RE: Arimidex Question,...............Another Novel Ahead

January 12, 2011

I can help you with the Arimidex generic .5 mgs take it every 3 days when your

levels come down you will get night time and morning wood so strong it will wake

you up when this happens keep taking it but watch for your wood to stop. When

it does your going down to low stop taking it until your wood comes back.

Because your not on TRT don't go back on it unless you feel like your Estraidol

levels are going back up again they might not go up again.

Keep a log on how your feeling not on the Arimidex and day by day on it so you

can read back and see how your doing. If you feel your levels going back up

break open the caps and try to div. it in half .25 mgs and go back on this every

3 days. When you lose your night time wood if you do your going to low so just

stop taking it. Once you get good at this your going to do fine it's not all

that hard.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Arimidex Question,...............Another Novel Ahead

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:50 PM

> Well went to see my cardiologist last

> night. Even though I was referred to my new 'functional med'

> doc by him, they are not agreeing on my treatment. Kind of

> stinks as I don't want battling docs really, plus it leaves

> me not knowing who to listen to.

>

> Anyway he said my thyroid panel was fine in his opinion,

> and that I do not need T3 meds and should not be taking

> them. Told him I only took a couple and stopped until I saw

> him due to an increase in my pulse rate.

>

> He also said that the Cipro and Diflucan was ridiculous in

> his opinion for the 'opportunistic bacteria' and yeast level

> that was found in the Metametrix test. He said to just use

> some pro-biotics or eat Activia yogurt for awhile. Basically

> he told me to not take either one of those drugs, as they

> are pretty heavy duty and he doesn't believe they should be

> used for minor gut imbalances.

>

> He is going to do testing for the hemochromotosis as well

> as some in depth liver tests besides the standard

> AST,ALT,Bilirubin. Also get to have a CT scan of my abdomen

> to cover my liver, gall bladder, and pancreas I guess. I

> keep losing weight and have extreme bloating and abdominal

> pain after I eat, along with a rapid pounding pulse that is

> making me not want to eat much of course.

>

> He agreed with the celiac gene test, but I told him I don't

> have the results yet.

>

> Anyway on to the Arimidex question!

> He does want me to lower my E2 levels and said I should

> start the meds from my other doc since I have them already.

> He didn't seem to be concerned about the dosage, but I have

> heard you guys talk about this stuff so much now that you

> have me thinking it is too much.

>

> E2 of 52 on scale of 13-54, and have compounded capsules of

> .5mg to be taken Monday and Thursday. Is this OK, or should

> I call my other doc and ask for a new scrip of .25mg ones?

> I have a strong feeling that he will only give me

> compounded capsules and not the actual 1mg pills or a

> compounded solution like HAN suggested due to the fact that

> I could mess with my own dosage that way.

>

> After reading what a lot of folks here have to say about

> Arimidex, I am kind of nervous about starting this now due

> to side effects and whatever this rebound is you speak of.

>

> I don't know which doc to listen to, but I have been with

> my cardiologist for years and tend to trust him. Actually I

> need to trust him as I do have 'issues' starting with plaque

> in my arteries although it is minor at this point. Also I am

> finally getting hit with what many members of my family have

> had, as in tachycardia and the like.

>

> My mother as well as my biological father have had

> hypertension and different types of arrhythmias since they

> were much younger than I am.

> Fortunately mine is 'simple' sinus tach with a few PVC's

> thrown in for good measure.

>

> He said last night that this new doc has helped a number of

> patients he sent to him, but also that he tends to go

> overboard with drugs and supplements in his opinion on many

> of them.

>

> If any of you made it through my latest novel, I would

> appreciate any input,.......keep in mind what I have is the

> generic version of Arimidex if that matters, and I am NOT on

> TRT.

> Yea,.....I know I am starting to sound like I am obsessing

> over this stuff, and I may be at this point. I keep feeling

> worse all the time and it's putting me into a circle of

> doubt after months of this.

>

> I'm sure a lot of you understand though.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

January 12, 2011

I am about to order this w/o doc discussion on dosage. Please better explain

typically when to take Arimidex. I dnt understand stop it " when my wood stops " .

I receive erections most mornings if in REM sleep (not every person receives REM

sleep which causes dreaming and sex organ stimulation). T helps with my

erections.

Arimidex Question,...............Another Novel Ahead

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:50 PM

> Well went to see my cardiologist last

> night. Even though I was referred to my new 'functional med'

> doc by him, they are not agreeing on my tre

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January 12, 2011

Here is a file I made about going to low on Arimidex see if this helps.

===================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> > Subject: Arimidex

> Question,...............Another Novel Ahead

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:50 PM

> > Well went to see my cardiologist last

> > night. Even though I was referred to my new

> 'functional med'

> > doc by him, they are not agreeing on my tre

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

January 12, 2011

thanks

RE: Arimidex Question,...............Another Novel Ahead

Here is a file I made about going to low on Arimidex see if this helps.

===================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 w

[The entire original message is not included]

January 13, 2011

Thanks Phil,.....I had to leave right after I posted this yesterday.

If I need to open the gelatin capsules and try to divide the powder, can I

simply lick the powder per se and wash it down with some water, or does it need

to be in a capsule for some reason?

I am going to try and call today about getting a liquid suspension so I can

adjust my dose down, but I doubt he will go for it. Worth a try though!

>

> I can help you with the Arimidex generic .5 mgs take it every 3 days when your

levels come down you will get night time and morning wood so strong it will wake

you up when this happens keep taking it but watch for your wood to stop. When

it does your going down to low stop taking it until your wood comes back.

Because your not on TRT don't go back on it unless you feel like your Estraidol

levels are going back up again they might not go up again.

>

> Keep a log on how your feeling not on the Arimidex and day by day on it so you

can read back and see how your doing. If you feel your levels going back up

break open the caps and try to div. it in half .25 mgs and go back on this every

3 days. When you lose your night time wood if you do your going to low so just

stop taking it. Once you get good at this your going to do fine it's not all

that hard.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

January 13, 2011

If you try Arimidex keep me posted how your doing so I can help you not to go to

low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> Subject: RE: Arimidex Question,...............Another Novel

Ahead

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 4:02 PM

> thanks

>

> RE: Arimidex

> Question,...............Another Novel Ahead

>

> Here is a file I made about going to low on Arimidex see if

> this helps.

> ===================================================

> How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to

> Low.

>

> What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the

> length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks

> it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol.

> Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

> your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up

> taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and

> did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so

> I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my

> next labs.

>

> The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol

> levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good

> levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time

> and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

> can hang a coat on it.

>

> Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I

> use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand

> it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in

> half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels

> are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every

> other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did

> not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every

> day in about 2 w

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

January 13, 2011

I would want to see the results of your hemochromatosis and celiac test before

making any recommendations. Those two things can actually cause a lot of your

symptoms.

Barb

>

> Well went to see my cardiologist last night. Even though I was referred to my

new 'functional med' doc by him, they are not agreeing on my treatment. Kind of

stinks as I don't want battling docs really, plus it leaves me not knowing who

to listen to.

>

> Anyway he said my thyroid panel was fine in his opinion, and that I do not

need T3 meds and should not be taking them. Told him I only took a couple and

stopped until I saw him due to an increase in my pulse rate.

>

> He also said that the Cipro and Diflucan was ridiculous in his opinion for the

'opportunistic bacteria' and yeast level that was found in the Metametrix test.

He said to just use some pro-biotics or eat Activia yogurt for awhile. Basically

he told me to not take either one of those drugs, as they are pretty heavy duty

and he doesn't believe they should be used for minor gut imbalances.

>

> He is going to do testing for the hemochromotosis as well as some in depth

liver tests besides the standard AST,ALT,Bilirubin. Also get to have a CT scan

of my abdomen to cover my liver, gall bladder, and pancreas I guess. I keep

losing weight and have extreme bloating and abdominal pain after I eat, along

with a rapid pounding pulse that is making me not want to eat much of course.

>

> He agreed with the celiac gene test, but I told him I don't have the results

yet.

>

> Anyway on to the Arimidex question!

> He does want me to lower my E2 levels and said I should start the meds from my

other doc since I have them already. He didn't seem to be concerned about the

dosage, but I have heard you guys talk about this stuff so much now that you

have me thinking it is too much.

>

> E2 of 52 on scale of 13-54, and have compounded capsules of .5mg to be taken

Monday and Thursday. Is this OK, or should I call my other doc and ask for a new

scrip of .25mg ones?

> I have a strong feeling that he will only give me compounded capsules and not

the actual 1mg pills or a compounded solution like HAN suggested due to the fact

that I could mess with my own dosage that way.

>

> After reading what a lot of folks here have to say about Arimidex, I am kind

of nervous about starting this now due to side effects and whatever this rebound

is you speak of.

>

> I don't know which doc to listen to, but I have been with my cardiologist for

years and tend to trust him. Actually I need to trust him as I do have 'issues'

starting with plaque in my arteries although it is minor at this point. Also I

am finally getting hit with what many members of my family have had, as in

tachycardia and the like.

>

> My mother as well as my biological father have had hypertension and different

types of arrhythmias since they were much younger than I am.

> Fortunately mine is 'simple' sinus tach with a few PVC's thrown in for good

measure.

>

> He said last night that this new doc has helped a number of patients he sent

to him, but also that he tends to go overboard with drugs and supplements in his

opinion on many of them.

>

> If any of you made it through my latest novel, I would appreciate any

input,.......keep in mind what I have is the generic version of Arimidex if that

matters, and I am NOT on TRT.

> Yea,.....I know I am starting to sound like I am obsessing over this stuff,

and I may be at this point. I keep feeling worse all the time and it's putting

me into a circle of doubt after months of this.

>

> I'm sure a lot of you understand though.

>

January 13, 2011

If you can get the powder out and use half of it the rest I would pitch.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Arimidex Question,...............Another Novel

Ahead

>

> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 9:12 AM

> Thanks Phil,.....I had to leave right

> after I posted this yesterday.

>

> If I need to open the gelatin capsules and try to divide

> the powder, can I simply lick the powder per se and wash it

> down with some water, or does it need to be in a capsule for

> some reason?

>

> I am going to try and call today about getting a liquid

> suspension so I can adjust my dose down, but I doubt he will

> go for it. Worth a try though!

>

> >

> > I can help you with the Arimidex generic .5 mgs take

> it every 3 days when your levels come down you will get

> night time and morning wood so strong it will wake you up

> when this happens keep taking it but watch for your wood to

> stop. When it does your going down to low stop taking

> it until your wood comes back. Because your not on TRT

> don't go back on it unless you feel like your Estraidol

> levels are going back up again they might not go up again.

> >

> > Keep a log on how your feeling not on the Arimidex and

> day by day on it so you can read back and see how your

> doing. If you feel your levels going back up break

> open the caps and try to div. it in half .25 mgs and go back

> on this every 3 days. When you lose your night time

> wood if you do your going to low so just stop taking

> it. Once you get good at this your going to do fine

> it's not all that hard.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> ------------------------------------

>

January 14, 2011

Yes,.....I am anxious to get the results of those as well. When HAN mentioned

high ferritin being associated with hemochromatosis I did some research for the

first time. Plenty of symptoms match up, but then again I could probably find

100 different things with the same symptoms if I looked.

Certainly worth ruling out, or confirming though as you can live a normal life

if it's caught early,......not a good prognosis if it exists for a long time.

My celiac gene test, well who knows. They received it on 1/5 but it says to give

up to 3 weeks for results.

I know that my thyroid panel looked slightly low for sure, but my cardiologist

said it was 'normal' in his opinion. I think he wants me to wait for these tests

and also to get my heart rate under control before I start trying to 'optimize'

my thyroid function. He basically said that with my test numbers it should not

be causing me any problems.

Once again,....who knows which doc is correct.

Unfortunately he started me on Coreg at a very low dose. I take 3.125 mg twice a

day. It seems to be working, but it's making me light-headed and also fatigued.

Doc said to give it a couple of weeks as long as I don't get any other sides

that are more troublesome.

Didn't really have any choice, as he said the tach was not good for my heart

long term, plus my BP needs to come down further. Having a pulse over 100 most

of the day is not really what I would call pleasant either, but I guess you

would know that since you had it also.

Sounds like if the Coreg doesn't do it, or I can't tolerate beta-blockers, I

will be going to have one of those 'conduction' type studies done to find out

where the signal is coming from. Not thrilled about that prospect as it usually

results in cardiac ablation.

>

> I would want to see the results of your hemochromatosis and celiac test before

making any recommendations. Those two things can actually cause a lot of your

symptoms.

>

> Barb

January 14, 2011

" marc200134470 " <cfs38@...> wrote:

> I know that my thyroid panel looked slightly low for sure, but my cardiologist

said it was 'normal' in his opinion. I think he wants me to wait for these tests

and also to get my heart rate under control before I start trying to 'optimize'

my thyroid function. He basically said that with my test numbers it should not

be causing me any problems.

I disagree here, and it's a matter of which comes first? Your heart is acting

up BECAUSE your thyroid is low. " Normal " is a statistical term that refers to

95% of the population, some of whom are hypothyroid. If you doctor will call

Quest Labs, he'll find out the ranges are negatively skewed, meaning nearly

everyone in the healthy population from which the ranges are based, had values

above mid-range. Every single one of your thyroid labs was below mid-range.

> Sounds like if the Coreg doesn't do it, or I can't tolerate beta-blockers, I

will be going to have one of those 'conduction' type studies done to find out

where the signal is coming from. Not thrilled about that prospect as it usually

results in cardiac ablation.

I don't know anything about Coreg, but I certainly might want to trial some

thyroid before consenting to a cardiac ablation.

Barb

January 14, 2011

Barb,....you are correct of course about my readings being below mid-range, and

could very well be right about my thyroid causing it all.

The unfortunate part for me right now is I have a number of things going on, and

have different docs trying to treat different things.

I did try the T3 only med for a few days, but quit it when I saw my pulse going

up high more often. I didn't want my body to get used to it per se, and have to

quit cold turkey.

IIRC, you were confused why my FM doc put me on T3 only?

No way am I going to get into a major procedure like ablation. In all fairness

my cardio doc did not even suggest my needing that,...only that I may need a

conduction study done by one of those doctors if it doesn't come down.

I am basically waiting to see what these tests show,......especially the

hemochromatosis, as rapid heart rate and arrhythmias are one of the symptoms.

Only reason I am concerned about this is due to my ferritin levels taken twice

now, and my upper 1/3 range of those 3 iron tests, along with symptoms.

Mainly I am very confused right now,....especially about the eating issues and

the continuing weight loss. I imagine my almost 5 years of going on and off of

Nexium has messed that up. What do you do?

Gastro doc tells me if I quit it I will end up with barrett's esophagus.

Having lousy genes is not for the faint of heart when they finally hit you. I

thought I was going to be the lucky one as I have lived quite a bit longer than

my mother or my biological father did without problems.

>

> > I know that my thyroid panel looked slightly low for sure, but my

cardiologist said it was 'normal' in his opinion. I think he wants me to wait

for these tests and also to get my heart rate under control before I start

trying to 'optimize' my thyroid function. He basically said that with my test

numbers it should not be causing me any problems.

>

> I disagree here, and it's a matter of which comes first? Your heart is acting

up BECAUSE your thyroid is low. " Normal " is a statistical term that refers to

95% of the population, some of whom are hypothyroid. If you doctor will call

Quest Labs, he'll find out the ranges are negatively skewed, meaning nearly

everyone in the healthy population from which the ranges are based, had values

above mid-range. Every single one of your thyroid labs was below mid-range.

>

> > Sounds like if the Coreg doesn't do it, or I can't tolerate beta-blockers, I

will be going to have one of those 'conduction' type studies done to find out

where the signal is coming from. Not thrilled about that prospect as it usually

results in cardiac ablation.

>

> I don't know anything about Coreg, but I certainly might want to trial some

thyroid before consenting to a cardiac ablation.

>

> Barb

>

January 14, 2011

Men needs a minimal of 10 mgs of cortef other wise it can cause a negative feed

back loop to shot down your own production (similar to feed back when not enough

androgel is applied). Again you need to isolate the cause of why ferritin is

high. If ferrritin is just high and other parameters in check then its just a

response to inflammatory reponse or some infection. People that have heart

attacks and strokes are people with lower thyroid function AKA low t-3 level

predict mortality rate

> >

> > I would want to see the results of your hemochromatosis and celiac test

before making any recommendations. Those two things can actually cause a lot of

your symptoms.

> >

> > Barb

>

January 15, 2011

Well just for the heck of it, here are my thyroid results again in case you

missed them. This is what my cardiologist looked at BTW.

TSH - 1.19 (0.40-4.50 mIU/L)

T4 Total - 6.9 (4.5-12.5 mcg/dL)

T4 Free - 1.2 (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

T3 Free - 2.9 (2.3-4.2 pg/mL)

T3 Total - 90 (76-181 ng/dL)

T3 Reverse - 27 (11-32 ng/dL)

Antibody tests for Hashi's came back normal. He did not do the ones for Graves

per Barb.

Also like I said on another thread, he prescribed 5mcgs. of T3 only but I only

took it for a few days, as it started to ramp my pulse. That is the last thing I

need right now.

IIRC the FM doc said he didn't want to use Armour on me,....that it would make

my RT3 increase even more. Since then I have seen you folks talking about trying

to lower RT3 being unnecessary I believe?

At one point I was thinking that my high cortisol was ramping my pulse, but that

doesn't seem to fly anymore. According to my tests it was highest in the

AM,.....over scale, but that is also the time that my pulse rate is the lowest.

It starts going up in the late afternoon/early evening even taking the Coreg AM

and PM.

My next theory is that my high E2 is causing fluid to build up in me during the

day, and ramping my pulse. Granted, I urinate during the day, but not what I

take in it seems. It really starts to flow out of me in the evening though, and

after a few good 'horse' pees the pulse stops bounding and heads down again for

the night.

My kidneys are fine according to all of my tests. This is really getting

monotonous at this point.

>

> Men needs a minimal of 10 mgs of cortef other wise it can cause a negative

feed back loop to shot down your own production (similar to feed back when not

enough androgel is applied). Again you need to isolate the cause of why ferritin

is high. If ferrritin is just high and other parameters in check then its just

a response to inflammatory reponse or some infection. People that have heart

attacks and strokes are people with lower thyroid function AKA low t-3 level

predict mortality rate

January 15, 2011

Well when my Estradiol levels are up I hold a lot of water and my BP and heart

rate go up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Arimidex Question,...............Another Novel

Ahead

>

> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:59 PM

>

> Well just for the heck of it, here are my thyroid results

> again in case you missed them. This is what my cardiologist

> looked at BTW.

>

> TSH - 1.19 (0.40-4.50 mIU/L)

> T4 Total - 6.9 (4.5-12.5 mcg/dL)

> T4 Free - 1.2 (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

> T3 Free - 2.9 (2.3-4.2 pg/mL)

> T3 Total - 90 (76-181 ng/dL)

> T3 Reverse - 27 (11-32 ng/dL)

> Antibody tests for Hashi's came back normal. He did not do

> the ones for Graves per Barb.

>

> Also like I said on another thread, he prescribed 5mcgs. of

> T3 only but I only took it for a few days, as it started to

> ramp my pulse. That is the last thing I need right now.

>

> IIRC the FM doc said he didn't want to use Armour on

> me,....that it would make my RT3 increase even more. Since

> then I have seen you folks talking about trying to lower RT3

> being unnecessary I believe?

>

> At one point I was thinking that my high cortisol was

> ramping my pulse, but that doesn't seem to fly anymore.

> According to my tests it was highest in the AM,.....over

> scale, but that is also the time that my pulse rate is the

> lowest. It starts going up in the late afternoon/early

> evening even taking the Coreg AM and PM.

>

> My next theory is that my high E2 is causing fluid to build

> up in me during the day, and ramping my pulse. Granted, I

> urinate during the day, but not what I take in it seems. It

> really starts to flow out of me in the evening though, and

> after a few good 'horse' pees the pulse stops bounding and

> heads down again for the night.

>

> My kidneys are fine according to all of my tests. This is

> really getting monotonous at this point.

>

> >

> > Men needs a minimal of 10 mgs of cortef other wise it

> can cause a negative feed back loop to shot down your own

> production (similar to feed back when not enough androgel is

> applied). Again you need to isolate the cause of why

> ferritin is high. If ferrritin is just high and other

> parameters in check then its just a response to inflammatory

> reponse or some infection. People that have heart attacks

> and strokes are people with lower thyroid function AKA low

> t-3 level predict mortality rate

>

> ------------------------------------

>

January 15, 2011

SLight t4 to t3 conversion. Need to look into factors to why this is occuring.

Do not look too much into thing because this is stresful in itself. Personally

I tell people to stay off the internet and have confidence in their health

practioner. So my suggestion is fine a good one and let your brain take a rest.

I did not heal untill I got off the internet and also off the thyroid boards. I

got tired of hearing the same thing over and over again. Come back 5 years from

now they will be in the same boat. Having a support group is one thing. Having

people feed into your issue is another.

> >

> > Men needs a minimal of 10 mgs of cortef other wise it can cause a negative

feed back loop to shot down your own production (similar to feed back when not

enough androgel is applied). Again you need to isolate the cause of why ferritin

is high. If ferrritin is just high and other parameters in check then its just

a response to inflammatory reponse or some infection. People that have heart

attacks and strokes are people with lower thyroid function AKA low t-3 level

predict mortality rate

>

January 15, 2011

Yea,.....I am trying to avoid looking at too much stuff anymore.

I think my docs are good, but just think differently. The 'functional medicine'

guy attempts to make everyone like a 20 year old again by attacking every figure

he sees with a med or supplement.

I think we all know that isn't going to happen. I DO think he is about the best

I will ever find locally though. My cardiologist is also one of the best around

here, and I have confidence in him.

Simply going to get these latest tests done and rule out hemochromatosis, and a

few other things. I really wish I could go ahead and have you look at my stuff,

but the NutrEval test you consider very important is yet to be done and will be

delayed again due to these most recent tests.

Personally I think when it all comes down to it, that I have a gut/liver issue,

combined with high E2 that is messing up a lot of things. Other option is I have

something really bad wrong with me, but I am not going to put myself into that

frame of mind.

I also asked for a homocysteine level test being that it is involved in

cardiovascular disease and also a major inflammation marker. Never had one done

before.

>

> SLight t4 to t3 conversion. Need to look into factors to why this is occuring.

Do not look too much into thing because this is stresful in itself. Personally

I tell people to stay off the internet and have confidence in their health

practioner. So my suggestion is fine a good one and let your brain take a rest.

I did not heal untill I got off the internet and also off the thyroid boards. I

got tired of hearing the same thing over and over again. Come back 5 years from

now they will be in the same boat. Having a support group is one thing. Having

people feed into your issue is another.

>

January 15, 2011

You are confusing functional medicine with antiaging medicine. Functional

mddicine is all about finding root causes for genesis of disease. Antiaging is

improving quality of life through balancing hormones to that of a younger age. I

use functional medicine approach and if need be support with hormones if the

body is unable to sustain healthy levels on their own.

> >

> > SLight t4 to t3 conversion. Need to look into factors to why this is

occuring. Do not look too much into thing because this is stresful in itself.

Personally I tell people to stay off the internet and have confidence in their

health practioner. So my suggestion is fine a good one and let your brain take a

rest. I did not heal untill I got off the internet and also off the thyroid

boards. I got tired of hearing the same thing over and over again. Come back 5

years from now they will be in the same boat. Having a support group is one

thing. Having people feed into your issue is another.

> >

>

January 15, 2011

Do you base your medical decision making Hardas, on case studies, your personal

assessments, or both? Just curious and by no way am I being disrespectful.

Re: Arimidex Question,...............Another Novel Ahead

You are confusing functional medicine with antiaging medicine. Functional

mddicine is all about finding root causes for genesis of disease. Antiaging is

improving quality of life through balancing hormones to that of a younger age. I

use functional medicine approach and if need be support with hormones if the

body is unable to sustain healthy levels on their own.

>

> Yea,.....I am trying to avoid looking at too much stuff anymore.

> I think my docs are good, but just think differently. The 'functional

medicine' guy attempts to make everyone like a 20 year old again by attacking

every figure he sees with a med or supplement.

>

> I think we all know that isn't going to happen. I DO think he is about the

best I will ever find locally though. My cardiologist is also one of the best

around here, and I have confidence in him.

>

> Simply going to get these latest tests done and rule out hemochromatosis, and

a few other things. I really wish I could go ahead and have you look at my

stuff, but the NutrEval test you consider very important is yet to be done and

will be delayed again due to these most recent tests.

>

> Personally I think when it all comes down to it, that I have a gut/liver

issue, combined with high E2 that is messing up a lot of things. Other option is

I have something really bad wrong with me, but I am not going to put myself into

that frame of m

[The entire original message is not included]

January 15, 2011

Its based upon past experience both clincal and personal. What ever you guys

have tried I done it years before so I know why and how it works. Clincally

having 3-4 years under dr O supervision's I have learned alot from the medical

side. When dealing with DR's I go from clincal which also reflects my personal

experience as a patient slipping through the medical cracks. When a person says

that how they feel I can personally relate to the same experience unlike other

medical professionals that have never been there. This is one advanatage I have

over other medical professionals. When a patient or clients tells me they are up

all night staring at the ceiling mind raceing, I know what they are personally

going through. When a dr tells you they understand they are full of crap

because they never expereinced first hand. Example would be put an endrocrine

dr on lupron and see how they feel. Finally then they would get a real feel of

what it is like.

> >

> > Yea,.....I am trying to avoid looking at too much stuff anymore.

> > I think my docs are good, but just think differently. The 'functional

medicine' guy attempts to make everyone like a 20 year old again by attacking

every figure he sees with a med or supplement.

> >

> > I think we all know that isn't going to happen. I DO think he is about the

best I will ever find locally though. My cardiologist is also one of the best

around here, and I have confidence in him.

> >

> > Simply going to get these latest tests done and rule out hemochromatosis,

and a few other things. I really wish I could go ahead and have you look at my

stuff, but the NutrEval test you consider very important is yet to be done and

will be delayed again due to these most recent tests.

> >

> > Personally I think when it all comes down to it, that I have a gut/liver

issue, combined with high E2 that is messing up a lot of things. Other option is

I have something really bad wrong with me, but I am not going to put myself into

that frame of m

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

January 16, 2011

Just curious HAN, what exactly do you take? Thyroid? Testosteone? Cortef?

How often do you dose everything, and how much do you take?

Barb

> > >

> > > Yea,.....I am trying to avoid looking at too much stuff anymore.

> > > I think my docs are good, but just think differently. The 'functional

medicine' guy attempts to make everyone like a 20 year old again by attacking

every figure he sees with a med or supplement.

> > >

> > > I think we all know that isn't going to happen. I DO think he is about

the best I will ever find locally though. My cardiologist is also one of the

best around here, and I have confidence in him.

> > >

> > > Simply going to get these latest tests done and rule out hemochromatosis,

and a few other things. I really wish I could go ahead and have you look at my

stuff, but the NutrEval test you consider very important is yet to be done and

will be delayed again due to these most recent tests.

> > >

> > > Personally I think when it all comes down to it, that I have a gut/liver

issue, combined with high E2 that is messing up a lot of things. Other option is

I have something really bad wrong with me, but I am not going to put myself into

that frame of m

> >

> > [The entire original message is not included]

> >

January 16, 2011

120 mgs T 60 twice weekly -been same for 4 years

2.5 grains erfa split - same for a year

25 mcgs split 12.5 BID

Stabilizes e2 is priority -why stopped HCG

Dhea TD- trying to find one to absorb, but no luck

GHRT need to find one that works if it does then gh 1 ius 5 on 2 off

Came of cortef cold turkey feel great!!

Next exploration is gut, liver and digestion with stool sample then nutra eval.

> > > >

> > > > Yea,.....I am trying to avoid looking at too much stuff anymore.

> > > > I think my docs are good, but just think differently. The 'functional

medicine' guy attempts to make everyone like a 20 year old again by attacking

every figure he sees with a med or supplement.

> > > >

> > > > I think we all know that isn't going to happen. I DO think he is about

the best I will ever find locally though. My cardiologist is also one of the

best around here, and I have confidence in him.

> > > >

> > > > Simply going to get these latest tests done and rule out

hemochromatosis, and a few other things. I really wish I could go ahead and have

you look at my stuff, but the NutrEval test you consider very important is yet

to be done and will be delayed again due to these most recent tests.

> > > >

> > > > Personally I think when it all comes down to it, that I have a

gut/liver issue, combined with high E2 that is messing up a lot of things. Other

option is I have something really bad wrong with me, but I am not going to put

myself into that frame of m

> > >

> > > [The entire original message is not included]

> > >

January 18, 2011

Well I have taken two doses at this point. I didn't expect anything this soon,

but a few things have changed and I can't think of anything else that could have

caused it.

First off I have been peeing more than normal and feel less bloated.

Second,....I usually get a red tone to my face and neck area mainly in the

evening. Always figured it was my BP going up, but the past two days I have far

less red color in my face.

Also while my night/AM wood is not quite right still, I notice a definite

increase in the length of my hanging flaccid penis. Find myself walking around

with about 4 " or more at times,......this is how my non-erect friend used to

hang.

Is all of this possible from simply E2, and this quick?

>

> If you try Arimidex keep me posted how your doing so I can help you not to go

to low.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

January 18, 2011

Yes what your seeing is what high Estradiol levels can do to you. In two days I

lost 8 lbs in water weight getting my Estradiol levels down from doing Prog.

cream. When and if you go to low your penis will go back into hiding. If you

have not read this file I made do read it copy it keep it.

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