Re: PQQ for Statin Drug Damage.

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

I was one chap who sent you information about PQQ when you were commenting on

the side effects statins produced in you, including pain, general fatigue and

reduced exercise tolerance (you mentioned water aerobics rather than other types

of exercise to prevent aggravating your pain). I recall you sent me a list of

your medications and supplements, which looks extensive ( & expensive!) I saw

CoQ10 on your list but added that PQQ might help actually generate new

mitochondria so you can regain some energy.

~Xian

>

> Some time ago someone posted to me this PQQ might help me with my muscle

damage I know I saved it but can't find it. PQQ through Life is about $18.00

for a 15 day supply. Now I just got a Enews letter from spacedoc.com about the

use if PQQ.

>

> If the person that sent me a post about using this sees this can you get back

to me.

>

> And Hardasnails if you have time can you read this I am paying a lot of money

now on supplements for this problem. Do you think this PQQ can help.

> http://www.spacedoc.net/pqq_statin_damage

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Xian,

I was not sure it was you but still can't find the post I saved must have lost

it. I can't even do water exercising and I think I know way.

W at spacedoc.com forums sent me this post about a subject: Dr.

Brownstein's book hear is what she said.

====================================================

Well, I shot right through the chapter on statins. Nothing I didn't know, but it

is a good summary of some of the information on statins. What I was looking for

was something to corroborate a statement he apparently made in the course my

friend went to. My friend is a medical doc and a chiropractor and is the person

who has been my teacher in craniosacral therapy. She called me from the course

and said, you are not going to believe this, but Dr. Brownstein says that the

half life of statins is ______. I believe she said something like years... I

posted something on this forum at the time, excited that there might be a reason

why some of us continue to have new symptoms like we were still on statins, when

we, in fact, had stopped them months to years before. I Googled around and could

not find anything else like that, so I ordered his book. I will read with a fine

tooth comb, but on first, hasty, pass, I am not finding anything. (Darn!) I have

put in a

call to my colleague, and she will be calling back...I want to get to the

bottom of what he said!

----------------------------------------------------

I feel this is true even when we stop statin drugs the damage keeps going on.

And this is way when I exercise or try even walking in deep water I have a bad

set back. Putting anykind of load on my muscles does more damage. So I am just

taking it easy. I went to my Dr.'s for labs yesterday and had to walk with the

walker a lot.

Today I am suffering from the walking. I think I am going to get some PQQ and

give it a try see if it helps. I am on Pain meds now 4 months now I need to get

to a point where I don't need them. Trying to exercise I will never get off

them.

Dr. Brownstein is in my state Mi. and only 20 miles away. Hardasnails knows and

talks to him. He is trying to find out about what W posted to me about

his saying statin drug damage keeps doing it's damage long after you stop taking

it.

http://www.spacedoc.net/board/viewtopic.php?t=1816 & start=75

Thanks

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@...>

> Subject: Re: PQQ for Statin Drug Damage.

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:24 PM

> Hi Phil,

>

> I was one chap who sent you information about PQQ when you

> were commenting on the side effects statins produced in you,

> including pain, general fatigue and reduced exercise

> tolerance (you mentioned water aerobics rather than other

> types of exercise to prevent aggravating your pain).  I

> recall you sent me a list of your medications and

> supplements, which looks extensive ( & expensive!) 

> I saw CoQ10 on your list but added that PQQ might help

> actually generate new mitochondria so you can regain some

> energy.

>

> ~Xian

>

>

> >

> > Some time ago someone posted to me this PQQ might help

> me with my muscle damage I know I saved it but can't find

> it.  PQQ through Life is about $18.00 for a 15 day

> supply.  Now I just got a Enews letter from

> spacedoc.com about the use if PQQ.

> >

> > If the person that sent me a post about using this

> sees this can you get back to me.

> >

> > And Hardasnails if you have time can you read this I

> am paying a lot of money now on supplements for this

> problem.  Do you think this PQQ can help.

> > http://www.spacedoc.net/pqq_statin_damage

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Too bad there aren't any reviews for it like on the vitamin sites. Sometimes

those people actually know what they're talking about.

Have you ever thought of creatine, Phil? I know most of the research is on

elevated creatine kinase levels and statins, but there's a new study on creatine

getting depleted with statins:

http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=525616

I wonder who was behind this study? It could be that they are trying to find

another way to justify using and staying on statins or something. But still,

they could be on to something.

I know a lot of chaps think creatine supplements and muscle gain or something

(which may be more water bloat than anything)... and then they take way too much

and/or don't drink enough water and tear a muscle, which causes a lot of

negative feedback on creatine supplements. But anyway, it's just an idea.

I occasionally take a little (like a couple grams at the most) and notice some

sort of synergy with the coq10 I also take (like that each one made the other

work stronger). I got the idea to try some with my repeatedly below range

creatiNINE levels. Figured kidneys weren't an issue.

I did sprain my neck and separately mess up an abdominal muscle for two days

when I'd taken like creatine the day before. I was only taking a fraction of the

creatine some of these guys take that sprain a muscle while exercising (which I

wasn't even doing). But I realised I was dehydrated and was extra thirsty for

many hours later when I'd added the creatine and that probably created some

imbalance in my body that caused me to wake up with these two muscle pains that

were pretty annoying. I think enough water reduces that potential problem as I

haven't had anything since I've made myself drink extra water.

-Nigel

>

> Some time ago someone posted to me this PQQ might help me with my muscle

damage I know I saved it but can't find it. PQQ through Life is about $18.00

for a 15 day supply. Now I just got a Enews letter from spacedoc.com about the

use if PQQ.

>

> If the person that sent me a post about using this sees this can you get back

to me.

>

> And Hardasnails if you have time can you read this I am paying a lot of money

now on supplements for this problem. Do you think this PQQ can help.

> http://www.spacedoc.net/pqq_statin_damage

>

[Guest guest]

Too bad there aren't any reviews for PQQ on those vitamin sites. Sometimes those

reviewers actually know what they're talking about.

Have you ever thought of creatine, Phil? I know most of the research is on

elevated creatine kinase levels and statins, but there's a new study on creatine

getting depleted with statins:

http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=525616

I wonder who was behind this study? It could be that they are trying to find

another way to justify using and staying on statins. But still, they could be on

to something.

I know a lot of chaps think creatine supplements and muscle gain or something

(which may be more water bloat than anything)... and then they take way too much

and/or don't drink enough water and tear a muscle, which causes a lot of

negative reviews on creatine supplements. But anyway, it's just an idea.

I occasionally take a little (like a couple grams at the most) and notice some

sort of synergy with the coq10 I also take. It's like each one made the other

work stronger and this is probable as coQ10 helps you make more ATP and creatine

helps you to reuse ATP.

I did sprain my neck and separately mess up an abdominal muscle for two days

when I'd taken creatine the day before. Both times I just woke up with the pain.

I was only taking a fraction of the creatine some guys take that sprain a muscle

while exercising (which I wasn't even doing). But I realised I was dehydrated

and felt extra thirsty hours after taking it and that probably created some

imbalance in my body. I think enough water reduces that potential problem as I

haven't had anything since I've made myself drink extra water.

-Nigel

[Guest guest]

There is a lot of stuff on PQQ just found some today here is what my Heart Dr.

has me taking for the Statin Drug damage.

• Ubiquinol Capliques Featuring Kaneka's Qh (400mgs) 3x’s/day mercola.com.

• Lecithin 1200 mgs 3 caps 2x’s/day.

• Acetyl-L Carnitine 500 mg 3x’s/day.

• Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg/day.

• Krill Oil capliques 1,000 mgs. 2 with food morning mercola.com.

I got this Enews letter the firs of this yr. it linked me to this link.

http://www.spacedoc.net/pqq_statin_damage

This is a link to Life.

http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0 & page_id=49 & query=PQQ & hiwor\

d=PQQ%20

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: nachohypo <nachonigel@...>

> Subject: Re: PQQ for Statin Drug Damage.

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 1:07 PM

> Too bad there aren't any reviews for

> it like on the vitamin sites. Sometimes those people

> actually know what they're talking about.

>

> Have you ever thought of creatine, Phil? I know most of the

> research is on elevated creatine kinase levels and statins,

> but there's a new study on creatine getting depleted with

> statins:

>

> http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=525616

>

> I wonder who was behind this study? It could be that they

> are trying to find another way to justify using and staying

> on statins or something. But still, they could be on to

> something.

>

> I know a lot of chaps think creatine supplements and muscle

> gain or something (which may be more water bloat than

> anything)... and then they take way too much and/or don't

> drink enough water and tear a muscle, which causes a lot of

> negative feedback on creatine supplements. But anyway, it's

> just an idea.

>

> I occasionally take a little (like a couple grams at the

> most) and notice some sort of synergy with the coq10 I also

> take (like that each one made the other work stronger). I

> got the idea to try some with my repeatedly below range

> creatiNINE levels. Figured kidneys weren't an issue.

>

> I did sprain my neck and separately mess up an abdominal

> muscle for two days when I'd taken like creatine the day

> before. I was only taking a fraction of the creatine some of

> these guys take that sprain a muscle while exercising (which

> I wasn't even doing). But I realised I was dehydrated and

> was extra thirsty for many hours later when I'd added the

> creatine and that probably created some imbalance in my body

> that caused me to wake up with these two muscle pains that

> were pretty annoying. I think enough water reduces that

> potential problem as I haven't had anything since I've made

> myself drink extra water.

>

> -Nigel

>

>

> >

> > Some time ago someone posted to me this PQQ might help

> me with my muscle damage I know I saved it but can't find

> it.  PQQ through Life is about $18.00 for a 15 day

> supply.  Now I just got a Enews letter from

> spacedoc.com about the use if PQQ.

> >

> > If the person that sent me a post about using this

> sees this can you get back to me.

> >

> > And Hardasnails if you have time can you read this I

> am paying a lot of money now on supplements for this

> problem.  Do you think this PQQ can help.

> > http://www.spacedoc.net/pqq_statin_damage

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0 & page_id=49 & query=pqq & hiwor\

d=pqq%20

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/ss2010_Rejuvenate-Your-Cells-Growing-New-Mit\

ochondria_01.htm

Hope these halp.....

>

> Too bad there aren't any reviews for PQQ on those vitamin sites. Sometimes

those reviewers actually know what they're talking about.

>

> Have you ever thought of creatine, Phil? I know most of the research is on

elevated creatine kinase levels and statins, but there's a new study on creatine

getting depleted with statins:

>

> http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=525616

>

> I wonder who was behind this study? It could be that they are trying to find

another way to justify using and staying on statins. But still, they could be on

to something.

>

> I know a lot of chaps think creatine supplements and muscle gain or something

(which may be more water bloat than anything)... and then they take way too much

and/or don't drink enough water and tear a muscle, which causes a lot of

negative reviews on creatine supplements. But anyway, it's just an idea.

>

> I occasionally take a little (like a couple grams at the most) and notice some

sort of synergy with the coq10 I also take. It's like each one made the other

work stronger and this is probable as coQ10 helps you make more ATP and creatine

helps you to reuse ATP.

>

> I did sprain my neck and separately mess up an abdominal muscle for two days

when I'd taken creatine the day before. Both times I just woke up with the pain.

I was only taking a fraction of the creatine some guys take that sprain a muscle

while exercising (which I wasn't even doing). But I realised I was dehydrated

and felt extra thirsty hours after taking it and that probably created some

imbalance in my body. I think enough water reduces that potential problem as I

haven't had anything since I've made myself drink extra water.

>

> -Nigel

>

[Guest guest]

ihor n Thanks,

Yes I have read this all ready now that it's out eveyone is out of PQQ.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ihor n <ihor43us@...>

> Subject: Re: PQQ for Statin Drug Damage.

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 7:57 PM

>

http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0 & page_id=49 & query=pqq & hiwor\

d=pqq%20

>

>

>

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/ss2010_Rejuvenate-Your-Cells-Growing-New-Mit\

ochondria_01.htm

>

> Hope these halp.....

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Too bad there aren't any reviews for PQQ on those

> vitamin sites. Sometimes those reviewers actually know what

> they're talking about.

> >

> > Have you ever thought of creatine, Phil? I know most

> of the research is on elevated creatine kinase levels and

> statins, but there's a new study on creatine getting

> depleted with statins:

> >

> > http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=525616

> >

> > I wonder who was behind this study? It could be that

> they are trying to find another way to justify using and

> staying on statins. But still, they could be on to

> something.

> >

> > I know a lot of chaps think creatine supplements and

> muscle gain or something (which may be more water bloat than

> anything)... and then they take way too much and/or don't

> drink enough water and tear a muscle, which causes a lot of

> negative reviews on creatine supplements. But anyway, it's

> just an idea.

> >

> > I occasionally take a little (like a couple grams at

> the most) and notice some sort of synergy with the coq10 I

> also take. It's like each one made the other work stronger

> and this is probable as coQ10 helps you make more ATP and

> creatine helps you to reuse ATP.

> >

> > I did sprain my neck and separately mess up an

> abdominal muscle for two days when I'd taken creatine the

> day before. Both times I just woke up with the pain. I was

> only taking a fraction of the creatine some guys take that

> sprain a muscle while exercising (which I wasn't even

> doing). But I realised I was dehydrated and felt extra

> thirsty hours after taking it and that probably created some

> imbalance in my body. I think enough water reduces that

> potential problem as I haven't had anything since I've made

> myself drink extra water.

> >

> > -Nigel

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Life Extension Org.. has lots. Just ordered a bunch. $14.85 for 30 @10mg when

you order 4 bottles.

> > >

> > > Too bad there aren't any reviews for PQQ on those

> > vitamin sites. Sometimes those reviewers actually know what

> > they're talking about.

> > >

> > > Have you ever thought of creatine, Phil? I know most

> > of the research is on elevated creatine kinase levels and

> > statins, but there's a new study on creatine getting

> > depleted with statins:

> > >

> > > http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=525616

> > >

> > > I wonder who was behind this study? It could be that

> > they are trying to find another way to justify using and

> > staying on statins. But still, they could be on to

> > something.

> > >

> > > I know a lot of chaps think creatine supplements and

> > muscle gain or something (which may be more water bloat than

> > anything)... and then they take way too much and/or don't

> > drink enough water and tear a muscle, which causes a lot of

> > negative reviews on creatine supplements. But anyway, it's

> > just an idea.

> > >

> > > I occasionally take a little (like a couple grams at

> > the most) and notice some sort of synergy with the coq10 I

> > also take. It's like each one made the other work stronger

> > and this is probable as coQ10 helps you make more ATP and

> > creatine helps you to reuse ATP.

> > >

> > > I did sprain my neck and separately mess up an

> > abdominal muscle for two days when I'd taken creatine the

> > day before. Both times I just woke up with the pain. I was

> > only taking a fraction of the creatine some guys take that

> > sprain a muscle while exercising (which I wasn't even

> > doing). But I realised I was dehydrated and felt extra

> > thirsty hours after taking it and that probably created some

> > imbalance in my body. I think enough water reduces that

> > potential problem as I haven't had anything since I've made

> > myself drink extra water.

> > >

> > > -Nigel

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I seen this but your a member right.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ihor n <ihor43us@...>

> Subject: Re: PQQ for Statin Drug Damage.

>

> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:50 PM

> Life Extension Org.. has lots. Just

> ordered a bunch. $14.85 for 30 @10mg when you order 4

> bottles.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Too bad there aren't any reviews for PQQ on

> those

> > > vitamin sites. Sometimes those reviewers actually

> know what

> > > they're talking about.

> > > >

> > > > Have you ever thought of creatine, Phil? I

> know most

> > > of the research is on elevated creatine kinase

> levels and

> > > statins, but there's a new study on creatine

> getting

> > > depleted with statins:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=525616

> > > >

> > > > I wonder who was behind this study? It could

> be that

> > > they are trying to find another way to justify

> using and

> > > staying on statins. But still, they could be on

> to

> > > something.

> > > >

> > > > I know a lot of chaps think creatine

> supplements and

> > > muscle gain or something (which may be more water

> bloat than

> > > anything)... and then they take way too much

> and/or don't

> > > drink enough water and tear a muscle, which

> causes a lot of

> > > negative reviews on creatine supplements. But

> anyway, it's

> > > just an idea.

> > > >

> > > > I occasionally take a little (like a couple

> grams at

> > > the most) and notice some sort of synergy with

> the coq10 I

> > > also take. It's like each one made the other work

> stronger

> > > and this is probable as coQ10 helps you make more

> ATP and

> > > creatine helps you to reuse ATP.

> > > >

> > > > I did sprain my neck and separately mess up

> an

> > > abdominal muscle for two days when I'd taken

> creatine the

> > > day before. Both times I just woke up with the

> pain. I was

> > > only taking a fraction of the creatine some guys

> take that

> > > sprain a muscle while exercising (which I wasn't

> even

> > > doing). But I realised I was dehydrated and felt

> extra

> > > thirsty hours after taking it and that probably

> created some

> > > imbalance in my body. I think enough water

> reduces that

> > > potential problem as I haven't had anything since

> I've made

> > > myself drink extra water.

> > > >

> > > > -Nigel

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Phil, if you are going to try creatine, I would encourage you to purchase

creatine in the ester form. It's called creatine ethyl ester and it is FAR

superior to creatine monohydrate. No stomach issues and it goes to work very

quickly. My strength in the gym is significantly greater when using this than

without. I buy mine (Axis Labs) from bodybuilding.com. They have a number of

brands so try the one that makes the most sense to you. Be sure to read the

ingredients list and make sure that you are getting pure creatine and not

something with other additives. I have heard of cases where docs prescribe a

creatine patch for people with chronic weakness or fatique but based on my

results this should work as well. Seriously, the stuff just flat works.

Thanks. W

> > > >

> > > > Too bad there aren't any reviews for PQQ on those

> > > vitamin sites. Sometimes those reviewers actually know what

> > > they're talking about.

> > > >

> > > > Have you ever thought of creatine, Phil? I know most

> > > of the research is on elevated creatine kinase levels and

> > > statins, but there's a new study on creatine getting

> > > depleted with statins:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=525616

> > > >

> > > > I wonder who was behind this study? It could be that

> > > they are trying to find another way to justify using and

> > > staying on statins. But still, they could be on to

> > > something.

> > > >

> > > > I know a lot of chaps think creatine supplements and

> > > muscle gain or something (which may be more water bloat than

> > > anything)... and then they take way too much and/or don't

> > > drink enough water and tear a muscle, which causes a lot of

> > > negative reviews on creatine supplements. But anyway, it's

> > > just an idea.

> > > >

> > > > I occasionally take a little (like a couple grams at

> > > the most) and notice some sort of synergy with the coq10 I

> > > also take. It's like each one made the other work stronger

> > > and this is probable as coQ10 helps you make more ATP and

> > > creatine helps you to reuse ATP.

> > > >

> > > > I did sprain my neck and separately mess up an

> > > abdominal muscle for two days when I'd taken creatine the

> > > day before. Both times I just woke up with the pain. I was

> > > only taking a fraction of the creatine some guys take that

> > > sprain a muscle while exercising (which I wasn't even

> > > doing). But I realised I was dehydrated and felt extra

> > > thirsty hours after taking it and that probably created some

> > > imbalance in my body. I think enough water reduces that

> > > potential problem as I haven't had anything since I've made

> > > myself drink extra water.

> > > >

> > > > -Nigel

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Yes it will not give you the water rention as monohydrate. I do 6 grams a day of

it and love the effects.

> > > > >

> > > > > Too bad there aren't any reviews for PQQ on those

> > > > vitamin sites. Sometimes those reviewers actually know what

> > > > they're talking about.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you ever thought of creatine, Phil? I know most

> > > > of the research is on elevated creatine kinase levels and

> > > > statins, but there's a new study on creatine getting

> > > > depleted with statins:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=525616

> > > > >

> > > > > I wonder who was behind this study? It could be that

> > > > they are trying to find another way to justify using and

> > > > staying on statins. But still, they could be on to

> > > > something.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know a lot of chaps think creatine supplements and

> > > > muscle gain or something (which may be more water bloat than

> > > > anything)... and then they take way too much and/or don't

> > > > drink enough water and tear a muscle, which causes a lot of

> > > > negative reviews on creatine supplements. But anyway, it's

> > > > just an idea.

> > > > >

> > > > > I occasionally take a little (like a couple grams at

> > > > the most) and notice some sort of synergy with the coq10 I

> > > > also take. It's like each one made the other work stronger

> > > > and this is probable as coQ10 helps you make more ATP and

> > > > creatine helps you to reuse ATP.

> > > > >

> > > > > I did sprain my neck and separately mess up an

> > > > abdominal muscle for two days when I'd taken creatine the

> > > > day before. Both times I just woke up with the pain. I was

> > > > only taking a fraction of the creatine some guys take that

> > > > sprain a muscle while exercising (which I wasn't even

> > > > doing). But I realised I was dehydrated and felt extra

> > > > thirsty hours after taking it and that probably created some

> > > > imbalance in my body. I think enough water reduces that

> > > > potential problem as I haven't had anything since I've made

> > > > myself drink extra water.

> > > > >

> > > > > -Nigel

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil and all, the major issue with statins has been loss of Coenzyme Q10,

CoQ10. The statins work best, and at lowest dose, when you take them at night.

I usually take the CoQ10 in the morning or twice a day.

Tom

-

[Guest guest]

Here is were I am going to get my PQQ at the price is much better $18.00 /

bottle but it's only 30 tabs and I need two / day.

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-PQQ-Caps-with-Bio-PQQ-10-mg-30-Veggie-Caps/2\

5980?at=0

Life if not a member is a lot more $21.60.

Here is what I am on as per my Dr. and spacedoc.com

====================================================

Supplements

• TMG 750mg 1pm and 11pm 2 pills a day.

• Solary Super Bio C 2 x’s/day 1000 mgs. Total.

• l-Arginine and l-Orthinine 100 Capsules, 750 mg, Twinlab 1 at bedtime.

• NOW brand ZMA 800mgs 3 at bedtime.

• Copper 2mgs 1 at noon.

• Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients 3/day.

• Biotics Bio-D-Mulsion Forte Vit. D 2000 IU's per drop I am doing 10 drops a

day.

• Iodoral Iodine 1 tab / day 12.5 mgs.

• I went with NOW brand for the following supplements do to a high levels on

a Homocysteine Cardiovascular and below normal level of Folate RBC labs.

• NAC N-Acetyl Cysteine, Selenium, Molybdenum - 600 mg.

• B-12 (Brain) Methylcobalamin - 5000 mcg lozenges. 3x’s/week.

• Coenzyme B Complex.

• P-5-P (Coenzyme B6) 50 mg.

• I am taking 800 mcg. Folacal for low Folate RBC.

• BioCitrate Selenium - 200 mcg 1x’s / day morning.

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The following is what I take for the Statin Drug damage.

• Ubiquinol Capliques Featuring Kaneka's Qh (400mgs) 3x’s/day mercola.com.

• Lecithin 1200 mgs 3 caps 2x’s/day.

• Acetyl-L Carnitine 500 mg 3x’s/day.

• Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg/day.

• Krill Oil capliques 1,000 mgs. 2 with food morning mercola.com.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wjj1234 <wjj1234@...>

> Subject: Re: PQQ for Statin Drug Damage.

>

> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:08 PM

> Phil, if you are going to try

> creatine, I would encourage you to purchase creatine in the

> ester form.  It's called creatine ethyl ester and it is

> FAR superior to creatine monohydrate.  No stomach

> issues and it goes to work very quickly.  My strength

> in the gym is significantly greater when using this than

> without.  I buy mine (Axis Labs) from

> bodybuilding.com.  They have a number of brands so try

> the one that makes the most sense to you.  Be sure to

> read the ingredients list and make sure that you are getting

> pure creatine and not something with other additives. 

> I have heard of cases where docs prescribe a creatine patch

> for people with chronic weakness or fatique but based on my

> results this should work as well.  Seriously, the stuff

> just flat works.  Thanks. W

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Too bad there aren't any reviews for

> PQQ on those

> > > > vitamin sites. Sometimes those reviewers

> actually know what

> > > > they're talking about.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you ever thought of creatine,

> Phil? I know most

> > > > of the research is on elevated creatine

> kinase levels and

> > > > statins, but there's a new study on creatine

> getting

> > > > depleted with statins:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=525616

> > > > >

> > > > > I wonder who was behind this study? It

> could be that

> > > > they are trying to find another way to

> justify using and

> > > > staying on statins. But still, they could be

> on to

> > > > something.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know a lot of chaps think creatine

> supplements and

> > > > muscle gain or something (which may be more

> water bloat than

> > > > anything)... and then they take way too much

> and/or don't

> > > > drink enough water and tear a muscle, which

> causes a lot of

> > > > negative reviews on creatine supplements.

> But anyway, it's

> > > > just an idea.

> > > > >

> > > > > I occasionally take a little (like a

> couple grams at

> > > > the most) and notice some sort of synergy

> with the coq10 I

> > > > also take. It's like each one made the other

> work stronger

> > > > and this is probable as coQ10 helps you make

> more ATP and

> > > > creatine helps you to reuse ATP.

> > > > >

> > > > > I did sprain my neck and separately

> mess up an

> > > > abdominal muscle for two days when I'd taken

> creatine the

> > > > day before. Both times I just woke up with

> the pain. I was

> > > > only taking a fraction of the creatine some

> guys take that

> > > > sprain a muscle while exercising (which I

> wasn't even

> > > > doing). But I realised I was dehydrated and

> felt extra

> > > > thirsty hours after taking it and that

> probably created some

> > > > imbalance in my body. I think enough water

> reduces that

> > > > potential problem as I haven't had anything

> since I've made

> > > > myself drink extra water.

> > > > >

> > > > > -Nigel

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Tom,

If you over 30 you need this type of CoQ10.

Ubiquinol Capliques Featuring Kaneka's Qh I buy mine from mercola.com.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: adamantine <indianawannabe04@...>

> Subject: Re: PQQ for Statin Drug Damage.

>

> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:13 AM

>

> Hi Phil and all, the major issue with statins has been loss

> of Coenzyme Q10, CoQ10.  The statins work best, and at

> lowest dose, when you take them at night.  I usually

> take the CoQ10 in the morning or twice a day.

> Tom

> -

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, if you don't mind me asking, how was the " I need two/day " determined? Is

there a blood test?

TIA

Ihor

>

> Here is were I am going to get my PQQ at the price is much better $18.00 /

bottle but it's only 30 tabs and I need two / day.

>

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-PQQ-Caps-with-Bio-PQQ-10-mg-30-Veggie-Caps/2\

5980?at=0

>

> Life if not a member is a lot more $21.60.

>

> Here is what I am on as per my Dr. and spacedoc.com

>

[Guest guest]

That is what Life says to take.

Dosage and Use

Take one capsule once or twice daily with or without food, or as recommended

by a healthcare practitioner.

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01500/PQQ-Caps-with-BioPQQ.html

And some of what spacedoc.com says is 2 / day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ihor n <ihor43us@...>

> Subject: Re: PQQ for Statin Drug Damage.

>

> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 3:42 PM

> Phil, if you don't mind me asking,

> how was the " I need two/day " determined? Is there a blood

> test?

>

> TIA

>

> Ihor

>

>

> >

> > Here is were I am going to get my PQQ at the price is

> much better $18.00 / bottle but it's only 30 tabs and I need

> two / day.

> >

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-PQQ-Caps-with-Bio-PQQ-10-mg-30-Veggie-Caps/2\

5980?at=0

> >

> > Life if not a member is a lot more $21.60.

> >

> > Here is what I am on as per my Dr. and spacedoc.com

> >

>

>

>

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>

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