUMIN: 5.0

> > > > > > > > > DIHYDROTEST: 23

> > > > > > > > > ESTRADIOL: 26

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I don't have any

> major

> > > symptoms sexually.

> > > > > > Everything

> > > > > > > > works fine and my desire

> is still

> > > there. I do get

> > > > > > tired

> > > > > > > > easy, am irritable quite

> often,

> > > have high

> > > > > > cholesterol, and

> > > > > > > > some belly fat I can't

> get rid

> > > of.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do I make a good

> candidate

> > > for TRT. Also, is

> > > > > > there any

> > > > > > > > importance that my Total

> T went up

> > > from 207 to

> > > > > > 296 in one

> > > > > > > > year without any TRT?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for any

> advice!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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I'm coming in on this message late, so you may not need any more suggestions,

but if you are still searching; when I started T injections I searched YouTube

and found a lot of good videos on how to do this.

________________________________

From: surfingmedicman22 <no_reply >

Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 5:00:53 PM

Subject: Re: Am I a good candidate for TRT?? Here are my latest

numbers.

 

Talked to my Dr last Friday and we agreed on weekly injections. He gave me a

200mg Boost of Test Cyp and said I can self inject 100mg once a week in divided

doses if I want. He also gave me 0.5 Arimidex EOD. How do I know other than a

follow up blood test what a good dose of Arimidex should be. If it's too much

will I have any symptoms if my E2 gets too low. Also, the injection they gave me

was in the ass which is still sore. Any videos or links out there that can show

me how to inject with a small needle somewhere other than in the muscle.

Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm 36 yrs old. I had my numbers checked for

> > > the first

> > > > > time last summer and have been sitting on the

> > > info for quite

> > > > > some time. I had my numbers retested last week to

> > > see if

> > > > > there was any change before I start on TRT.

> > > Interestingly my

> > > > > Total T went up over the last year without any

> > > TRT by 90

> > > > > points. I'm not sure if this is a significant

> > > amount or

> > > > > not.

> > > > > > Anyway here are my latest numbers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > MRI of brain: Clean result

> > > > > > CBC: All within normal range

> > > > > > Thyroid Panel: Normal

> > > > > > Cortisol: 13.8

> > > > > > FSH: 2.3

> > > > > > LH: 3.5

> > > > > > DHEA: 390

> > > > > > Test Total: 296

> > > > > > Test Free: 58.0

> > > > > > Test Bio: 131.9

> > > > > > Test SHBG: 17

> > > > > > Test ALBUMIN: 5.0

> > > > > > DIHYDROTEST: 23

> > > > > > ESTRADIOL: 26

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't have any major symptoms sexually.

> > > Everything

> > > > > works fine and my desire is still there. I do get

> > > tired

> > > > > easy, am irritable quite often, have high

> > > cholesterol, and

> > > > > some belly fat I can't get rid of.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do I make a good candidate for TRT. Also, is

> > > there any

> > > > > importance that my Total T went up from 207 to

> > > 296 in one

> > > > > year without any TRT?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for any advice!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Sorry Marc I have no Idea what post you seen with out going back and spending a

lot of time reading back to figure out what post you mean.

I talk to so many people a day I can't keep up with my memory. Please when you

post like this post on top of the old post your talking about.

Your test labs you show I have no idea if you were on TRT when you did this test

is you were your LH and FSH would be lower.

Total T would be higher with Estradiol in the 50's it would be lower or bound up

not working. One needs to keep Testosterone levels up into the upper 1/3 of

there labs range to start then go by how you feel and to keep your Estradiol

levels down to about 20 pg/ml with good Thyroid and Cortisol levels. Good CBC

levels and Iron levels. Then in time your libido will come back up.

Even when I had blockages to my heart my libido was up but after they fixed my

blockages it when very high. So all I am saying is you need a good Dr. doing a

good workup on you to rule any other problems.

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Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Am I a good candidate for TRT?? Here are my latest

numbers.

>

> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 1:49 PM

> I never saw this post when it was

> originally made but in response to your question mine went

> from 209 in December 2009 to 323 on 8/30/10 with no TRT at

> all.

>

> My estradiol is high though, as in 52 and may have been

> even higher before, resulting in the TotalT increase.

>

> Here are my other tests with the dates.

> 05/2010 – FSH/LH/Prolactin

> FSH – 5.8 / Range 1.6 – 8.0 mIU/mL

> LH – 3.7 / Range 1.5 – 9.3 mIU/mL

> Prolactin – 8.0 / Range 2.0 – 18.0 ng/mL

>

> I am still waiting in limbo per se.

>

>

>

>

>

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I'm currently running 200 mg Test Cyp once a week and Arimidex 0.5mg EOD. I've

beeen on this dose for two weeks now. The T shots are giving me some insomnia as

well as a jittery feeling from time to time. Should I lower dose to 100mg a week

or wait till I get next blood work done. Also, when is a good time to get new

bloodwork after starting on shots.

Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm 36 yrs old. I had my numbers checked for

> > > > the first

> > > > > > time last summer and have been sitting on the

> > > > info for quite

> > > > > > some time. I had my numbers retested last week to

> > > > see if

> > > > > > there was any change before I start on TRT.

> > > > Interestingly my

> > > > > > Total T went up over the last year without any

> > > > TRT by 90

> > > > > > points. I'm not sure if this is a significant

> > > > amount or

> > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > Anyway here are my latest numbers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > MRI of brain: Clean result

> > > > > > > CBC: All within normal range

> > > > > > > Thyroid Panel: Normal

> > > > > > > Cortisol: 13.8

> > > > > > > FSH: 2.3

> > > > > > > LH: 3.5

> > > > > > > DHEA: 390

> > > > > > > Test Total: 296

> > > > > > > Test Free: 58.0

> > > > > > > Test Bio: 131.9

> > > > > > > Test SHBG: 17

> > > > > > > Test ALBUMIN: 5.0

> > > > > > > DIHYDROTEST: 23

> > > > > > > ESTRADIOL: 26

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't have any major symptoms sexually.

> > > > Everything

> > > > > > works fine and my desire is still there. I do get

> > > > tired

> > > > > > easy, am irritable quite often, have high

> > > > cholesterol, and

> > > > > > some belly fat I can't get rid of.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do I make a good candidate for TRT. Also, is

> > > > there any

> > > > > > importance that my Total T went up from 207 to

> > > > 296 in one

> > > > > > year without any TRT?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for any advice!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Wow that is a lot of Test C to start on but now that your doing this get labs

first see how high you are then lower them if you to high. Not sleeping at

night might be this big shot is driving up your Estradiol levels check this

also. And your blood CBC see if your blood is getting to thick.

Even if your doing .5 mgs of Arimidex every other day you can still be to high.

On this did you get some strong night time and morning wood if you did and still

have them then I would say your Estradiol levels are good. But if you got this

and lost it your Estradiol is going down to low stop the arimidex until your

wood starts back up. That day go back on it but take less .25 mgs everyother

day.

I would do your labs after 6 weeks don't do the shot go do labs in the morning

and drink a lot of water so your labs are good.

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Phil

> From: surfingmedicman22 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Am I a good candidate for TRT?? Here are my latest

numbers.

>

> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 11:57 AM

> I'm currently running 200 mg Test Cyp

> once a week and Arimidex 0.5mg EOD. I've beeen on this dose

> for two weeks now. The T shots are giving me some insomnia

> as well as a jittery feeling from time to time. Should I

> lower dose to 100mg a week or wait till I get next blood

> work done. Also, when is a good time to get new bloodwork

> after starting on shots.

>

> Thanks

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm 36 yrs old. I had my

> numbers checked for

> > > > > the first

> > > > > > > time last summer and have

> been sitting on the

> > > > > info for quite

> > > > > > > some time. I had my numbers

> retested last week to

> > > > > see if

> > > > > > > there was any change before I

> start on TRT.

> > > > > Interestingly my

> > > > > > > Total T went up over the last

> year without any

> > > > > TRT by 90

> > > > > > > points. I'm not sure if this

> is a significant

> > > > > amount or

> > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > Anyway here are my

> latest numbers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > MRI of brain: Clean

> result

> > > > > > > > CBC: All within normal

> range

> > > > > > > > Thyroid Panel: Normal

> > > > > > > > Cortisol: 13.8

> > > > > > > > FSH: 2.3

> > > > > > > > LH: 3.5

> > > > > > > > DHEA: 390

> > > > > > > > Test Total: 296

> > > > > > > > Test Free: 58.0

> > > > > > > > Test Bio: 131.9

> > > > > > > > Test SHBG: 17

> > > > > > > > Test ALBUMIN: 5.0

> > > > > > > > DIHYDROTEST: 23

> > > > > > > > ESTRADIOL: 26

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't have any major

> symptoms sexually.

> > > > > Everything

> > > > > > > works fine and my desire is

> still there. I do get

> > > > > tired

> > > > > > > easy, am irritable quite

> often, have high

> > > > > cholesterol, and

> > > > > > > some belly fat I can't get

> rid of.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do I make a good

> candidate for TRT. Also, is

> > > > > there any

> > > > > > > importance that my Total T

> went up from 207 to

> > > > > 296 in one

> > > > > > > year without any TRT?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for any

> advice!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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My evening and morning erections are good but I've had this annoying headache

since starting on shots. Current protocol; 100 mg test cyp once a week. 0.5mg

Arimidex EOD, 50mg DHEA, Zinc, Vit D, CoQ10. What could be causing the

headaches? Could my E2 be too low with current protocol? Will headaches

evevntually go away? When should I get next round of bloodwork?

Thanks!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I'm 36 yrs old. I had my

> > numbers checked for

> > > > > > the first

> > > > > > > > time last summer and have

> > been sitting on the

> > > > > > info for quite

> > > > > > > > some time. I had my numbers

> > retested last week to

> > > > > > see if

> > > > > > > > there was any change before I

> > start on TRT.

> > > > > > Interestingly my

> > > > > > > > Total T went up over the last

> > year without any

> > > > > > TRT by 90

> > > > > > > > points. I'm not sure if this

> > is a significant

> > > > > > amount or

> > > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > Anyway here are my

> > latest numbers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > MRI of brain: Clean

> > result

> > > > > > > > > CBC: All within normal

> > range

> > > > > > > > > Thyroid Panel: Normal

> > > > > > > > > Cortisol: 13.8

> > > > > > > > > FSH: 2.3

> > > > > > > > > LH: 3.5

> > > > > > > > > DHEA: 390

> > > > > > > > > Test Total: 296

> > > > > > > > > Test Free: 58.0

> > > > > > > > > Test Bio: 131.9

> > > > > > > > > Test SHBG: 17

> > > > > > > > > Test ALBUMIN: 5.0

> > > > > > > > > DIHYDROTEST: 23

> > > > > > > > > ESTRADIOL: 26

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I don't have any major

> > symptoms sexually.

> > > > > > Everything

> > > > > > > > works fine and my desire is

> > still there. I do get

> > > > > > tired

> > > > > > > > easy, am irritable quite

> > often, have high

> > > > > > cholesterol, and

> > > > > > > > some belly fat I can't get

> > rid of.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do I make a good

> > candidate for TRT. Also, is

> > > > > > there any

> > > > > > > > importance that my Total T

> > went up from 207 to

> > > > > > 296 in one

> > > > > > > > year without any TRT?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for any

> > advice!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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I am not sure never had a headache from low E2 levels if your having good wood

your levels might be good. Do you drink enough water every day do this in the

morning put a 1/4 to a 1/2 tsp of some good Sea Salt into a glass of water and

down it. If this helps your dehydrated now if you drink a lot of water and

crave salt test your Cortisol levels doing 4x's in a day Saliva test a lot of

men end up with this problem from having the stress of low Testosterone also

check your Thyroid levels.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/recommended-labwork/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

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Phil

> From: surfingmedicman22 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Am I a good candidate for TRT?? Here are my latest

numbers.

>

> Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 12:01 PM

>

> My evening and morning erections are good but I've had this

> annoying headache since starting on shots. Current protocol;

> 100 mg test cyp once a week. 0.5mg Arimidex EOD, 50mg DHEA,

> Zinc, Vit D, CoQ10. What could be causing the headaches?

> Could my E2 be too low with current protocol? Will headaches

> evevntually go away? When should I get next round of

> bloodwork?

>

> Thanks!

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I'm 36 yrs

> old. I had my

> > > numbers checked for

> > > > > > > the first

> > > > > > > > > time last summer

> and have

> > > been sitting on the

> > > > > > > info for quite

> > > > > > > > > some time. I had my

> numbers

> > > retested last week to

> > > > > > > see if

> > > > > > > > > there was any

> change before I

> > > start on TRT.

> > > > > > > Interestingly my

> > > > > > > > > Total T went up

> over the last

> > > year without any

> > > > > > > TRT by 90

> > > > > > > > > points. I'm not

> sure if this

> > > is a significant

> > > > > > > amount or

> > > > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > Anyway here

> are my

> > > latest numbers.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > MRI of brain:

> Clean

> > > result

> > > > > > > > > > CBC: All

> within normal

> > > range

> > > > > > > > > > Thyroid Panel:

> Normal

> > > > > > > > > > Cortisol:

> 13.8

> > > > > > > > > > FSH: 2.3

> > > > > > > > > > LH: 3.5

> > > > > > > > > > DHEA: 390

> > > > > > > > > > Test Total:

> 296

> > > > > > > > > > Test Free:

> 58.0

> > > > > > > > > > Test Bio:

> 131.9

> > > > > > > > > > Test SHBG: 17

> > > > > > > > > > Test ALBUMIN:

> 5.0

> > > > > > > > > > DIHYDROTEST:

> 23

> > > > > > > > > > ESTRADIOL: 26

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I don't have

> any major

> > > symptoms sexually.

> > > > > > > Everything

> > > > > > > > > works fine and my

> desire is

> > > still there. I do get

> > > > > > > tired

> > > > > > > > > easy, am irritable

> quite

> > > often, have high

> > > > > > > cholesterol, and

> > > > > > > > > some belly fat I

> can't get

> > > rid of.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do I make a

> good

> > > candidate for TRT. Also, is

> > > > > > > there any

> > > > > > > > > importance that my

> Total T

> > > went up from 207 to

> > > > > > > 296 in one

> > > > > > > > > year without any

> TRT?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for

> any

> > > advice!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >     -fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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It's hard to interpret some of these results without knowing the ranges

associated with them--especially the free and bioavailable T numbers.

That said, your total T does look low. However, free T or bioactive T are

really the more important numbers, and we don't really know where you stand

there without more context.

I am not surprised that your total T has fluctuated. Mine was 326 when I had it

tested in September and went up to 505 a couple of weeks ago. I think changes

are normal, especially for younger guys.

If sex is still good and erections are still hard, chances are you're producing

enough T--even though the numbers look low. Your LH is low, which is good

because it means your testicles are still working. Your SHBG is not high, so a

lot of the T you're producing is probably free. You're also very young.

If I were you, I would try losing the extra weight, eating a healthy diet, and

maybe doing some resistance training. Do that for 6 months and see how your

numbers change, and more importantly whether you feel better.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

>

> I'm 36 yrs old. I had my numbers checked for the first time last summer and

have been sitting on the info for quite some time. I had my numbers retested

last week to see if there was any change before I start on TRT. Interestingly my

Total T went up over the last year without any TRT by 90 points. I'm not sure if

this is a significant amount or not.

> Anyway here are my latest numbers.

>

> MRI of brain: Clean result

> CBC: All within normal range

> Thyroid Panel: Normal

> Cortisol: 13.8

> FSH: 2.3

> LH: 3.5

> DHEA: 390

> Test Total: 296

> Test Free: 58.0

> Test Bio: 131.9

> Test SHBG: 17

> Test ALBUMIN: 5.0

> DIHYDROTEST: 23

> ESTRADIOL: 26

>

> I don't have any major symptoms sexually. Everything works fine and my desire

is still there. I do get tired easy, am irritable quite often, have high

cholesterol, and some belly fat I can't get rid of.

>

> Do I make a good candidate for TRT. Also, is there any importance that my

Total T went up from 207 to 296 in one year without any TRT?

>

>

> Thank you for any advice!

>

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