Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor work

[Guest guest]

Bill first question is what are you eating for dinner?

It depends on what eating that is getting a huge insulin spike and TRT will make

you more insulin sensitive so you may be more aware of the changes as your body

adjusts. So start with the basis what is possible causing it and then go from

their. I do not think its adrenal issues because people with adrenal issues

crash in the afternoon which is most likely due to crappy lunch. So examin

eating habits and if you just got home from the gym you may need to make

modications to your dinner to avoid the crash afterwards.

>

> Hey all,

>

> I am on TRT now for a few months (T-Cyp injections). Some things have

certainly improved. However, one thing that hasn't is that I get real fatigued

after eating dinner. It's like " I just gotta lay down " .

>

> Do any of you have any ideas?

>

> Also, sometimes, this scenario happens (as it did yesterday); after just an

hour of fairly easy yard work (mowing mostly), or just 30 min. on the treadmill

(just a brisk walk) I have to lay down for an hour or two; I'm just exhausted as

well - utterly wiped out.

>

> Adrenal fatigue is what I may have based on my doc's initial exam. Is this a

symptom of AF? Or is it something else that maybe you guys have experienced?

>

> Bill

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill,

Yep AF will make you feel like this what happens I feel is your sugar is low

when you eat your dinner and your Cortisol levels may be low at this time. Your

sugar will spike up after eating with the low cortisol and you feel like this.

I can be dangerous if you get shaky and feel sick to your stomach.

When you go on Treatment say taking Cortef HC you need to watch this close. If

you feel like this you need to take extra we call it stress dosing of HC.

http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

I ended up in the ER two time in the same yr. until my Dr. go me on the right

dose of Cortef HC I take 30 mgs a day starting with 10 mgs at 5am, 5mgs at 9am,

10 mgs at 1pm and 5mgs at dinner about 6 pm.

I carry a card on me saying I have Adrenal Insufficiency doing this saved my

life.

You need a 4x's in a day Saliva test to see how your Cortisol rhythm looks.

There is a lot of good info in this link.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: bill_totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor work

>

> Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 7:32 PM

> Hey all,

>

> I am on TRT now for a few months (T-Cyp injections). 

> Some things have certainly improved.  However, one

> thing that hasn't is that I get real fatigued after eating

> dinner.  It's like " I just gotta lay down " . 

>

> Do any of you have any ideas? 

>

> Also, sometimes, this scenario happens (as it did

> yesterday); after just an hour of fairly easy yard work

> (mowing mostly), or just 30 min. on the treadmill (just a

> brisk walk) I have to lay down for an hour or two; I'm just

> exhausted as well - utterly wiped out.

>

> Adrenal fatigue is what I may have based on my doc's

> initial exam.  Is this a symptom of AF?  Or is it

> something else that maybe you guys have experienced?

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the ideas.  I'll log what I eat and see if I can detect a pattern. 

Bill

________________________________

From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 10:23:06 AM

Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor work

 

Bill first question is what are you eating for dinner?

It depends on what eating that is getting a huge insulin spike and TRT will make

you more insulin sensitive so you may be more aware of the changes as your body

adjusts. So start with the basis what is possible causing it and then go from

their. I do not think its adrenal issues because people with adrenal issues

crash in the afternoon which is most likely due to crappy lunch. So examin

eating habits and if you just got home from the gym you may need to make

modications to your dinner to avoid the crash afterwards.

>

> Hey all,

>

> I am on TRT now for a few months (T-Cyp injections). Some things have

certainly improved. However, one thing that hasn't is that I get real fatigued

after eating dinner. It's like " I just gotta lay down " .

>

> Do any of you have any ideas?

>

> Also, sometimes, this scenario happens (as it did yesterday); after just an

hour of fairly easy yard work (mowing mostly), or just 30 min. on the treadmill

(just a brisk walk) I have to lay down for an hour or two; I'm just exhausted as

well - utterly wiped out.

>

> Adrenal fatigue is what I may have based on my doc's initial exam. Is this a

symptom of AF? Or is it something else that maybe you guys have experienced?

>

> Bill

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Hmmm.. thanks for all this info. 

Night before last, after dinner when I felt this way, I checked my blood sugar

and it was 124 (about 10-15 minutes after eating some sliced ham with rice and

green beans).  That number sounds fine to me - what do you think?  Should I

check my BS before I eat as well? 

Bill

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 10:35:54 AM

Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor work

 

Hi Bill,

Yep AF will make you feel like this what happens I feel is your sugar is low

when you eat your dinner and your Cortisol levels may be low at this time. Your

sugar will spike up after eating with the low cortisol and you feel like this. I

can be dangerous if you get shaky and feel sick to your stomach.

When you go on Treatment say taking Cortef HC you need to watch this close. If

you feel like this you need to take extra we call it stress dosing of HC.

http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

I ended up in the ER two time in the same yr. until my Dr. go me on the right

dose of Cortef HC I take 30 mgs a day starting with 10 mgs at 5am, 5mgs at 9am,

10 mgs at 1pm and 5mgs at dinner about 6 pm.

I carry a card on me saying I have Adrenal Insufficiency doing this saved my

life.

You need a 4x's in a day Saliva test to see how your Cortisol rhythm looks.

There is a lot of good info in this link.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: bill_totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor work

>

> Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 7:32 PM

> Hey all,

>

> I am on TRT now for a few months (T-Cyp injections). 

> Some things have certainly improved.  However, one

> thing that hasn't is that I get real fatigued after eating

> dinner.  It's like " I just gotta lay down " . 

>

> Do any of you have any ideas? 

>

> Also, sometimes, this scenario happens (as it did

> yesterday); after just an hour of fairly easy yard work

> (mowing mostly), or just 30 min. on the treadmill (just a

> brisk walk) I have to lay down for an hour or two; I'm just

> exhausted as well - utterly wiped out.

>

> Adrenal fatigue is what I may have based on my doc's

> initial exam.  Is this a symptom of AF?  Or is it

> something else that maybe you guys have experienced?

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill,.....your blood glucose level should be 140 or below within 2 hours after

eating a meal.

It's almost worthless to take your reading right after you ate, as too many

things including what you took in come into play.

[Guest guest]

Bill,

Another thing you may want to try is an elimination diet to see if you are

allergic or sensitive to any types of food. Basically, you eat nothing but

meat, vegetables and fruit for every meal for a week. Once the week is

over, you then begin reintroducing food types back into your diet, i.e.

gluten, dairy, etc.. and see how they effect you. There is a methodical

way of doing it, and you can find a lot of books on this subject at your

local bookstore. People with AF or thyroid conditions are often allergic or

sensitive to some types of food because of the digestion issues.

Mike

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Bill Totten <bill_totten@...> wrote:

>

>

> Phil,

>

> Hmmm.. thanks for all this info.

>

> Night before last, after dinner when I felt this way, I checked my blood

> sugar and it was 124 (about 10-15 minutes after eating some sliced ham with

> rice and green beans). That number sounds fine to me - what do you think?

> Should I check my BS before I eat as well?

>

> Bill

>

> ________________________________

> From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@... <pmgamer18%40>>

> < %40>

> Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 10:35:54 AM

> Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor

> work

>

>

> Hi Bill,

>

> Yep AF will make you feel like this what happens I feel is your sugar is

> low when you eat your dinner and your Cortisol levels may be low at this

> time. Your sugar will spike up after eating with the low cortisol and you

> feel like this. I can be dangerous if you get shaky and feel sick to your

> stomach.

> When you go on Treatment say taking Cortef HC you need to watch this close.

> If you feel like this you need to take extra we call it stress dosing of HC.

> http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

>

> I ended up in the ER two time in the same yr. until my Dr. go me on the

> right dose of Cortef HC I take 30 mgs a day starting with 10 mgs at 5am,

> 5mgs at 9am, 10 mgs at 1pm and 5mgs at dinner about 6 pm.

>

> I carry a card on me saying I have Adrenal Insufficiency doing this saved

> my life.

>

> You need a 4x's in a day Saliva test to see how your Cortisol rhythm looks.

> There is a lot of good info in this link.

> http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: bill_totten <bill_totten@... <bill_totten%40>>

> > Subject: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor

> work

> > < %40>

> > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 7:32 PM

> > Hey all,

> >

> > I am on TRT now for a few months (T-Cyp injections).

> > Some things have certainly improved. However, one

> > thing that hasn't is that I get real fatigued after eating

> > dinner. It's like " I just gotta lay down " .

> >

> > Do any of you have any ideas?

> >

> > Also, sometimes, this scenario happens (as it did

> > yesterday); after just an hour of fairly easy yard work

> > (mowing mostly), or just 30 min. on the treadmill (just a

> > brisk walk) I have to lay down for an hour or two; I'm just

> > exhausted as well - utterly wiped out.

> >

> > Adrenal fatigue is what I may have based on my doc's

> > initial exam. Is this a symptom of AF? Or is it

> > something else that maybe you guys have experienced?

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Okay, thanks.

________________________________

From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 1:07:21 PM

Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor work

 

Bill,.....your blood glucose level should be 140 or below within 2 hours after

eating a meal.

It's almost worthless to take your reading right after you ate, as too many

things including what you took in come into play.

[Guest guest]

Hmmm... thanks Mike. 

You guys have really helped.  I am allergic to wheat gluten so I wonder if

there's something else that's hitting me. 

Bill

major fatigue after eating and relatively minor

> work

> > < %40>

> > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 7:32 PM

> > Hey all,

> >

> > I am on TRT now for a few months (T-Cyp injections).

> > Some things have certainly improved.  However, one

> > thing that hasn't is that I get real fatigued after eating

> > dinner.  It's like " I just gotta lay down " .

> >

> > Do any of you have any ideas?

> >

> > Also, sometimes, this scenario happens (as it did

> > yesterday); after just an hour of fairly easy yard work

> > (mowing mostly), or just 30 min. on the treadmill (just a

> > brisk walk) I have to lay down for an hour or two; I'm just

> > exhausted as well - utterly wiped out.

> >

> > Adrenal fatigue is what I may have based on my doc's

> > initial exam.  Is this a symptom of AF?  Or is it

> > something else that maybe you guys have experienced?

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is a good number but should be higher after eating. This would be a great

number before you eat. I get low numbers before I eat in the morning 85.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: bill_totten <bill_totten@...>

> > Subject: major fatigue after eating and

> relatively minor work

> >

> > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 7:32 PM

> > Hey all,

> >

> > I am on TRT now for a few months (T-Cyp

> injections). 

> > Some things have certainly improved.  However, one

> > thing that hasn't is that I get real fatigued after

> eating

> > dinner.  It's like " I just gotta lay down " . 

> >

> > Do any of you have any ideas? 

> >

> > Also, sometimes, this scenario happens (as it did

> > yesterday); after just an hour of fairly easy yard

> work

> > (mowing mostly), or just 30 min. on the treadmill

> (just a

> > brisk walk) I have to lay down for an hour or two; I'm

> just

> > exhausted as well - utterly wiped out.

> >

> > Adrenal fatigue is what I may have based on my doc's

> > initial exam.  Is this a symptom of AF?  Or is it

> > something else that maybe you guys have experienced?

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is good to read you sugar levels after you eat is you feel fatigued after

eating. Adrenal Fatugue your sugar levels end up low. So getting what he got

after eating is low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor

work

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:07 PM

> Bill,.....your blood glucose level

> should be 140 or below within 2 hours after eating a meal.

> It's almost worthless to take your reading right after you

> ate, as too many things including what you took in come into

> play.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,.....why do you think 85 is low in the AM after an overnight 'fast' per se?

To me that is totally normal.

I usually run between 82 and 95 when I get up,......am I missing something?

[Guest guest]

I use to take care of my wife's mother she need pills for high sugar and they

were to strong she would wake up with levels between 65 to 80 and pass out. Dr.

said they need to be at about 90.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor

work

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 5:18 PM

> Phil,.....why do you think 85 is low

> in the AM after an overnight 'fast' per se?

> To me that is totally normal.

>

> I usually run between 82 and 95 when I get up,......am I

> missing something?

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think 70 for a fasting level is the cut-off on the low side according to the

'ever changing' scales. Maybe a diabetic is more sensitive to lower levels?

Used to be 110 for the high side,.....now it is 99, or 100 for a fast depending

upon who draws the blood.

[Guest guest]

My blood sugar is a pretty constant 80, fasting or 2 hrs after a large meal.I

eat an extremely low carb diet.Weakness and fatigue are never an issue.A bonus

id I never really experience hunger pangs (that weak feeling in your belly).Able

to keep very lean.Before I began eating like this 18 mths ago I was a wreck and

obese.Not for everyone but i love it. Phil

>

> Phil,.....why do you think 85 is low in the AM after an overnight 'fast' per

se?

> To me that is totally normal.

>

> I usually run between 82 and 95 when I get up,......am I missing something?

>

[Guest guest]

Well I do now remember the machine your using has the range for the test stripes

her mach. is what I am going by. Still people with Adrenal Fatigue have low

sugar levels some are very bad. And going on Cotref HC meds helps.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor

work

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 5:41 PM

> I think 70 for a fasting level is the

> cut-off on the low side according to the 'ever changing'

> scales. Maybe a diabetic is more sensitive to lower levels?

>

> Used to be 110 for the high side,.....now it is 99, or 100

> for a fast depending upon who draws the blood.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tonight I ate a grilled cheese sandwich and a bowl of chicken noodle soup, water

to drink. Two hours after eating it's 137. No fatigue this evening.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 5:16:52 PM

Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor work

It is good to read you sugar levels after you eat is you feel fatigued after

eating. Adrenal Fatugue your sugar levels end up low. So getting what he got

after eating is low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor

work

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:07 PM

> Bill,.....your blood glucose level

> should be 140 or below within 2 hours after eating a meal.

> It's almost worthless to take your reading right after you

> ate, as too many things including what you took in come into

> play.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill,

Sorry to jump in here but this sounds very familiar to me, are there any

other symptoms that go along with this, such as " IBS " , inner body

trembling/shaking, along with the fatigue after (or attempting) yard work,

brain fog, internal agitation? sorry again it's just a subject close to my

heart. Tim

On 9 June 2010 01:25, Bill Totten <bill_totten@...> wrote:

>

>

> Tonight I ate a grilled cheese sandwich and a bowl of chicken noodle soup,

> water to drink. Two hours after eating it's 137. No fatigue this evening.

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@... <pmgamer18%40>>

> < %40>

> Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 5:16:52 PM

>

> Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively minor

> work

>

> It is good to read you sugar levels after you eat is you feel fatigued

> after eating. Adrenal Fatugue your sugar levels end up low. So getting what

> he got after eating is low.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@... <cfs38%40msn.com>>

> > Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively

> minor work

> > < %40>

> > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:07 PM

> > Bill,.....your blood glucose level

> > should be 140 or below within 2 hours after eating a meal.

> > It's almost worthless to take your reading right after you

> > ate, as too many things including what you took in come into

> > play.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tim,

I used to have IBS, but that was found to be Celiac Sprue - it's an allergy to

wheat gluten. I do get the fatigue after yard work, I do have some brain fog,

and I'm not sure what " internal agitation " is. The internal shaking is a

felling that I do get once in a while.

As for " jumping in " , please do so, that's why i posted this to see who else has

something like this.

What light can you shed on this? And " thanks " .

Bill

Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively

> minor work

> > < %40>

> > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:07 PM

> > Bill,.....your blood glucose level

> > should be 140 or below within 2 hours after eating a meal.

> > It's almost worthless to take your reading right after you

> > ate, as too many things including what you took in come into

> > play.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill,

For probably 15 years I have suffered a " mystery " illness, had almost every

test you could think of over the years, have been on TRT (low normal T with

raised LH & FSH) with no positive effect, Have been on Hydrocortisone ( very

low levels throughout the day via saliva test) again no positive effect, was

found to have low B12 and folate levels, I am on jabs and supplements for

that, there have been some positive effects from B12 & folate mainly

involving the nervous system, ie: I used to have very bad raynauds but

I don't any more, this is nice but not what I was trying to fix:) so anyway

fast forward to the year before last, after doctors telling me, there was

nothing wrong with me and to " get my finger out " others telling me I

was depressed and others that I had chronic fatigue syndrome, I felt like

crap everyday of my life, to dam right I was depressed ! So next up I got a

infection, doc's said it was Impetigo, blood's said it was staphylococcus

aureus I was on antibiotics for 14 months was getting sicker and sicker but

still had the infection, eventually I got to see a dermatologist( after an 8

month wait) and he said it looked like Eczema to him and gave me some cream.

This for me was the turning point, I started to research Eczema and at every

turn " Dairy " intolerance/allergy popped up, Nah! I thought no bloody way

could something as innocent as dairy make me feel this bad, well I kid you

not, within 3 days of giving up dairy my IBS symptoms had cleared( I was

taking Imodium daily just so I could take the dog for a walk) within a week

the Eczema was a distant memory (turned out to be Atopic Eczema ) and within

2 weeks I was starting to feel better in myself, more energy, not needing to

sleep in the day the internal tremor's stopped, back ache stopped, calve's

aching when walking stopped, the list is endless to be honest.

Bill, I feel that as you have celiac, it's probably damaged you gut and left

you wide open for a food allergy of some sort, maybe dairy maybe not,

there's been good advise so far re: elimination diet, all good, but

personally I would kill the Dairy in all forms (it's a little difficult,

even some crisps have lactose in the flavouring) also the symptoms from

Lactose are with you pretty quick, bloating and felling crap after eating,

but the Casein Protein symptoms can take 24 hours to appear, so some of the

symptoms you experience today, could be from what you ate yesterday if you

follow, it all rolls into an endless cycle and is very hard to put your

finger on the trigger food, so as you can see I could talk about this all

day, and I hope some of my rambling's may help, I still have some questions

for the board and will get around to that soon, cheer's for now, Tim.

On 9 June 2010 12:35, Bill Totten <bill_totten@...> wrote:

>

>

> Tim,

> I used to have IBS, but that was found to be Celiac Sprue - it's an allergy

> to wheat gluten. I do get the fatigue after yard work, I do have some brain

> fog, and I'm not sure what " internal agitation " is. The internal shaking is

> a felling that I do get once in a while.

>

> As for " jumping in " , please do so, that's why i posted this to see who else

> has something like this.

>

> What light can you shed on this? And " thanks " .

> Bill

>

>

> Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively

> > minor work

> > >

< %40>< %

> 40>

>

> > > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:07 PM

> > > Bill,.....your blood glucose level

> > > should be 140 or below within 2 hours after eating a meal.

> > > It's almost worthless to take your reading right after you

> > > ate, as too many things including what you took in come into

> > > play.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I feel you have AF with low sugar to over come this we do better eating small

meals more often.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> > Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating

> and relatively minor work

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:07 PM

> > Bill,.....your blood glucose level

> > should be 140 or below within 2 hours after eating a

> meal.

> > It's almost worthless to take your reading right after

> you

> > ate, as too many things including what you took in

> come into

> > play.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Tim tell us more how do you over come this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...

> <cfs38%40msn.com>>

> > > Subject: Re: major fatigue after

> eating and relatively

> > minor work

> > >

> < %40>

> > > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:07 PM

> > > Bill,.....your blood glucose level

> > > should be 140 or below within 2 hours after

> eating a meal.

> > > It's almost worthless to take your reading right

> after you

> > > ate, as too many things including what you took

> in come into

> > > play.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Tim Hardasnails is good at this I hope he posts to you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...

> <cfs38%40msn.com> <cfs38%40msn.com

> > >>

> >

> > > > Subject: Re: major fatigue

> after eating and relatively

> > > minor work

> > > >

> < %40>< %

> > 40>

> >

> > > > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:07 PM

> > > > Bill,.....your blood glucose level

> > > > should be 140 or below within 2 hours after

> eating a meal.

> > > > It's almost worthless to take your reading

> right after you

> > > > ate, as too many things including what you

> took in come into

> > > > play.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Wow,.....this is very interesting to read.

I have many if not all of the same symptoms from time to time myself.

Unfortunately many of these are 'generic' symptoms and can be caused by a

hundred different things.

On the other hand,....it's pretty darn easy for me to take dairy out of my diet

for a week or two, and see what happens!

Thanks.

> > >

> > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@... <cfs38%40msn.com> <cfs38%40msn.com

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> > > > Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and relatively

> > > minor work

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> > > > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:07 PM

> > > > Bill,.....your blood glucose level

> > > > should be 140 or below within 2 hours after eating a meal.

> > > > It's almost worthless to take your reading right after you

> > > > ate, as too many things including what you took in come into

> > > > play.

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[Guest guest]

Hmmm, I don't get the spy ware thing at all, sorry about

that, wouldn't have posted the link if I had, the site works fine from my

end.

Just to add something, when I was researching low T etc, one of the symptoms

I thought was relevant, was a pot belly, Every doc I mentioned it to said

more or less the same thing " we all get that when we get older " thing was I

had never had a pot belly in my life and it was like a football, hard, not

soft fat, I now know this to be part of the Dairy allergy (fermentation in

the intestines) as it has gone now and I am working towards a six pack for

my 50th birthday in November Another symptom that is now a memory was,

pissing for England ! cheer's.

On 9 June 2010 18:55, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

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>

> That is a very good read but it has a lot of spy ware in it telling you

> your PC is infected and you can't rid your self of it with out shuting down

> your PC so anyone reading know this is going to happen.

>

> My Sister in law all most died from this problem Dr.'s could not help her

> did not know what was wrong with her she was getting blood 3x's a week to

> live. She called me on the phone and asked me if I would search the web to

> figure out what was wrong with her.

>

> I found in in 15 min.'s Whipple's disease yet telling her Dr. this he would

> not look into it she had to see a new Dr. she was dam near dead.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

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> > >

> > > Thank you Tim Hardasnails is good at this I hope he

> > posts to you.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

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[Guest guest]

Hi marc,

it's an easy diet to do, unlike gluten, I did that for six week's and it was

bloody murder, but I can say that there are many things that contain lactose

and Casein, for instance from time to time I take some Iron pills along with

some vit C if I'm feeling a bit off with a cold for instance, i started to

feel a worse, and the first sign Iv'e slipped up and taken some dairy is

anal itching that would drive you up the wall, I just could not figure it

out, in the end the ferrous sulphate has lactose in the coating!

And just to add, Humans are the only mammal on earth to continue to consume

milk after weaning, but more bizarrely we are also the only mammal that

consumes another's milk, I now treat dairy as poison, cheer's.

On 9 June 2010 19:14, marc200134470 <cfs38@...> wrote:

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> Wow,.....this is very interesting to read.

> I have many if not all of the same symptoms from time to time myself.

> Unfortunately many of these are 'generic' symptoms and can be caused by a

> hundred different things.

>

> On the other hand,....it's pretty darn easy for me to take dairy out of my

> diet for a week or two, and see what happens!

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@... <cfs38%40msn.com> <cfs38%40msn.com

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> > > > > Subject: Re: major fatigue after eating and

> relatively

> > > > minor work

> > > > > To:

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> > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:07 PM

> > > > > Bill,.....your blood glucose level

> > > > > should be 140 or below within 2 hours after eating a meal.

> > > > > It's almost worthless to take your reading right after you

> > > > > ate, as too many things including what you took in come into

> > > > > play.

> > > > >

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